Which is more important, Science or religion?
Religion & Science
Which is more important?
Which is more important, Science or religion?
Which is more important?
- Science
- 150 votes
- Religion
- 51 votes
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by pain n suffering we can know Him more, n we can get closer to His Kingdom. juzt be patient, can u? "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; you are more value than many sparrows."Luke 12:7
psycho doesnt know wut he does, but a normal human knows. if he still do wrong things, is it God's fault? "if you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"
i dont know wut will happened to u, i just tell u bout God n His Kingdom n i dont think it's useless. wut we're talkin bout rite now is Jesus, the Son of God, soo... Dont judge Him if u dont know Him! He'll judge u also, by the end of time. if u still cant believe Him, just shut up n try to think based from our-christias- side. u know, silent is a lot better than swearing.
He gives choices, not make decisions. He knows evrything we'll do, not doing evryting we do.
He let satan to testing us, n if we agree to do wrong things, is it God's fault?
well, so how can u know that the bible isnt true? wut evrythings happened r written in the bible, can u see those facts? then u've to read more.
Mark 4:11=And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12"So that 'Seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand; lest they should turn, and their sins be forgiven them.'"
Luke 8:18= "Therefore take heed how you hear. For whoever has, to him more will be given; and whoever does not have, even what his seems to have will be taken from him."
Well I have my own interpretation, I don't follow one or other completely,science have some mistakes as the religion,my religion is catholic and registered this way,but I don't follow my religion neither others,cause some in there is not to trust,or not completely correct,I'm christian,I don't see christianism as religion but a movement or path we are free to choose,but I do on my own way,with my vision of life,and learn more,about science like I said have some mistakes,limited logic,but man still can't even use half of his brain neither capacity,neither nothing completly confirmed,is true and i agreed that everything doesn't happen by coincidence, there always a reason behind it,and is not destiny I'm refering,'cause I don't know of is true, 'cause every little grain can chage everything.
I didn't vote none of them,because both commit mistakes,every little thing have their own explanation.One thing I believe is lessons and messages that life give to us,when I mean life is really life,what's is around us,but there other thing religion heart and soul,science the logic,why not to use all this at the same time?would be interesting,could go more far?
Once again, FREEDOM OF WILL IS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN YOU WERE CREATED BY SOMETHING OMNISCIENT! Omniscient means "ALL KNOWING", so therefore, he created adam and eve in a way that pleased him. He couldnt have done it any other way, because he can see every single outcome from his decision in the making of them. So when he finaly made them, his final choice was how everything would turn out as it has. Such as the world wars, Sin, and you and how you would turn out as well as every thought that has ever gone through your mind. He made sure that this would happen, through seeing every atom and molecule of this universe placing them exactly, because he would see the repricussions of how he placed each. Sin was indeed gods creation, again, he created the universe and its laws and chose how it was going to be. He didnt need to, but he did. Satan, whats the need of having someone to torcher you for eternity if he chose your fate before the beginning of time? Before you were made? He knew everyones fate as he placed the atoms carefully in their respective places and chose how he would make the first humans and their weak personalities. Lol, he knew that eve would decieve him, infact, he made it that way. How would he not see, as he was the one who made her mind and her personality, topping it off with being "ALL KNOWING", trying to stress this so you wont forget. A good question, but a better one would be, how do you know the bible is true? Its laws seem to clash with those of the real world, and no ones really knows where it came from. For all you know, it could have been written by a schizophrenic scholar, there are many ways this novel may have come into existance, but the fact is, you dont know, and may never know. Does it seem rational to be quoting from an unreliable source all the time? Quoting the bible is like quoting a science fiction novel.
lol... yeah
like atom bombs, guns, global warming, and more...
I'm not saying 'religion' is any better, but science isn't this holy beacon of light either.
-Boojitsu21
Yeah, but science is the one fixing those problem, how ironic >.>
What on earth does pain and suffering have to do with God?
With or without pain and suffering, a person can still believe in God and get to know Him better. It's just a matter of good faith.
Or are you still implying that He's a sadist? Because you seem to love to paint God in a not so all-loving way.
