I think the GOD created "events". And we just follow it; choosing the
conditional branch. So, suppose that "fate" is "events", and
the GOD is the "game maker".
If you shot 10 piercing bullets to your head, there's no guarantee that you'll
die. Prob'ly because of the "events"; if it says "you'll
die", well... But if the "event" said "the bullets won't
kill you, they'll hit your cancer!" then you'll safe.
GOD created the "events" long ago before He create Earth and Heavens.
(that's what my religion said)
This question is like a fish asking another fish how does he understand the
world he lives in
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Quote by DarkRoseofHell
Yeah... about that... if death is a door, then should we not be immortal? If
death is a door, and since most people keep saying that we have free will, then
that means we have the free will to not enter the door to death. Sorry, but your
sense will not work.
it's really more complex than that ...we're so trapped in this world, this way
of living/thinking/acting/... that we don't see/notice the way we have to
live/think to live longer and possibly forever (forever in THIS place)
and if ONE would reach this way of thinking he/she would NOT want to live
forever in this world ...trust me on this one
Quote by kayo04
Thanks for stating that this is a stupid question. I
not sure what you getting at. You make it so easy to answer. All I get is
question mark. Why do we die? Why do we pass through a door? Let me tell you
there more than one door. Not everyone what to go forward. Not every door lead
to death.
You say that "God" gives us choice. From what you just say, sound to
be there only one choice. Or should I say limit. Whatever choice we choice it
make no difference. It all going to lend to the same path. That is His/her
(GOD). He/she either gave us death or to move on. From what you say the path
that God choose is death.
You are wrong. We don't have to die. Who told you that? I don't think the bible
say anything about us have to die. If there is, I like to read it. Not everyone
want to destroy the this planet. Or evil. I have to say I agree with you about
humans will eventually die by their own hands. That I can not deny. The facts you make it sound as everyone don't gave a damm about this planet
and limit choice we have. Tick me off.
I take it that you are afraid of death ...you are affraid of what is beyond that
door ...possibly because you think that this life is the ONLY one
and after that is nothing
Like I answered above ...it's more complex than that ...we are influenced by the
world we live in and we influence the world we live in a way or another ...we
are weak beings ...no matter how strong your personality is that's still weak
I don't want to dig too deep because I'll get lost there >__> (I'm just
another human :-( )
We don't have to die? ...You must love this world THAT much I guess ...no, I don't hate this world ...just certain aspects of it.
Not everyone want's to destroy this planet? ...Ohhh I see ...yet you/we still
throw the trash and stop thinking where the trash goes ...you/we still drive
cars on a daily basis that polute the air ...we still buy/use chemicals ...we
still eat trash food (but hey ...the mouth likes) and we still want to live
longer now don't we?
We're still using atomic power ...we're still using fuel/kerosene/oil/etc. etc.
The big corporations play with these and what do we do? ...we play along. And
after that you come along and say that I tick you off because not everybody is
doing it.
I'm glad that I touch there where it hurts. We're all at fault.
One individual can't stop this ...one group can't stop this ...one country alone can't stop this, BUT IT CAN
START! ! !
Quote: it's really more complex
than that ...we're so trapped in this world, this way of
living/thinking/acting/... that we don't see/notice the way we have to
live/think to live longer and possibly forever (forever in THIS place)
and if ONE would reach this way of thinking he/she would NOT want to live
forever in this world ...trust me on this one
Well... no one would want to live forever... but then what about those force to
death? Getting shot, dieing frrom cancer, etc?
well personally, i tink we make our own choices. for me,i've always tot the idea
of god planning our lives kinda trashy. if Man is born equal, why is he not
given the same fate? why would god plan a bed of roses for one,and a bed of
thorns for another? at birth Man are not evil nor sinful. so why?
Quote: it's really more complex than that ...we're so
trapped in this world, this way of living/thinking/acting/... that we don't
see/notice the way we have to live/think to live longer and possibly forever
(forever in THIS place)
and if ONE would reach this way of thinking he/she would NOT want to live
forever in this world ...trust me on this one
Well... no one would want to live forever... but then what about those force to
death? Getting shot, dieing from cancer, etc?
if we all would have that way of thinking there would be no shooting (wars)
...no diseases? (deseases evolve ...those will be forever) ...no other humanity
problems like starvation (hmmm... who knows?) ...no environment problems ...NONE
...NOTHING
but we would still "die" (one way or another) ...because we have to
...because we are not gods ...some other things will come up and stop us
Future is not standing still ...it's always changing ...when you think you seen
it all, something else will come up "and hit you on the head"
...hell, we might ALL die tomorrow because of who knows what
Quote by kayo04
Why do we die? Why do we pass through a door? Let me tell you there more than
one door. Not everyone what to go forward. Not every door lead to death.
