Don't sweat it, kid. Nor listen to our old pal, grumpy tobias88. Poor guy has
still to find his place in life.
I'm not a "fanatic idiot". I teach cathequism in a very small Catholic
temple in Mexico, to a group of troubled teens. Our enviroment is very
down-to-Earth. And I like Science, too. Especially evolution theories.
It's difficult to explain to them how there's a God watching over them when they
have trouble. Especially when a loved one dies.
I'm not the best at doing it. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PREACH YOU, NOT TO TELL YOU
WHAT TO BELIEVE. I just wan to help you to NOT TO DISPAIR. And because I'm so
down-to Earth (not the best cathequist )
I'll try to do my best at talking about the afterlife (not my
especiality)
YOU HAVE FREE WILL OVER YOUR ACTS. That's how YOU decide if you're a good person
or a bad one. That's what most Christian Churches believe (Catholic, Orthodoxes,
some Evangelics, except those ramifications and sects based on calvinism). If
you believe in a God and an afterlife, bear in mind that IT IS YOU AND YOUR FREE
WILL that decides if you're saved or condemned.
But you don't decide when you born nor die. DON'T FEEL ANGER. DON'T BE AFRAID.
DON'T FEEL FRUSTATED.
We die when God wants. Why? Two opossitte reasons:
1. God fullfills all the good and happiness in the Universe. If He considres
that is time for someone to share His Grace forever, He'll call him/her to his
precense.
This happened to one of the cathequist's grand father. The old man had been an
atheist all his life. Then, he experienced illness and was close to dead. As a
non-believer, he was very afraid.
A young priest then came to the hospital and talked with him long. The oldman
received the Holly Communion and the Unction of the Ill (don't know if that's
the name in English, is the last sacrament you receive).
He painfully but miracously recovered. Then he became an activist. During three
years he organized charities, activities, and joined an apostolate. Then , it
came the time to die. But he died quiet, serene and happy. A very different man,
because the tree had already, in that short time, given its fruits.
What happen when someone dies YOUNG? The first person I ever knew dead was a
classmate during secondary school. Since then, some young friends have
died.
I don't remember well which, but one of the sapientiall books of the Bible says:
"He died young: then, glory to God! A short life lived in goodness and
rigthness equals a head full of white hairs. He was ready to go to
God!"
Even if you're not Catholic, look for a biography of Maria Goretti, a poor,
illiterate, 12 year-old italian girl that died because she refused to have sex
with her murderer and would-be raper because she wanted to receive the Holy
Coumunnion on Sunday. She was stabed 14 times and sutured without anaesthesia.
Altough all that pain, she lived enough (a couple of days) to forgive her
murderer and join a religious order. I know it requires a leap of faith, but she
appeared many times after her dead to favor many people.
She's the Holly Patroness of Youth. You can't help but to fall in love with this
girl.
2. Some evil people die young because they have done enough evil. Because
They're going to suffer being away the presence of God, He's so benevolent that
he doesn't want them to suffer more than that. Because the more sins, the more
away from His presence they are, and therefore, more the suffering.
No, I didn't smoke peyote I
read that from a private revelation done to a young nun. I'm not goin to bore
you anymore, but if you want more information about this, ask me to my own
space.
And now, the most difficult: why some evil people live long lives? No
revelations here. I've been a whitness to this, my family is a cute example.
Long lives, yes, but not happyness: only illness and inner missery. They're
cases in which God want them to repent, since is painfull to Him to lose a
child. And that repent has to be in life, because AFTER dead, you're stuck:
you're good or evil. Is their stubborness that don't let them depart from this
world. But the older, the more sick and miserable you get. Especially when
you're evil.
Many good people live long lives: those are the ones who are carrying a mission,
and it has not yet been completed. It may also be stubborness, but for a good
cause.
People getting murdered? Evil is the lack of goodness. There's a price to pay
for a murderer: even if he/she escapes man's law, there's another one:
"Thou shalt not kill" There's another passage: "You can't kill.
Only mine are the keys of life and dead, only I decide when a person lives or
dies" (there goes part of the answer to your question) Being life so sacred
to God, the punishment should be fitting.
Accidents? Part of the lack of good in the world. And God won't come down to
make you drive with both hands at the wheel, the safety belt in place and
without answering your cell phone. That's the police's job.
SORRY I BORED YOU NO WAY TO ANSWER THIS PROPERLY IN A ONE-LINER.
ALL I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU IS: TRUST. You're figthing someone who, despite being
the hand that wrote the rules of how atoms and galaxies work, cares about you.
YOUR DEAD WILL COME WHEN YOU'RE READY.
And whatever your religion is, please give your Church a chance. There ougth to
be groups of young activist (well, that's common in Mexico, I don't know in your
country). Or at least nice old people. Go with your brother. He may be the way
God is calling you.
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Oooh! DarkRosefromHell already made her choice. Good place for you! See ya
there, kid!
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babyLemon: I'm also interest in entrophy and free-radicals in the DNA, etc. but
you're missing the point of the tread. Observation and experimentation (not
logic, that's a phylosophical instrument) can tell us HOW we die. But it doesn't
answer the ultimate question of death: WHY.
