Ah, that question makes me have headache anyway, even if i usually participate in university, and I also participated
in my school debates, but now that I'm in vacation, let me freeee! *jokes*
Anyway, about the question, is kind of absurd, yeah, I agree in that with
shoujoboy, but this is the kind of question that are often asked in such cases,
to open a debate
and also to answer it, is very tricky, and if you have imagination, you can, for
example, lie to the father and say "yeah I know where he is" and you
tell him that jacob is hyding in anyother place but the one that he's actually
hyding in , act like a coward and run away before he finds out that you've
lied. Ne, at that time, he'll try to find you also and ask you more question, or
even try to kill you..
You can say "I lied for his sake" but now you are in problems, and you
ask protection to your parents, and they have to lie too, and then you and your
parents are in danger because the father of the kid wants to have justice and
he's also following not only jacob, but you, because you lied, and also your
parents, who lied for your sake, and everyone tha tries to protect you. So this
jumps from being a simple problem to a national matter of concern
So, what I coud do? Beofre telling him the true, I'll try to ask, sir, why do
you want desperately to know? to kill him? sir, the vengance will damage your
sin" or well, of course, better arguments than this, or something to
tranquilize him or distract him of his actual purpose, and then talking and
talking loong time, he feels relieved, and then, at THAT time I'll tell him the true, but previuosly called the
police, so that they find jacob first. In other owrds, I'm making time talking
to him (he can't kill me becaause I'm a simple student there ) and
when the father runds to find jacob, he'll find police instead with him catched
up. And that's it, I tell the true and nobody gets hurt. It's just a little of
thinking, guys
Quote by XRW175P6MQ4I'd tell him
where Mr. Jacob was. He killed a student and therefore deserves death. The
father may be imprisoned for murder but I don't care he killed a guy as well.
Besides nothing is worth ticking a guy with a gun off not even someone elses
life.
Lol, XR ¡, you are a serious vengator You can
be more like Jack Barrow of 24, hehe...
Uhm..Actually, killing is bad. Wouldn't it be better to let the law handle Mr.
Jacob? As Jesus said, we must love our enemies. It doesn't mean we should let
that person go without punishment.
((No harsh/rude argument, guys! Just wanna know your opinions))
We must love our enemies? If you really take a moment and think about, you'd see
something terribly wrong with that statement. There are certain principals we
can probably all agree on, IE not killing, stealing, cheating etc. But many
religious teachings exist as a way of dehumanizing us all. Love our enemies, sex
is bad unless you're married etc again. Essentially, all the things that humans
naturally crave or natural reactions are somehow bad in the eyes of religion.
Ever stop to think why exactly?
Back to the point at hand... love our enemies. I for one say NO WAY! People who
kill innocents... I HATE them. Rapists... I HATE them. Creators of computer
viruses or scamming programs... I HATE them. I could go on. Hate is a natural
human emotion, it's just that society is so politically correct, that we would
all rather use the word 'dislike'. So if something happens to someone who
deserves it, then good. Seriously, if any of you had the chance to save Adolf
Hitler from a burning building, can you say you'd do it? I'd have watched that
bastard burn personally.
Quote by shoujoboySo if something
happens to someone who deserves it, then good. Seriously, if any of you had the
chance to save Adolf Hitler from a burning building, can you say you'd do it?
I'd have watched that bastard burn personally.
Lol man you are a seriour vengator and
yeah I can't say that we must love our enemies, it's true that we must but we
are humans and tha's impossible. Of course that doesn't mean I don't try, but I
do, and yeah I don't have people to hate.. I'm not an extremist
It's just an example. Humans have natural tendancies, and while we try our
hardest to not give into these feelings, we still feel them. Married men and
women do not all the sudden lose their interest in others of the opposite sex.
Just because they are now married does not mean they won't fantasize about
others. But their conscience tells them not to. So it's the same thing. Our
natural tendancies are exactly that, natural. Religion doesn't acknowledge these
things as natural, but instead chooses to villify them and make them sins and
evil emotions.
Hirap pala ng question sa iniu, samen abortion lang eh
lying is morally bad but if there's a reason, then God may understand. The
father has no right to "play GOD" in that situation and kill whoever
he wants to kill.
Quote by shoujoboyWe must love our
enemies? If you really take a moment and think about, you'd see something
terribly wrong with that statement. There are certain principals we can probably
all agree on, IE not killing, stealing, cheating etc. But many religious
teachings exist as a way of dehumanizing us all. Love our enemies, sex is bad
unless you're married etc again. Essentially, all the things that humans
naturally crave or natural reactions are somehow bad in the eyes of religion.