You say that "God" gives us choice. From what you just say, sound to
be there only one choice. Or should I say limit. Whatever choice we choice it
make no difference. It all going to lend to the same path. That is His/her
(GOD). He/she either gave us death or to move on. From what you say the path
that God choose is death.
You are wrong. We don't have to die. Who told you that? I don't think the bible
say anything about us have to die. If there is, I like to read it. Not everyone
want to destroy the this planet. Or evil. I have to say I agree with you about
humans will eventually die by their own hands. That I can not deny. The facts you make it sound as everyone don't gave a damm about this planet
and limit choice we have. Tick me off.
I take it that you are afraid of death ...you are affraid of what is beyond that
door ...possibly because you think that this life is the ONLY one
and after that is nothing
Like I answered above ...it's more complex than that ...we are influenced by the
world we live in and we influence the world we live in a way or another ...we
are weak beings ...no matter how strong your personality is that's still weak
I don't want to dig too deep because I'll get lost there >__> (I'm just
another human :-( )
We don't have to die? ...You must love this world THAT much I guess ...no, I don't hate this world ...just certain aspects of it.
Not everyone want's to destroy this planet? ...Ohhh I see ...yet you/we still
throw the trash and stop thinking where the trash goes ...you/we still drive
cars on a daily basis that polute the air ...we still buy/use chemicals ...we
still eat trash food (but hey ...the mouth likes) and we still want to live
longer now don't we?
We're still using atomic power ...we're still using fuel/kerosene/oil/etc. etc.
The big corporations play with these and what do we do? ...we play along. And
after that you come along and say that I tick you off because not everybody is
doing it.
I'm glad that I touch there where it hurts. We're all at fault.
One individual can't stop this ...one group can't stop this ...one country alone can't stop this, BUT IT CAN
START! ! !
I think we have some kind miscommunication going on here. You just stating from
what I saying from what you saying.
Quote by starfixxxer"Who makes
the choice for you to die? You or God."
...it's a really stupid question
1'st of all the so-called "God" gives you the choice ...you don't see the choice but
it's allways there for you to take (a path of choices).
Why do we die?
Why do we pass through a door? ...to get somewhere else obviously. That
"door" is death ...yes, death is just a door.
...and we die because he have to ...everything is in place so that we die
"when the time comes" BECAUSE WE HAVE TO (everything is set in such a
way so that we die eventually ...what we breathe/eat/drink/do/... everything
works like a Swiss watch, well sort of :P )
I not going to lie. No and yes about the loving part of this world. yes for the
fact living here. No, for the fact that I have to live it. Do this even make
sense. I guess not. Let me explain. The reason why I love this earth becuse of
beautiful earth can be. Everything about it. I hate about earth is the reason
why it so beautiful that it must die.
I admit I am afraid of death. I not afraid what behide the door. I type of
person "To go on. I must go forward" Compare these two agaist each
other. Are two different thing. What make you think this is the only life I
have? Let me guss the part where I stated that I want to fight agaist this so
call GOD with all my might. Somewhere around there. To let you know, you wrong.
How I was rised there is something after death. Not nothing. But something. Another life, maybe. An animal,
maybe. Become another person, maybe. It all depend what I do with this life I
live in.
No, "We don't have to die?" is not my favortie word. Want to know.
what the hecks. "Like I care" and "I don't know"
true, what you say about trash, car, so on. but if you were to live in another
part of the world. That don't have car, bus, phone, so on. What you say still
apply to them?
Quote:
The big corporations play with these and what do we do? ...we play along. And
after that you come along and say that I tick you off because not everybody is
doing it.
I not say that you are saying that you tick me off. I say you make it sound as. That tick me off.
i don't know if anyone here has posted this before...
but... there has to be the options before the choice can be made...
if there is only one option, would chosing that only option be really considered
a choice?