Good luck with the raves of hell. Thougt they may be hot, not cool.
I feel emo... think I want to die... lol I'm joking.
I personally don't care where to go at least it's not boring. If there's an
afterlife I'd just prefer somewhere not boring.
Quote: 2. Some evil people die
young because they have done enough evil. Because They're going to suffer being
away the presence of God, He's so benevolent that he doesn't want them to suffer
more than that. Because the more sins, the more away from His presence they are,
and therefore, more the suffering.
I bet there is sooooo many exceptions to that. It's impossible to say who dies
first or not. Well... unless you shoot them or kill them
intentiionally.
I bid this thread bye bye. Not really...
Quote: Oooh! DarkRosefromHell
already made her choice. Good place for you! See ya there,
kid!
Hmm....if it's about the choices in life,we make them and God will change our
life according to our choices but if it is about death,I believe God make the
choice,I'm afraid death,I'm afraid of what lies ahead after I close my eyes,but
I know when I die,I will die peacefully because God knows when it's time we will
have to go.
I believe myself is my life, thus I make my own decision. God, I don't know
about him, and I never seen him, but there are ppl who said that they believe in
God and they know that God exists, I don't know about that area, I know I may be
wrong too, but making decision is mine and I believe that God let me choose for
myself too. He know that things I decide is my own decision and the consequences
is fully under my responsiblity. I cannot complain about it.
Yes, so I am the one who make my decision, and I may also decide my
consequences. I haven't try on that yet, but I should, shouldn't I?
All life and death about someone, already decided by God according his Own
Knowledge.
No one know unless God wants someone to know it then he know it, if Gid doesnt
want someone know something,then someone doesnt know it ,forever...
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I feel emo... think I want to die... lol I\'m joking.
personally don\'t care where to go at least it\'s not boring. If there\'s an
afterlife I\'d just prefer somewhere not boring.
I am sorry, according Quran viewing, you make your own life lost, not make
profit for your ownself
dont care? do you blame God if you are thrown into hell,considering you dont
intentionally make preparations in order to avoid His Anger Hell and comes into
Wing God"s Protection called Heaven?
No one Bore in Heaven, Forever, except its-Adding : To SEE GOD in own eyes
make Heaven Jannah people Forget All goods in heaven,until God disappear from
their views.
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I believe God make the choice,I'm afraid death,
Not make
choice but make decision everything.We free to choose between Goiod and Evil
from God.
Yes, so I am the one who make my decision, and I may also decide my
consequences. I haven\'t try on that yet, but I should, shouldn't I?
Yes,not should but must.
No one Forcing You! not even God,angels,demon,satans,other human Forcing you!
dont let them over-powered your free will to choose.
but Remember one thing.DONT FALSE TO CHOOSE.
Reject and Give up to Find God in life also someone choice already made. That
must be asked responbility ny God in Last dau.
habe you ready to encounter that,the greatest mistake you have already make in
Future.ARE YOU READY FOR CONSEQUENCE FOR IT, CONSIDERING THAT TRUE gOD IS nOT
gOD YOU CHOOSE TO pROTECT yOU IN ETERNAL fOREVER tIME IN lAST dAYS.
we all Still Have Times to Fix everything faults we already made, Let us Fill
ALL GOODS for The Rests our Life as much as we can Make - as supplies for
Forever Journey aside with God ,
before Everything is already TOO LATE!.
Only God can protect us, no one Other than Him is/are able to do it. If someone
have other God, then ask "that God" to protect them in Last days, but
in the end "that other" god reject them to protect them ,
BECAUSE,"THAT OTHER GOD" ITSELF DO NOT HAVE RIGHT and power TO BECOME
TRUE GOD AND do not have right MAKE PROCLAMATION HE IS GOD IN ALL NATURE.
atheist and agnostik,money,advancement in science also "other god" in
some ways.
the Dead Gods! indeed!
No, I am not a christian. Used to be. The only christian in my family is my
little brother. I am Shamanism.
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children who make evil things cannot be asked their responsibility.
and all "goods" what children doing belong to their parents, contrary
on this ,parents who dont teach them Religion, if their children become adult
bad guys,they are also thrown "join" together with their childs into
Hell.
You know when someone called adult rights?
Teens possible called adult if they achieve "thats" poin of
maturity.
in animals, Laws between them differ with human. in Last Judgent days, each
animal can do what other animal do evil things to animal.
This is called, qishash law. when concluded, God turn them again into earth and
peoples who dont worship Him say it :"I wish I am also animal..."
I have to say. Like you say. Everyone have choice. So do the child. They can
choice to listen to their parent or not. For example my family. There are 8
kids, not counting my half sisters and my half brothers. By the way, I have 4
mothers. One father. All 8 of us, were rasin the same way, respect elders, go to
school, Shamanism, our people, love each other, so on. In the end, each of us.
