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i've noticed that in a lot of movies and books, the hardcore religious fanatics and those who believe that armageddon is coming always say the same things: "repent or else go to hell for the world is ending." also, they're always prepared to die and don't do anything to fight it. that really annoys me. how can people just stand there and preach? why is it that they're so ready to die? isn't that pretty much the same thing as committing suicide? what's up with that? what if it's not a natural occurrence? what if it's aliens who wage war against us? fuck that shit. i'd die trying to fight them off. forget the hippies. forget the people who just stand on street corners with cardboard signs saying "the end is come, repent". forget the people who think they can compromise in a war. jesus says turn the other cheek. ha. if god wanted to annihilate the human race, let him. if it's from a unnatural natural disaster like a meteor storm, i'll gladly accept that. i have no power against a meteor that has the ability to destory everything like a nuke. i can try to live through a hurricane or a tornado. those are probable to survive through. aliens? monsters? demons? supernatural beings and such, i'd fight them till i either survive or die. i refuse to just accept fate. people who believe in such things are either irresponsible or weak in my opinion. they can die in the mud for all i care. me? i want a warriors death: to die in the heat of battle.

I agree with you. Totally agree. And that's not a warrior's death (or maybe yes?); that's a hero's death.

I think you need to stop taking purely fictional movies so damn seriously.

I think what he said was awesome! I'd go the same way too please... with fries.....

Quote: why is it that they're so ready to die?

dead isnt always a bad thing rite? what negative thinking on u to have a question like that? if we dead for Jesus, there were always a good things would come to u.

Quote: i'd fight them till i either survive or die. i refuse to just accept fate. people who believe in such things are either irresponsible or weak in my opinion. they can die in the mud for all i care. me? i want a warriors death: to die in the heat of battle.

fight for the man who have faith is the real fight, not by killing to solve a problem. that's stupid, actually, for fighting to survive-what's that? u'd juzt make a larger war.

Quote by priincess dead isnt always a bad thing rite? what negative thinking on u to have a question like that? if we dead for Jesus, there were always a good things would come to u.

Let me re-phrase this in something one can understand a bit better.

Quote by priincess " Death is not always a bad thing. Why would you have such negative thoughts? If we died for Jesus, Heaven is all that awaits us."

Your beliefs are not shared by everyone, priincess. I certainly would not die for Jesus or anyone for that matter except those whom I love dearly. That does not include a spiritual being.

Quote by priincess fight for the man who have faith is the real fight, not by killing to solve a problem. that's stupid, actually, for fighting to survive-what's that? u'd juzt make a larger war.

Re-phrasing with proper English commencing.

Quote by priincess The real fight is the fight of the TRUE faith. Killing solves no problems. Its stupid to kill for your own survival; you would end up continuing the cycle of violence and making a bigger war.

What you are saying is essentially a denial of the right to life to all living beings. This means you are denouncing your own right to live and I have every right to exterminate you. Any sane living being will fight for its own survival. If you truly believed the garbage you just wrote, please go throw yourself off the Empire State Building.

Quote: . I certainly would not die for Jesus or anyone for that matter except those whom I love dearly.

God loves us since b4 we were born n bcoz Jesus has died to erase our sins so we must love Him. u juzt couldnt see the facts yet.

Quote: This means you are denouncing your own right to live and I have every right to exterminate you.

not juzt my own right.

Quote: If you truly believed the garbage you just wrote, please go throw yourself off the Empire State Building.

evryone in this world would safe althought u threw urself off if u believe His power. but not just believe, if we dont do what He asks, it means we dont believe Him yet.

Quote: Any sane living being will fight for its own survival.

what kind of fight? believe God betweeen this sinful world also is a fight bcoz it isnt easy as u think. with this situation, u r lose before know the truth _-

look, if u know nothing bout God, how come u know that there's no God? u'd better just silent than making fake facts ^^

Quote by priincess not juzt my own right.

So you would denounce the right to life of other beings on this planet? What authority do you have to deny the right to life as written here;

Every human being has the inherent right to life. This right shall be protected by law. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.  

—Article 6.1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

Quote by priincess evryone in this world would safe althought u threw urself off if u believe His power. but not just believe, if we dont do what He asks, it means we dont believe Him yet.

People do not necessarily believe what you believe. Get over yourself.

Quote by priincess what kind of fight? believe God betweeen this sinful world also is a fight bcoz it isnt easy as u think. with this situation, u r lose before know the truth _-

One fights for one's own existence when one's life is threatened. How hard is that to understand?

If the world is so bad that you want to die and join God, then please, why are you not dead yet?

Quote by priincess look, if u know nothing bout God, how come u know that there's no God? u'd better just silent than making fake facts ^^

YOU prove to me God exists. I don't have to prove anything. Just because you may believe you are a chicken does not make you a chicken... unless you laid some eggs because that would be something else all together.

sorry to say, but you sorta sound like a nazi priincess. i mean i can understand having faith in one's religion but saying that people should be ready to die for it sounds like something the hardcore muslim extremists/terrorists would say. and seriously, don't take this thread seriously. i haven't slept in 3 days and i was watching independence along with other armageddon type movies before i fell asleep. hahaha. ah, by the way. i'm sure a god or a higher beging exists. just not the god. it's also quite possible the god of all the other monotheistic religions are the same person. just has a different name.