This is a very uneducated question. Ok look, unless your being controlled by God
like an ultimate being sought out to do no wrong, then you have to say urself.Im
a strong Christian and i say that because just because God is in my life, doesnt
mean i dont control it. I can rob a bank whenever i want,its just that i know
its wrong and i wont.So if ur trying to disprove Religion, then you were
defeated horribly because this question has only one answer for us.
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Quote by tobiast88And Invisible Pink
Unicornism says that the Purple Oyser of Doom and his minions nibble your
kneecaps for all eternity if you are bad and refuse to worship the Invisible
Pink Unicorn. The Invisible Pink Unicorn gave us all freedom and that freedom
was the greatest gift for us. So basically, all choices are chosen by us,
humans... perhaps the Invisible Pink Unicorn's plans include our choices... who
knows?
There. I pasted your inane post with another religion. Why is that one wrong
according to you?
I just don't see why you religious people have to be reassured constantly that
goddy is watching over you. Get a clue: if goddy exists, why doesn't he do
things to help us, since he's omnipotent and omnibenevolent? Why didn't he
prevent September 11th or Bush gaining the throne and wrecking our country and
global image of our country? Free will, you'll whine. Hate to break it to you
(no, wait, I don't) , but if goddy was all the things you ascribe him to be,
then he would intervene: he's omnibenevolent, remember? So either goddy is
impotent and can't help, or he's just cruel. Great goddy.
And explain why your goddy is right, instead of the Invisible Pink Unicorn of
the 50000 egyptian gods.
Im sorry but this is one of the
stupidest answers i have seen in my MT career.Why doesnt he do anything to help
us?Well lets see...i jumped off a cliff...God help me!aghhh!what im trying to
say is that most things that happen is our faults to begin with.God didnt vote
for bush,you did,so dont blame Him.And God isnt cruel since he made a way up to
heaven,even for people like you if your ever change your mind before you
die.
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Quote by cloudsepirothstrifeof
course i make my choice for myself but i really do have my choice for God
because he is the one that guides me throughout my life, in other words my
adviser and i am the student
thats a very good way to put
it.you could also say he is your father and you are his son/daughter.He tells
you the right things but you have the choice to do them or not.
Well. We make our pick while God gave those choices. Our pick might lead us to
either the correct path or nowhere. Lets see. Killing people, God gave us
choices, to kill or not to kill. Somehow, picking the right choice is the
hardest simple thing. Our believe, knowledge and mind tells us what to do. God
gives us choices. And of course HE have HIS ways on helping. And HIS choice are
always meant to help him. Like this story.
A king and his right hand man always go for a hunt. One day, the right hand man
has cut the king's finger by accident. The king prisoned his right hand man. And
the king now went hunting alone. Unfortunately, the kind was captured by an old
tribe. The tribe kills people who went into their territory. Fortunately, the
tribe only kill people with perfect body parts and the king was safe as he lost
a finger. The king came back, released his right hand man because he thought he
was actually saved. The right hand man thanked the king too, which the king was
confused. Why would someone thanked him for imprisoning him. The right hand man
smiled and said, if he weren't imprisoned and went hunting with the king
instead, he would die as he had perfectly well body.
God helps us with our choices and HE has his mysterious ways. We pick and HE
makes the choices. Our fault if we choose the wrong one. Ne?
I dont really believe there is a god, but if there was one that was all knowing
and all powerfull being, freedom of will would not be an option. If he is all
knowing, he would have seen any out come of any situation for all of time. So,
when he made adam and eve, he knew exatly what they would do and how every
person and creater would live and die.
Quote: If he is all knowing, he
would have seen any out come of any situation for all of time. So, when he made
adam and eve, he knew exatly what they would do and how every person and creater
would live and die.
it's true. but God will ever
die
Quote: If I did not believe God, of
course, he can not control my life because I wont let him.
this one is so wrong! how can u'wont let Him'? u're unauthorized of God
God's beyond living and dying.
And I think you mean NEVER.
Quote: this one is so wrong! how
can u'wont let Him'? u're unauthorized of God
Umh did you even read what that person said? If priincess, if. What on
earth is wrong with you? O_o And who on earth are you to tell him/her that
he/she's unauthorized? Pfft.
And to answer the initial question, well, if there's an omniscient and
omnipotent God, of course God makes the choice. Sadly I don't particularly
believe in a omnipotent God so I'll say that I make my own choices, not God.
Well, one thing is for sure... You can't decide on how long you can live... Life
is fragile that way... You can say that you want to go down fighting but you
could get into an accident and die suddenly. Basically, the only choice you
really have is how to use the years of life. Death is not a logical choice for
us people.