Turn out different. One turn out to be christian, one kids is dropout, one never
finish college, one finish college and got a job. One went agaisnt waht they
were taught. Respect their elders. Two got merry. One of them run off and got
merry. The other got child before she reach 18. have to merry before the child
is born. Did my parent want us to turn this way? Did my parent or anyone ask for
this?
Beside parent not always right. Sometime is the child that is right. Not the
other way around. For example my step-mother. She believe that girls shouldn't
go to school because their dutys is at home. Nothing else. I can tell my
half-sister want to learn. Whenever she over, she will grab a pencil and paper.
Try to write. Sometime just grab a book and sit beside me. Open the book and
acting like she can read. I find that kind cute.
I don't understand why you will say "in animal, Laws between them differ
with human." When we are animal ourself. I don't seem much different from
us to them. The only big difference I see Human not that bright as they claim to
be.
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Come on, you are Zarathrustra after all,arent you ?
Please dont make One of Greatest Mistake ever created by men
No, I'm not Zarathustra. I don't beleive in GOD. Please, don't ask me how we
created. To tell you the truth, I really don't care how we are created. All I
know, I here. There no prove what ever this GOD really create us or not. Is the
same whatever he/she exist or not.
Quote: Your belief that scientific research should be
trusted as fact seems to be based on: "People don't need to have absolute
knowledge in order to make logical assumptions." That is true because logic
is perceived differently by each individual. However, you fail to realize that
facts are also subject to personal perception. It is not illogical for a blind
man to refuse the existence of colors, for example. It is insensitive to think
that blind man is illogical based on the fact that we can see colors. Vice
versa. For those who perceive the world as intelligently designed, it is not
illogical for them to believe in an intelligent creator. For those who perceive
the world as progressively complex, it is not illogical for them to believe it
is the result of evolution. My point is that Science has no higher authority
that makes it more logical than religion with such bias.
You just failed to see perception... Science and a person's perception is
totally different. Science is a fact that has been proven, someone's perception
is just someone's way of seeing something, it has nothing to do with
science.
Science is formed by scientists' perception of the
world. So, no, they are indifferent. If all humans were blind, does that mean
color would not exist? No, it only means that color could not be proven with
science.
Quote by DarkRoseofHellAlso, an
assumption is a guess not something that actually
happens...
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I have to say. Like you say. Everyone have choice. So do the child. They can
choice to listen to their parent or not.
of course,children hve right to make decision what they become in future.
They can follow their prents"s path or make their own.
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I don\'t understand why you will say \"in animal, Laws between them differ
with human.\" When we are animal ourself. I don\'t seem much different from
us to them. The only big difference I see Human not that bright as they claim to
be.
you see in liking aspect called biology constitusion.
It has been proven our DNA is secret of body. but scientist only play construct
and deconstruct it,without know the meaning in it.They only
\"conquer\" law but not create own law considering is Most Imposible
to them to become God
No one wants to be called animal except something "wrong" in his minds
and self
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There no prove what ever this GOD really create us or not. Is the same whatever
he/she exist or not.
so what is the truth in shamanism more right than God in religion? ,
what makes shamanism better than God and religion ?
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Science is formed by scientists\' perception of the world. So, no, they are
indifferent. If all humans were blind, does that mean color would not exist? No,
it only means that color could not be proven with
science.
in other words, we only judge everything only based on empirical verificl sening
by our body,called \"perception rught?.
they dont believe God and religion, hence they dont have Spiritual knowledge
Model to study spiritual"s object
Quote: Science is formed by
scientists' perception of the world. So, no, they are indifferent. If all humans
were blind, does that mean color would not exist? No, it only means that color
could not be proven with science.
So... if you literally can't feel anything, then does that mean there's nothing
around you? If you can't sense that gravity is doing it's toll, then does it
mean there's no gravity?
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you see in liking aspect called biology constitusion.
It has been proven our DNA is secret of body. but scientist only play construct
and deconstruct it,without know the meaning in it.They only
\"conquer\" law but not create own law considering is Most Imposible
to them to become God
No one wants to be called animal except something "wrong" in his minds
and self
Laws are made because of matters around us, if no matter was to exist, that
doesn't mean the law wouldn't still be existing. Also, since scientists have
found ways to create anti-matter and matter, thus they can create these
"laws".
Quote by risingcrescent
you see in liking aspect called biology constitusion.
It has been proven our DNA is secret of body. but scientist only play construct
and deconstruct it,without know the meaning in it.They only
\"conquer\" law but not create own law considering is Most Imposible
to them to become God
No one wants to be called animal except something "wrong" in his minds
and self
Their nothing wrong be called animal. I think is the other way around. you make
sound as all animal are evil and bad. To be correct wild. (hehehe sorry..I have
to say this...whenever you or anyone mention or say the word scientist or
biology or anything around there. My mind goes blink. Let just say science is
not my thing).
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There no prove what ever this GOD really create us or not. Is the same whatever
he/she exist or not.
so what is the truth in shamanism more right than God in religion? ,
what makes shamanism better than God and religion ?
