It's not often I find myself posting in this particular forum, but I'm finding
myself wondering something. Do women truly enjoy being treated like crap? The
saying "nice guys finish last" isn't so much saying that the nice guy
will never get the girl, but instead I think it's pointing to the fact that the
a**hole will always get the girl. It seems to me that girls stay with men that
treat them horribly, or simply pay no attention to them. My brother just
recently cheated on his girl, lied about it, and then lied to my parents about
why the two had broken up. Within 48 hours, the two were back together.
WHY?
It's simply bothered me for a long time that nearly every woman will say "I
want a man who can make me laugh, who will love me for me and is sweet and
caring", YET men who yell at their wives for interrupting the football game
or spends as much time with them as they do on the toilet, seem to get the
girls. Is there some link in the chain I'm missing here.
Guys: Do you agree with this? What are your general thoughts?
Women: Is this true? Can you prove me wrong? If not, why the double speak (IE I
want this... but I REALLY want this)?
Thats... a very overgeneralized statement. I actually personally know more men
that enjoy being treated badly than I do women. I certainly don't enjoy being
treated like crap, and when the last guy I was seeing started talking to me like
that I left his sorry backside and I still refuse to talk to him. There are
plenty of women out there who go for the "nice guys" rather than the
"bad boys", and the same goes for men looking for "good" or
"bad" girls. Some people just enjoy that kind of thing, but it's
absurd to claim ALL relationships go that route. Saying that the ones who yell
and mistreat their wives are the only ones who get the girls is ignoring all of
the relationship that DON'T happen like that.
the girl is right. there are people and there are people. too bad there's no way
to tell them apart fast enough.
you should be happy, rather than sorry, that a couple of 'that' kind get
together and stay together. it's natural, though in a sick way.
and we should always try not to fall for someone of the 'other' kind.
i presume it's childhood family habits (a.k.a. "trauma") for them.
mistreating may bring back some of that, which is thus somehow right for them,
and they're just used to it. it's ingrained.
i think you're right, statistically: the majority is in the 'mistreating's
right' league. alas
merged: 04-07-2008 ~ 04:43am
hormons say: "he beats me up: that's MY man"
Surely no one likes to be treated horribly by their certain someone, whether it
is he or she. I've seen plenty of both cases that ArtificialRainDrop mentioned.
Men being treated badly by their woman and vise versa. I honestly find it very
complicated. One of my closest friends -a guy- in fact did the same thing with
his girlfriend. I talked to the girl few time over the phone, telling her that
if she finds it difficult to maintain the relationship she better not torture
herself. It was really terrible to see what my friend was doing to her. He told
me he was doing this cause he was fed up with her! And the next thing I knew few
weeks later was that they were still together and he was boasting how he liked
her! I was really furious!
All I know is that the girls persistence saved her relationship although her guy
was treating her horribly -I'm not going to mention anything about the nasty
things he did to her- She had mentioned several times that she 'loves' him and
is willing to sacrifice many things for him! -He honestly doesn't deserve that!-
Girls are more tend to mold and adapt with bad situations when their feelings
are involved, even if they get hurt in the end. Men think more logical, they
simply keep their hands off the fire if chances of getting burnt is high! Girls
know it but still continue
Quote by shoujoboy
It's simply bothered me for a long time that nearly every woman will say
"I want a man who can make me laugh, who will love me for me and is sweet
and caring", YET men who yell at their wives for interrupting the football
game or spends as much time with them as they do on the toilet, seem to get the
girls. Is there some link in the chain I'm missing here.
Yeah that's what girls usually say but all of us know in reality things are very
different. Guys certainly do have their own special line about their dream-girl
as well. But do they get what they want? You're not missing anything. Things
change once you get really involved in a
relationship.
True, this is generalization, but even if only a hundred women out of million
are as I've stated, then maybe I've had the unfortunate luck of only seeing
those hundred. I'm not trying to make this sound like sour grapes, like
"why can't I get a girl" but at the same time, I can't help but
personalize it just a bit. More often than not, I've found myself getting into
the notorious "friend zone" with women. It's annoying when you put a
check next to every quality she wants on your mental checklist, only to see that
she dates someone completely opposite of that. How demoralizing to hear "I
want someone just like you, but I don't want to ruin our friendship."
Seriously, someone like you... just not you.