Oh yes it is, since He created Satan in the first place.
And what on earth is wrong with God?
Why is he so fond of testing people?
For his entertainment purposes?
Even if a person already fully believe in Him, is He still going to test them? And if yes what for?
Hell yeah it is His fault since He knows everything that'll happen anyway. Him knowing = He created it. Unless of course if you view God as only a spectator, and He can't interfere, and He feels bad about it, then yeah, I feel bad for God. And the beings he created.
And how can you know that the Bible is all truth and nothing but the truth? Because you were actually there to view it a few thousand years ago?
If so congrats, apparently you're an immortal.
Or at least someone with a very long life.
satan tests us so that we can be in their side, by not believing God. the one who still believe in God, the end of time will go to heaven n stand beside Him, so the kingdom of God will be fulfilled with good people, n the kingdom of God will be bigger n bigger.
no ones? all believers know. it was made from His prophets.
i am answering ur questions by quoting, bcoz the answers r there. im not just talking u know..
actually the most important thing that should be helped is our heart, rite.. feelings.., if u want to read the bible, u'll learn bout peace, kindness, love, n eternal life. those things we need for survive. n if u've those all, u'll be happy with all things u've got, no complainings. a rich man cant be happy also, rite. so wut science for? science help us in the outside, but religion help us in the inside. with religion u can still survive, but with science?
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yeah, a person still believe in God without suffering, but not a longlasting. that's useless. by pain n suffering, u'll try to find the way out of it. then if u start to know God n pray evryday, He'll answer ur problems. soon u'll start to believe in Him-people cant believe if they dont know the facts, dont they.. u'll not understand unless u ever got something like this. if there's no pain, people can do anything wut they want, then they'll no need for having like God or Jesus.
*Sigh*, Im tired of talking to you. Its obvious you dont really fully read my arguments, or you would have come back with something that actually challenged it instead of answer with what I had answered. If you care to re-read it and actually answer it, then perhaps we can move forward with it. As for the typo, I wouldnt be so hypocritical.
See, priincess.
Your arguments don't make sense.
Sadly to say, I have to agree with marfish and beyondmeasure.
Your answers really make no sense.
How on earth would you know it's not longlasting? How on earth do you know all that anyway? Perhaps you're the one with the fickle heart if you can actually say such things.
unfortunately quoting answers without supporting data is that same as not answering the question. The Bible does not and was never intended to have all the answers. You have to go out and find those for yourself.
? Nice contradicting answer that makes absolutely no sense. Please try again.
Its easy to know that the Bible is not all fact cause it bascially says so. Quite a few of the stories told in the Bible are told in a teaching context which means that the events in the story may or may not have happened but thats unimportant since the goal is the lesson of the story.
Ah the explaination of the "Sowers parable" a good story but you fail to get the point of it across in your quotes. Basically you cannot truly accept God unless you are willing to. Its a choice not a requirement.
How on earth would you know it's a longlasting? i know bcoz i did. n the facts around me-people do. believe isnt just believe. some people think the believe but they arent.
unfortunately for u, the bible is the answer of evry single question u asked. it's the source, like a history book. do i've to find another source? those stories in the bible were happened in the past, do u mean i've to asked them bout ur questions?
it's a choice but it's a must. do u want to be a good person or the bad one? it's a choice but u know how should u choose
At least I never claimed to know it's longlasting. I was just saying that it's possible. That's very different from insisting on things that are subjective and abstract, which is exactly what you're doing. Speak for yourself, just because you think that way doesn't mean that everyone's just like you.
Do you know the meaning of blind faith?
Sad to point this out to you but that's exactly what you're practicing.
I see, so am I to understand that you are one of those unfortunates that beleives the Bible is the end all be all of Christianity. Thats kinda sad especially since the Bible is really only one of the starting points. I can prove the Bible does not have all the answers simply because change occurs. The world and indeed the Christian religion has advanced (although at a much slower pace than the world) and the Bible has not. Since the Bible is static how can it contain all the answers? The men who wrote it were not fortune tellers, and they could only use the knowledge of their past and their present to make their observations. I won't disagree that there are quite a few tenets/items of faith in the Bible that are immutable (to Christians at least) but the Bible is not the entire Christian religion and therefore can not be used to answer all questions.
