Well, I would say that gay marriage defies the cycle of nature. If you take a look around in nature, no living being has ever have the same sex intercourse. Animals or trees. I think marriage purpose nowadays has been blurred. From my perspective, a marriage is a legal system for humans to reproduct and preserving their race. If gay marriage is legal, then how will humans preserve their own race for same sex intercourse can't grant a birth of child. Of course there is cloning, but yet it is still a controversy and it's not perfect.

Super-anime-fan:
I wasn't talking about what if THAY did THAT first . . . . I was talking about now and about how things have already turned out. But ok lets pretend that gay marriage would be legal from the beginning and hetero people would be hunted killed and tortured and now in our time still taken as freaks and sinners (like homosexuals ware and are).
Would you really like that!
I mean you talk about bible and god and all those things but I remember one thing from Sunday school that will always stay with me. That you must respect everyone equally. And that you shouldn't do things to others that you don't want to be done to you.
And I know slavery is still happening in the world and we all know that it is a horrible crime ageinst the basic human right of freedom. But isn't to deny some ones right to love whomever they love also a crime ageinst freedom, the freedom to love and with it to live.

I'm really happy that the majority here it for gay/lesbian marriages to be legalized.
:)

I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEGAL BECUASE IT IS UP TO OURSELVES WHOM WE WANT TO MARRY OR NOT, EVEN IF THEY ARE GAY,LESBIAN WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE.

Quote: Well, I would say that gay marriage defies the cycle of nature. If you take a look around in nature, no living being has ever have the same sex intercourse. Animals or trees. I think marriage purpose nowadays has been blurred. From my perspective, a marriage is a legal system for humans to reproduct and preserving their race.

first, with regards to the assumption that

Quote: no living being has ever have the same sex intercourse

: Some animals have exhibited homosexual behavior. Penguins, American bisons, sheep and a certain species of chimpanzee are some of the animals that science has deemed to engage in same-sex intercourse. read: wiki article Kinsey institute article

Next,

Quote: I think marriage purpose nowadays has been blurred. From my perspective, a marriage is a legal system for humans to reproduce and preserving their race

I agree. the purpose of marriage has indeed been been blurred. Marriage is a civil contract and as many historians will tell you, it is basically an economic institution. People entered marriage and the government regulated marriages for the purpose of regulating economy. Marriage is certainly not a prerequisite for reproduction. Unmarried persons can procreate just as well as married persons.

Finally,

Quote: If gay marriage is legal, then how will humans preserve their own race for same sex intercourse can't grant a birth of child. Of course there is cloning, but yet it is still a controversy and it's not perfect.

There are more than one way to procreate and it doesn't require cloning. artificial insemination is just one of the ways in which a same-sex couple can bring a child into the world. As a side note, what is this hang-up with procreating. It is not as if we are facing imminent extinction due to the lack of children being born. We're actually becoming over-crowded as it is. There are thousand of children waiting to be adopted.

But to answer the question of whether or not I believe that homosexual marriage should be legal everywhere I will have to say that I DO NOT believe that homosexual marriage should be legal EVERYWHERE. I believe that gay couples should be allowed civil marriages and that they are to be accorded the same rights as heterosexual couples. But to use the term 'everywhere' is too much of an absolute. We cannot force countries whose prevalent moral framework is against homosexuality to legalize homosexual marriage because the law is a reflection of a peoples' morality.

of course not, it's abnormal, and what life would be if gay community everywhere?

Gay marriage should be allowed everywhere. Why should the straight community be so uptight about it? For one it has nothing to do with them, so why should they feel they have the right to stop people from marrying who they want? This is infact denying people of their freedom. And even if there is a gay community, whats it to you? they're just trying to live their lives. By the way, sexual preference is given at birth so you dont have to worry about your children or theirs because they'll have already made up their minds. So homophobes should just lay off the gay community.

gay marriage should NOT be legal, think about it, if this trend became legal & a lot of people got into it the real reason for marriages will be destroyd & that is giving birth to generations of people. also human beings are supposed to be two genders man & woman they are supposed to live with each other raising a healthy normal child.....its all about balance you cant have two daddys or two mommys.

we were created to be normal human beings. we cant eat through our noses nor breath from our hands.....its logical & every gay or lesbian should go to a doctor or something to heal themselves, its some kind of a personality disorder. its a desease

Quote by shadowfox6gay marriage should NOT be legal, think about it, if this trend became legal & a lot of people got into it the real reason for marriages will be destroyd & that is giving birth to generations of people. also human beings are supposed to be two genders man & woman they are supposed to live with each other raising a healthy normal child.....its all about balance you cant have two daddys or two mommys.

we were created to be normal human beings. we cant eat through our noses nor breath from our hands.....its logical & every gay or lesbian should go to a doctor or something to heal themselves, its some kind of a personality disorder. its a desease

Show me the Scientific evidence that it is unnatural, show me credible organizations that have deemed it too be so because the APA(American Psychological Association) the leading group of Mental Health experts in the United States have deemed Homosexuality to be natural, and not a disorder.