Ever stop to think why exactly?
Back to the point at hand... love our enemies. I for one say NO WAY! People who
kill innocents... I HATE them. Rapists... I HATE them. Creators of computer
viruses or scamming programs... I HATE them. I could go on. Hate is a natural
human emotion, it's just that society is so politically correct, that we would
all rather use the word 'dislike'. So if something happens to someone who
deserves it, then good. Seriously, if any of you had the chance to save Adolf
Hitler from a burning building, can you say you'd do it? I'd have watched that
bastard burn personally.
Lol, you guys seriously need to stop pretending you know so much about religion
and get real. You THINK religions are just messing with everyone but you are
wrong. Just because you read some religion from wikipedia.org or heard things
from your friends doesn't mean a thing. So natural reactions as in thirst, love,
hunger, kindness etc. are bad? Because that is what you are telling me
Don't hate them, feel sorry for them because of their stupidity. God WILL kill
them eventually. And yes I would save Hitler because I know his punishment will
be worse than death. And that is God's mercy.
Quote by shoujoboyReligion doesn't
acknowledge these things as natural, but instead chooses to villify them and
make them sins and evil emotions.
Again you look at these things head on. No love and sex is not evil in the eyes
of God, it's lust, lust for the bodies of women, or men. True Christians still
do these things, but we are not perfect and God knows that. That's why we strive
for it. We cleanse our self from these things, even if they keep coming back, we
continuously try to stop ourselves.
-As for the original post. I would tell the dad, but quickly call the police
after that.
merged: 08-02-2008 ~ 01:56am
Quote by shoujoboyI didn't even respond
to the initial question, I only chose to call out your absurd comment. I'll say
that there are SOME lies that might equate to murder, ones of war or politics
and the likes may qualify. But to say that ALL lies are the equivalent of murder
is retarded.
Ever been asked if you'd like a piece of candy and you said no when really you
would have liked a piece?
Ever told someone their cooking was good when really it was either ok or bad?
Ever told someone you'd be there in 10 minutes... and then took 30?
Those are lies. Are those lies murder? If you honestly think that's the case,
please never have children. Let me appeal to your sense of right and beg you to
not procreate. I would absolutely hate for that kind of drivel to be passed on
to another generation. If you already have children... I guess I'll see them in
these forums in the future.
Will you shut up your rants are just as annoying as mine. You try to make
yourself look SO smart by bashing on every single thing a religious person says.
If you seriously are calling all religious people stupid then you are stupid
yourself.
That is the truth. Are they something you agree with? If you don't, please never
have children. Let me change your mind by begging you not to procreate. I would
absolutely hate for this kind of stupidity to be passed on to another. If you
already have children... I feel sorry for your parents since they failed with
one child.
But seriously you need to think differently because all you do is rant on the
same way every atheist does "religion is a lie, everything they say makes
no sense" well I'm sure if you actually took the time to figure it out you
would come to understand. Or you could be like the rest of them and disregard
everything I have said and respond directly from the second sentence. Oh well,
your mind, not mine.
If humans were incapable of lying, would the world be a better place?
Instinctively, children learn to lie. Trust me, I just spend 12 days on vacation
with my 13-year-old niece (not fun, trust me!). She knows how to fake a cry
(like all children). Why? This is because by lying about crying, she can get
attention which she desperately wants. Humans learn to lie before they can even
talk. But does that make it morally wrong? Too much gray line here I'd
say.
Lying with good intent can lead to bad results, but so can the truth.
In statistics, you make a choice based on probability. If there is a 90% chance
a stock will go up and you buy, but then it goes down, you made a good CHOICE,
but you got a bad OUTCOME. Similarly, you could have made a bad CHOICE of not
buying and gotten a good OUTCOME of saving yourself money. In the end it's the
CHOICE that is determined beforehand, not the OUTCOME.
So why all this talk? If you lie with good INTENT, then the OUTCOME has nothing
to do if the lie was morally right or wrong. Your intent is pure, then the lie
is morally right. Your lie is meant to hurt, then it is morally wrong
(REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CAUSES).
So if you lie to save people, but unfortunately end up killing 200 people, your
lie is STILL MORALLY RIGHT, it's just that the outcome ended up being bad (i.e.
NOT YOUR FAULT)
Quote by super-anime-fanDon't
hate them, feel sorry for them because of their stupidity. God WILL kill them
eventually. And yes I would save Hitler because I know his punishment will be
worse than death. And that is God's mercy.