Do you know what shamanism? Is not a GOD or anything like that. Is spirt of the
dead. We do not wordship them. We respect the dead and pray them. To look over
us. They not just any spirt or ghost. They are your own people. Your father,
your sister, your mother, your grandparents, so on. I never say shamanism better
than God. I just say that I don't beleive GOD. I will answer the quesiton any
way. True, there is no prove whatever my relative (or family member) is looking
over us or not. I believe in shamanism is the same reason as you believe your
GOD/religion.
i think that man make the choices most of the time
while the god give us the consequences of our choices or actions
because every action has its own consequence
that's what i think
if god makes the choices everytime then the world will be picture perfect and
there won't be any bad guys in this world
and why are terrorists out in the world
well maybe it is because that they, the terrorists are afraid of the weapons in
america or that they are angry that america have control over almost everything
so as to not let themselves suffer from poverty they try to attack america so as
to make the americans knew that they are suffering while they [the americans]
are enjoying themselves
so that's why i think that man are the ones who are making the decisions all the
time !
one example is the place we are living in the earth we are destroying the earth
much faster than god can help repair it
so i think that man are making so many decisions and at such a fast rate that
god can't intervent to make the correct decisions
so the god will have no choice but to show us the consequences to our own
decisions and actions
so as to make us learn from our mistakes.
the only problem lies on whether man take the warning or learn or not
ya i think that man are making all the decisions except for how long they are
going to live
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Laws are made because of matters around us, if no matter was to exist, that
doesn\'t mean the law wouldn\'t still be existing. Also, since scientists have
found ways to create anti-matter and matter, thus they can create these
\"laws\".
I\'m emo.... /wrist (not really)
that doesnt create, but conquer law
the only possible they can create their own law. IF THEY CAN CREATE FROM
NOTHING,OF COURSE THEY MUST BECOME GOD FIRSTLY TO DO THAT OR THEY CANNOT BE
CALLED AS GOD IF ONLY THEY ONLY HAVE POWER CREATION ,borrow fron their god even
they reject Him...
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Their nothing wrong be called animal. I think is the other way around. you make
sound as all animal are evil and bad. To be correct wild. (hehehe sorry..I have
to say this...whenever you or anyone mention or say the word scientist or
biology or anything around there. My mind goes blink. Let just say science is
not my thing).
i didnt mean that.
maybe you muss understand me.
but human who have animals"s personality-acting&minds,also
WILD,...right?
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I believe in shamanism is the same reason as you believe your
GOD/religion.
i dont think i have "same reason" with you.
to prove it, are all my replies... they are not faith only ...
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one example is the place we are living in the earth we are destroying the earth
much faster than god can help repair it
so i think that man are making so many decisions and at such a fast rate that
god ca\'t intervent to make the correct decisions
Human have power to save or destroy earth, because they have representative
right and knowledge from God.
But they abuse it...
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so the god will have no choice but to show us the consequences to our own
decisions and actions
so as to make us learn from our mistakes.
destructions already showed around world...
then God give part disasters for human because of it, so they can aware what
they have make mistakes....
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Their nothing wrong be called animal. I think is the other way around. you make
sound as all animal are evil and bad. To be correct wild. (hehehe sorry..I have
to say this...whenever you or anyone mention or say the word scientist or
biology or anything around there. My mind goes blink. Let just say science is
not my thing).
i didnt mean that.
maybe you muss understand me.
but human who have animals"s personality-acting&minds,also
WILD,...right?
Sorry about that. I don't know what happen to me yesterday. If I sound rude,
forgive me I guess you also right here.
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I believe in shamanism is the same reason as you believe your
GOD/religion.
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i dont think i have "same reason" with you.
to prove it, are all my replies... they are not faith only ...
True, I not very good with express my feeling or thoughts. This is the close I
can get. You right, they not the same reason. In somewhat thier are. It will
take me forever to defin smillar and difference between our belif.
Well, for me, God has the final word. That not mean that if I got too sick I
will not fight, since is God who has the final word, not me, my doctors, my
family, etc.
I have seen miracles, when God gives someone more time to live. But until Jesus
came back to the earth, all of us are going to die. And if someone think that by
fighting God is going to extend his or her lifetime, well... I think that that
someone is not going to enjoy his/her final days.
All is destiny....if you look for danger and exposse you life you are the one
who decide. but if it happen as an accident is because we live in a world where
we all are humans and we can die in any moment. Danger is every where, and the
only thing that save us is to be in contact with God and place our lives on his
hands.
Man, GOD OR NOT, people who think that THEY MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHEN THEY DIE...
what can I say? They migth be a bit out of reality. Unless the 90% of people in
MT are suicidal.
Quote by DarkRoseofHellI feel
emo... think I want to die... lol I'm joking.
I personally don't care where to go at least it's not boring. If there's an
afterlife I'd just prefer somewhere not boring.
Quote: 2. Some evil people die
young because they have done enough evil. Because They're going to suffer being
away the presence of God, He's so benevolent that he doesn't want them to suffer
more than that. Because the more sins, the more away from His presence they are,
and therefore, more the suffering.
I bet there is sooooo many exceptions to that. It's impossible to say who dies
first or not. Well... unless you shoot them or kill them
intentiionally.
