Quote: -God created everything, that means the devil too.

wrong conclusion..

Quote: And what makes the atheists unhappy? You dont know if they are, you dont know if religion would make them any happier either. You are putting people into categories and diagnosing them for their beliefs, even though you do not know every single atheist or religious person. Anyways, basically any sort of categorizing of people because of their beliefs or ethnicity is stereotype.

it depends on what cause they happy.

Quote: The bible does not, however, predict anything we can test or see with our senses.

the bible does, that's how the historians use bible to find sumthing^^

Quote: -So tell me, what problems did you face that sent you to christianity? Were you born into that religion?

yep, i wasnt believe at that time.

Quote: Heaven and hell was just someones fantasy it never existed never believe anything religion speaks off, its only an act of control. And God isnt who you consider him to be.

can u prove that it isnt exist? some of people who were in apparent death saw the heaven.

Please do your research before posting about heaven and hell and religion doesnt add up. Its quiet obvious I dont need to prove anything just researched more.

wrong conclusion..

-How so?

it depends on what cause they happy.

-Yes, but you dont know.

yep, i wasnt believe at that time.

-k, that doesnt totaly answer my question.

the bible does, that's how the historians use bible to find sumthing^^

-Such as?

can u prove that it isnt exist? some of people who were in apparent death saw the heaven.

-Or were hallucinating as the acid released upon death begins to eat at your brain. Its easier to prove something than disprove it. What could stop me from saying that a flying spaghetti monster created the world? You couldnt disprove me either.

the devil actually one of His angel that isnt obey Him-it's Lucifer. but angels cant create evrything if God doesnt want them to.

Quote: -Such as?

God's prophets' boat, historical building, some documents, etc. not only historians but scientist too. like, why the bible tells us not to eat pork? then they began their research

why all of them were hallucinating bout heaven? why all of them saw their death-families there?
lol. people that use their too-much ego wont let anyone else wins, althought they know that other's rite. maybe if u could see God now u would juzt saying that it's kind of hallucinating. if i cant make u believe God but God wants u to know that He's exist, He'll find another people who's a good talker. wutever happens next, God's watching u now n forever. u'd regret if u refused God at the end, so as long as u have time now, plz find God b4 it's too late. good luck n God Bless You ^^

yeah.I`m belive in heaven and hell.

that's really hard to say to a guy who doesn't regret much. if god does exist and i was to stand before him, i'd tell him flat out i don't regret not believing in his existance. sure there are times i regretted stuff, but not enough to make me be afraid of making mistakes. humans ain't perfect. if they were, they'd be like god. hell, even angels aren't perfect. look at satan and other fallen angels. besides, if god wanted to us to worship him, he would've made us subservient beings like angels. he has no right to send us all to hell for not believing in him. if anything, living a good life with committing as little sin as possible should be good enough to get us into heaven. and maybe having faith in something.

I also believe that there is such a thing as heaven and hell but as previous posts said a state of mind or being.

As for you priincess, answer this, did God create us to believe in him or did we humans create God so we have something to believe in?

Quote: humans ain't perfect

humans can be perfect bcoz God's perfect.if we werent, then God's lie

Quote: he has no right to send us all to hell for not believing in him

u also have no right to said that. we're His child, we've to serve Him. God allows us to live but it doesnt mean that we can do anything we like-that's an egoistical. we've to follow His rules, bcoz the thing is we're His servant! dont deny it unless u dont want ur life.

Quote: did God create us to believe in him or did we humans create God so we have something to believe in?

to believe, to trust n to serve, bcoz the fact is we're the servant of God.

my question need not be answered... T.T. It was a rhetorical question.

How are you so sure that we are the servants of god? There is no physical proof that He created us as is aside from the Bible which in itself inconclusive as to how he created us.

To question his teachings only means you are aware instead of a mindless follower of an ancient belief.

if humans were perfect, then why did adam sin? then why do we sin? then how come we're not godly beings? how come we're subservient beings if we're so perfect? if anything, god is a parent figure. we don't have to worship him if we don't want to. why do you think he gave us free will? if anything, i'll respect like i do my parents. that's all there is to it. and how is doing what we feel like egotistical? if we weren't allowed to do so, why would god create us the way he did? he gave us the freedom, so why not enjoy it? it's not like he'll send a person to hell for enjoying himself a little every now and then even though the person's a devout.

Quote: How are you so sure that we are the servants of god?

the bible says that.