I don't think God would sit on His throne and daily look at a list and say
"Oh, this one should die today. And I'm giving this one an extension on the
account that I like her.."
And besides, I don't think of death as a choice for you or God. Death is no
choice, it is a consequence.
Quote: And to answer the initial
question, well, if there's an omniscient and omnipotent God, of course God makes
the choice. Sadly I don't particularly believe in a omnipotent God so I'll say
that I make my own choices, not God.
God is omnipotent but
God doesnt make choices, but giving choices. that's different.
I think the GOD created "events". And we just follow it; choosing the conditional branch. So, suppose that "fate" is "events", and the GOD is the "game maker".
If you shot 10 piercing bullets to your head, there's no guarantee that you'll die. Prob'ly because of the "events"; if it says "you'll die", well... But if the "event" said "the bullets won't kill you, they'll hit your cancer!" then you'll safe.
GOD created the "events" long ago before He create Earth and Heavens. (that's what my religion said)
This question is like a fish asking another fish how does he understand the world he lives in
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it's really more complex than that ...we're so trapped in this world, this way of living/thinking/acting/... that we don't see/notice the way we have to live/think to live longer and possibly forever (forever in THIS place)
and if ONE would reach this way of thinking he/she would NOT want to live forever in this world ...trust me on this one
I take it that you are afraid of death ...you are affraid of what is beyond that door
...possibly because you think that this life is the ONLY one
and after that is nothing
Like I answered above ...it's more complex than that ...we are influenced by the world we live in and we influence the world we live in a way or another ...we are weak beings ...no matter how strong your personality is that's still weak
I don't want to dig too deep because I'll get lost there >__> (I'm just another human :-( )
We don't have to die? ...You must love this world THAT much I guess
...no, I don't hate this world ...just certain aspects of it.
Not everyone want's to destroy this planet? ...Ohhh I see ...yet you/we still throw the trash and stop thinking where the trash goes ...you/we still drive cars on a daily basis that polute the air ...we still buy/use chemicals ...we still eat trash food (but hey ...the mouth likes) and we still want to live longer now don't we?
We're still using atomic power ...we're still using fuel/kerosene/oil/etc. etc. The big corporations play with these and what do we do? ...we play along. And after that you come along and say that I tick you off because not everybody is doing it.
I'm glad that I touch there where it hurts. We're all at fault.
One individual can't stop this ...one group can't stop this ...one country alone can't stop this, BUT IT CAN START! ! !
Well... no one would want to live forever... but then what about those force to death? Getting shot, dieing frrom cancer, etc?
well personally, i tink we make our own choices. for me,i've always tot the idea of god planning our lives kinda trashy. if Man is born equal, why is he not given the same fate? why would god plan a bed of roses for one,and a bed of thorns for another? at birth Man are not evil nor sinful. so why?
if we all would have that way of thinking there would be no shooting (wars) ...no diseases? (deseases evolve ...those will be forever) ...no other humanity problems like starvation (hmmm... who knows?) ...no environment problems ...NONE ...NOTHING
but we would still "die" (one way or another) ...because we have to ...because we are not gods ...some other things will come up and stop us
Future is not standing still ...it's always changing ...when you think you seen it all, something else will come up "and hit you on the head"
...hell, we might ALL die tomorrow because of who knows what 
I think we have some kind miscommunication going on here. You just stating from what I saying from what you saying.
I not going to lie. No and yes about the loving part of this world. yes for the fact living here. No, for the fact that I have to live it. Do this even make sense. I guess not. Let me explain. The reason why I love this earth becuse of beautiful earth can be. Everything about it. I hate about earth is the reason why it so beautiful that it must die.
I admit I am afraid of death. I not afraid what behide the door. I type of person "To go on. I must go forward" Compare these two agaist each other. Are two different thing. What make you think this is the only life I have? Let me guss the part where I stated that I want to fight agaist this so call GOD with all my might. Somewhere around there. To let you know, you wrong. How I was rised there is something after death. Not nothing. But something. Another life, maybe. An animal, maybe. Become another person, maybe. It all depend what I do with this life I live in.
No, "We don't have to die?" is not my favortie word. Want to know. what the hecks. "Like I care" and "I don't know"
true, what you say about trash, car, so on. but if you were to live in another part of the world. That don't have car, bus, phone, so on. What you say still apply to them?