Could you please repeat that statement, but in a large room full of Jewish
people preferably with guns.
merged: 08-06-2008 ~ 03:40pm
Quote by azyl12Uhm..Actually, killing is
bad. Wouldn't it be better to let the law handle Mr. Jacob? As Jesus said, we
must love our enemies. It doesn't mean we should let that person go without
punishment.
((No harsh/rude argument, guys! Just wanna know your
opinions))
And possibly get yourself shot over it?
P.S. I'll love my neighbor when he/she doesn't have a gun in my face.
merged: 08-06-2008 ~ 03:44pm
Quote by shoujoboyWe must love our
enemies? If you really take a moment and think about, you'd see something
terribly wrong with that statement.
Love your enemies is just basic strategy. Use it to get on their good side then
stab them in the back. You have to pretend to be a little kid to catch a pedo...
Quote: Will you shut up your rants
are just as annoying as mine. You try to make yourself look SO smart by bashing
on every single thing a religious person says. If you seriously are calling all
religious people stupid then you are stupid yourself.
That is the truth. Are they something you agree with? If you don't, please never
have children. Let me change your mind by begging you not to procreate. I would
absolutely hate for this kind of stupidity to be passed on to another. If you
already have children... I feel sorry for your parents since they failed with
one child.
But seriously you need to think differently because all you do is rant on the
same way every atheist does "religion is a lie, everything they say makes
no sense" well I'm sure if you actually took the time to figure it out you
would come to understand. Or you could be like the rest of them and disregard
everything I have said and respond directly from the second sentence. Oh well,
your mind, not mine.
If my questioning of absurd statements is what you'd call an attempt at making
myself seem smart, then so be it. I question closed mindedness. I've said many
times before and I'll say it again, I have no problem with religion. Religion
can help people when they are in hard times and can also be a good guiding light
in life as well. It's people and how they twist words and think it's their
purpose in life to make everyone just like them. If YOU think God is the only
way, that doesn't make it the only way. You don't have to assume that you are
right and that everyone else needs to follow suit or they are wrong. That is
where my hatred of religion lies... in the PEOPLE not the teachings.
And as for telling me not to procreate and also attempting to call out my
parents for a failed job... well let's say that internet anonymity saves your
ass right now. I guess it's easy to tell someone that when all I can is your
screename, but I bet you'd have a different tone knowing that I'd like beat the
living crap out of you if you said that to my face. I was raised the way I
believe children should be. You guide them in the direction of being a good
citizen but you allow them to make decisions and develop beliefs themselves. My
father took me to church if I asked, but was also willing to discuss things when
I had doubts. When I rejected Christianity, he was receptive to my concerns and
accepted that our answers to life might be different. People don't raise
children to be individuals, but would instead chose to raise them as mirrors.
Creating a likeness of themselves in a new generation. I see that as an
error.
Essentially if I had a child that ended up being a devout Christian, I would be
fine with it. He/she would have discovered that truth themselves and not by way
of me beating faith into their heads. This is why I urged that other individual
not to have children, because they have one mindset and that mindset would have
been instilled into that child.
Care to call this a "rant" and proceed to bash on me?
Quote: Will you shut up your rants are just as annoying as
mine. You try to make yourself look SO smart by bashing on every single thing a
religious person says. If you seriously are calling all religious people stupid
then you are stupid yourself.
That is the truth. Are they something you agree with? If you don't, please never
have children. Let me change your mind by begging you not to procreate. I would
absolutely hate for this kind of stupidity to be passed on to another. If you
already have children... I feel sorry for your parents since they failed with
one child.
But seriously you need to think differently because all you do is rant on the
same way every atheist does "religion is a lie, everything they say makes
no sense" well I'm sure if you actually took the time to figure it out you
would come to understand. Or you could be like the rest of them and disregard
everything I have said and respond directly from the second sentence. Oh well,
your mind, not mine.
If my questioning of absurd statements is what you'd call an attempt at making
myself seem smart, then so be it. I question closed mindedness. I've said many
times before and I'll say it again, I have no problem with religion. Religion
can help people when they are in hard times and can also be a good guiding light
in life as well. It's people and how they twist words and think it's their
purpose in life to make everyone just like them. If YOU think God is the only
way, that doesn't make it the only way. You don't have to assume that you are
right and that everyone else needs to follow suit or they are wrong. That is
where my hatred of religion lies... in the PEOPLE not the teachings.