Quote: if humans were perfect, then why did adam sin? then why do we sin?

we CAN BE perfect if we want to- being perfect is do anything He asks us.

Quote: if anything, god is a parent figure. we don't have to worship him if we don't want to.

we've to bcoz He's our God. if a good person recieves what he asked to God then, without u ask him to, he'll praise the Lord. but althought when he doesnt recieve anything but He has to suffer first, he'll not complain but still praise the Lord. that's the power of faith ^^ this one God will give him more than He asks. same as the world right, if u do hard works, there would be price for it

Quote: why do you think he gave us free will?

God gives u free will means He lets u do anything u want but u've to pay what u've done in ur afterlife. if God didnt give us free will, we'd be the same as robots-dont have feelings, cant do anything we want to.

Quote: if anything, i'll respect like i do my parents. that's all there is to it.

He's greater than our parents bcoz parents make mistakes but He doesnt.

Quote: if we weren't allowed to do so, why would god create us the way he did? he gave us the freedom, so why not enjoy it?

bcoz He gives us life in this world to prepare for life in another 'world'. He doesnt give us life so that we can juzt enjoy n having fun, but we've a lot of works to do, it means to do what He asks. n by the devil that can persuade u, the job is more difficult than ever. but it wont be so hard if u become the children of God that's so close to Him, bcoz He'd show u the right way, so that we wouldnt find any difficult roads. n althought ur faith is only as big as a seed-not much of us have it now- by praying n trust Him, He'll give u what u need. ask Him n He'll give. trust it ^^ bcoz i did n He always give-but dont ask for bad things.

n those r good questions, oudorobou X)

so you mean you act as Bible dictates? You see that's the problem with most people like you who are extremely devoted to their religion. You become enclosed solely on the teachings of a book which renders the practicality of free will seem like nonsense. The book you revere has hundreds of flaws and one in general is its contradicting statements.

Quote: so you mean you act as Bible dictates?

as my Father & my Savior asks, we dont mind. for God already kept us from bad things, sent His Son to erase our sins, n if He already erased it but u still do sins, that's so mean.

Hebrew 5:7 Who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 Called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek,"

Quote: The book you revere has hundreds of flaws and one in general is its contradicting statements.

which part? o. O

read these:
3 John 1:13I have much to write you, but I do not want to do so with pen and ink. 14i hope to see you soon, and we will talk face to face.
Peace to you. The friends here send their greetings. Greet the friends there by name.

>that proves if the Bible is from letters; which were collected become like a book, n it's a historical book, not fantasy

i'm a true believer... but i'm not too sure about heaven and hell... it's right that the spirit's realm is real, but could we call it heaven or hell? there's no evidence bout heaven and hell....
if someone could give me some evidence, then i believe (not the bible plz..) if not, then i will ony believe in the real world and spirit's realm....

Quote: it's right that the spirit's realm is real, but could we call it heaven or hell? there's no evidence bout heaven and hell....

yes bcoz the Bible mentions it. for evidence, there were many of people that were in apparent death had seen their family to go to heaven, but they refused it, so they can still alive till now

you know priincess i have read most of the Bible thoroughly and have interpreted most of it into more factual events and understood most of its teachings and there i have read that after you die you do not directly go to heaven or hell. we have to wait for the return of christ. meaning what you say that at apparent death they see their family go to heaven is false.

i got nothing against you priincess, but you rely on the bible way too much. and i don't trust the testimonies of humans. for all we know, they could've been delusional or under some kind of negative influence like drugs. or might have not been sane at the moment either. there is no concrete proof that these people have seen heaven, hell, or other spiritualities. like i said previously, humans aren't perfect. no living being is perfect. even god himself is not perfect. if he was, he could've prevented the rebellion led by lucifer if he wanted. but he didn't. he could've also prevented adam from sinning and stopped the world's suffering. but he didn't prevent that one either. if anything, people just created a god to have explanations for the impossible, to have faith in something when times are bad, and to have control over the believers' lives. but that's just an opinion. and i'll bet you'll have a rebuttal for this one with a direct quote from the bible, won't you priincess? hahaha

Point of clarification oudorobou.

God let Lucifer rebel so there will be someone to handle the darkness. He let Adam sin and leave paradise so he could see how we humans can stand on our own without him.

You see I believe in a theory that says: If a good creator is to make something that lives, he should put it in an environment where it can live and thrive on its own without the creator ever interfering.

i think that there is a heaven and a hell. I think that life would suck if you think other wise.... um but whatever o_o

meh. wouldn't it be worse if heaven and hell existed? especially for the people who end up going to hell?