I bid this thread bye bye. Not really...
Quote: Oooh! DarkRosefromHell
already made her choice. Good place for you! See ya there,
kid!
Weue ira seruune, ira heru neas. Ira je sune huo.
Hi Kid. Nice to read from you.
Who told you Heaven has to be boring. Of course, all the interesting people go
to Hell... Ok, you want to sit next to Hitler, Caligula, Stalin, Napoleon,
Torquemada or Richelieu? But you can bet that if there's Hell, there are more
mediocre than exciting people. Think in your pervert neighbour. Or teacher. Or
the son of a ----- that cheated on you.
No, there are noooooooooot many exceptions to that. As I said, if there's a God,
he can say who has done enough damage to comdemn his/her soul more deeply. And
if an evil person lives long, migth be because he/she has a chance to redeem.
remenber that part of the game for the believers, is that God is merciful. If
you can be merciful, an hipotetical God can be more. By the rules of the
"game".
Ma' ti nati katan. Koox! (That's mayan: means "I don't understant your
lenguage")
See you
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Quote by aries12All is destiny....if you
look for danger and exposse you life you are the one who decide. but if it
happen as an accident is because we live in a world where we all are humans and
we can die in any moment. Danger is every where, and the only thing that save us
is to be in contact with God and place our lives on his
hands.
Good one. Who lives in danger, dies in danger. And accidents do happen. Placing
your life in His hands is very faithfull, and the best thing to do for the
believer (that probes you truly believe)... But not bet everything on destiny.
Where's your will? God chooses when you die. But he respects your free will and
the life you lead. And that counts on something.
I truly apologize if in your Church or beliefs is basic the idea that God
chooses who is saved or not... but give a try to the free will way.
Definitely us. See, the higher powers gave us abilities and reasoning and free
will and the ability to make choices, etc. Its up to us to live life as best as
we can, to be and do good. (lol, or at least, NOT to be or do harm.) Whatever
religion exists, their main goal is always to teach us to live well, in a good
life and lifestyle. We are given guidelines, moral codes, principles; we have to
develop that in ourselves. I don't usually go into details, but that is the
basic understanding. *embarrassed to have rambled*
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Definitely us. See, the higher powers gave us abilities and reasoning and free
will and the ability to make choices, etc. Its up to us to live life as best as
we can, to be and do good. (lol, or at least, NOT to be or do harm.) Whatever
religion exists, their main goal is always to teach us to live well, in a good
life and lifestyle. We are given guidelines, moral codes, principles; we have to
develop that in ourselves. I don\'t usually go into details, but that is the
basic understanding. *embarrassed to have rambled*
reasoning. the power to distinct things developed into diversity.
but the lacks is : world"s viewing become broken into pieces.
without God and Liking. it is imposible to reconstruct them again into unity...
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Definitely us. See, the higher powers gave us abilities and reasoning and free
will and the ability to make choices, etc. Its up to us to live life as best as
we can, to be and do good. (lol, or at least, NOT to be or do harm.) Whatever
religion exists, their main goal is always to teach us to live well, in a good
life and lifestyle. We are given guidelines, moral codes, principles; we have to
develop that in ourselves. I don\'t usually go into details, but that is the
basic understanding. *embarrassed to have rambled*
reasoning. the power to distinct things developed into diversity.
but the lacks is : world"s viewing become broken into pieces.
without God and Liking. it is imposible to reconstruct them again into
unity...
I not sure what you meant. I have to agree with risingcrescent. Nothing is
impossible. I able to get this far without him. To be correct that he/she exits.
So far not so bad. There some up and downs. That what you call life.
Dear kayo04:
Don't sweat it, kid. Nor listen to our old pal, grumpy tobias88. Poor guy has still to find his place in life.
I'm not a "fanatic idiot". I teach cathequism in a very small Catholic temple in Mexico, to a group of troubled teens. Our enviroment is very down-to-Earth. And I like Science, too. Especially evolution theories.
It's difficult to explain to them how there's a God watching over them when they have trouble. Especially when a loved one dies.
I'm not the best at doing it. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PREACH YOU, NOT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO BELIEVE. I just wan to help you to NOT TO DISPAIR. And because I'm so down-to Earth (not the best cathequist
)
I'll try to do my best at talking about the afterlife (not my
especiality)
YOU HAVE FREE WILL OVER YOUR ACTS. That's how YOU decide if you're a good person or a bad one. That's what most Christian Churches believe (Catholic, Orthodoxes, some Evangelics, except those ramifications and sects based on calvinism). If you believe in a God and an afterlife, bear in mind that IT IS YOU AND YOUR FREE WILL that decides if you're saved or condemned.
But you don't decide when you born nor die. DON'T FEEL ANGER. DON'T BE AFRAID. DON'T FEEL FRUSTATED.
We die when God wants. Why? Two opossitte reasons:
1. God fullfills all the good and happiness in the Universe. If He considres that is time for someone to share His Grace forever, He'll call him/her to his precense.
This happened to one of the cathequist's grand father. The old man had been an atheist all his life. Then, he experienced illness and was close to dead. As a non-believer, he was very afraid.