You appear to be really good at contradicting yourself and this statement proves it. If it is a choice then it cannot be a must. God gave us free will and we are not required to choose any particular path.
Also, being Christian or not has Little to No bearing on whether or not one is a good person. I can prove that statement simply by sifting though real history and showing different people who did monstrous things supposedly because God wanted them to. Try looking up Christian radicalism and you'll probably find more than a few people who were for all intents and purposes very bad people but by their own admission they were Christian.
actually i got those inspirations bcoz people around me
talked nothing..
it was written in the bible, God led them on their writings. if it wasnt, i also couldnt accept evrything they wrote -_ u cant talk bout Christianity if u havent learn it yet.
i said that evrything is written in the bible, u just dont know how to read it. the meanings are closed for people who cant open their heart to God.
there r 2 different ways from choices, the bad one or the good one.
those people dont stand beside God. they just claimed that they're Christians, but actually they arent really.
Only people who are weak depend on god to help themselves. Religion lead to self delusion. Self delusion lead to fanaticism. Fanaticism mean refusing to accept others opinions and blind to the harsh reality. There is no salvation. There is only men. Religion is a tool of manipulation to control the weak.
Not exactly the proper response to hers...
Oh yes, the bible proves the bible, you are practicing blind faith...
So... whats good, whats bad? Plus, what happens if theres more than two choices.... and another thing... please fix your grammar...
And... someone identifying themself as a Christian, and you're saying they're not, is one way of just excluding another and causing more hate and problems.
Good Lord. There she goes again, talking nonsense.
Okay. There are HUGE GAPING HOLES in your reasoning - I point these out.
So, priincess, are you claiming to be some kind of enlightened being, a sage, a prophet?
In case you don't know, priincess, citing other people's experiences doesn't really count as fact.
I'm afraid you're wrong.
The Bible may have a kernel of truth in it somewhere, but most of the events that happened as narrated - for example, the creation of the world in 6 days, the making of the tower of Babel, the wandering of the Israelites in the desert for 40 years - remain myths.
Any Christian theologian - except for those living in the most extreme sects of Christianity - would tell you so.
merged: 12-16-2007 ~ 08:32pm
If it helps you to FIX your reasoning: go to Wikipedia, search under atheism, and you'll find every argument that has been made (so far) against the existence of God, as well as the rebuttals by Christian apologists.
It would help US immensely if you return here a more comprehensible human.
I could probably take that last comment as an insult but it would be pointless since I am a Christian just not "your" type of Christian. I have learned many things about Christianity and based simply on our difference in ages probably learned (and lived through) a substantial bit more. I've read the Bible (several times), been asked to not come back to fundamentalist Bible study groups because I asked questions they did not have answers too (this includes clergy), I've read the Gnostic Gospels (also called the Apocrypha), I have yet to get a translated copy of the Dead Sea Scrolls (but look forward to reading it), and I have even read portions of other religions holy books (Islam, Judaism, a small amount of Buddhist teachings, etc...). Therefore I am more than aware of Christianity's flaws (which you seem to want to gloss over) as well as its good side. One of those being that the Bible and the New Testament in particular are compilations and they are not complete (therefore it cannot contain all the answers). I can prove this by referencing the Councils of the Catholic Church that decided what was going to be put into the Bible and what was to be left out. This is historical fact recorded by the scribes of said councils, not an article of faith.
Unfortunately for you the argument of "I am right and you are wrong so there" is worthless as you have absolutely nothing to back it up. It even underscores my earlier comment about my belief that you are on of those unfortunates that believe the Bible is the end all be all of Christianity and refuse to look at anything else. There are several major historical figures that did just that and have caused this world a lot of pain and suffering because they believed in their hearts that they were right and they forgot that they had no right to judge others based on their own personal beliefs.
Oh really? Let me pose a couple of questions to you.
