I want this thread to be friendly as much as possible no offense to other people
whatsoever. The question is:
In the context of terrorism and racial discrimination, how would you judge the
morality and ethical behavior of suicide bombers with emphasis on culture,
religion, law and race?
less people the better, in my opinion...they are going to do it regardless of
how people see it, for it is part of their culture to do it "that
way"...in truth it's been happening like this for generations it's just
since america got involved did people start getting curious about it and then
complain because theirs were getting killed within the bombing
Well , from my personal point of view people who commit suicide are morons (the
only exception being giving one's life for another's life as a last resort).
I semi-understand the beliefs of suicide bombers and I wonder how they allow
themselves to become so twisted by listening to fanatics who spout hatred and
discontent simply because of their twisted view of their own religion. Fighting
and indiscriminate killing because of religion ranks up there in the top five of
idiotic ideas and actions in my opinion.
I think suicide is wrong, but, with that aside, I think they are cowards, to
kill people and killing themselves, and for what, just to make a country hate
them?
actually in their culture it teaches them that they will get to
"heaven" and the more they "take out" the bigger the
"rewards" will be in "heaven" but it is rather sad how that
works out
In the context of terrorism, it's effective only if people let it be effective.
Granted, it would take a while and people would have to die before it really
stopped being effective, but that seems to happen anyway.
Judging the morality of a different mindset, as seen by some of the previous
posts, can be tricky. It's too easy to approach an act like this from your own
viewpoint and simply say "it's wrong." Most people from the Western
world would probably take that stance. Especially young people, perhaps. Older
people may remember being in a war where their country was under attack. If
that's the case, some people will figure that the chances of their surviving may
not be great, and if you're going to die, then you try to take as many of the
enemy with you as possible. Or perhaps they think that, if their lives are given
up for the good of their homeland, then it's not a wasted effort. (The
motivation is NOT to make a country hate them.) Soldiers have done this for
centuries -- be wiling to die for what you believe in. The only difference is
how. A quick suicide or a potentially longer death. Either way, you try to take
out as many of the enemy as possible. I don't condone the suicide bombings, but
I can see the sense of desperation and pride the bombers have. In a way, it
makes them brave. Let's not forget that the Japanese whose anime and manga we
all love so much also had suicide bombers.
And nearly every major religion in the world has gone out and killed in the name
of their beliefs. Crusades, anyone?
I point out these things simply as a reminder that noone should say, "Well,
I would NEVER do anything like that." You don't really know what you'd do
until you're put into that situation. And folks that say, "My country would
NEVER do anything like that!" Well, most countries have. It's a matter of
remembering history and learning from it.
I realize that I left out a lot of details and nuances, but I don't want this to
get TOO long. I also realize that because I stated a viewpoint other than
"Those stupid killing heathens! They should die!" I won't exactly get
any fanmail. I just hope that I encourage some thoughtfulness about reactions
instead of blind emotionalism. If people really want wars to end, it starts with
less being judgmental and more understanding.
well, maybe they think that they're heroes, which help their country by doing
like that. assuming that they dont have fear about death, most of them dont
believe about God n dont understand about life after the death, or maybe they've
wrong beliefs-which make them think that suicide bombing is a good thing to help
their country
Awww, pretty serious discussion, I can't say that I understand all of
these...O_o well, it's a pretty relevant issue, anyways...
I think Mnemeth-san's point is pretty much that people shouldn't kill themselves
needlessly? Maybe they should try to live their lives and not give up...or
something like that.
Hmmm, Inutia-san's point is also interesting...( debate...hehe, I love debates,
well, as long as it's sensible and there's no name-calling or silly arguments,
lols, our class debates more or less turns out like that...^___~ )I can't say I
agree, but he made a point when he said it's hard to judge other's viewpoint if
you don't understand enough about it, so you shouldn't be impulsive and assume
it from your own? Waaah, my head is spinning, what am I doing here anyway...this
is like history class lols...but I like History, though...
Well, see ya, and don't go shouting and screaming at each other, ne?
Please let me be clear. I dislike war. Rarely is it an actual necessary thing.
And I think that killing innocent civilians is wrong. All I'm saying is that
these people are just people. They're not big horrible boogiemen who have no
rational thought. They have reasons for doing what they're doing, and being
open-minded enough to see what they are is a good thing. I'm not telling people
what to think. I think debate about serious topics is fun, as long as it's done
in a civilized, rational manner.
I think, too, that it may be better to live for tomorrow rather than simply give
up today. But who's to say exactly what drove them to it? Most people, even in
war, no not turn to suicide missions. Although such missions have always
existed, ever since there has been war. Maybe it takes a certain personality for
that.