A young priest then came to the hospital and talked with him long. The oldman received the Holly Communion and the Unction of the Ill (don't know if that's the name in English, is the last sacrament you receive).
He painfully but miracously recovered. Then he became an activist. During three years he organized charities, activities, and joined an apostolate. Then , it came the time to die. But he died quiet, serene and happy. A very different man, because the tree had already, in that short time, given its fruits.
What happen when someone dies YOUNG? The first person I ever knew dead was a classmate during secondary school. Since then, some young friends have died.
I don't remember well which, but one of the sapientiall books of the Bible says: "He died young: then, glory to God! A short life lived in goodness and rigthness equals a head full of white hairs. He was ready to go to God!"
Even if you're not Catholic, look for a biography of Maria Goretti, a poor, illiterate, 12 year-old italian girl that died because she refused to have sex with her murderer and would-be raper because she wanted to receive the Holy Coumunnion on Sunday. She was stabed 14 times and sutured without anaesthesia.
Altough all that pain, she lived enough (a couple of days) to forgive her murderer and join a religious order. I know it requires a leap of faith, but she appeared many times after her dead to favor many people.
She's the Holly Patroness of Youth. You can't help but to fall in love with this girl.
2. Some evil people die young because they have done enough evil. Because They're going to suffer being away the presence of God, He's so benevolent that he doesn't want them to suffer more than that. Because the more sins, the more away from His presence they are, and therefore, more the suffering.
No, I didn't smoke peyote
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read that from a private revelation done to a young nun. I'm not goin to bore
you anymore, but if you want more information about this, ask me to my own
space.
And now, the most difficult: why some evil people live long lives? No revelations here. I've been a whitness to this, my family is a cute example.
Long lives, yes, but not happyness: only illness and inner missery. They're cases in which God want them to repent, since is painfull to Him to lose a child. And that repent has to be in life, because AFTER dead, you're stuck: you're good or evil. Is their stubborness that don't let them depart from this world. But the older, the more sick and miserable you get. Especially when you're evil.
Many good people live long lives: those are the ones who are carrying a mission, and it has not yet been completed. It may also be stubborness, but for a good cause.
People getting murdered? Evil is the lack of goodness. There's a price to pay for a murderer: even if he/she escapes man's law, there's another one: "Thou shalt not kill" There's another passage: "You can't kill. Only mine are the keys of life and dead, only I decide when a person lives or dies" (there goes part of the answer to your question) Being life so sacred to God, the punishment should be fitting.
Accidents? Part of the lack of good in the world. And God won't come down to make you drive with both hands at the wheel, the safety belt in place and without answering your cell phone. That's the police's job.
SORRY I BORED YOU NO WAY TO ANSWER THIS PROPERLY IN A ONE-LINER.
ALL I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU IS: TRUST. You're figthing someone who, despite being the hand that wrote the rules of how atoms and galaxies work, cares about you. YOUR DEAD WILL COME WHEN YOU'RE READY.
And whatever your religion is, please give your Church a chance. There ougth to be groups of young activist (well, that's common in Mexico, I don't know in your country). Or at least nice old people. Go with your brother. He may be the way God is calling you.
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Oooh! DarkRosefromHell already made her choice. Good place for you! See ya there, kid!
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babyLemon: I'm also interest in entrophy and free-radicals in the DNA, etc. but you're missing the point of the tread. Observation and experimentation (not logic, that's a phylosophical instrument) can tell us HOW we die. But it doesn't answer the ultimate question of death: WHY.
Good luck with the raves of hell. Thougt they may be hot, not cool.
I feel emo... think I want to die... lol I'm joking.
I personally don't care where to go at least it's not boring. If there's an afterlife I'd just prefer somewhere not boring.
I bet there is sooooo many exceptions to that. It's impossible to say who dies first or not. Well... unless you shoot them or kill them intentiionally.
I bid this thread bye bye. Not really...
Weue ira seruune, ira heru neas. Ira je sune huo.
I think you make the choice, and not god. Because you are the one who has CHOSEN the religion!
Hmm....if it's about the choices in life,we make them and God will change our life according to our choices but if it is about death,I believe God make the choice,I'm afraid death,I'm afraid of what lies ahead after I close my eyes,but I know when I die,I will die peacefully because God knows when it's time we will have to go.
I believe myself is my life, thus I make my own decision. God, I don't know about him, and I never seen him, but there are ppl who said that they believe in God and they know that God exists, I don't know about that area, I know I may be wrong too, but making decision is mine and I believe that God let me choose for myself too. He know that things I decide is my own decision and the consequences is fully under my responsiblity. I cannot complain about it.
Yes, so I am the one who make my decision, and I may also decide my consequences. I haven't try on that yet, but I should, shouldn't I?
there is no human\"s reason interfere.
All life and death about someone, already decided by God according his Own Knowledge.
No one know unless God wants someone to know it then he know it, if Gid doesnt want someone know something,then someone doesnt know it ,forever...