1. Is is good to kill someone? I am betting you are going to say no.
2. Is it good to allow someone to kill others? Again I am betting you will say no again.
3. Is it good to kill a person who is going to kill other people? I await your response to this simple good or bad choice. After all you just implied that there are only good or bad choices which is equivalent to the black and white argument for morality.
Really? How dare you question their faith. They believed that they were doing the work that God wanted them to do. They fanatically followed their beliefs. What right do you have to judge their decisions or their faith?...
Now do you understand the point I was making?
That was completely nonsensical. Her reply, I mean.
And princess, if you didn't even understand my reply, that was my conclusion after reading that paragraph you typed.
'unfortunately for u, the bible is the answer of evry single question u asked. it's the source, like a history book. do i've to find another source? those stories in the bible were happened in the past, do u mean i've to asked them bout ur questions?'
So...we're just suppose to accept whatever that's written in there, without a single question or doubt? Oh well. I guess that's what you do anyway. Blind faith.
And you yourself said it happened in the past - so how would you know that it's all true anyway? I am repeating myself - you ignored my last similar comment.
It's sad that you actually have to point that out...
And for your sake priincess I hope you actually check out wikipedia.
And whatever happened to shades of grey?
A freakish Christian apologist, you are, Mnemeth.
Though I belong on the other side of the fence - I still salute!
merged: 12-17-2007 ~ 08:39am
I have to point those HUGE GAPING HOLES out.
I study Philosophy, and I couldn't help but notice the freakish fundamentalism - and even more freakish reasoning - imposed here by priincess.
And, again, dear Sherry, check out the article I said earlier.
I would add another, though: check out the lists of fallacies.
If you read close enough, your entire reasoning falls under nearly all of them.
I hope you read them, analyze them, and come back here a more comprehensible person, who sees the world not just in black and white, but in numerous shades of gray.
Romans 12:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lust.
so do u think that u're the right one? how can u know it? dont talk if u dont know, just because your emotion u refuse God many times. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the mesage of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 That your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 5: 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
1 Corinthians 6: 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
what's good n whats bad.. just read the bible, u'll know.
so wut about hate n problems? Romans 15: 3 For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, "The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me."
evrybody do. so how can u think it's a longlasting or not? it's the fact u all always show rite? bcoz nobody see Him, then u cant believe if He's really exist.
the people who wrote it know more THAN U. dont change the facts bcoz u didnt see wut happened in the past. u're the one who talk nonsense.
dont think based from wut humans think, bcoz wut humans think arent the same as wut He thinks. that's why any reasons or facts i give to u, u still cant accept. think n feel it with ur faith.
is it good to kill? no matter wut the reasons, the answer's NO. killing people cant solve anything. u would be guilty for his/her families who dont have reasons for hate u. then killing each other would be happened, do u think it's good too? have u ever found somebody who has never doing wrong? it proves that humans arent wise enough. then, have u ever found the words of God (bible) which arent wise?
Romans 12: 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeage is Mine, I will replay." says the Lord.
they just dont know wut they do, means still blind. Christians also make sins, isnt it clear? that's why be careful, just like wut God's told. many pastors cant mention the meanings of verses clearly too.
i give u facts but u still think it isnt enough, so wut should i do? think based on humans' sides? no way, i will not change my faith just bcoz u all against me.. that's so fool. bcoz faith of believing God is the best thing of wut humans have, n the best gifts u'll ever give to God.
u make a fatal decision for not believe in God. see? why people always cant accept Him just bcoz they cant see? does anybody ever lose anything bcoz believe Him?
then u cant think clearly.
soryy.. wut article?
I saw the top part and I just wanted to run away, >>;;
But anyway, just want to voice my opinion.
Simple answer: Science.
I mean, how else would have technology advanced so quick in the past centures, or thousands of years?
Religion gives people hope- it's a part of society because we are a species. Those that need it, have it, or should get into it.
When science and religion mix it's not a happy thing, as previous posters have made it clear. Some things that happen is just luck- people thrive, suffer, live and die. It's the cycle of all life. (I guess, xD)
Ah, yes, under Wikipedia.
Lists of fallacies.
And - anyone, help.
merged: 12-19-2007 ~ 08:49am
Foolish faith.