I think this is a horrible new policy over at DeviantArt. I've been a member
there for years, yet never posted anything. Then yesterday, after joining the MT
community here, I was prompted to post the only anime wallpaper I've ever
created and thought well enough of to share. So I cross-posted it on DA and MT,
only to find out that DA has now banned all Anime wallpaper becaues of copyright
restrictions. I mean, come on! There are millions of movie/actor(actress)/model
wallpapers that are on DA that are infringing.
Legally, they're correct. But ... i mean .... the whole site is art. Look at
this site! and look how many great wallpapers there are here which would
definately be called derivitive, yet don't have "the original copyright
holder's permission"...
Quote by efalskenI think this is a
horrible new policy over at DeviantArt. I've been a
member there for years, yet never posted anything. Then yesterday,
after joining the MT community here, I was prompted to post the only
anime wallpaper I've ever created and thought well enough of to share.
So I cross-posted it on DA and MT, only to find out that DA has now
banned all Anime wallpaper becaues of copyright restrictions. I mean,
come on! There are millions of movie/actor(actress)/model wallpapers
that are on DA that are infringing.
Here's alink to the new policy: http://news.deviantart.com/article/12501/
Legally, they're correct. But ... i mean .... the whole site is art.
Look at this site! and look how many great wallpapers there are here
which would definately be called derivitive, yet don't have "the
original copyright holder's permission"...
Hmmm.. O_o;;; wierd....there's no real reason to banning these things.... They
will be posted somewhere else and chances are they will lose a few members
O_o;;; Not that they care, they have more than enough as it is
Right, it's just a really awkward policy that only serves to hurt them in the
long run. They claim that it will improve the quality of the art on DA, but
that's such a joke. They allow users to post pictures of their friends, and
stick figure MS Paint scribbling. I for one truly appreciate the MT policy of
removing .... sub-par artworks. It seems like some of the scans should fall into
that category as well, but... oh well.
I was a deviant art member. Then I started disliking the way they handled many
things and quit.
Anime wall papers ARE fan art. People take the time to create something new from
characters. All that other stuff on deviant, there's much more copyright
infringements in those than anime wallpapers.
But I guess my bias against deviant just makes it very difficult for me to agree
with them. I don't even visit anymore.
Hm, I think the foundation for this policy is fine. Yes, it's creating new
artwork, but the problem is that the art is outrightly using a picture that was
not created by you. And though I agree with you that that policy may hurt
DeviantArt, lacking that policy would put DA in serious copyright infringement,
and they'd probably be sued and shut down. DA is a rapidly growing professional
site of many types of artwork and gets quite a bit of media attention, so if it
were discovered that their policy allows copyrighted artwork, it would be dealt
with. True, there are other wallpaper categories that include copyrighted
pictures, these are gradually being dealt with. Considering the huge anime fan
population of the site, if the policy were not to exist, they'd stick out quite
obviously to the media, and DA would be in a lot of trouble.
"New" policy? I remember it being applied at the time Old AnimeOnline
was still up! *clicks* January 2004. It's been more than a full year. About the time of MT's existance!
Can we call that "new"?
By the way, using copyrighted material on walls is, potentially, copyright
infringement, actually. It just isn't serious because we, huh, don't make money
out of it.
Quote by -renkinjutsushi-Also,
"redrawing" is allowed, which vectoring would fall under.
:P
Quote by -renkinjutsushi-That's
what websites like this are for. :/
Also, "redrawing" is allowed, which vectoring would fall under.
:P
Actually, you're wrong. Vectoring is a derivative work because the result would
be "very similar" to the original, and was created with the intent to
appear as similar to the original as possible. (intent is just as important as
the output)
The conversion of a copyrighted material from one form into another is also
considered a derivative work. Example: a book into a play into a screenplay into
a movie into a website are actually 5 different copyrightable but derived works.
But any character which appeared in the book cannot appear on the website
without the explicit permission of the authoer of the book. Likewise, any spoken
lines in the movie which also appeared in the book would have to have the
author's permission. But if the name of the movie were different from the book,
the website would only have to get the holder of the movie copyright to give
them permission.
It was all new to me too until I looked it up and did some research.
Quote by -renkinjutsushi-That's
what websites like this are for. :/
exactly. I dont really like deviantart it takes to long to load pages and i got
roadrunner..
And using anime in a wallpaper I dont think is copyright infringement if you
edit it. Is it?
It was actually put into effect in late 2003/early 2004. The reason is that it
is not considered fan art due to nothing about the chaaracter being changed
except the background. It's DA's policy, whining about it isn't going to change
it.
Quote by calisqoisn't that the reason why
MT was born ?
That policy been around there for quite sometime now.
I'd
like to state that, back then, we used to post our wallpapers at AnimeOnline, as
well, for instance.
Therefore, I don't think MT was created because of DA's change of
policy.