I am sorry, according Quran viewing, you make your own life lost, not make profit for your ownself
dont care? do you blame God if you are thrown into hell,considering you dont intentionally make preparations in order to avoid His Anger Hell and comes into Wing God"s Protection called Heaven?
No one Bore in Heaven, Forever, except its-Adding : To SEE GOD in own eyes
make Heaven Jannah people Forget All goods in heaven,until God disappear from their views.
Not make choice but make decision everything.We free to choose between Goiod and Evil from God.
Yes, so I am the one who make my decision, and I may also decide my consequences. I haven\'t try on that yet, but I should, shouldn't I?
Yes,not should but must.
No one Forcing You! not even God,angels,demon,satans,other human Forcing you!
dont let them over-powered your free will to choose.
but Remember one thing.DONT FALSE TO CHOOSE.
Reject and Give up to Find God in life also someone choice already made. That must be asked responbility ny God in Last dau.
habe you ready to encounter that,the greatest mistake you have already make in Future.ARE YOU READY FOR CONSEQUENCE FOR IT, CONSIDERING THAT TRUE gOD IS nOT gOD YOU CHOOSE TO pROTECT yOU IN ETERNAL fOREVER tIME IN lAST dAYS.
we all Still Have Times to Fix everything faults we already made, Let us Fill ALL GOODS for The Rests our Life as much as we can Make - as supplies for Forever Journey aside with God
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before Everything is already TOO LATE!.
Only God can protect us, no one Other than Him is/are able to do it. If someone have other God, then ask "that God" to protect them in Last days, but in the end "that other" god reject them to protect them ,
BECAUSE,"THAT OTHER GOD" ITSELF DO NOT HAVE RIGHT and power TO BECOME TRUE GOD AND do not have right MAKE PROCLAMATION HE IS GOD IN ALL NATURE.
atheist and agnostik,money,advancement in science also "other god" in some ways.
the Dead Gods! indeed!
Choice and decisions are the same thing...
You seriously are trying to convert people... anyways...
You seriously have issues with life if you think god is always there to help.
No, I am not a christian. Used to be. The only christian in my family is my little brother. I am Shamanism.
I have to say. Like you say. Everyone have choice. So do the child. They can choice to listen to their parent or not. For example my family. There are 8 kids, not counting my half sisters and my half brothers. By the way, I have 4 mothers. One father. All 8 of us, were rasin the same way, respect elders, go to school, Shamanism, our people, love each other, so on. In the end, each of us. Turn out different. One turn out to be christian, one kids is dropout, one never finish college, one finish college and got a job. One went agaisnt waht they were taught. Respect their elders. Two got merry. One of them run off and got merry. The other got child before she reach 18. have to merry before the child is born. Did my parent want us to turn this way? Did my parent or anyone ask for this?
Beside parent not always right. Sometime is the child that is right. Not the other way around. For example my step-mother. She believe that girls shouldn't go to school because their dutys is at home. Nothing else. I can tell my half-sister want to learn. Whenever she over, she will grab a pencil and paper. Try to write. Sometime just grab a book and sit beside me. Open the book and acting like she can read. I find that kind cute.
I don't understand why you will say "in animal, Laws between them differ with human." When we are animal ourself. I don't seem much different from us to them. The only big difference I see Human not that bright as they claim to be.
No, I'm not Zarathustra. I don't beleive in GOD. Please, don't ask me how we created. To tell you the truth, I really don't care how we are created. All I know, I here. There no prove what ever this GOD really create us or not. Is the same whatever he/she exist or not.
All is relative as always has been... =D
Science is formed by scientists' perception of the world. So, no, they are indifferent. If all humans were blind, does that mean color would not exist? No, it only means that color could not be proven with science.
My point exactly.
of course,children hve right to make decision what they become in future.
They can follow their prents"s path or make their own.
you see in liking aspect called biology constitusion.
It has been proven our DNA is secret of body. but scientist only play construct and deconstruct it,without know the meaning in it.They only \"conquer\" law but not create own law considering is Most Imposible to them to become God
No one wants to be called animal except something "wrong" in his minds and self
so what is the truth in shamanism more right than God in religion? ,
what makes shamanism better than God and religion ?
in other words, we only judge everything only based on empirical verificl sening by our body,called \"perception rught?.
they dont believe God and religion, hence they dont have Spiritual knowledge Model to study spiritual"s object
So... if you literally can't feel anything, then does that mean there's nothing around you? If you can't sense that gravity is doing it's toll, then does it mean there's no gravity?
Laws are made because of matters around us, if no matter was to exist, that doesn't mean the law wouldn't still be existing. Also, since scientists have found ways to create anti-matter and matter, thus they can create these "laws".
I'm emo.... /wrist (not really)
Their nothing wrong be called animal. I think is the other way around. you make sound as all animal are evil and bad. To be correct wild. (hehehe sorry..I have to say this...whenever you or anyone mention or say the word scientist or biology or anything around there. My mind goes blink. Let just say science is not my thing).