And as for telling me not to procreate and also attempting to call out my
parents for a failed job... well let's say that internet anonymity saves your
ass right now. I guess it's easy to tell someone that when all I can is your
screename, but I bet you'd have a different tone knowing that I'd like beat the
living crap out of you if you said that to my face. I was raised the way I
believe children should be. You guide them in the direction of being a good
citizen but you allow them to make decisions and develop beliefs themselves. My
father took me to church if I asked, but was also willing to discuss things when
I had doubts. When I rejected Christianity, he was receptive to my concerns and
accepted that our answers to life might be different. People don't raise
children to be individuals, but would instead chose to raise them as mirrors.
Creating a likeness of themselves in a new generation. I see that as an
error.
Essentially if I had a child that ended up being a devout Christian, I would be
fine with it. He/she would have discovered that truth themselves and not by way
of me beating faith into their heads. This is why I urged that other individual
not to have children, because they have one mindset and that mindset would have
been instilled into that child.
Care to call this a "rant" and proceed to bash on
me?
Lieing is what people do
Everything we do in life is selfish and is to put ourselves above other people
(get an advantage over them) we all do it to survive, we need to think of
ourselves less as humans but more as animals,
Quote: Will you shut up your rants are just as annoying as
mine. You try to make yourself look SO smart by bashing on every single thing a
religious person says. If you seriously are calling all religious people stupid
then you are stupid yourself.
That is the truth. Are they something you agree with? If you don't, please never
have children. Let me change your mind by begging you not to procreate. I would
absolutely hate for this kind of stupidity to be passed on to another. If you
already have children... I feel sorry for your parents since they failed with
one child.
But seriously you need to think differently because all you do is rant on the
same way every atheist does "religion is a lie, everything they say makes
no sense" well I'm sure if you actually took the time to figure it out you
would come to understand. Or you could be like the rest of them and disregard
everything I have said and respond directly from the second sentence. Oh well,
your mind, not mine.
If my questioning of absurd statements is what you'd call an attempt at making
myself seem smart, then so be it. I question closed mindedness. I've said many
times before and I'll say it again, I have no problem with religion. Religion
can help people when they are in hard times and can also be a good guiding light
in life as well. It's people and how they twist words and think it's their
purpose in life to make everyone just like them. If YOU think God is the only
way, that doesn't make it the only way. You don't have to assume that you are
right and that everyone else needs to follow suit or they are wrong. That is
where my hatred of religion lies... in the PEOPLE not the teachings.
And as for telling me not to procreate and also attempting to call out my
parents for a failed job... well let's say that internet anonymity saves your
ass right now. I guess it's easy to tell someone that when all I can is your
screename, but I bet you'd have a different tone knowing that I'd like beat the
living crap out of you if you said that to my face. I was raised the way I
believe children should be. You guide them in the direction of being a good
citizen but you allow them to make decisions and develop beliefs themselves. My
father took me to church if I asked, but was also willing to discuss things when
I had doubts. When I rejected Christianity, he was receptive to my concerns and
accepted that our answers to life might be different. People don't raise
children to be individuals, but would instead chose to raise them as mirrors.
Creating a likeness of themselves in a new generation. I see that as an
error.
Essentially if I had a child that ended up being a devout Christian, I would be
fine with it. He/she would have discovered that truth themselves and not by way
of me beating faith into their heads. This is why I urged that other individual
not to have children, because they have one mindset and that mindset would have
been instilled into that child.
Care to call this a "rant" and proceed to bash on
me?
Why don't you go BACK TO YOUR POSTS AND RE-READ THEM. They are obviously attacks
on religion. Don't think I'm to ignorant to what you say. If anyone is
"bashing" it was you from the start.
Quote by shoujoboyThose are lies. Are
those lies murder? If you honestly think that's the case, please never have
children. Let me appeal to your sense of right and beg you to not procreate. I
would absolutely hate for that kind of drivel to be passed on to another
generation. If you already have children... I guess I'll see them in these
forums in the future.
Look familiar? I wonder where I got that joke from. Oh! Looks like bashing to
me. Anyone want to second?
Ooo, internet threats. Not intimidating.
Personally I am not afraid of you. No matter how big you are. If I did see you I
would gladly say that to your face. Really, I am not afraid of getting beat up.
But the ability of you actually being able to if we met is
questionable.
And I wouldn't mind raising an atheist. If he doesn't want to believe in God so
be it, it's his choice, not mine.
If anyone is close-minded it's you, as soon as someone said something
like"lying bad as murder" I see your reply. If that is what he
believes, then so be it, leave it alone.