In my opinion, I'd pray for a zombie invasion... or something else I'd be likely to survive. XD Alien invasion... that'd just plain suck. We'd lose. I'd probably try to go out trying to take out as many evil aliens as I could, but I doubt I'd get far with their death rays and whatnot. I'm religious, but not a fanatic. That's some crazy people right there with killing of others in the name of religion. Its not right and people should be put away for being nuts like that.

Anyways, so onto the religious "repent or go to hell". There are so many religions/sects like that I probably can't count them on my fingers and toes put together. That's just the way they are. If you're not worried about it, oh well... and you go on with your life and ignore them if you want to. Just try to be respectful to them as you would anyone else. ^^ They're just there to convert others, especially if it were the end of days. If you really it and see it from their point of view: God will either rapture them up, they'll die and go to heaven and not have to worry about things anymore, they'll be happy after the evil is purged from the world... those who believe like that see the end as a time of happiness/fear/repentance and they probably just want others to not be condemned since that's where they believe the nonbelievers will go. That's it. Plain and simple. I can see how in their eyes, they're trying to help others not go to hell. Its up to you to either listen or not.

The "turn the other cheek" and not fighting aliens... that's not a religious thing, that's a personal thing. I think the point of turning the other cheek was to make reference to the golden rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) that most if not all religions (except satanisim) have and try to live by. I think many religious people would continue to fight and prehaps still witness/convert others into believing. ...anyways, that's my sleepy "pray for a zombie invasion" so I can bring out my 'boom stick' and kill zombies" spiel... ^^ XD

Quote: What authority do you have to deny the right to life as written here;

actually ur life isnt urs, but His, n He allows u to use it- for the only right things.

Quote: of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights


James 3:15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. bcoz that law is made by human that's sinful, it's different thing from God's law. the law from humans r made for humans bcoz of their own foolish things in their mind- murders, robbers, etc. it's just to bound ourselves from useless things, it's not the same as God's law. Besides, God's law is on the top of every laws.

Quote: People do not necessarily believe what you believe. Get over yourself.

that's why we who knows God must spread His lessons n that's what im doin now.

example: James 2:21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,"[a] and he was called God's friend.

James 3:13 13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.

merged: 05-19-2008 ~ 02:59am

Quote: If the world is so bad that you want to die and join God, then please, why are you not dead yet?

arhh.. u dont understand -_- why i must leave the sinful world without doin anything? for suicide itself is a bad thing that God never allows us to. God gives me a job that i must do, im not leaving yet. what i mean with 'to die for Jesus' is that we must not throw our faith, like: C- a Christian- knows that God's exist but then he says the opposite bcoz his friends dont believe God n he doesnt want his friends leave him. by this example, that i wont give up to live in God no matter what the reasons. like one of God's prophets who dies in the name of God bcoz evrybody at that time against his believe n try to kill him. or one of my teacher that left his home bcoz his family against him not to believe in Christian.

Quote: Just because you may believe you are a chicken does not make you a chicken...

it's not juzt believe but facts also.

Quote: i mean i can understand having faith in one's religion but saying that people should be ready to die for it sounds like something the hardcore muslim extremists/terrorists would say.

why i must leave the sinful world without doin anything? for suicide itself is a bad thing that God never allows us to. God gives me a job that i must do, im not leaving yet. lol <copy n paste is always needed for religion thing>

I was about to leave this topic behind, and let Sulibres and others handle it, when I saw this bullshit (sorry for the term, but if this isn't, I don't know what could be so revolting).

Allow me to pounce on this.

Quote by priincess

Quote: of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights


James 3:15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. bcoz that law is made by human that's sinful, it's different thing from God's law. the law from humans r made for humans bcoz of their own foolish things in their mind- murders, robbers, etc. it's just to bound ourselves from useless things, it's not the same as God's law. Besides, God's law is on the top of every laws.

Have you even read what you have quoted?

If not, then, there it is, in brief:

Protection on individual's physical integrity (against things such as execution, torture, and arbitrary arrest).
Procedural fairness in law (rule of law, rights upon arrest, trial, basic conditions must be met when imprisoned, rights to a lawyer, impartial process in trial).
Protection based on gender, religious, racial or other forms of discrimination.
Individual freedom of belief, speech, association, freedom of press, right to hold assembly.
Right to political participation (organise a political party, vote, voice contempt for current political authority).

Two Optional Protocols

Mechanism by which individuals can launch complaints against member states.
Abolition of the death penalty.

Read and understand. Please.


i read it already. what did u try to explain?

a zombie invasion would be awesome. hahaha. and why is every good thing a sin... such as gundam... (my parents thought it was the work of the devil 'cause of the horns... what the hell...) premarital sex... blah blah blah... hahaha. oh, and feel free to cuss or whatever. i don't mind at all considering i have a rather foul mouth myself. oh yeah, on a different note, who thinks every household should have guns? well, not every but a good majority. i say we should. it'd sure be helpful if some sort of invasion occurs don't you think?

