I have no issues with homosexuality personally. I'm not a lesbian, but it
doesn't bother me if two guys or two girls want to get it on.
I have two friends who have been going out for ages and while sure they can be a
little overdramatic they've never seemed different to any hetero-couple.
Besides the spartans were homosexual and there's many reports from ancient grece
and rome of gay affairs. Really I don't think its anything to be afraid of or
worry about.
And before anyone says anything yes I HAVE been hit on by someone of the same
sex, and you just treat it like it was any other person of the opposite sex
interested.
Its all dependant on your own personal beliefs. If your religion dictates its
wrong, you'll most likely believe its wrong. If you don't have any personal
problems with it, then you won't mind it.
In my opinion:
My religious beliefs say its wrong in the eyes of God, however... it doesn't
bother me since I've seen it in nature and I have many friends who are wonderful
people and who are homosexual/bisexual/transexual/transgendered... and I'm fine
with that. They're wonderful people and should be treated as such.
The question should almost be:
Homosexuality: Unnatural or natural... and in that case, since its in nature and
there are genetic reasons for it too... then its already an awnsered question,
yes it is natural in that sense.
Anyway... Males generally are scared of homosexuals. It's reasonable.
Psychologists suggest that the whole Italian football is based on fear of
homosexual rape. Represented by the act of scoring a goal. That's why players
really, really have a subconscious motivation to play better. Weird, isn't
it?
I think that one should not care about other people's bedrooms. But in turn,
they should not emancipate too much in the public. Such things are private, and
should stay that way.
In my opinion, it all depends on the person. Whether we like it or not, we can't
change a person. If a person is homosexual, it's none of our business.
=D
Quote by oudoroboureligiously it's
wrong, but i'm not religious. so i don't care.
Actually that's wholly dependant upon which religion you're talking about, as
there are those that do not claim that homosexuality is wrong. Those that do are
the three largest ones in the west [christianity, islam, and judasim] given that
these three share the same roots, similar attitudes aren't surprising.
Given the people I consider friends, it would be a bit strange if I had problems
with any possible form of relationship. If I did then I would end up with about
five friends [actually giving it thought probably less].
For those who claim that any form of sexuality than heterosexual monogamy is
abnormal, I have to say take a look at the studies of rats in overpopulated
conditions.
I say, let them do as they wish.
It's their lif, if they want to have relations with the same sex, let them.
In the end, they have to deal with it.
I've already spoken about this on another forum around here, so I'll just wrap
it up.
Personally, I think that it's okay.
If they want to deal with being like that, they can go for it.
No one else should care either way, because it's not them.
Nobody can change the way anyone else is.
It's just another case of individuality blown out of proportion, because people
always have to have an opinion whether it's how they really feel or not.
Quote by sammothere was a big discussion
about the validity of homosexualism in one of the forum i usually go and
check...so how bout it? is homosexualism right or wrong? and please, let's not
flame...let's just have a civilized debate, ok?
personally, i think homosexualism is wrong. its not that i hate them, but i
think it is just plain wrong; i think the people who think people can't help
being gay is in a world that is too romantic for the current idealogical world.
not is it morally wrong, it also defies the the autonomy of nature. for those
proponents of homosexualism, do you want YOUR kids to be gay too?
Moral valuation is strictly based on Religious & Personal values.
To define what is right and what is wrong would be subjective(individualistic,
and therefore any collective validation isn't any right then of the
individual).
Also animals have demonstrated homosexual tendencies when population densities
and other social factors go into consideration.
So to flat out say either its right or wrong because each other's morals are
different and are in constant competition.
Flat out it can be the animal way of compensating for the high population of our
human communities, if some become homosexual, biologically speaking they will
not have children, and therefore make the population issue get any
worse.
Homosexuality used to be considered a mental disorder. in fact, it was written
in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (the holy book of psychology)...but the
latest version omits homosexuality in its list of mental illnesses.
what does that tell us? to be objective, homosexuality is not recognized as an
abnormality nor a disorder. it't not even a crime, as no law prohobits
homosexualiy in almost all nations.
homosexuality in itself is not wrong (still being objective here, using
scientific and legal bases). what makes it look wrong are the negative traits
that homosexuals MAY display-- lack of decorum and propriety, for one.
