In my earlier thread (http://forum.minitokyo.net/showthread/10117), I brought up
the question about what could be done with leechers. AS we know, our site has
been awesome since the new upgrade. but lately, laots of time-outs and error
messages have been appearing, which are quite annoying. For the sake of sheqel,
and our impatience (lol) here is the question:
How would you feel about paying for a
subscription to minitokyo? For a premium account, price would be somewhere
around 10$ quarterly. (10$ every three months, thats less than most
people spend on X-box live) remember, please
vote!
As for me, I'm in. I know how it is to run a site. (costly, time consuming, and
kinda stressful) with us helpin keep the site alive, the site could flourish in
ways we never imagined.
umm... for me, personally that idea would be too much of a cost...
not that I don't have that amount, but for my country's currency, that amount is
a little bit too high
and fyi, I don't own an Xbox nor I played on Xbox live *lol*
I'd be in, but I think most of the membership couldn't afford $40 a year (though
that is the equivalent of one video game or two animes).
If we go to a membership system, then whatever the fee, it should provide
unlimited access to scans, walls, and other artwork. Everyone else gets access
only to a handful of walls. There could be an ongoing "look at the recent
submissions!" section to tantalize others into signing up; if the scan and
artwork quality is high enough, people will participate.
In any event the cost should be fairly low so the younger folks can participate.
i would lovely to donate
but
-doesn't have a credit card
-yes , my curreny against dollar is sux
-have any other method than credit card ?
-i can donate about $10, every three month
-what benefit that premium member have
-how bout ppl that don't join the premium member ?
Quote by miketoI'd be in, but I think most
of the membership couldn't afford $40 a year (though that is the equivalent of
one video game or two animes).
If we go to a membership system, then whatever the fee, it should provide
unlimited access to scans, walls, and other artwork. Everyone else gets access
only to a handful of walls. There could be an ongoing "look at the recent
submissions!" section to tantalize others into signing up; if the scan and
artwork quality is high enough, people will participate.
In any event the cost should be fairly low so the younger folks can
participate.
my thoughts exactly. if you scour the databsae you will notice that a
significant amount of members are as young as 12 or 13. so in essence their
parents would be paying this expense. so that alone wouldn't make your plan
viable. also you would then be punishing a lot of the young kids who are quite
creative.
personally i love this site and would have no problem contributing (hey i did so
when i joined) but i would expect unlimited, fast access to the servers.
edit:below
Quote by sheqelwhat about, $10 quarterly,
and $25 yearly.
well yes, there is the issue about kids. I'm about to contradicct ,yself here,
bear with me:
advantages of paying: help with server stuff, kep out little kids who se stuff
that is waaaaay more ecchi than they need to see, and closer community
disadvantages: really promising "young people" not being able to join
( I saw an amazing waller today, and she only in 8th grade) problem of not
having credit cards, foreign currency exchanges, etc.
maybe in exchange for not paying, the members could do something for the
community. don't ask e what, I have no idea
What happens if someone gets banned, do they get their money back? And how would
the others deal with handling that much money - therefore they have to have some
say about how the site should be run. If someone pays $40 and gets slapped on
the head for getting their complaints ignored, it drives them nuts - and yet
another debate comes into play - this time a legality issue. Well, I'm sure you
peeps will think of it later to come.
For me, I'd take the $10 a year plan. 10 dollars - everyone can handle that
much. Come on, it's like eating an entire cake and actually get it all
year-round.
Some of you people are raising the bar far too high - you know, most of this
site is observed by children much younger than us - in their preteens, and do
you think they have even a credit card to pay for this kind of account. Not
likely.
You get many new members - think about it this way - lower price, more
subscribers. The best way to maxamize your profits would be around a $5 to $10 ,
it works.
hmm how bout have diff payment plans pendin on the ages of the user....acutally
that mite not work on account that ppl can lie about their ages n get outta of
payin more...hmm theres no clear answer for an mt subscription so it seems that
well just have to wait n see how many users wudnt mind tossing in a few dollars
if it wud help the server n bandwidth...
