Which is more important, Science or religion?
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Which is more important?
Which is more important, Science or religion?
Which is more important?
- Science
- 150 votes
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This is one of the most disrespectful things I have seen on this forum. If Buddhists were as violent as some other religions are, you'd be getting death threats.
And for good measure:
"Christian death threats" returns 696 results: http://google.com/search?&q=%22christian+death+threats%22
"Buddhist death threats" returns 2 results: http://google.com/search?&q=%22buddhist+death+threats%22
Just thought I'd add this. :P
You are a complete moron...
May I ask...what is philosophy?
Does it need logic? Or just argue with whatever in dispose?
And...you are totally blinded...by your own close-mindness...your too fundamentalist beliefs...
Also, I see you are getting arrogant...that you start to attack other religions...and their beliefs...
I might be former believer of Buddhism...(turn away because some ideas aren't totally fit...and that of some supernatural belief...no offense though...was my opinion...)...but I never heard of Buddhist crusade against other religions...like you said about their "violence"...and still think it as one of the best religions around...
kingray100...you should read this...
He does it bcoz He loves us ^^
Luke 7:41:
"There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?" 43 Simon answered and said, "I suppose the one whom he forgave more." And He said to him, "You have rightly judge."
it's bcoz we cant know Him n love Him more if we already have evrything we need. By our sadness n angryness in lifes, we can open our minds to get closer to Him. many people find their true ways after those misfortunes- like me
Or like Seung-Hui Cho and this lady!
i think religion is more impt. though science has its own importance, we need sth to believe in.
haha....look,,,if your asking what philosophy is...then you dont belong in this conversation....
and why is it so bad to talk about a religion and mention the bad parts of it?its america,people do it all the time to christianity,i think i have a right.
You need to understand that if a religion is doing something against people's morals or doing something that is clearly wrong,its going to be said....i dont want to fall into the age of tolerance thing,because it stops everyone from speaking out for themselves.I dont know where you guys live but i live in america where i can point out the wrong doings in anything i want,including my own government.
and what is this,a sad poem written by some atheist?It simply points out the misunderstandings of atheists saying that everything that happens on earth that is bad is God's fault....
Its not bad, but apparently nobody accepts it... Its human nature not to talk about the bad...
Umm... its not a sad poem...
It literally points out everything nicely, god creates everything, so he also created evil. Saying god allows deceit lies and ignorance rather than creating peace...
onyhow was obviously asking to see how you would answer that question. Next time, try answering it.
No it doesn't. When people talk about tolerance they don't mean refraining from criticizing others' views. They mean that they tolerate the fact that others hold those views, i.e., they don't dislike people just because they hold a certain view. For example, I'm tolerant of Christians and the majority of my friends are Christians. On the other hand, I'm not tolerant of of racists and sexists, and I have a strong tendency to dislike them. In the case of religions, people can interpret their holy texts many different ways, and while I'm not willing to be tolerant of those Christians who interpret the Bible in such a way as to mean they should kill others, I'm willing to be--and I should be--tolerant of the people who ignore the evil parts (or are just unaware of them). The point I'm trying to make is that there are some cases where one should not be tolerant of others, and, when it comes to religion, in the majority of cases tolerance is a good thing.
I live in the United States and so do most people here. For other people, most live in places where that's allowed too, for example Canada or Japan. Pointing out that something is wrong with a view is perfectly fine and no one is saying you shouldn't do that. In fact, it's good to do that.
Consider the context of the post and you might be able to understand.
I don't think you quite understand what tolerance means. You can speak your mind obviously, but you could do it in a polite manner instead of all the 'You're wrong I'm right, darn you' stuff. Point out that you disagree, not ridicule it or condemn it. You do realize that if you don't feel like tolerating other people then by all means we don't have to tolerate you and your beliefs either.
the devils want us to do bad things, God just let them to do it.
He tests us how big our loves for Him, as He loves all of us.
if bad things happened, just wait n pray , try not to think that He wont help u bcoz evrything will turn to great.
but if He dont help u yet, dont complain n start to think that is He here with u? bcoz it means that u'r testing God n He's not ur slave.
our faith are expensive, more than evrything
dun sell it to people, but share with them
merged: 09-09-2007 ~ 09:02pm
well, another questions?
Oh...that poem was from Buddhist scripture what outline pretty much why they don't believe in god...
It came from "argument from evil"...further basic information can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil...
And it was writted around 2500 years ago...I think...
I shall see on how will you answer to alex and royal's responses before adding any other comments...because both have raised some interesting points...
well it may seem obvious to you but I didnt see anyway of him addressing me to that question....
and what you said in the second part about Christians and killing and ect... would make sense if it were true....but the fact is,the bible doesnt tell us to kill anyone....if anything,it teaches us not to kill.....and dont pull out that old testament stuff out of your hat because thats just history and tradition that doesnt tell others to do anything mentioned in it.