If a man loves another man because of curiosity,or immaturity,or other selfish
reasons,that s not good.If it s something mature and that man sees something
special in the other,something deep,then it s good.
Preferences of the same sex is not really a big deal that should be argued
about. As long as the couple is not doing anything harmful and obscene to others
they should be understood too.
Nevertheless, the world's just too young to accept the deviation. Homos should
also be able to realize that. Display of endearments between these couples must
be put to a minimum in public, if can't be stopped at all. Sorry but at this age
it's simply disturbing and intolerable to the straight's eyes.
Quote by NoctumThey shall do like they
want and I shall do like I want.
It's all about free will.
I agree. if they want to be with a same sex, go for it. as long as i don't get
hurt or anything. wut right do i have to separate people who love each other
dearly?
hmm, this is a hard topic and I think it's hard to say unless you're bi, lol. I
am a straight person myself so I don't really understand the minds of
homeosexual people.
I have nothing against them and since love can come at anytime and anywhere,
loving someone you just met, even with the same gender, isn't that rare. So
yeah, everyone have the freedom to love whomever they want to.
The thing is, is homosexuality something in our genetic make-up or is it
something we develop on our own? I've known some who got it from their
environment (family, society, friends, etc.) so I'm not exactly sure where this
is coming from and if it belong to the whole psychologic things or just in our
genes (mutants --> abnormal characteristics/abilities)....
Whatever the case, if it's all belong to the mental mind and they can control it
or if it's just for some reasons that have nothing to do with their heart and
love, I'd say that homosexuality is wrong. On the other hand, if it's something
that is who they are, I wouldn't oppose gay people at all. True, it goes beyond
my comprehension but unless I understand it, I won't judge it.
I encourage homosexuality because
a) less competition for me
b) it helps lower the population growth
c) it's none of my business
I can find nothing wrong with homosexuality
I have read/skimmed about 12 pages argument. I'll be pretty straightforward with
everything I have to say. Sorry it's long.
Favourite quote:
Quote by ShinjiIkari32
This is like posting "Black people. Right or wrong?"
Seriously people, pull your heads out of your ass.
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Quote by Sanzyuryu
hmm, homosexuality is harmful to the body; besides the obvious destruction to
the male anatomy, it breaks down the immune system. So should we say that
homosexuality is wrong because it is self destructive to those who practice
it?
Is "love" destroying your partener's body?
It seems you are talking about male homosexuals. And from what I can tell, you
are against it.
I have to say (and this goes to others that share the same reasoning) that it is
not only homosexual males that preform anal sex. And before I go even further on
the subject, it's not like EVERY dang male likes it up the arsenal. There's
always the other hole. Anyways, anal sex can be preformed by any kind of couple
(straight and homosexual).
Quote by ShiniIkari32
I mean, a pedofile can say they "love" the children that they molest.
We can say that the children need have a choice in the matter, that their free
will is being impinged. Ok, well a grandfather can say he loves his 21 year old
grandson, and then grandson can choose to have a homosexual relationship with
his grandfather; does that make their relationship right?
Quote by ShiniIkari32
I mean, that same thing could be applied to heterosexuals, a grandmother having
sex with her 18 year old grandson. It is wrong, period.
Incest is pretty rare, but it isn't unheard of. I tried to understand it, but
marrying my brother isn't exactly something I'd like to do. But it's a person's
choice, I guess. All I have to wonder is what leads to it. Your comparison to
grandmothers/grandfathers to their grandchildren, I have to admit is... very
extreme.
Being a pedophile is against the law. So the relationship being homosexual or
heterosexual doesn't matter at this point. It is also a completely different
argument.
Quote by ShinjiIKari32
Free will leads to doing whatever you want, killing people, whatever... it
cannot be the definition of what is right. So just because two people choose to
do something mutually to each others bodies, that cannot be the line that
separates right and wrong.