No no no, if you want to avoid all the legal hassles of a payment plan, don't
have one. Instead, have something like an optional donation system. Set the
donation fee at something like $5 or $10 dollars, then give those donators
preferred access to the site's bandwith. That way, theres no legal obligation,
you get money to help maintain the site, and will seriously discourage
leechers.
You could even work out a system for the non-donating members to have increased
access to bandwith depending on their level.
Im Totetlly aginest this Techno.
Just think for a sec, if you want ppl to pay to get a account.
That would give mt a HUGE chance of ppl not joining anymore
sense they HAVE to pay.
Shadowdude spoke out sadly the truth. To me, MT is popular especially because
it's free. Bring money inbetween and it'll sure loose people hence less trafic
hence no need to buy new servers because it doesn't lag anymore. But
something has to be thought up on that.
Maybe limit the amount of members. I mean have those actually registered
remaining free because well... some of you have been here for quite a while now
but the newly registered members would have to pay a fee to become member. So 1/
it would keep the actual popularity which is barely beared by the servers, 2/
bring funds to help MT running smooth again. Well... just my idea...
Quote by SandyShadowdude spoke out sadly
the truth. To me, MT is popular especially because it's free. Bring money
inbetween and it'll sure loose people hence less trafic hence no need to buy new
servers because it doesn't lag anymore. But
something has to be thought up on that.
Maybe limit the amount of members. I mean have those actually registered
remaining free because well... some of you have been here for quite a while now
but the newly registered members would have to pay a fee to become member. So 1/
it would keep the actual popularity which is barely beared by the servers, 2/
bring funds to help MT running smooth again. Well... just my
idea...
Yes, Sandy is right.
Even Tho you Techno try to help out MT, which is excellent.
but you gatto think of its negative feed back of the idea's
nothing good lasts forever. MT, with all these people leeching off the site WILL
make MT deteriorate at a really fast rate.
Quote by nuriko Some stats:
2341 users at lvl 10+, 326 users at 10 only, 35578 total users
Please, continue the discussion. smiley
to get something, you have to give up something. I know how you guys feel, I
don't wanna pay anymore than you do, but if it makes MT a better place, i'm for
it. if paying makes alot of people leave, so be it. if we lose some good 11 yr
old wallers, so what. this site wasn't made for little kids from what i can see.
if you don't like what is being proposed,
suggest something. cause if ya don't, its gonna happen anyway
Quote by sheqel All these these things
will not work. MT needs a 100mbit or faster connection for further support. I
may eventually do the subscriptions thing to cover for hosting.
Quote by tecnophreaknothing good
lasts forever. MT, with all these people leeching off the site WILL make MT
deteriorate at a really fast rate.
Quote by nuriko Some stats:
2341 users at lvl 10+, 326 users at 10 only, 35578 total users
Please, continue the discussion. smiley
to get something, you have to give up something. I know how you guys feel, I
don't wanna pay anymore than you do, but if it makes MT a better place, i'm for
it. if paying makes alot of people leave, so be it. if we lose some good 11 yr
old wallers, so what. this site wasn't made for little kids from what i can see.
if you don't like what is being proposed,
suggest something. cause if ya don't, its gonna happen anyway
Quote by sheqel All these these things
will not work. MT needs a 100mbit or faster connection for further support. I
may eventually do the subscriptions thing to cover for hosting.
Bear with it techophreak, and 11 year olds? dats not funny at all.
look,good wallers/ppl would leave if they have to pay techno, like i said
look into negative feedbacks
In a sense Techno is right too. I mean having a fee for MT subscription would
obviously prevent real leechers and kiddies (since they have no way to pay on
the internet) on the site. But well, if I had to actually pay to benefit of the
community and gallery system, I would likely do my own website (I pay
45€/year my domain for domain name + 100mo
hosting) and go in a free forum like PZ to advertise them. We have
to find a good solution for that matter. *thinks thinks thinks*
35000*$10 = $350,000 pa ... does it cost that much to buy servers and what not?
you would only need to pay like 50 cents :p or a dollar... per year and it
wouldn't break anyones budget... it wouldn't deter leechers though maybe
for like a week until their money goes through. It seems a good idea but maybe
more restrictions must be in place... like no wps until you comment on the wp
(if thats possible) or a post/download credit system where your posts to
downloads can't go under 50%; AO had in their statistics how many downloads and
how many posts were made.