Princess, may I suggest actually learning a bit about the Muslim religion before
making such blanketing (and incorrect) statements. If you're going to take part
in an intelligent debate, it makes any opinions of yours easily dismissable if
you don't even know whether Muslims believe in God or not.
Princess, may I suggest actually learning a bit about the Muslim religion before
making such blanketing (and incorrect) statements. If you're going to take part
in an intelligent debate, it makes any opinions of yours easily dismissable if
you don't even know whether Muslims believe in God or
not.
The thing is, I brought the question up for other people to share their
views...That doesn't mean I do not know anything about Muslim religion. In fact,
I know a LOT more than you think...^-^....
I really thank you for your own view as well...thank you very much
i think that it is very hard to judge this topic. the people wh use this type of
attack have skewed morality. when i view the possibility i dismiss it quickly as
something i could/would never do. i have been tought the basic western value
systems. people who do things like this have avery different valus system that
justifies their actions. be careful judging this topic with your moral
intepretation. for the record i think it is the lowest most cowardly way to
accomplish your goals.
Quote by angelxxuanactually in their
culture it teaches them that they will get to "heaven" and the more
they "take out" the bigger the "rewards" will be in
"heaven" but it is rather sad how that works
out
Angel-san,no offense,which culture are you talking about?
In my views,through morality,I can say that they have lost their meaning of
life,they do not see what moral should they perform when things turned out so
badly.Ethically,they are wrong.They have lost their pinpoint in life.They do
so,I think it's because they want to show opposition,they want those who are
oppressing them that they will go towards any measure to make the oppressors
notice them,what would be a better than killing others as well as yourself
without being known who did it?Not that I agree...
Suicide bombing has nothing to do with the race or the law for the law did not
ask or allow them to suicide and killing others.I believe as I have always
believe that no religion would ask its people to suicide and bring innocent
people along with them.To me,it is not in any culture of any race that I have
known of would take suicide as a culture to be held by any of those practising
it.
I apologise to anyone who feel offended by what I have said,it is just my
opinion.
PS:Blackdagger-san,inutai-san was talking about Priincess-san's views...
Quote by blackdaggerThe thing is, I
brought the question up for other people to share their views...That doesn't
mean I do not know anything about Muslim religion. In fact, I know a LOT more
than you think...^-^....
I really thank you for your own view as well...thank you very much
I think it was good of you to ask the question. I didn't say anything about
whether you know anything about the Muslim religion or not. It's impossible to
tell what you know or don't, since you haven't stated anything about it. As
FutatsuNoNegai says (thanks, by the way), I was speaking to Princess's ignorant
(not stupid, just ignorant) comments about a religion she apparently knows
nothing about. It helps the discussion when we can accurately read each other's
comments.
Quote by blackdaggerThe thing is, I
brought the question up for other people to share their views...That doesn't
mean I do not know anything about Muslim religion. In fact, I know a LOT more
than you think...^-^....
I really thank you for your own view as well...thank you very much
I think it was good of you to ask the question. I didn't say anything about
whether you know anything about the Muslim religion or not. It's impossible to
tell what you know or don't, since you haven't stated anything about it. As
FutatsuNoNegai says (thanks, by the way), I was speaking to Princess's ignorant
(not stupid, just ignorant) comments about a religion she apparently knows
nothing about. It helps the discussion when we can accurately read each other's
comments.
Opssiiieee...My Bad!^-^ hahahaha...
I think you're right. Maybe I should post my view as well... Okay...^-^
In the context of democracy, we could positively judge that suicide attacks are
a sin in the sight of both man and God. But in the context of terrorism, one
cannot judge them [suicide bombers] that easily. For one reason is that because
it is their belief.
Mostly, suicide bombers are from the Muslim culture. but not all suicide bombers
are Muslims ^-^...
Let's picture out Iraq of which suicide bombers are Muslims. Muslims believe in
Jihad or the Holy War. IN this holy war, one that dies along with the enemy
doesn't commit suicide but martyrdom-which is for them, the highest exaltation
for Allah.
Many historians pointed out that maybe Muslims may misinterpret Qur'an like many
people misinterpret the Bible.
The Quran,I recalled never did ask their believers to suicide
actually,practically we study about the Muslim culture,religion,so on and so
forth here at school,it's part of history.From what I remember,I remembered my
teacher said that in the Quran,the wahyu Allah sent said that suiciding was
something illegal,I might have remember wrong.Jihad is only launched when
Muslims are oppressed,I recalled a country where Muslims,have some call
'semangat jihad' it's actually like a strong feeling for their race of some
kind.I seriously do not believe Jihad had anything to do with suiciding.I
believe those who did it had however lost faith in God,weak-minded or may be
they atheist,you'll never know right?