Hmm well i'm not quite sure about that too actually, but I do remeber Nuriko (I
think) answering this question (why mt was created)
And her answer is because DA banned anime >.> well , don't count on me on
the validity of the info here
I might be wrong ,
Man. That sucks. but you have to admit, they're saving their own hides. Just
imagine you're in their position and looking down the barrel of a lawsuit.
still, it's a real bummer...
I think this is a horrible new policy over at DeviantArt. I've been a member there for years, yet never posted anything. Then yesterday, after joining the MT community here, I was prompted to post the only anime wallpaper I've ever created and thought well enough of to share. So I cross-posted it on DA and MT, only to find out that DA has now banned all Anime wallpaper becaues of copyright restrictions. I mean, come on! There are millions of movie/actor(actress)/model wallpapers that are on DA that are infringing.
Here's alink to the new policy: http://news.deviantart.com/article/12501/
Legally, they're correct. But ... i mean .... the whole site is art. Look at this site! and look how many great wallpapers there are here which would definately be called derivitive, yet don't have "the original copyright holder's permission"...
Hmmm.. O_o;;; wierd....there's no real reason to banning these things.... They will be posted somewhere else and chances are they will lose a few members O_o;;; Not that they care, they have more than enough as it is
Yea I remembered they banned that awhile ago.
Right, it's just a really awkward policy that only serves to hurt them in the long run. They claim that it will improve the quality of the art on DA, but that's such a joke. They allow users to post pictures of their friends, and stick figure MS Paint scribbling. I for one truly appreciate the MT policy of removing .... sub-par artworks. It seems like some of the scans should fall into that category as well, but... oh well.
I was a deviant art member. Then I started disliking the way they handled many things and quit.
Anime wall papers ARE fan art. People take the time to create something new from characters. All that other stuff on deviant, there's much more copyright infringements in those than anime wallpapers.
But I guess my bias against deviant just makes it very difficult for me to agree with them. I don't even visit anymore.
Hm, I think the foundation for this policy is fine. Yes, it's creating new artwork, but the problem is that the art is outrightly using a picture that was not created by you. And though I agree with you that that policy may hurt DeviantArt, lacking that policy would put DA in serious copyright infringement, and they'd probably be sued and shut down. DA is a rapidly growing professional site of many types of artwork and gets quite a bit of media attention, so if it were discovered that their policy allows copyrighted artwork, it would be dealt with. True, there are other wallpaper categories that include copyrighted pictures, these are gradually being dealt with. Considering the huge anime fan population of the site, if the policy were not to exist, they'd stick out quite obviously to the media, and DA would be in a lot of trouble.
That's what websites like this are for. :/
Also, "redrawing" is allowed, which vectoring would fall under. :P
Dude that sucks......... good thing I didn't submit anything to that site then!!
"New" policy? I remember it being applied at the time Old AnimeOnline was still up! *clicks* January 2004. It's been more than a full year. About the time of MT's existance! Can we call that "new"?
By the way, using copyrighted material on walls is, potentially, copyright infringement, actually. It just isn't serious because we, huh, don't make money out of it.
Personally, I have my doubts.
Actually, you're wrong. Vectoring is a derivative work because the result would be "very similar" to the original, and was created with the intent to appear as similar to the original as possible. (intent is just as important as the output)
The conversion of a copyrighted material from one form into another is also considered a derivative work. Example: a book into a play into a screenplay into a movie into a website are actually 5 different copyrightable but derived works. But any character which appeared in the book cannot appear on the website without the explicit permission of the authoer of the book. Likewise, any spoken lines in the movie which also appeared in the book would have to have the author's permission. But if the name of the movie were different from the book, the website would only have to get the holder of the movie copyright to give them permission.
It was all new to me too until I looked it up and did some research.
exactly. I dont really like deviantart it takes to long to load pages and i got roadrunner..
And using anime in a wallpaper I dont think is copyright infringement if you edit it. Is it?
It was actually put into effect in late 2003/early 2004. The reason is that it is not considered fan art due to nothing about the chaaracter being changed except the background. It's DA's policy, whining about it isn't going to change it.
That's what we're here for.
isn't that the reason why MT was born ?
That policy been around there for quite sometime now.
Oh, you're actually right. I hadn't actually checked the date of the change... So I guess it isn't new...
Still sucks though
I'd like to state that, back then, we used to post our wallpapers at AnimeOnline, as well, for instance.
Therefore, I don't think MT was created because of DA's change of policy.
Hmm well i'm not quite sure about that too actually, but I do remeber Nuriko (I think) answering this question (why mt was created)
I might be wrong , 
And her answer is because DA banned anime >.> well , don't count on me on the validity of the info here
DA has consistently lost users to their stupid policies. I left years ago after a shouting match with Jark.
DA just thinks that is bad. MT condemns "ripping" walls but allows "ripping" scans. They are just hold themselves to higher ethical standards.
Copyrights are among the most questionable ethical standards in this day and age.
Man its been a while now.. ahh the good old days when Dev art wasnt anal.
Man. That sucks. but you have to admit, they're saving their own hides. Just imagine you're in their position and looking down the barrel of a lawsuit. still, it's a real bummer...