I digress, I am not trying to parley this into a pity party, but merely into a
personal observation that bothers me. Simply the fact that my brother and I
treat women oppositely, and yet he seems to have the better luck with them
despite that, leads me to some forgone conclusions. Besides, I figured that the
majority of females who would post here would disagree with my stance. I highly
doubted many girls would come in saying "Hell yea, my man punches me and I
love it."
I know what you mean. I've heard the same story from some other guys as well.
You may not be as unlucky as you think. It's probably because your seeing things
from your own perspective too much. Who knows, maybe your brother finds you more
luckier than himself. (Although he may deny it!) If you look deeply in cases
like your brother or my friend, you'll see too many problems involved. It's only
the perfect surface that you see. I found so many times that perfect surface
crack in my friends' revived relationship. There are problems there. I know that his girl doesn't trust him, he
treats her still the same way but not as often as he used to, and there's
tension and disagreement. They just won't let you know about it. So be more
optimistic Unknowingly, you're tail might have been saved from these kind of
traps. Who knows! You may become disappointed but only time will show you
weren't as unlucky as you thought you are. Put yourself in your brother shoes
and feel the same way as he does and wonder about it's outcome. Personally, I
neither want to be the girl nor your brother.
merged: 04-07-2008 ~ 02:53pm
Just because someone meets your standard doesn't mean she's the right one for
you and vise versa. That's the point. I find these things like a spark. You just
have to let things go...
there is no singular reason why women seem to choose a**holes rather than nice
guys (attraction to the dark rogue aspect, the challenge of making the guy
change, possible masochistic tendencies (lol) , the possibilities are
endless...)
but one thing is certain, rogue or not, the woman chooses the guy because she
beleives that the guy will treat her well. she may have seen something that led
her to beleive that--only in some cases, she is proven wrong.
i mean, r u kidding? who would want to be treated like crap?
Quote by EILERON
but one thing is certain, rogue or not, the woman chooses the guy because she
beleives that the guy will treat her well. she may have seen something that led
her to beleive that--only in some cases, she is proven wrong.
Yup
I agree with you. I couldn't express that well
Yeah...you could use 'believe' is such cases. There's something about the guy
that attracts the girl although he might not quite fit -or not fit at all- with
what she has in mind. Chances of making mistake are high, but girls do that if
they're seriously involved with 'the guy'.
I don't know what to say to this other than we don't always make a knowing
choice as to who be love. We love that person for their good parts and their not
so great parts but as long as you are really in love and there is more good than
bad then I see why a woman will stay with someone. We have this totally wrong
idea in our heads that if only we hang in there a little longer we can make a
guy change. And that never works. I have learned that if you truly love someone
it doesn't matter as long as they love you too. My whole heart is filled with
love for my boyfriend and no one else and he loves me. He is a great guy but all
couples fight over stupid things. As long as he doesn't cheat on me or hit me I
want to spend the rest of my life with him.
My sister's husband used to hit her and I never understood why she stayed. Not
only was she getting hurt but her kids were watching this happen. I guess she
was just scared of being alone with 3 kids. She figured his abuse was better
than being alone.
It all depends on the person I guess and the situation.
Even though I have not had a relationship yet. I think that if a girl stays with
a guy who treats her worse than dirt, is worse than dirt for staying with him.
It someone traded me badly, I would get away from them. Maybe file come
charges...
I personally can't stand it when a guy treats his girl like dirt.
I will say that there are women who allow men to treat them badly.
*Some women allow it because they fear their partner.
*Some allow it because they think they will never find someone better.
*Some have a need for someone else and think its natural for them to abuse them
sometimes.
*Some think they can change the other's abusive behaviors.
*Some don't know about the abuse until it happens.
A friend of mine stayed in an abusive relationship with a man who she planned to
marry. He even strangled her on occassion, beat her up, and verbally abused her.
She stayed with him. Only when he almost killed her did she finally realize
(after a year and a half) that he was a horrible person. She stayed with him and
the whole time, nomatter what you said to her... she thought that it was okay
for him to hurt her... he'd apologize... and she'd forgive him. There are many
people who have died because of similar situations. Its quite frightening. She
really didn't want to leave him because she was afraid of being alone and
thought noone else would want her. Low self-esteem can also be a
factor.