And yeah, I won't lie I'm a hypocrite, and I've done nothing to gain respect.
I'm not a perfect person, I will never be.
I'm well aware of what my own posts say, I typed them after all. I suppose me
saying I have no problem with religion but with some of the people who follow it
just won't suffice for you. So let me put it this way. If a person is a devout
Christian who follows the Bible to a tee and they never try to push it on me,
then we're cool. If they are out in the community doing good in the name of
their God, then we're cool. If they come up and say "would like like to
know the word of Jesus?" and after I say "no thanks" they say
"well I'm always here to talk if you change your mind", were
cool.
IF they stand on the side of the street and scream at me at a stop light; if
they try to get laws passed in the name God that clearly have hateful
implications; if they won't take no for an answer and would rather condemn my
life... well they can all get hit by a car as far as I'm concerned.
Does that clear things up for you my friend. I'd also appreciate if you'd stop
calling me an atheist, it's not the proper label for me. An atheist says there
is no god, period. I'm saying there might be, but until you prove it, I remain a
sceptic. As long as science and religion remain on opposite sides of the fence,
I will remain seeing what both of them have to say in the greatest questions to
life.
Ball is in your court again, care to still call me closed minded?
Quote by super-anime-fanDon't
hate them, feel sorry for them because of their stupidity. God WILL kill them
eventually. And yes I would save Hitler because I know his punishment will be
worse than death. And that is God's mercy.
Could you please repeat that statement, but in a large room full of Jewish
people preferably with guns.
Love your enemies is just basic strategy. Use it to get on their good side then
stab them in the back. You have to pretend to be a little kid to catch a
pedo...
Lol, those replies make me ROFLMAO!
"to be a little kid to catch a pedo" LOL to that
but yeah serioursly you are taking this too seriously (what did I just said?
lol.)
This is me, posting something, and then going back to being a lurker cause I am
bored and have absolutely nothing to do!
Anyways. In terms of the whole thing of what shoujoboy said as dehumanizing us,
you have to think of it this way. We are made to survive, we are technically
animals, we desire sex, procreate, and all that crap, and as humans, we are very
impulsive. We are greedy by nature, and we desire a lot of things whether in
reach or not. What dehumanizing with religion is, by taking what we already
desire, what we are borned to be, and turning it into a bad thing.
Also, what makes it more dehumanizing is the whole 'love your enemy', an enemy
is an enemy, that is what they are. They are what threaten us, and why would you
love someone that may take your life? Naturally, by nature, we would hate the
person. If we were to literally follow the 'love your enemy' idea, the US
probably would not be existing right now, as Germany probably would've already
destroyed the Invasion of Normandy with ease, due to lack of reinforcement and
power. And we would've probably been screwed over by Japan. Cause, can you kill
something you love without guilt?
Quote by XRW175P6MQ4[quote(...) hate
them, feel sorry for them because of their stupidity. God WILL kill them
eventually. And yes I would save Hitler because I know his punishment will be
worse than death. And that is God's mercy.
Could you please repeat that statement, but in a large room full of Jewish
people preferably with guns.
Love your enemies is just basic strategy. Use it to get on their good side then
stab them in the back. You have to pretend to be a little kid to catch a
pedo...
Lol, those replies make me ROFLMAO!
"to be a little kid to catch a pedo" LOL to that
but yeah serioursly you are taking this too seriously (what did I just said?
lol.)
I don't think the Jewish people would think I was to serious if they heard
someone make light of Hitler's atrocities.
Quote by shoujoboyI didn't even respond
to the initial question, I only chose to call out your absurd
comment.
Quote:
Quote by shoujoboyThose are lies. Are
those lies murder? If you honestly think that's the case, please never have
children. Let me appeal to your sense of right and beg you to not procreate. I
would absolutely hate for that kind of drivel to be passed on to another
generation. If you already have children... I guess I'll see them in these
forums in the future.
If anyone is close-minded it's you, as soon as someone said something
like"lying bad as murder" I see your reply. If that is what he
believes, then so be it, leave it alone.
I kinda agree. Why don't you just mind you own freakin business?!
If that's his/her opinion, then so be it
First of all, I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE OPINION OF PEOPLE TO OTHERS IDEA- I WANT TO
KNOW THEIR IDEA!
If you're just going to put your crappy comments in my thread then just get lost
because I don't need you to post here in this thread!