See its and interesting twist. A true martyr is someone who dies defending their
faith or the right to exercise their faith. These poor souls have been twisted
into beleiving that that is exactly what they are doing. The people doing the
twisting are either power-seekers or insane in the clinical sense.
I don't think the problem is religion. No religion teaches you to kill others
whether it is moderate or extreme.
I believe its due more to their living conditions. It is natural when people
would not kill themselves if their living well. Like how communism work in
poverty. Despracy pushes them.
Their will to do it probably comes from their culture. Muslim communities tend
be more tightly knitted than others, and may feel they do good for the rest if
they bomb "unwanted people"
I want this thread to be friendly as much as possible no offense to other people whatsoever. The question is:
In the context of terrorism and racial discrimination, how would you judge the morality and ethical behavior of suicide bombers with emphasis on culture, religion, law and race?
less people the better, in my opinion...they are going to do it regardless of how people see it, for it is part of their culture to do it "that way"...in truth it's been happening like this for generations it's just since america got involved did people start getting curious about it and then complain because theirs were getting killed within the bombing
Well , from my personal point of view people who commit suicide are morons (the only exception being giving one's life for another's life as a last resort).
I semi-understand the beliefs of suicide bombers and I wonder how they allow themselves to become so twisted by listening to fanatics who spout hatred and discontent simply because of their twisted view of their own religion. Fighting and indiscriminate killing because of religion ranks up there in the top five of idiotic ideas and actions in my opinion.
I think suicide is wrong, but, with that aside, I think they are cowards, to kill people and killing themselves, and for what, just to make a country hate them?
actually in their culture it teaches them that they will get to "heaven" and the more they "take out" the bigger the "rewards" will be in "heaven" but it is rather sad how that works out
In the context of terrorism, it's effective only if people let it be effective. Granted, it would take a while and people would have to die before it really stopped being effective, but that seems to happen anyway.
Judging the morality of a different mindset, as seen by some of the previous posts, can be tricky. It's too easy to approach an act like this from your own viewpoint and simply say "it's wrong." Most people from the Western world would probably take that stance. Especially young people, perhaps. Older people may remember being in a war where their country was under attack. If that's the case, some people will figure that the chances of their surviving may not be great, and if you're going to die, then you try to take as many of the enemy with you as possible. Or perhaps they think that, if their lives are given up for the good of their homeland, then it's not a wasted effort. (The motivation is NOT to make a country hate them.) Soldiers have done this for centuries -- be wiling to die for what you believe in. The only difference is how. A quick suicide or a potentially longer death. Either way, you try to take out as many of the enemy as possible. I don't condone the suicide bombings, but I can see the sense of desperation and pride the bombers have. In a way, it makes them brave. Let's not forget that the Japanese whose anime and manga we all love so much also had suicide bombers.
And nearly every major religion in the world has gone out and killed in the name of their beliefs. Crusades, anyone?
I point out these things simply as a reminder that noone should say, "Well, I would NEVER do anything like that." You don't really know what you'd do until you're put into that situation. And folks that say, "My country would NEVER do anything like that!" Well, most countries have. It's a matter of remembering history and learning from it.
I realize that I left out a lot of details and nuances, but I don't want this to get TOO long. I also realize that because I stated a viewpoint other than "Those stupid killing heathens! They should die!" I won't exactly get any fanmail. I just hope that I encourage some thoughtfulness about reactions instead of blind emotionalism. If people really want wars to end, it starts with less being judgmental and more understanding.
well, maybe they think that they're heroes, which help their country by doing like that. assuming that they dont have fear about death, most of them dont believe about God n dont understand about life after the death, or maybe they've wrong beliefs-which make them think that suicide bombing is a good thing to help their country
Awww, pretty serious discussion, I can't say that I understand all of these...O_o well, it's a pretty relevant issue, anyways...
I think Mnemeth-san's point is pretty much that people shouldn't kill themselves needlessly? Maybe they should try to live their lives and not give up...or something like that.
Hmmm, Inutia-san's point is also interesting...( debate...hehe, I love debates, well, as long as it's sensible and there's no name-calling or silly arguments, lols, our class debates more or less turns out like that...^___~ )I can't say I agree, but he made a point when he said it's hard to judge other's viewpoint if you don't understand enough about it, so you shouldn't be impulsive and assume it from your own? Waaah, my head is spinning, what am I doing here anyway...this is like history class lols...but I like History, though...