I love my man because he's gentle and kind. He treats me so wonderful,
considerate, and always wants to help. He may not be as "macho" as
some guys, but I'd take him any day over someone who didn't appreciate me. ^^
Quote by yothsothgoth
*Some women allow it because they fear their partner.
*Some allow it because they think they will never find someone better.
*Some have a need for someone else and think its natural for them to abuse them
sometimes.
*Some think they can change the other's abusive behaviors.
*Some don't know about the abuse until it happens.
the situations above are instances that depict a distortion in the personality--
issues of insecurity, low self-esteem, etc. This will lead us to psychological
aspects of relationships.
well, maybe we can say that in the instances stated above, the woman is not yet
psychologically prepared for a relationship and entered one for the wrong
reasons.
now now, I'm sure being humans NO ONE (including women) would want to be treated
as trash.
I believe only masochists would actually WANT that.
now regarding about their relationships with men. I have no idea about that.
I personally wouldn't want to stay with someone who hurts me. NO WAY!
IMO, girls fall in and out of love slowly. They may not want to let go that
easily hence they allow men to do these things. Since women are practically
beings of emotions, they'd get hurt most if they'd let go.
Garbage.... is a little too strong, I think the word "slaves" fit
better. Well anyway you know what they say "love is blind". We may not
know what really happened between a couple and what they have gone through, but
maybe something big has happened that made the women or the men fall deeply in
love with the other person and that they won't break up no matter what, well
it's either that or the female was threatened to be his girlfriend LOL.
i kinda agree with you, since i too have a brother like that, he the a**hole, me
the sweet guy, that would do anything for my love, yet everybody seem to prefer
my brother, i mean his wife has actually read other girls messages about him
being with them the night before, and she just keeps on forgiving him, me on the
other hand i have never cheated on my girlfriend and have done soooooo many nice
things for her, but she just doesn't seem to care, or she doesn't value the
things i do for her. not to show off or anything for its not about him being
handsome since i say we are equal in our looks, my girlfriend tells me i am
handsome and i am losing weight, and my brother gaining, yet things are still
the same.
in the end nice guys do finish last.
Of course not! If all women enjoyed being treated like garbage, that means we
have zero self-confidence which is evidently untrue. However, after reading your
explanation, it does remind me of some cases which I have heard of, which are
similiar, if not worse. Sadly, it is a reality that a minority of women fall in
love with suckers, and majority are too attached them to let go. It's just
unexplainable. I'd like to just blame it on blind love, but some ladies just
keep on staying with their loser of a man for other material needs as well, like
a roof over their heads, money etc. Some are even more worse off, they have been
totally cowed by their abusive husbands and cannot afford to leave them as they
have been threatened. I'd like to delve further into this point, but it's
irrelevant. The conclusion is, no woman has ever even considered being treated
like trash, but there are certain reasons why women are loyal and stick to their
men. Could be that 1) men are sweet talkers and always promise them that they
won't repeat the same mistake again (but all of it gets thrown out of the window
in a very short time), 2) the woman wants something from the man, and 3) is
totally infatuated with him, and would rather stay put as his
"official" lover while he has a bunch of flings with someone
else.
Oh ya, forgot to mention, about beer-guzzling, football-watching men who bark at
their wives, they're already married. Women probably feel that they've already
invested too much in the relationship to let go or they've an impression that
it's normal, as they may have seen their mothers go through the same thing.
Women can just be too loyal sometimes, it's exasperating unless you really think
about it and put yourself in their shoes.
Quote by yothsothgothLow self-esteem
can also be a factor.
Darn right about that. My girlfriend always had low self-esteem and she ended up
messing up her life. I personnaly think that she wanted the attention she
couldn't get from the other people, no matter what kind of attention. Since
we've been together, she lost that attitude and all the things related to it.
She seems to be the happiest person in the world now.
So yeah, some do chose the ''bad guys'', but once they realise they can get
better ones, I'm pretty sure they will. And I gotta admit that the guys don't
really help this out. I mean, really, you don't treat a woman in a bad way, that
just isn't right.
well.... its up 4r the individual itself, 4r example she has nowhere to go.
Thats why she stay with da a**hole 4r her own life. Just like running away.
peace 2 u all~
I don't agree. Girls like to be treated very well. Pay attention: 'bad' guys
take better care of their girls than good guys for time enough to attract them.