Do you know what a personality disorder is? I don't think so, but i would... i have two Psychologists as parents, and i know for a fact that homosexuality is logically not a Disorder.

10% of all species in the world are homosexual, it's natural, this is a fact.

Shinsengumi89

In that case, anything that occurs can be deemed as 'natural.' Obviously, that's not how we distinguish between 'natural' and 'unnatural.' In psychology, homosexuality was considered to be a mental disease until relatively recently.. most likely due to movements against this idea. And why ask what a personality disorder is? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you wish to use logic, then why would anyone consider behavior that hinders the propogation of the species as something acceptable? As it is, the idea of 'love' is being romanticized to extremes.. and love is being mistaken for lust....

The definition of love....

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Love

also again it was thirty years ago the APA approved this, it was hundreds of years the romans approved this and it was many, many, years ago the Europeans started too approve of this, and on top of this South Africa has approved Gay marriage.

more and more scientific studies come out every day(just like an article that was posted in Philadelphia's major newspaper the Philadelphia Inquirer).

And the fact is it will happen(that being progress), homosexuals shall have rights. It would be discrimination to out law homosexual marriage, remember the line "all men are created equal?"

Well it will become legal because we in this nation(The United States) will eventually come too this conclusion, as we always do even though we drag the skeptics, and the racists kicking and screaming with us, that conclusion being , Discrimination is wrong, it is illegal, and it threatens the foundation of the country. It may take 50 years it may take 500 years but it will happen.

"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free." Clarence Darrow

Shinsengumi89- A heterosexual

People love who they love there's no getting around that. I don't care if you're a guy or a girl... you should marry whom ever makes you happy. Personally I don't ever wanna marry, anyone... ever. But if that's your thing then go with it.

Quote by AlistarePeople love who they love there's no getting around that. I don't care if you're a guy or a girl... you should marry whom ever makes you happy. Personally I don't ever wanna marry, anyone... ever. But if that's your thing then go with it.

I completely agree, there's no getting around with love, and I can't see anything wrong with it.

Err well... gay marriages ARE legal in certain countries, you know.
But I think... well, it should be kept discreet instead of being public. You know, it kinda defies against the nature of Earth. I mean, what happened to the word of NORMAL?

Well at least you think it should be legal, but it is "normal" to them, "normal" is highly subjective, "normal" to me is not 'normal" to you.

it should be legal everywhere in the world

I believe that gay marriage shouldn't be legal EVERYWHERE. There'll always be people who'll go against it, but there's places where these people are less abundant. Legalising gay mariage in a country where most people go against this would be totally stupid.

Quote by NedelI believe that gay marriage shouldn't be legal EVERYWHERE. There'll always be people who'll go against it, but there's places where these people are less abundant. Legalising gay mariage in a country where most people go against this would be totally stupid.

i agree, it should be legal in a more gay populated state or town, than making the whole country like that, but it would be great if the whole country was like that.

As long as they keep it behind closed doors and blinds I couldn't are less. I mean it's a persons right to choose.

love knows no boundaries neither has sense of dicrimination among gender......
whoever has the guts to take on a relationship with a heart filled with love and due respect for the other person is according to me , is surely eligible for being a life partner then how and why should it matter that whether those two people in the relationship is of same sex or other.........
there is a very common law in many countries that while adopting a child and that too if the person intend to be a single parent then the procedure gets smooth the child to be adopted is of same sex......... and sometimes it becomes mandatory........WHY?
IN CASE OF SIBLINGS two brothers or two sisters are seen to be more enjoying and joyful atleast till their maturity age after that ofcourse siblings irrespective of their sex behave alike............... WHY?
people tend to make friends with people of their same sex or else they believe it gets less problamatic to socialise with friends of same sex........ WHY?
even when the situation in the above cases are other way round .... then also their arises no problems.......... everything moves on smooothly
so when we dont bother to raise a question on these things then why ONE GETS SO HYPER ON THE VERY FEELING OF TWO PEOPLE WITH SAME SEX IN A RELATIONSHIP...............................(...) whts abnormal is the mindset of the society which calls the love between people of same sex a LUST and the affection between them mere OBCEINITY
Just wanna say that time to change its a couragious, brave and love fiilled step of a few people who walk into such relationship with no amount of wordly fear................ WHERE THERE IS THERE OFCOURSE LIES A DIFFERENCE AND THIS WAY WAY TOO FAR TO BE AKNOWLEGED