Well, see ya, and don't go shouting and screaming at each other, ne?
Please let me be clear. I dislike war. Rarely is it an actual necessary thing. And I think that killing innocent civilians is wrong. All I'm saying is that these people are just people. They're not big horrible boogiemen who have no rational thought. They have reasons for doing what they're doing, and being open-minded enough to see what they are is a good thing. I'm not telling people what to think. I think debate about serious topics is fun, as long as it's done in a civilized, rational manner.
I think, too, that it may be better to live for tomorrow rather than simply give up today. But who's to say exactly what drove them to it? Most people, even in war, no not turn to suicide missions. Although such missions have always existed, ever since there has been war. Maybe it takes a certain personality for that.
Princess, may I suggest actually learning a bit about the Muslim religion before making such blanketing (and incorrect) statements. If you're going to take part in an intelligent debate, it makes any opinions of yours easily dismissable if you don't even know whether Muslims believe in God or not.
The thing is, I brought the question up for other people to share their views...That doesn't mean I do not know anything about Muslim religion. In fact, I know a LOT more than you think...^-^....
I really thank you for your own view as well...thank you very much
i think that it is very hard to judge this topic. the people wh use this type of attack have skewed morality. when i view the possibility i dismiss it quickly as something i could/would never do. i have been tought the basic western value systems. people who do things like this have avery different valus system that justifies their actions. be careful judging this topic with your moral intepretation. for the record i think it is the lowest most cowardly way to accomplish your goals.
Angel-san,no offense,which culture are you talking about?
In my views,through morality,I can say that they have lost their meaning of life,they do not see what moral should they perform when things turned out so badly.Ethically,they are wrong.They have lost their pinpoint in life.They do so,I think it's because they want to show opposition,they want those who are oppressing them that they will go towards any measure to make the oppressors notice them,what would be a better than killing others as well as yourself without being known who did it?Not that I agree...
Suicide bombing has nothing to do with the race or the law for the law did not ask or allow them to suicide and killing others.I believe as I have always believe that no religion would ask its people to suicide and bring innocent people along with them.To me,it is not in any culture of any race that I have known of would take suicide as a culture to be held by any of those practising it.
I apologise to anyone who feel offended by what I have said,it is just my opinion.
PS:Blackdagger-san,inutai-san was talking about Priincess-san's views...
I think it was good of you to ask the question. I didn't say anything about whether you know anything about the Muslim religion or not. It's impossible to tell what you know or don't, since you haven't stated anything about it. As FutatsuNoNegai says (thanks, by the way), I was speaking to Princess's ignorant (not stupid, just ignorant) comments about a religion she apparently knows nothing about. It helps the discussion when we can accurately read each other's comments.
Opssiiieee...My Bad!^-^ hahahaha...
I think you're right. Maybe I should post my view as well... Okay...^-^
In the context of democracy, we could positively judge that suicide attacks are a sin in the sight of both man and God. But in the context of terrorism, one cannot judge them [suicide bombers] that easily. For one reason is that because it is their belief.
Mostly, suicide bombers are from the Muslim culture. but not all suicide bombers are Muslims ^-^...
Let's picture out Iraq of which suicide bombers are Muslims. Muslims believe in Jihad or the Holy War. IN this holy war, one that dies along with the enemy doesn't commit suicide but martyrdom-which is for them, the highest exaltation for Allah.
Many historians pointed out that maybe Muslims may misinterpret Qur'an like many people misinterpret the Bible.
The Quran,I recalled never did ask their believers to suicide actually,practically we study about the Muslim culture,religion,so on and so forth here at school,it's part of history.From what I remember,I remembered my teacher said that in the Quran,the wahyu Allah sent said that suiciding was something illegal,I might have remember wrong.Jihad is only launched when Muslims are oppressed,I recalled a country where Muslims,have some call 'semangat jihad' it's actually like a strong feeling for their race of some kind.I seriously do not believe Jihad had anything to do with suiciding.I believe those who did it had however lost faith in God,weak-minded or may be they atheist,you'll never know right?
See its and interesting twist. A true martyr is someone who dies defending their faith or the right to exercise their faith. These poor souls have been twisted into beleiving that that is exactly what they are doing. The people doing the twisting are either power-seekers or insane in the clinical sense.
I don't think the problem is religion. No religion teaches you to kill others whether it is moderate or extreme.
I believe its due more to their living conditions. It is natural when people would not kill themselves if their living well. Like how communism work in poverty. Despracy pushes them.
Their will to do it probably comes from their culture. Muslim communities tend be more tightly knitted than others, and may feel they do good for the rest if they bomb "unwanted people"
Stupid yet funny.