We good guys mustn't be fools, learn the lesson and make it better to be
interesting for girls. You can be good but you mustn't be an idiot. Also, some
girls specially at young age prefer to be with guys with cars and too much
money. Can't blame them 'cause these girls prefer to be with winners than losers
and wanna have fun. Some of these girls change their mind with age and turn into
very nice women. There are too much girls who don't care for cars and money but
want to be with a normal, handsome guy, not a freak. If it's your case, it can't
be help until you change yourself. Finally, for those who think 'I am a nice guy
and I will not have a girlfriend' and it's happening, study hard, work harder
and be successful. Women love successful men who give then safety to raise a
nice family.
Experience makes a man wise. I had it all (loud laughs).
It's not often I find myself posting in this particular forum, but I'm finding myself wondering something. Do women truly enjoy being treated like crap? The saying "nice guys finish last" isn't so much saying that the nice guy will never get the girl, but instead I think it's pointing to the fact that the a**hole will always get the girl. It seems to me that girls stay with men that treat them horribly, or simply pay no attention to them. My brother just recently cheated on his girl, lied about it, and then lied to my parents about why the two had broken up. Within 48 hours, the two were back together. WHY?
It's simply bothered me for a long time that nearly every woman will say "I want a man who can make me laugh, who will love me for me and is sweet and caring", YET men who yell at their wives for interrupting the football game or spends as much time with them as they do on the toilet, seem to get the girls. Is there some link in the chain I'm missing here.
Guys: Do you agree with this? What are your general thoughts?
Women: Is this true? Can you prove me wrong? If not, why the double speak (IE I want this... but I REALLY want this)?
Thats... a very overgeneralized statement. I actually personally know more men that enjoy being treated badly than I do women. I certainly don't enjoy being treated like crap, and when the last guy I was seeing started talking to me like that I left his sorry backside and I still refuse to talk to him. There are plenty of women out there who go for the "nice guys" rather than the "bad boys", and the same goes for men looking for "good" or "bad" girls. Some people just enjoy that kind of thing, but it's absurd to claim ALL relationships go that route. Saying that the ones who yell and mistreat their wives are the only ones who get the girls is ignoring all of the relationship that DON'T happen like that.
the girl is right. there are people and there are people. too bad there's no way to tell them apart fast enough.
you should be happy, rather than sorry, that a couple of 'that' kind get together and stay together. it's natural, though in a sick way.
and we should always try not to fall for someone of the 'other' kind.
i presume it's childhood family habits (a.k.a. "trauma") for them. mistreating may bring back some of that, which is thus somehow right for them, and they're just used to it. it's ingrained.
i think you're right, statistically: the majority is in the 'mistreating's right' league. alas
merged: 04-07-2008 ~ 04:43am
hormons say: "he beats me up: that's MY man"
Surely no one likes to be treated horribly by their certain someone, whether it is he or she. I've seen plenty of both cases that ArtificialRainDrop mentioned. Men being treated badly by their woman and vise versa. I honestly find it very complicated. One of my closest friends -a guy- in fact did the same thing with his girlfriend. I talked to the girl few time over the phone, telling her that if she finds it difficult to maintain the relationship she better not torture herself. It was really terrible to see what my friend was doing to her. He told me he was doing this cause he was fed up with her! And the next thing I knew few weeks later was that they were still together and he was boasting how he liked her! I was really furious!
All I know is that the girls persistence saved her relationship although her guy was treating her horribly -I'm not going to mention anything about the nasty things he did to her- She had mentioned several times that she 'loves' him and is willing to sacrifice many things for him! -He honestly doesn't deserve that!- Girls are more tend to mold and adapt with bad situations when their feelings are involved, even if they get hurt in the end. Men think more logical, they simply keep their hands off the fire if chances of getting burnt is high! Girls know it but still continue
Yeah that's what girls usually say but all of us know in reality things are very different. Guys certainly do have their own special line about their dream-girl as well. But do they get what they want? You're not missing anything. Things change once you get really involved in a relationship.
True, this is generalization, but even if only a hundred women out of million are as I've stated, then maybe I've had the unfortunate luck of only seeing those hundred. I'm not trying to make this sound like sour grapes, like "why can't I get a girl" but at the same time, I can't help but personalize it just a bit. More often than not, I've found myself getting into the notorious "friend zone" with women. It's annoying when you put a check next to every quality she wants on your mental checklist, only to see that she dates someone completely opposite of that. How demoralizing to hear "I want someone just like you, but I don't want to ruin our friendship." Seriously, someone like you... just not you.