Do you know what shamanism? Is not a GOD or anything like that. Is spirt of the dead. We do not wordship them. We respect the dead and pray them. To look over us. They not just any spirt or ghost. They are your own people. Your father, your sister, your mother, your grandparents, so on. I never say shamanism better than God. I just say that I don't beleive GOD. I will answer the quesiton any way. True, there is no prove whatever my relative (or family member) is looking over us or not. I believe in shamanism is the same reason as you believe your GOD/religion.
i think that man make the choices most of the time
while the god give us the consequences of our choices or actions
because every action has its own consequence
that's what i think
if god makes the choices everytime then the world will be picture perfect and there won't be any bad guys in this world
and why are terrorists out in the world
well maybe it is because that they, the terrorists are afraid of the weapons in america or that they are angry that america have control over almost everything so as to not let themselves suffer from poverty they try to attack america so as to make the americans knew that they are suffering while they [the americans] are enjoying themselves
so that's why i think that man are the ones who are making the decisions all the time !
one example is the place we are living in the earth we are destroying the earth much faster than god can help repair it
so i think that man are making so many decisions and at such a fast rate that god can't intervent to make the correct decisions
so the god will have no choice but to show us the consequences to our own decisions and actions
so as to make us learn from our mistakes.
the only problem lies on whether man take the warning or learn or not
ya i think that man are making all the decisions except for how long they are going to live
that doesnt create, but conquer law
the only possible they can create their own law. IF THEY CAN CREATE FROM NOTHING,OF COURSE THEY MUST BECOME GOD FIRSTLY TO DO THAT OR THEY CANNOT BE CALLED AS GOD IF ONLY THEY ONLY HAVE POWER CREATION ,borrow fron their god even they reject Him...
i didnt mean that.
maybe you muss understand me.
but human who have animals"s personality-acting&minds,also WILD,...right?
i dont think i have "same reason" with you.
to prove it, are all my replies... they are not faith only ...
Human have power to save or destroy earth, because they have representative right and knowledge from God.
But they abuse it...
destructions already showed around world...
then God give part disasters for human because of it, so they can aware what they have make mistakes....
Sorry about that. I don't know what happen to me yesterday. If I sound rude, forgive me
I guess you also right here.
True, I not very good with express my feeling or thoughts. This is the close I can get. You right, they not the same reason. In somewhat thier are. It will take me forever to defin smillar and difference between our belif.
Well, for me, God has the final word. That not mean that if I got too sick I will not fight, since is God who has the final word, not me, my doctors, my family, etc.
I have seen miracles, when God gives someone more time to live. But until Jesus came back to the earth, all of us are going to die. And if someone think that by fighting God is going to extend his or her lifetime, well... I think that that someone is not going to enjoy his/her final days.
I think we are the ones who make the choice, what happens in life is based on what you do.
All is destiny....if you look for danger and exposse you life you are the one who decide. but if it happen as an accident is because we live in a world where we all are humans and we can die in any moment. Danger is every where, and the only thing that save us is to be in contact with God and place our lives on his hands.
Man, GOD OR NOT, people who think that THEY MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHEN THEY DIE... what can I say? They migth be a bit out of reality. Unless the 90% of people in MT are suicidal.
Hi Kid. Nice to read from you.
Who told you Heaven has to be boring. Of course, all the interesting people go to Hell... Ok, you want to sit next to Hitler, Caligula, Stalin, Napoleon, Torquemada or Richelieu? But you can bet that if there's Hell, there are more mediocre than exciting people. Think in your pervert neighbour. Or teacher. Or the son of a ----- that cheated on you.
No, there are noooooooooot many exceptions to that. As I said, if there's a God, he can say who has done enough damage to comdemn his/her soul more deeply. And if an evil person lives long, migth be because he/she has a chance to redeem. remenber that part of the game for the believers, is that God is merciful. If you can be merciful, an hipotetical God can be more. By the rules of the "game".
Ma' ti nati katan. Koox! (That's mayan: means "I don't understant your lenguage")
See you
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Good one. Who lives in danger, dies in danger. And accidents do happen. Placing your life in His hands is very faithfull, and the best thing to do for the believer (that probes you truly believe)... But not bet everything on destiny. Where's your will? God chooses when you die. But he respects your free will and the life you lead. And that counts on something.
I truly apologize if in your Church or beliefs is basic the idea that God chooses who is saved or not... but give a try to the free will way.
Definitely us. See, the higher powers gave us abilities and reasoning and free will and the ability to make choices, etc. Its up to us to live life as best as we can, to be and do good. (lol, or at least, NOT to be or do harm.) Whatever religion exists, their main goal is always to teach us to live well, in a good life and lifestyle. We are given guidelines, moral codes, principles; we have to develop that in ourselves. I don't usually go into details, but that is the basic understanding. *embarrassed to have rambled*
reasoning. the power to distinct things developed into diversity.
but the lacks is : world"s viewing become broken into pieces.
without God and Liking. it is imposible to reconstruct them again into unity...
I not sure what you meant. I have to agree with risingcrescent. Nothing is impossible. I able to get this far without him. To be correct that he/she exits. So far not so bad. There some up and downs. That what you call life.
God give us many choices in our life but it is up to us to make the decisions based on God's will.