Quote: we have to wait for the return of christ

i know that, but at the end, He'll judge us.

Quote: meaning what you say that at apparent death they see their family go to heaven is false.

when people die, they r walking in a darkness with no end, until the end of time when God starts to judge us. i mean, their family r in that way, n if someone didnt refuse his family's hand, his soul would come to that way too, n at that time, he's die.

Quote: i got nothing against you priincess, but you rely on the bible way too much. and i don't trust the testimonies of humans

well bcoz we know they arent under the effect of drugs, so some of people can believe that miracle _-

Quote: even god himself is not perfect. if he was, he could've prevented the rebellion led by lucifer if he wanted.

no bcoz He wants that happened, so that the devil can test us.

Quote: if anything, people just created a god to have explanations for the impossible,

how bout all the christians who are saved bcoz their prays to God? Bible itself is a proof that God's exist, n all the prophets or people at that time, like Abraham, Moses, John, Judas, or those emperors that judged Jesus, etc. do u mean they arent real? the Bible also mention about the nonbelievers that would against the believers. n the prophets keep telling in their letters to read it n also spread it so all the people could be saved before it's too late. bcoz at that time there were no tv or phone, of course they spread His lesson by writing in letters. n if they can spread the Bible to the world, of course the government at that time know how important it is, n believe it also. bcoz at that time many people that didnt believe called them a liar n tried to kill them. but after Jesus n some prophets show them His powers, they become a believer too. so all the people can accept the Bible. there r also proofs that the Bible is true, like the boat that the prophets used for fishing, or the hundred names from the prophets' family- if it's juzt a book, no need to mention it- if u dont know the history, dont speak.

Quote: He let Adam sin

the thing is, Adam let himself to be persuaded by the devil, althought God warned him to.

history? history is just a person's memory written on paper. and memories aren't all the reliable either. one person can say something happened and another person who was at the same event can say otherwise. also, there are gaps to be considered. the person may not remember it clearly or doesn't remember it at all. also, how do you know they weren't under some kind of influence? did they say it themselves? was it not possible they were lying and only said it get attention? and isn't it more egotistical of you to say that if i don't know history, i shouldn't talk? did jesus himself not say be more accepting? if anything, you are more proud than i will ever be. so proud, that you'll be blinded by your faith even when the answer is right in front of you. i can understand about having faith, but you speak like a fanatic and an extremist. i can imagine you walking on the streets, telling hookers that they will burn in hell for prostitution even though some of them are just trying to feed themselves because of misfortunes in their life.

Quote: ? history is just a person's memory written on paper. and memories aren't all the reliable either.

history is a fact written on paper. if person's memory it can be a dream or story.

Quote: the person may not remember it clearly or doesn't remember it at all.

do u know why the prophets who wrote in letters, not Jesus Himself? how can we trust the Bible then? it was God who guided all the prophets in their writing, n all the prophets in different time can wrote juzt the same-or similar- about God. n whoever added or change it will get hard punishments.

Quote: was it not possible they were lying and only said it get attention?

can u asks the government to lie to? there r proofs that they believe, so they accept n give to worldwide.

Quote: that if i don't know history, i shouldn't talk

u arent juzt talk but saying wrong things about God.

Quote: i can understand about having faith, but you speak like a fanatic and an extremist.

it's written in the Bible itself that Christians r extremist n it's ok bcoz u're not goin to do anything bad about being fanatic for God.

Quote: are just trying to feed themselves because of misfortunes in their life.

do u release a robber juzt bcoz he cant eat? there a better ways than rob people, n there r always right ways to solve problems, but they who cant see it r blind. God doesnt let His children to be tempted above their abilities. for every problems we've to trust n pray for Him, He'll solve the problems for u. n that's why i always sad thinking the people who doesnt believe in God..yet.. ( for people who have much faith will cry for the people who doesnt believe God bcoz nonbelievers dont know what are their goals of life, n what they do is juzt wasting time) n im so glad that God came to me before i die, bcoz by that i can understand what's the meaning of my life n i know what to do now. u must realize that before ur time's up. God Bless U. Amen

James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man supose that he will receive anything from the Lord.

Quote: it's written in the Bible itself that Christians r extremist n it's ok bcoz u're not goin to do anything bad about being fanatic for God.

Don't you think it depends on the level of extremism?
Cause if case if you haven't noticed, there are many extremists out there doing all sorts of things that I'm pretty sure God won't approve of.