One other thing is to send out leech-nazis who busts caps in leeches and
"name and shame" them in the fourms :p *goes to find leeches*
Quote by NukecloudNo no no, if you want
to avoid all the legal hassles of a payment plan, don't have one. Instead, have
something like an optional donation system. Set the donation fee at something
like $5 or $10 dollars, then give those donators preferred access to the site's
bandwith. That way, theres no legal obligation, you get money to help maintain
the site, and will seriously discourage leechers.
You could even work out a system for the non-donating members to have increased
access to bandwith depending on their level.
If bandwidth becomes too much of a problem, put in more limitations on leachers,
restricting more downloads, quotas, etc. But charging a fee won't fly, everybody
will just go somewhere else. Sad but true.
In my earlier thread (http://forum.minitokyo.net/showthread/10117), I brought up the question about what could be done with leechers. AS we know, our site has been awesome since the new upgrade. but lately, laots of time-outs and error messages have been appearing, which are quite annoying. For the sake of sheqel, and our impatience (lol) here is the question:
How would you feel about paying for a subscription to minitokyo? For a premium account, price would be somewhere around 10$ quarterly. (10$ every three months, thats less than most people spend on X-box live) remember, please vote!
As for me, I'm in. I know how it is to run a site. (costly, time consuming, and kinda stressful) with us helpin keep the site alive, the site could flourish in ways we never imagined.
umm... for me, personally that idea would be too much of a cost...
*lol*
not that I don't have that amount, but for my country's currency, that amount is a little bit too high
and fyi, I don't own an Xbox nor I played on Xbox live
I'd be in, but I think most of the membership couldn't afford $40 a year (though that is the equivalent of one video game or two animes).
If we go to a membership system, then whatever the fee, it should provide unlimited access to scans, walls, and other artwork. Everyone else gets access only to a handful of walls. There could be an ongoing "look at the recent submissions!" section to tantalize others into signing up; if the scan and artwork quality is high enough, people will participate.
In any event the cost should be fairly low so the younger folks can participate.
what about, $10 quarterly, and $25 yearly.
i would lovely to donate
but
-doesn't have a credit card
-yes , my curreny against dollar is sux
-have any other method than credit card ?
-i can donate about $10, every three month
-what benefit that premium member have
-how bout ppl that don't join the premium member ?
my thoughts exactly. if you scour the databsae you will notice that a significant amount of members are as young as 12 or 13. so in essence their parents would be paying this expense. so that alone wouldn't make your plan viable. also you would then be punishing a lot of the young kids who are quite creative.
personally i love this site and would have no problem contributing (hey i did so when i joined) but i would expect unlimited, fast access to the servers.
edit:below
im game.
whoa yeh gotta understand other ppl whos still a kid! i dont even own a bank account n yer asking like this? man....
well yes, there is the issue about kids. I'm about to contradicct ,yself here, bear with me:
advantages of paying: help with server stuff, kep out little kids who se stuff that is waaaaay more ecchi than they need to see, and closer community
disadvantages: really promising "young people" not being able to join ( I saw an amazing waller today, and she only in 8th grade) problem of not having credit cards, foreign currency exchanges, etc.
maybe in exchange for not paying, the members could do something for the community. don't ask e what, I have no idea
sounds good...
or better, make it :
-$2.5 monthly or
-$8 quarterly or
-$20 yearly.
aibuster : yes I know that...
I'm
not so happy to hear about this, too, but I hope Sheq can find a much better
solution for us all..... 
$40 is a little TOO much, wouldn't you say?
What happens if someone gets banned, do they get their money back? And how would the others deal with handling that much money - therefore they have to have some say about how the site should be run. If someone pays $40 and gets slapped on the head for getting their complaints ignored, it drives them nuts - and yet another debate comes into play - this time a legality issue. Well, I'm sure you peeps will think of it later to come.