Although I'm not sure if I've already posted in this thread, I'll post (again?) anyways. If heterosexual marriages should be legal, so should homosexual ones. Otherwise it's just discriminatory for no good reason. If the point of marriage is to increase the population, heterosexuals who cannot have children or who are not going to have children should be prevented from marrying. Another example of this type of flawed logic is in shad0wblitz's post, which says that homosexuality hinders the increase in the human population. Well, there's already more than six billion people on Earth, so, if anything, we have to worry about overpopulation, not underpopulation. And even if we, for some reason, had to worry about underpopulation, homosexuality wouldn't really affect the growth or decrease in population, except that fewer homosexuals would be depressed and suicidal if they were accepted as being equal to heterosexuals. It's not like homosexuals are going to have children through "natural" means anyways, so allowing them to marry won't somehow magically decrease the population.

I am against gay marriages & it should not be legal...please, for those calling it *normal*...its not & no you dont have sex with people because you love them, this is not right....then you can have sex with your parents , siblings , friends no matter what gender coz you love them....love has many faces, it doesnt need to end everything with sex unless you are sick & need help.

Again the definition(s) of love,

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Love

And your right love dosen't have to end with sex but for all of human history it has(in the majority of human cases it would be considered normal to have sex, past or present), so unles you want to change a few hundred thousand years of tradition and evolution, then go ahead with me, i'd like to see you try. and who ever said all homosexauls have sex?

sex has nothing to do with marriage you can be married and not have sex IT IS POSSIBLE,

In my country the goverment is totally against it! I don't agree with their policy but the society isn't better so I would really like to see some changes.

i see no problem in allowing homo marriage - here's why:

1. 'marriage' has been established to protect-by-law the sexual union between the given 2 (or more than 2 ) - breaching it is adultery - also to make a wealth union and to protect the children's right to this wealth - children that may be either priorly existing, or resulting from this sex union, or adopted.
2. as long as the 2 (or more than 2 ) are consenting adults, they are legally responsible.
3. they may have children of their own - if not of both of them, then of either of them, if they're given custody - or they may adopt an 'unallocated' child, by law.
4. i reckon the adultery law would still apply to that union also - if there is such a law in the given state - so beware, adultery may be hetero if the marriage is homo
5. and they may get divorced, by law, with the subsequent wealth-split a.s.o.

all the above make the law for a hetero marriage, but they are perfectly valid for a homo marriage also

an advantage: a homo marriage is much less likely to produce kids ;;), which is good, because the boat is already overpopulated (we're no'one's prey )

let them marry, that's my view. if they're both adult humans, why not ?

i wonder if the no-marriage-with-close-relatives law would still apply - if they can't mix chromosomes, why can't they marry ? that would give a whole new meaning to incest =))

as for the law-of-god ... if we really know what that is ... any church is free to decide to allow this or not ... well, they already said no ... if any homo couple really wants the church's consent (is there any such couple ?) then they have a problem the human law may change for their sake, but any scripture surely won't

and a last thing: if we agree to homo marriages - why won't we agree to more-than-2-humans marriages ? any of them of whichever sex ? it's perfectly feasible, by human law. why can't there be 'love' between more than 2 people? ;;)

...although 90% of the human marriages don't have anything [anymore] to do with the 'love' thing... the same statistic will apply to the homo marriages as well, be sure of that. they're humans, too

as for 'mom' and 'dad' ... =)) i strongly hope no'one will invent concepts such as 'male-mom' or 'female-dad'

merged: 07-15-2007 ~ 11:54pm
... no connection intended , i'm giving you a funny story:

John misses school the whole day. Next day the teacher scolds him: 'Why haven't you come to school yesterday?' 'Sorry ma'am, i had to get our cow to the bull' 'Why didn't your father do this ?' 'Well, Sir, he could have done it himself, but the bull does it better'.