Quote by DarkRoseofHell
Also, what makes it more dehumanizing is the whole 'love your enemy', an enemy
is an enemy, that is what they are. They are what threaten us, and why would you
love someone that may take your life? Naturally, by nature, we would hate the
person. If we were to literally follow the 'love your enemy' idea, the US
probably would not be existing right now, as Germany probably would've already
destroyed the Invasion of Normandy with ease, due to lack of reinforcement and
power. And we would've probably been screwed over by Japan. Cause, can you kill
something you love without guilt?
it is worth nothing that if 'love your enemy' can be achieved, there would be no
more wars. no WWI. no WWII, no terrorism, and such. 'love your enemy' can easily
translate to 'tolerance' war after all
is the final option in diplomacy. because most humans hold attitude of "why
do i have to 'love' my enemy when i don't know if my enemy would 'love' me
back?" so you see, THAT makes the destructions and that makes war an
unavoidable thing for humans.
Ah, that question makes me have headache
anyway, even if i usually participate in university, and I also participated
in my school debates, but now that I'm in vacation, let me freeee! *jokes*
and also to answer it, is very tricky, and if you have imagination, you can, for
example, lie to the father and say "yeah I know where he is" and you
tell him that jacob is hyding in anyother place but the one that he's actually
hyding in 
, act like a coward and run away before he finds out that you've
lied. Ne, at that time, he'll try to find you also and ask you more question, or
even try to kill you..
Anyway, about the question, is kind of absurd, yeah, I agree in that with shoujoboy, but this is the kind of question that are often asked in such cases, to open a debate
You can say "I lied for his sake" but now you are in problems, and you ask protection to your parents, and they have to lie too, and then you and your parents are in danger because the father of the kid wants to have justice and he's also following not only jacob, but you, because you lied, and also your parents, who lied for your sake, and everyone tha tries to protect you. So this jumps from being a simple problem to a national matter of concern
So, what I coud do? Beofre telling him the true, I'll try to ask, sir, why do you want desperately to know? to kill him? sir, the vengance will damage your sin" or well, of course, better arguments than this, or something to tranquilize him or distract him of his actual purpose, and then talking and talking loong time, he feels relieved, and then, at THAT time I'll tell him the true, but previuosly called the police, so that they find jacob first. In other owrds, I'm making time talking to him (he can't kill me becaause I'm a simple student there
) and
when the father runds to find jacob, he'll find police instead with him catched
up. And that's it, I tell the true and nobody gets hurt. It's just a little of
thinking, guys 
Lol, XR ¡, you are a serious vengator
You can
be more like Jack Barrow of 24, hehe...
Uhm..Actually, killing is bad. Wouldn't it be better to let the law handle Mr. Jacob? As Jesus said, we must love our enemies. It doesn't mean we should let that person go without punishment.
((No harsh/rude argument, guys! Just wanna know your opinions))
We must love our enemies? If you really take a moment and think about, you'd see something terribly wrong with that statement. There are certain principals we can probably all agree on, IE not killing, stealing, cheating etc. But many religious teachings exist as a way of dehumanizing us all. Love our enemies, sex is bad unless you're married etc again. Essentially, all the things that humans naturally crave or natural reactions are somehow bad in the eyes of religion. Ever stop to think why exactly?
Back to the point at hand... love our enemies. I for one say NO WAY! People who kill innocents... I HATE them. Rapists... I HATE them. Creators of computer viruses or scamming programs... I HATE them. I could go on. Hate is a natural human emotion, it's just that society is so politically correct, that we would all rather use the word 'dislike'. So if something happens to someone who deserves it, then good. Seriously, if any of you had the chance to save Adolf Hitler from a burning building, can you say you'd do it? I'd have watched that bastard burn personally.
Lol man you are a seriour vengator
It's just an example. Humans have natural tendancies, and while we try our hardest to not give into these feelings, we still feel them. Married men and women do not all the sudden lose their interest in others of the opposite sex. Just because they are now married does not mean they won't fantasize about others. But their conscience tells them not to. So it's the same thing. Our natural tendancies are exactly that, natural. Religion doesn't acknowledge these things as natural, but instead chooses to villify them and make them sins and evil emotions.
i dont think it's a normal reaction, sex before married and such like it.
Tol! bakit naman si lenard pinatay mo?
Hirap pala ng question sa iniu, samen abortion lang eh
lying is morally bad but if there's a reason, then God may understand. The father has no right to "play GOD" in that situation and kill whoever he wants to kill.