Quote by ShinjiIkari32
The fact of the matter is, that if we have this measuring line based on what is
harmful, we have to condemn homosexuality. As well we have to condemn a parent
spanking their children. Or even more extreme, we have to condemn the death
sentence.
You're forgetting that these two people choose to do something mutually to each others bodies. That's their
personal life. Let them do what they wish. It's only considered wrong when
someone is forced to do something.
I believe you've taken the concept of free will too far. Everyone has common
sense. The law can't ban everything that is considered 'wrong.' It's like making
not breathing, and bad manners illegal.
Quote by Oykotinim
And don't think I forgot about my fellow Christians.
How dare you rebuke such an act without showing the love and compassion of Jesus
Christ as He commands?
Christians have approached this issue with anger, and hatred, and so have the
gays.
The difference is that one is allow to hate, but as Christians, we are not allowed to
hate.
Well said.
Although, I do have to say that your sarcasm towards other people's comments is
bothersome. Sarcasm is a horrible thing to use during arguments. I find that it
just fuels anger and leads to longer and more heated debates.
Quote by SAGO... and no, adopting a child is
out of the question because it isn't the fruit of their genes which can only be
accomplished when both Male and Female have intercourse. Society seems
...
Out of the question? If the world were based on this, I'm sure the world would
have to deal with millions of billions of people because they don't have any
family. You should realize that many couples - straight and gay - cannot have
children, and do turn to adoption agencies. Others may just do it because
they're just kind and compassionate people.
Quote by Vagrant123
Emotions aren't logical, but they are evolutionary traits. Anger is good at
scaring an opponent and increasing battle endurance and strength. Fear is a
...
You sound like a very practical person.
Quote by emily85
Homosexuality is harmful coz some additional disabling struggles that are
regularly associated with homosexuality is alcohol & drug abuse, depression
& suicidal tendencies, as homosexuals eventually discover that they can't
escape the fact that homosexuality fails to satisfy their hungry souls (Archives
of General Psychiatry 48, Feb. 1991, p.127; Comprehensive Psychiatry34, May/June
1993, p.154; The Gay Report by K. Jay and A. Young, p.728). (i included
references coz i believe we shouldnt make any claims without evidence)
You should be aware that if homosexuals weren't so discriminated they wouldn't
turn to alcohol, drug abuse, face depression and have suicidal tendencies. And
that hunger? Probably their hunger for acceptance.
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Personal opinion:
I'm pretty cool with homosexuality. I like men, and I am obviously (hopefully)
female. I wouldn't care if a person were homosexual. I'd just treat them as
another person.
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Other comments to unquoted
opinions:
Someone mentioned something about homosexuality being taught to children as
alright. Sexuality isn't seriously taught to anyone at school until they've
become teenagers - which I have to say is a good age to start teaching
it.
Someone also said that because homosexuality was taught to such a young age
group, that more people have been experimenting with their sexuality. Of course
this is completely normal, but at such a young age like 11, I'd have to say that
such an age is way to early.
But children becoming pregnant, and sex? Kids shouldn't even know about that
stuff yet. Sex should be a foreign word. If a child has sex, of all dang things,
I would have to blame it on their parents. What the hell are they exposing and
teaching to their child/children?
EDIT: There was also some mentioning about lesbians being 'okay', but malexmale
was wrong. People who have said this need a smack on the head. Homosexuality is
homosexuality. These people obviously watch too much porn.
I have no issues with homosexuality personally. I'm not a lesbian, but it doesn't bother me if two guys or two girls want to get it on.
I have two friends who have been going out for ages and while sure they can be a little overdramatic they've never seemed different to any hetero-couple.
Besides the spartans were homosexual and there's many reports from ancient grece and rome of gay affairs. Really I don't think its anything to be afraid of or worry about.
And before anyone says anything yes I HAVE been hit on by someone of the same sex, and you just treat it like it was any other person of the opposite sex interested.
This topic isn't serious.....
Homosexual right or wrong? This question it's about '80 or '90 :S
It's a perfect sexual election.