I digress, I am not trying to parley this into a pity party, but merely into a personal observation that bothers me. Simply the fact that my brother and I treat women oppositely, and yet he seems to have the better luck with them despite that, leads me to some forgone conclusions. Besides, I figured that the majority of females who would post here would disagree with my stance. I highly doubted many girls would come in saying "Hell yea, my man punches me and I love it."
I know what you mean. I've heard the same story from some other guys as well. You may not be as unlucky as you think. It's probably because your seeing things from your own perspective too much. Who knows, maybe your brother finds you more luckier than himself. (Although he may deny it!) If you look deeply in cases like your brother or my friend, you'll see too many problems involved. It's only the perfect surface that you see. I found so many times that perfect surface crack in my friends' revived relationship. There are problems there. I know that his girl doesn't trust him, he treats her still the same way but not as often as he used to, and there's tension and disagreement. They just won't let you know about it. So be more optimistic
Unknowingly, you're tail might have been saved from these kind of
traps. Who knows! You may become disappointed but only time will show you
weren't as unlucky as you thought you are. Put yourself in your brother shoes
and feel the same way as he does and wonder about it's outcome. Personally, I
neither want to be the girl nor your brother.
merged: 04-07-2008 ~ 02:53pm
Just because someone meets your standard doesn't mean she's the right one for you and vise versa. That's the point. I find these things like a spark. You just have to let things go...
there is no singular reason why women seem to choose a**holes rather than nice guys (attraction to the dark rogue aspect, the challenge of making the guy change, possible masochistic tendencies (lol) , the possibilities are endless...)
but one thing is certain, rogue or not, the woman chooses the guy because she beleives that the guy will treat her well. she may have seen something that led her to beleive that--only in some cases, she is proven wrong.
i mean, r u kidding? who would want to be treated like crap?
Yup
I don't know what to say to this other than we don't always make a knowing choice as to who be love. We love that person for their good parts and their not so great parts but as long as you are really in love and there is more good than bad then I see why a woman will stay with someone. We have this totally wrong idea in our heads that if only we hang in there a little longer we can make a guy change. And that never works. I have learned that if you truly love someone it doesn't matter as long as they love you too. My whole heart is filled with love for my boyfriend and no one else and he loves me. He is a great guy but all couples fight over stupid things. As long as he doesn't cheat on me or hit me I want to spend the rest of my life with him.
My sister's husband used to hit her and I never understood why she stayed. Not only was she getting hurt but her kids were watching this happen. I guess she was just scared of being alone with 3 kids. She figured his abuse was better than being alone.
It all depends on the person I guess and the situation.
Even though I have not had a relationship yet. I think that if a girl stays with a guy who treats her worse than dirt, is worse than dirt for staying with him. It someone traded me badly, I would get away from them. Maybe file come charges...
I personally can't stand it when a guy treats his girl like dirt.
I will say that there are women who allow men to treat them badly.
*Some women allow it because they fear their partner.
*Some allow it because they think they will never find someone better.
*Some have a need for someone else and think its natural for them to abuse them sometimes.
*Some think they can change the other's abusive behaviors.
*Some don't know about the abuse until it happens.
A friend of mine stayed in an abusive relationship with a man who she planned to marry. He even strangled her on occassion, beat her up, and verbally abused her. She stayed with him. Only when he almost killed her did she finally realize (after a year and a half) that he was a horrible person. She stayed with him and the whole time, nomatter what you said to her... she thought that it was okay for him to hurt her... he'd apologize... and she'd forgive him. There are many people who have died because of similar situations. Its quite frightening. She really didn't want to leave him because she was afraid of being alone and thought noone else would want her. Low self-esteem can also be a factor.
I love my man because he's gentle and kind. He treats me so wonderful, considerate, and always wants to help. He may not be as "macho" as some guys, but I'd take him any day over someone who didn't appreciate me. ^^
the situations above are instances that depict a distortion in the personality-- issues of insecurity, low self-esteem, etc. This will lead us to psychological aspects of relationships.
well, maybe we can say that in the instances stated above, the woman is not yet psychologically prepared for a relationship and entered one for the wrong reasons.
now now, I'm sure being humans NO ONE (including women) would want to be treated as trash.