Lol, you guys seriously need to stop pretending you know so much about religion and get real. You THINK religions are just messing with everyone but you are wrong. Just because you read some religion from wikipedia.org or heard things from your friends doesn't mean a thing. So natural reactions as in thirst, love, hunger, kindness etc. are bad? Because that is what you are telling me
Don't hate them, feel sorry for them because of their stupidity. God WILL kill them eventually. And yes I would save Hitler because I know his punishment will be worse than death. And that is God's mercy.
Again you look at these things head on. No love and sex is not evil in the eyes of God, it's lust, lust for the bodies of women, or men. True Christians still do these things, but we are not perfect and God knows that. That's why we strive for it. We cleanse our self from these things, even if they keep coming back, we continuously try to stop ourselves.
-As for the original post. I would tell the dad, but quickly call the police after that.
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Will you shut up your rants are just as annoying as mine. You try to make yourself look SO smart by bashing on every single thing a religious person says. If you seriously are calling all religious people stupid then you are stupid yourself.
That is the truth. Are they something you agree with? If you don't, please never have children. Let me change your mind by begging you not to procreate. I would absolutely hate for this kind of stupidity to be passed on to another. If you already have children... I feel sorry for your parents since they failed with one child.
But seriously you need to think differently because all you do is rant on the same way every atheist does "religion is a lie, everything they say makes no sense" well I'm sure if you actually took the time to figure it out you would come to understand. Or you could be like the rest of them and disregard everything I have said and respond directly from the second sentence. Oh well, your mind, not mine.
To super-anime-fan:
I cannot help but think that you gravely misunderstood shoujoboy.
If humans were incapable of lying, would the world be a better place? Instinctively, children learn to lie. Trust me, I just spend 12 days on vacation with my 13-year-old niece (not fun, trust me!). She knows how to fake a cry (like all children). Why? This is because by lying about crying, she can get attention which she desperately wants. Humans learn to lie before they can even talk. But does that make it morally wrong? Too much gray line here I'd say.
Lying with good intent can lead to bad results, but so can the truth.
In statistics, you make a choice based on probability. If there is a 90% chance a stock will go up and you buy, but then it goes down, you made a good CHOICE, but you got a bad OUTCOME. Similarly, you could have made a bad CHOICE of not buying and gotten a good OUTCOME of saving yourself money. In the end it's the CHOICE that is determined beforehand, not the OUTCOME.
So why all this talk? If you lie with good INTENT, then the OUTCOME has nothing to do if the lie was morally right or wrong. Your intent is pure, then the lie is morally right. Your lie is meant to hurt, then it is morally wrong (REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CAUSES).
So if you lie to save people, but unfortunately end up killing 200 people, your lie is STILL MORALLY RIGHT, it's just that the outcome ended up being bad (i.e. NOT YOUR FAULT)
Could you please repeat that statement, but in a large room full of Jewish people preferably with guns.
merged: 08-06-2008 ~ 03:40pm
And possibly get yourself shot over it?
P.S. I'll love my neighbor when he/she doesn't have a gun in my face.
merged: 08-06-2008 ~ 03:44pm
Love your enemies is just basic strategy. Use it to get on their good side then stab them in the back. You have to pretend to be a little kid to catch a pedo...
If my questioning of absurd statements is what you'd call an attempt at making myself seem smart, then so be it. I question closed mindedness. I've said many times before and I'll say it again, I have no problem with religion. Religion can help people when they are in hard times and can also be a good guiding light in life as well. It's people and how they twist words and think it's their purpose in life to make everyone just like them. If YOU think God is the only way, that doesn't make it the only way. You don't have to assume that you are right and that everyone else needs to follow suit or they are wrong. That is where my hatred of religion lies... in the PEOPLE not the teachings.
And as for telling me not to procreate and also attempting to call out my parents for a failed job... well let's say that internet anonymity saves your ass right now. I guess it's easy to tell someone that when all I can is your screename, but I bet you'd have a different tone knowing that I'd like beat the living crap out of you if you said that to my face. I was raised the way I believe children should be. You guide them in the direction of being a good citizen but you allow them to make decisions and develop beliefs themselves. My father took me to church if I asked, but was also willing to discuss things when I had doubts. When I rejected Christianity, he was receptive to my concerns and accepted that our answers to life might be different. People don't raise children to be individuals, but would instead chose to raise them as mirrors. Creating a likeness of themselves in a new generation. I see that as an error.
Essentially if I had a child that ended up being a devout Christian, I would be fine with it. He/she would have discovered that truth themselves and not by way of me beating faith into their heads. This is why I urged that other individual not to have children, because they have one mindset and that mindset would have been instilled into that child.
Care to call this a "rant" and proceed to bash on me?