PD: Back to the future jajajajajaja
whats wrong with love in any form.
Its all dependant on your own personal beliefs. If your religion dictates its wrong, you'll most likely believe its wrong. If you don't have any personal problems with it, then you won't mind it.
In my opinion:
My religious beliefs say its wrong in the eyes of God, however... it doesn't bother me since I've seen it in nature and I have many friends who are wonderful people and who are homosexual/bisexual/transexual/transgendered... and I'm fine with that. They're wonderful people and should be treated as such.
The question should almost be:
Homosexuality: Unnatural or natural... and in that case, since its in nature and there are genetic reasons for it too... then its already an awnsered question, yes it is natural in that sense.
@yothsothgoth: Your avatar tells us everything
Anyway... Males generally are scared of homosexuals. It's reasonable. Psychologists suggest that the whole Italian football is based on fear of homosexual rape. Represented by the act of scoring a goal. That's why players really, really have a subconscious motivation to play better. Weird, isn't it?
I think that one should not care about other people's bedrooms. But in turn, they should not emancipate too much in the public. Such things are private, and should stay that way.
In my opinion, it all depends on the person. Whether we like it or not, we can't change a person. If a person is homosexual, it's none of our business. =D
Love just moves in mysterious ways
religiously it's wrong, but i'm not religious. so i don't care.
Actually that's wholly dependant upon which religion you're talking about, as there are those that do not claim that homosexuality is wrong. Those that do are the three largest ones in the west [christianity, islam, and judasim] given that these three share the same roots, similar attitudes aren't surprising.
Given the people I consider friends, it would be a bit strange if I had problems with any possible form of relationship. If I did then I would end up with about five friends [actually giving it thought probably less].
For those who claim that any form of sexuality than heterosexual monogamy is abnormal, I have to say take a look at the studies of rats in overpopulated conditions.
I say, let them do as they wish.
It's their lif, if they want to have relations with the same sex, let them.
In the end, they have to deal with it.
I've already spoken about this on another forum around here, so I'll just wrap it up.
Personally, I think that it's okay.
If they want to deal with being like that, they can go for it.
No one else should care either way, because it's not them.
Nobody can change the way anyone else is.
It's just another case of individuality blown out of proportion, because people always have to have an opinion whether it's how they really feel or not.
Wrong...
But...
I agree with DJ-of-E
No!
Sick and wrong!
Oi...
Moral valuation is strictly based on Religious & Personal values.
To define what is right and what is wrong would be subjective(individualistic, and therefore any collective validation isn't any right then of the individual).
Also animals have demonstrated homosexual tendencies when population densities and other social factors go into consideration.
So to flat out say either its right or wrong because each other's morals are different and are in constant competition.
Flat out it can be the animal way of compensating for the high population of our human communities, if some become homosexual, biologically speaking they will not have children, and therefore make the population issue get any worse.
Homosexuality used to be considered a mental disorder. in fact, it was written in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (the holy book of psychology)...but the latest version omits homosexuality in its list of mental illnesses.
what does that tell us? to be objective, homosexuality is not recognized as an abnormality nor a disorder. it't not even a crime, as no law prohobits homosexualiy in almost all nations.
homosexuality in itself is not wrong (still being objective here, using scientific and legal bases). what makes it look wrong are the negative traits that homosexuals MAY display-- lack of decorum and propriety, for one.
Well, I think it's wrong..but I don't despise them or anything like that.
totally wrong! Man must love a woman!
nope,I don`t think it was right.It was a wrong thing and god may get a wraith from the god
If a man loves another man because of curiosity,or immaturity,or other selfish reasons,that s not good.If it s something mature and that man sees something special in the other,something deep,then it s good.
Preferences of the same sex is not really a big deal that should be argued about. As long as the couple is not doing anything harmful and obscene to others they should be understood too.
Nevertheless, the world's just too young to accept the deviation. Homos should also be able to realize that. Display of endearments between these couples must be put to a minimum in public, if can't be stopped at all. Sorry but at this age it's simply disturbing and intolerable to the straight's eyes.