An invasion occuring? What are the odds? I'd say about 1 in 100, if not even more. But it's definitely not a clean-cut impossible thing, either. For all we know, there could be aliens out there planning to take over the Earth as we speak - unclear though their motives might be.

But hey, people wage enough wars without aliens having to step in. Dying for your religion is stupid; dying defending your "country" [<- or some other abstract thing] is even more stupid; but dying to protect someone and something you, personally, care for [and not because your country or your church tells you to] - now that's a death I'd wish for.

My point, you ask, priincess?

These legislate against such brutalities all of us - whether atheist or devout - rally against: torture, arrest without proper warrants, religious or racial persecution, etc.

Are you trying to tell us that such legislation that protects you is useless and pointless?

Quote: and why is every good thing a sin... such as gundam

if u juzt watch it without think about bad things, then it's not a sin

Quote: Are you trying to tell us that such legislation that protects you is useless and pointless?

it's useless for children of God but the 'world people' surely need it. for children of God wouldnt let themselves to do bad things n would avoid it without u ask them to. they r wiser bcoz they follow God's lessons that's wise than every humans, He's the source of righteousness. the laws from humans have weak points

Quote by priincess

Quote: and why is every good thing a sin... such as gundam

if u juzt watch it without think about bad things, then it's not a sin

People have every reason to legislate against what we see... but against what we think... TOO DAMN MUCH IS BEING ASKED HERE!

Quote: Are you trying to tell us that such legislation that protects you is useless and pointless?

it's useless for children of God but the 'world people' surely need it. for children of God wouldnt let themselves to do bad things n would avoid it without u ask them to. they r wiser bcoz they follow God's lessons that's wise than every humans, He's the source of righteousness. the laws from humans have weak points

Yeah right.

Roman Catholics and Protestants burned unsavory people at the stake.

Mormons legislated child marriages.

Muslims allow honor killings and declare holy wars.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims legislate circumcisions.

Members of Christian Science leave their sick children to die.

Members of the Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions.

All religions before the abolition of slavery basically gave the green light for their adherents to enslave people.


I have many more to type here, but I leave these out for now.

They're all children of God, devout followers of whatever dogma your founders preach of.

Talk now.


merged: 05-21-2008 ~ 07:02am

Quote by oudorobouit's also quite possible the god of all the other monotheistic religions are the same person. just has a different name.

Okay - how do we know the qualities of that God? Each God has a different temper, a different face, so to speak.

And, do you imply that the Gods of polytheistic religions are not to be qualified as Gods at all?

Sorry to say...but because they're fanatic?

It's always like this though...the people who believes in things too much might be like that...not totally sane...

Quote by onyhowSorry to say...but because they're fanatic?

PS. I don't think it's necessary to explain things to priincess...she won't listen...

It's been said before.

But I'll try my best.

After all, this is one of those times when I could understand her posts - and I'd like to do something else than stare at the monitor.

And, as you could tell, I'm enraged at her statement.

not what i meant at all. honestly, i really don't care if the gods in polytheism are qualified to be a deity or not. if they are, they are. if not, then they aren't. and if a god does exist, i honestly would believe he would be formless and can be whatever it wants to be. as to why it would create a variety of religions, i don't know. maybe it was bored and had nothing better to do. truth be told, i'm just arguing for the sake of arguing. i really don't care what other people want to believe or do believe. it's not like i'm trying to convert people or anything. people are solely responsible for themselves. if there is a hell and i go to it, so be it. shit happens. who knows. maybe hell won't be as bad as it seems. hahaha.

Quote: People have every reason to legislate against what we see... but against what we think... TOO DAMN MUCH IS BEING ASKED HERE!

of course u cant let dirty/evil things in ur mind.. right?


Quote: Mormons legislated child marriages.

Mormons against the lesson of God.

Quote: Muslims allow honor killings and declare holy wars

that's why it's wrong

Quote: Jews, Christians, and Muslims legislate circumcisions.

so..? what's the - point?

Quote: Members of Christian Science leave their sick children to die.

err, what is Christian Science?

Quote: Members of the Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions.

i dont believe in other religions, for those are wrong.

every negative things arent made by God, if the Christians or others did it, it's their own fault, for God doesnt asks us anything bad.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Avoid every kind of evil. 13Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. 14And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.


some of Christians do wrong things if they learn the Bible with their own interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Listen everyone, I doubt priincess is ever going to understand what we say to her; she's already got a set mind on what she believes and there's no convincing her even if Jesus was knocking on her door telling her otherwise.

As for crazy invasions? I would not mind a Transformer invasion. Because noting is better than getting stomped to death by a gargantuan 30 foot tall robot that transforms into your car.

i already answered all the questions n now i wanna see how u answer it, or u just run away _- bcoz all of u think negatively bout God before u know.

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