I not say that you are saying that you tick me off. I say you make it sound as. That tick me off.
i think it's a little of bolth if i want to die i am going to die and god can do nothing about it and yet god can alwase hit me with lighting
i don't know if anyone here has posted this before...
but... there has to be the options before the choice can be made...
if there is only one option, would chosing that only option be really considered a choice?
If you think about fate, do you think a God would bother to choose what would happen in every little aspect of everybody's life? Nahhh.
Is not possible that, God is Nature so if God is real then nature too...
This is a very uneducated question. Ok look, unless your being controlled by God like an ultimate being sought out to do no wrong, then you have to say urself.Im a strong Christian and i say that because just because God is in my life, doesnt mean i dont control it. I can rob a bank whenever i want,its just that i know its wrong and i wont.So if ur trying to disprove Religion, then you were defeated horribly because this question has only one answer for us.
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Im sorry but this is one of the stupidest answers i have seen in my MT career.Why doesnt he do anything to help us?Well lets see...i jumped off a cliff...God help me!aghhh!what im trying to say is that most things that happen is our faults to begin with.God didnt vote for bush,you did,so dont blame Him.And God isnt cruel since he made a way up to heaven,even for people like you if your ever change your mind before you die.
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thats a very good way to put it.you could also say he is your father and you are his son/daughter.He tells you the right things but you have the choice to do them or not.
of course u make all choices but it's all in His plans. He knows wut ur choices r
Well. We make our pick while God gave those choices. Our pick might lead us to either the correct path or nowhere. Lets see. Killing people, God gave us choices, to kill or not to kill. Somehow, picking the right choice is the hardest simple thing. Our believe, knowledge and mind tells us what to do. God gives us choices. And of course HE have HIS ways on helping. And HIS choice are always meant to help him. Like this story.
A king and his right hand man always go for a hunt. One day, the right hand man has cut the king's finger by accident. The king prisoned his right hand man. And the king now went hunting alone. Unfortunately, the kind was captured by an old tribe. The tribe kills people who went into their territory. Fortunately, the tribe only kill people with perfect body parts and the king was safe as he lost a finger. The king came back, released his right hand man because he thought he was actually saved. The right hand man thanked the king too, which the king was confused. Why would someone thanked him for imprisoning him. The right hand man smiled and said, if he weren't imprisoned and went hunting with the king instead, he would die as he had perfectly well body.
God helps us with our choices and HE has his mysterious ways. We pick and HE makes the choices. Our fault if we choose the wrong one. Ne?
God is real! He creates nature so it's real too!
He gives choices, we've to choose
I don't believe in things like god or the bible.
I only believe in myself and no one else!
greetings
Denis, Templa
I dont really believe there is a god, but if there was one that was all knowing and all powerfull being, freedom of will would not be an option. If he is all knowing, he would have seen any out come of any situation for all of time. So, when he made adam and eve, he knew exatly what they would do and how every person and creater would live and die.
I do not understand the question, but if you do not believe in God you can not answer this. If I did not believe God, of course, he can not control my life because I wont let him. Peolpe who believe in God knows only God knows everything about our life and he controls everything but so do we. (freewill) duh ^_^
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god makes the path... you decide how to walk it =P Nuff said
=)
it's true. but God will ever die
this one is so wrong! how can u'wont let Him'? u're unauthorized of God
God's beyond living and dying.
And I think you mean NEVER.
Umh did you even read what that person said? If priincess, if. What on earth is wrong with you? O_o And who on earth are you to tell him/her that he/she's unauthorized? Pfft.
And to answer the initial question, well, if there's an omniscient and omnipotent God, of course God makes the choice. Sadly I don't particularly believe in a omnipotent God so I'll say that I make my own choices, not God.
Well, one thing is for sure... You can't decide on how long you can live... Life is fragile that way... You can say that you want to go down fighting but you could get into an accident and die suddenly. Basically, the only choice you really have is how to use the years of life. Death is not a logical choice for us people.
I don't think God would sit on His throne and daily look at a list and say "Oh, this one should die today. And I'm giving this one an extension on the account that I like her.."
And besides, I don't think of death as a choice for you or God. Death is no choice, it is a consequence.
i hope i make the choices, cause if god exists, he is pretty messed up.
God is omnipotent but God doesnt make choices, but giving choices. that's different.
I decide. God watches.