I believe only masochists would actually WANT that.
now regarding about their relationships with men. I have no idea about that.
I personally wouldn't want to stay with someone who hurts me. NO WAY!
IMO, girls fall in and out of love slowly. They may not want to let go that easily hence they allow men to do these things. Since women are practically beings of emotions, they'd get hurt most if they'd let go.
no way.i think that woman is a fool if she like to be treated like rubbish
Garbage.... is a little too strong, I think the word "slaves" fit better. Well anyway you know what they say "love is blind". We may not know what really happened between a couple and what they have gone through, but maybe something big has happened that made the women or the men fall deeply in love with the other person and that they won't break up no matter what, well it's either that or the female was threatened to be his girlfriend LOL.
Wow. Ok, lets treat each other as crap.
No girl wants to be treated like that! Who does? A woman should be treated with respect. I know its old-fashioned, but it should be done anyways.
Nu-uh nuff said...
i kinda agree with you, since i too have a brother like that, he the a**hole, me the sweet guy, that would do anything for my love, yet everybody seem to prefer my brother, i mean his wife has actually read other girls messages about him being with them the night before, and she just keeps on forgiving him, me on the other hand i have never cheated on my girlfriend and have done soooooo many nice things for her, but she just doesn't seem to care, or she doesn't value the things i do for her. not to show off or anything for its not about him being handsome since i say we are equal in our looks, my girlfriend tells me i am handsome and i am losing weight, and my brother gaining, yet things are still the same.
in the end nice guys do finish last.
Of course not! If all women enjoyed being treated like garbage, that means we have zero self-confidence which is evidently untrue. However, after reading your explanation, it does remind me of some cases which I have heard of, which are similiar, if not worse. Sadly, it is a reality that a minority of women fall in love with suckers, and majority are too attached them to let go. It's just unexplainable. I'd like to just blame it on blind love, but some ladies just keep on staying with their loser of a man for other material needs as well, like a roof over their heads, money etc. Some are even more worse off, they have been totally cowed by their abusive husbands and cannot afford to leave them as they have been threatened. I'd like to delve further into this point, but it's irrelevant. The conclusion is, no woman has ever even considered being treated like trash, but there are certain reasons why women are loyal and stick to their men. Could be that 1) men are sweet talkers and always promise them that they won't repeat the same mistake again (but all of it gets thrown out of the window in a very short time), 2) the woman wants something from the man, and 3) is totally infatuated with him, and would rather stay put as his "official" lover while he has a bunch of flings with someone else.
Oh ya, forgot to mention, about beer-guzzling, football-watching men who bark at their wives, they're already married. Women probably feel that they've already invested too much in the relationship to let go or they've an impression that it's normal, as they may have seen their mothers go through the same thing. Women can just be too loyal sometimes, it's exasperating unless you really think about it and put yourself in their shoes.
No words from me, just a saying.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Darn right about that. My girlfriend always had low self-esteem and she ended up messing up her life. I personnaly think that she wanted the attention she couldn't get from the other people, no matter what kind of attention. Since we've been together, she lost that attitude and all the things related to it. She seems to be the happiest person in the world now.
So yeah, some do chose the ''bad guys'', but once they realise they can get better ones, I'm pretty sure they will. And I gotta admit that the guys don't really help this out. I mean, really, you don't treat a woman in a bad way, that just isn't right.
well.... its up 4r the individual itself, 4r example she has nowhere to go. Thats why she stay with da a**hole 4r her own life. Just like running away. peace 2 u all~
I don't agree. Girls like to be treated very well. Pay attention: 'bad' guys take better care of their girls than good guys for time enough to attract them. We good guys mustn't be fools, learn the lesson and make it better to be interesting for girls. You can be good but you mustn't be an idiot. Also, some girls specially at young age prefer to be with guys with cars and too much money. Can't blame them 'cause these girls prefer to be with winners than losers and wanna have fun. Some of these girls change their mind with age and turn into very nice women. There are too much girls who don't care for cars and money but want to be with a normal, handsome guy, not a freak. If it's your case, it can't be help until you change yourself. Finally, for those who think 'I am a nice guy and I will not have a girlfriend' and it's happening, study hard, work harder and be successful. Women love successful men who give then safety to raise a nice family.
Experience makes a man wise. I had it all (loud laughs).
OF COURSE NOT! no one does...
Girls should be treated w/ respect just like what gel-chan said...