I agree. if they want to be with a same sex, go for it. as long as i don't get hurt or anything. wut right do i have to separate people who love each other dearly?
hmm, this is a hard topic and I think it's hard to say unless you're bi, lol. I am a straight person myself so I don't really understand the minds of homeosexual people.
I have nothing against them and since love can come at anytime and anywhere, loving someone you just met, even with the same gender, isn't that rare. So yeah, everyone have the freedom to love whomever they want to.
The thing is, is homosexuality something in our genetic make-up or is it something we develop on our own? I've known some who got it from their environment (family, society, friends, etc.) so I'm not exactly sure where this is coming from and if it belong to the whole psychologic things or just in our genes (mutants --> abnormal characteristics/abilities)....
Whatever the case, if it's all belong to the mental mind and they can control it or if it's just for some reasons that have nothing to do with their heart and love, I'd say that homosexuality is wrong. On the other hand, if it's something that is who they are, I wouldn't oppose gay people at all. True, it goes beyond my comprehension but unless I understand it, I won't judge it.
I encourage homosexuality because
a) less competition for me
b) it helps lower the population growth
c) it's none of my business
I can find nothing wrong with homosexuality
Not right. Not wrong. Just 'is' and 'are'. Homosexualism is. People are.
I have read/skimmed about 12 pages argument. I'll be pretty straightforward with everything I have to say. Sorry it's long.
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It seems you are talking about male homosexuals. And from what I can tell, you are against it.
I have to say (and this goes to others that share the same reasoning) that it is not only homosexual males that preform anal sex. And before I go even further on the subject, it's not like EVERY dang male likes it up the arsenal. There's always the other hole. Anyways, anal sex can be preformed by any kind of couple (straight and homosexual).
Incest is pretty rare, but it isn't unheard of. I tried to understand it, but marrying my brother isn't exactly something I'd like to do. But it's a person's choice, I guess. All I have to wonder is what leads to it. Your comparison to grandmothers/grandfathers to their grandchildren, I have to admit is... very extreme.
Being a pedophile is against the law. So the relationship being homosexual or heterosexual doesn't matter at this point. It is also a completely different argument.
You're forgetting that these two people choose to do something mutually to each others bodies. That's their personal life. Let them do what they wish. It's only considered wrong when someone is forced to do something.
I believe you've taken the concept of free will too far. Everyone has common sense. The law can't ban everything that is considered 'wrong.' It's like making not breathing, and bad manners illegal.
Well said.
Although, I do have to say that your sarcasm towards other people's comments is bothersome. Sarcasm is a horrible thing to use during arguments. I find that it just fuels anger and leads to longer and more heated debates.
Out of the question? If the world were based on this, I'm sure the world would have to deal with millions of billions of people because they don't have any family. You should realize that many couples - straight and gay - cannot have children, and do turn to adoption agencies. Others may just do it because they're just kind and compassionate people.
You sound like a very practical person.
You should be aware that if homosexuals weren't so discriminated they wouldn't turn to alcohol, drug abuse, face depression and have suicidal tendencies. And that hunger? Probably their hunger for acceptance.
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Personal opinion:
I'm pretty cool with homosexuality. I like men, and I am obviously (hopefully) female. I wouldn't care if a person were homosexual. I'd just treat them as another person.
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Other comments to unquoted opinions:
Someone mentioned something about homosexuality being taught to children as alright. Sexuality isn't seriously taught to anyone at school until they've become teenagers - which I have to say is a good age to start teaching it.
Someone also said that because homosexuality was taught to such a young age group, that more people have been experimenting with their sexuality. Of course this is completely normal, but at such a young age like 11, I'd have to say that such an age is way to early.
But children becoming pregnant, and sex? Kids shouldn't even know about that stuff yet. Sex should be a foreign word. If a child has sex, of all dang things, I would have to blame it on their parents. What the hell are they exposing and teaching to their child/children?
EDIT: There was also some mentioning about lesbians being 'okay', but malexmale was wrong. People who have said this need a smack on the head. Homosexuality is homosexuality. These people obviously watch too much porn.