For me, I'd take the $10 a year plan. 10 dollars - everyone can handle that much. Come on, it's like eating an entire cake and actually get it all year-round.
Some of you people are raising the bar far too high - you know, most of this site is observed by children much younger than us - in their preteens, and do you think they have even a credit card to pay for this kind of account. Not likely.
You get many new members - think about it this way - lower price, more subscribers. The best way to maxamize your profits would be around a $5 to $10 , it works.
hmm how bout have diff payment plans pendin on the ages of the user....acutally that mite not work on account that ppl can lie about their ages n get outta of payin more...hmm theres no clear answer for an mt subscription so it seems that well just have to wait n see how many users wudnt mind tossing in a few dollars if it wud help the server n bandwidth...
sorry, I can't figure out how to set u pa poll, lol
....
sorry, I can't figure out how to set u pa poll, lol
.... UGH! dam timeouts!!! ....
No no no, if you want to avoid all the legal hassles of a payment plan, don't have one. Instead, have something like an optional donation system. Set the donation fee at something like $5 or $10 dollars, then give those donators preferred access to the site's bandwith. That way, theres no legal obligation, you get money to help maintain the site, and will seriously discourage leechers.
You could even work out a system for the non-donating members to have increased access to bandwith depending on their level.
Im Totetlly aginest this Techno.
Just think for a sec, if you want ppl to pay to get a account.
That would give mt a HUGE chance of ppl not joining anymore
sense they HAVE to pay.
Shadowdude spoke out sadly the truth. To me, MT is popular especially because it's free. Bring money inbetween and it'll sure loose people hence less trafic hence no need to buy new servers because it doesn't lag anymore.
But
something has to be thought up on that.
Maybe limit the amount of members. I mean have those actually registered remaining free because well... some of you have been here for quite a while now but the newly registered members would have to pay a fee to become member. So 1/ it would keep the actual popularity which is barely beared by the servers, 2/ bring funds to help MT running smooth again. Well... just my idea...
Yes, Sandy is right.
Even Tho you Techno try to help out MT, which is excellent.
but you gatto think of its negative feed back of the idea's
Feh. What's the problem of having a free, over-crowded site? Bandwidth? Bear with it, man.
nothing good lasts forever. MT, with all these people leeching off the site WILL make MT deteriorate at a really fast rate.
to get something, you have to give up something. I know how you guys feel, I don't wanna pay anymore than you do, but if it makes MT a better place, i'm for it. if paying makes alot of people leave, so be it. if we lose some good 11 yr old wallers, so what. this site wasn't made for little kids from what i can see. if you don't like what is being proposed, suggest something. cause if ya don't, its gonna happen anyway
Bear with it techophreak, and 11 year olds? dats not funny at all.
look,good wallers/ppl would leave if they have to pay techno, like i said
look into negative feedbacks
In a sense Techno is right too. I mean having a fee for MT subscription would obviously prevent real leechers and kiddies (since they have no way to pay on the internet) on the site. But well, if I had to actually pay to benefit of the community and gallery system, I would likely do my own website (I pay 45€/year my domain for domain name + 100mo hosting) and go in a free forum like PZ to advertise them.
We have
to find a good solution for that matter. *thinks thinks thinks*
35000*$10 = $350,000 pa ... does it cost that much to buy servers and what not? you would only need to pay like 50 cents :p or a dollar... per year and it wouldn't break anyones budget... it wouldn't deter leechers though
maybe
for like a week until their money goes through. It seems a good idea but maybe
more restrictions must be in place... like no wps until you comment on the wp
(if thats possible) or a post/download credit system where your posts to
downloads can't go under 50%; AO had in their statistics how many downloads and
how many posts were made.
One other thing is to send out leech-nazis who busts caps in leeches and "name and shame" them in the fourms :p *goes to find leeches*
That looks like a better plan to me.
If bandwidth becomes too much of a problem, put in more limitations on leachers, restricting more downloads, quotas, etc. But charging a fee won't fly, everybody will just go somewhere else. Sad but true.