I understand this buddhist poem, alright....
merged: 09-10-2007 ~ 01:44am
actually,I have a good idea of what tolerance is......and if my belief says something is wrong,you have to accept that under this age of tolerance.
also,im not condemning really,im just mentioning things that are obviously wrong....for example...Hinduism believes that things like rats are more important than humans....question is,how can someone say that?these type of questions make you think of what is most likely the right way,and what is most likely the wrong way.Im guessing that once people understand the strange and unusual things done in different types of religions,they will narrow their choices down to a religion that seems right...thats my opinion.
merged: 09-10-2007 ~ 01:46am
actually,i would say God created the potential of evil since he gave us free will....we still made the mess,so the mess either stays or we do something about it......people are choosing the first option.
You cannot definitly say which one is better. That is because there are so many people who think different. So I will say both. Because without science there is no cures or medicine and without religion people need some guidance wether there is a god or not.
The idea of omniscient and omnipotency is going to be repeated 50 times here...
Sure you do... tolerance is a good thing... are you sure you tolerate us? Apparently you don't seeing that you get mad so easily.
Where the hell are you getting your information...?
You believe it to be wrong that people who believe in hinduism worship the rat? What about the fact the christians are hoping for an apocalypes? I do agree with AlexJohnc3 that you seem to say rather contemptuos and arrogant things and though you maybe a bit tolerant (you could be considered tolerant if you were not always calling people names), you lack understanding. I too lack a bit of understanding, but to how people can believe in something that lacks truth or common sense (this would be my stance on most religions). It would be rather nice if we could have a calm discussion without slander ,stereotype, or pointless labeling of others. Ah, so you do agree that god is not as good as he seems, but you could blame him for far more than that. Infact, you could blame him for everything as he created everything, did he not? He is also omniscient which means he knew what would become of humanity before his decisions were even made. Saying otherwise would mean that god is not all-knowing.
Well to you that's wrong, to others it may seem logical and true. And why would you care if they think rats are more important anyway? It's none of your business actually, and it's not like they're doing something extremely evil or something. And do you honestly think that others don't find your religion strange and unusual as well? I personally don't mind that you're so passionate about your religion, but I agree with alexjohn and marfish that you're being rather contemptuous and arrogant about it.
You admit to not being able to save everyone here. We've already shown ourselves unwilling to be "saved". So one question: Why are you still here?
Once again you contradict yourself by these fruitless attempts. What do you gain from this? Do you somehow enjoy these arguments? Take pleasure in denouncing religions and beliefs contrary to your own?
And why, did you specifically ignore my post in your forum board, asking you why you considered yourself worthy of the "preacher's robe" when so many others like priests, bishops and the like spent years studying their religion whereas you blatantly admit to being new?
To be honest, your passion for your beliefs are admirable, but as I have said before: Do you really think yourself worthy of the "preacher's robe"?
Then why don't you accept our beliefs?
If you don't accept, I have no reason to accept yours...
I have seen research on that there's part in bible that told to kill...or near enough...in King James Bible...
The information can be found at: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/afps-wgs022307.php...
Old Testament is still part of the bible...if you reject it...then you don't adhere the bible...which I think you said you adhere...last quote I quoted...
Then why don't god create a place for good people that did not believe in god as a resting place other than hell...which contain evil people only? Funny...
same questions..same answers..
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im getting confused..
've no more answers in my head, need to read the bible more often X)
btw, copy paste from the last post i wrote
as i said, He just wants us to show our love for Him, bcoz He's the one who creates all of u.
we know that our parents r our real parents, but we dun have to prove it. same as God, must u asking for proofs?
ur parents give u evrything u need without asking for gifts, but just ur love, moreover God who have the biggest love. God give all u need by ur parents' hands, thats how He helps us, he doesnt have to show Himself n giving gifts lika a santa. but still, u dont want to suffer for Him, like how hard ur parents work for ur life. humans r so egoistic.
The fact is, youve never seen god, youve never felt god, youve never smelt god, and yet you put so much faith into a book thats origins are unknown. Also, your parents are actually real, thats difference between them and this imaginary omnipotent force you say is so just. Your calling people selfish on the terms that they are turning their backs on something that is helping them. Unfortunately it is to my and perhaps their beliefs, that there is nothing to be thanking an imaginary being for.
Umm... yeah... you're a human, and you're egotistic as I would say too. Anyways, god =/= tangible your parents == tangible, now I think theres a difference right there... by the way, your example is horrible.
...I'll have to agree with DarkRose that you gave a very bad example o_O
You can see, feel and touch your parents can't you? You KNOW for a fact that they exist.
Can you do the same with God? No. All you can do is to have FAITH that he exists. Nothing wrong with that if you really do have that faith.
And as for God wanting us to suffer for him, that's horrible. What kind of sick, twisted being would WANT someone else to suffer for him? It's like you WANTING your parents to suffer for you, which is horribly inhumane.
People who say that we need to suffer for our faith are people who were brainwashed by their religion or could not break free from their "teachings". If you think an omnipotnet being doesn't exist, then try to explain how the big bang happened. We have already proven that an omnipotent being exists because of the limitations of what we can answer and comprehend. Thus a proof by disproving. I believe he exists but I do not think he can or will affect our lives.
I stand by my words. I can live without religion and science. All I need is logic and wisdom.