A just applause for you, shoujoboy.
It means, it's better not to bother lying. Just shut up or whatever.
It's an option you can take to not lie.
Lieing is what people do
Everything we do in life is selfish and is to put ourselves above other people (get an advantage over them) we all do it to survive, we need to think of ourselves less as humans but more as animals,
Why don't you go BACK TO YOUR POSTS AND RE-READ THEM. They are obviously attacks on religion. Don't think I'm to ignorant to what you say. If anyone is "bashing" it was you from the start.
Look familiar? I wonder where I got that joke from. Oh! Looks like bashing to me. Anyone want to second?
Ooo, internet threats. Not intimidating.
Personally I am not afraid of you. No matter how big you are. If I did see you I would gladly say that to your face. Really, I am not afraid of getting beat up. But the ability of you actually being able to if we met is questionable.
And I wouldn't mind raising an atheist. If he doesn't want to believe in God so be it, it's his choice, not mine.
If anyone is close-minded it's you, as soon as someone said something like"lying bad as murder" I see your reply. If that is what he believes, then so be it, leave it alone.
And yeah, I won't lie I'm a hypocrite, and I've done nothing to gain respect. I'm not a perfect person, I will never be.
I'm well aware of what my own posts say, I typed them after all. I suppose me saying I have no problem with religion but with some of the people who follow it just won't suffice for you. So let me put it this way. If a person is a devout Christian who follows the Bible to a tee and they never try to push it on me, then we're cool. If they are out in the community doing good in the name of their God, then we're cool. If they come up and say "would like like to know the word of Jesus?" and after I say "no thanks" they say "well I'm always here to talk if you change your mind", were cool.
IF they stand on the side of the street and scream at me at a stop light; if they try to get laws passed in the name God that clearly have hateful implications; if they won't take no for an answer and would rather condemn my life... well they can all get hit by a car as far as I'm concerned.
Does that clear things up for you my friend. I'd also appreciate if you'd stop calling me an atheist, it's not the proper label for me. An atheist says there is no god, period. I'm saying there might be, but until you prove it, I remain a sceptic. As long as science and religion remain on opposite sides of the fence, I will remain seeing what both of them have to say in the greatest questions to life.
Ball is in your court again, care to still call me closed minded?
Lol, those replies make me ROFLMAO!
but yeah serioursly you are taking this too seriously (what did I just said?
lol.)
"to be a little kid to catch a pedo" LOL to that
This is me, posting something, and then going back to being a lurker cause I am bored and have absolutely nothing to do!
Anyways. In terms of the whole thing of what shoujoboy said as dehumanizing us, you have to think of it this way. We are made to survive, we are technically animals, we desire sex, procreate, and all that crap, and as humans, we are very impulsive. We are greedy by nature, and we desire a lot of things whether in reach or not. What dehumanizing with religion is, by taking what we already desire, what we are borned to be, and turning it into a bad thing.
Also, what makes it more dehumanizing is the whole 'love your enemy', an enemy is an enemy, that is what they are. They are what threaten us, and why would you love someone that may take your life? Naturally, by nature, we would hate the person. If we were to literally follow the 'love your enemy' idea, the US probably would not be existing right now, as Germany probably would've already destroyed the Invasion of Normandy with ease, due to lack of reinforcement and power. And we would've probably been screwed over by Japan. Cause, can you kill something you love without guilt?
Lol, those replies make me ROFLMAO!
but yeah serioursly you are taking this too seriously (what did I just said?
lol.)
"to be a little kid to catch a pedo" LOL to that
I don't think the Jewish people would think I was to serious if they heard someone make light of Hitler's atrocities.
I'm done with hitler jokes if everyone else is.
I kinda agree. Why don't you just mind you own freakin business?!
If that's his/her opinion, then so be it
First of all, I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE OPINION OF PEOPLE TO OTHERS IDEA- I WANT TO KNOW THEIR IDEA!
If you're just going to put your crappy comments in my thread then just get lost because I don't need you to post here in this thread!
Why does it feel like no one actually read the thread?
it is worth nothing that if 'love your enemy' can be achieved, there would be no more wars. no WWI. no WWII, no terrorism, and such. 'love your enemy' can easily translate to 'tolerance' war after all is the final option in diplomacy. because most humans hold attitude of "why do i have to 'love' my enemy when i don't know if my enemy would 'love' me back?" so you see, THAT makes the destructions and that makes war an unavoidable thing for humans.
I usually thought wars start from greed. >.> and doesn't loving your enemy not make them enemies anymore?