I got a Question... When you say GOD which GOD are you refering to? The christian's or the muslim's or
the buddhist's or the Taoism's or the Hindu's or your self-defined GOD? Whenever
someone say GOD, do you imagine that GOD is an old big guy with long white beard
sitting in heaven watching down on earth? (I know most christian's
do)...
The point I'm making??? you can't even agree on a single definition of GOD how
do you say anything about it? To think that you know it all because u read it
from something that is written by another man (pointing to all religion)... To
memorize all its words and to understand it by your own meaning and to preach in
hoping others will agree with your point of views and to feel that you are
closer to your GOD than any others...
"i never really hated a one true god But the God of the people I
hated" - MM
No you misunderstand me I have stated before in the past I believe in all the
God[s] I do not think my belief of God is better then someone else's who
believes in it.I never meant to sound that way if I ever did I apologize to you
all,I honestly do not think that I am also not a "bible-thumper" And I
am not trying to get others to agree with "my God" I am simply trying
to let others understand the simple logical fact that a higher lifeform wether
you call him/her/it God,Buddah,Ali whatever you may call it DOES indeed exist
and will judged those on this planet.
Quote by ender85Most Atheists would not
claim to "know" there is no God. There is no
evidence of a God and there is no rational reason to believe there is
one. Why are all of you bothering with proof/disproof? If you could do
either, there would be no need for religion.
I cannot disprove a well-written story. You live in your story and
telling you it isn't true isn't enough to convince you. Sadly, I cannot
help you. Figure it out on your own.
Really,interesting.Hmmm see I agree somewhat with what you said and here is the
part:Atheists claim as you said to "know" there is no God but then you
said there is no evidence.That I disagree with the fact is simple,God exists and
God will pass down judgement upon all of us regardless of if some say "he
does not exist" so on and so fourth.I am also thinking what you said ender
is kind of well totally unfounded,if we could prove God does or does not exist
there would be no reason for religon? " Why are all of you bothering with
proof/disproof? If you could do either, there would be no need for
religion." But if we could prove it then it would prove everything we have
said about religon is true so then there would be a reason for it now wouldn't
there?
Proof denies faith. If you had some really solid
proof God exists, the concept of faith would lose most of its meaning. People
would believe in God, not because they trust him and believe in him, but simply
because they would have no choice but to accept the facts.
Second, I said Atheists cannot know if God exists. Even if God exists, that
does not mean he provides evidence that he exists. God might exist, and he
might not, but unless we have evidence he exists there is no reason to presume
he exists. We trust reality and we do not believe your stories. Is that really
such a terrible thing? It is a different mindset then your own, but hardly
grounds to condemn. I do not understand how people can believe a religion that
seriously considers thought contrary to theirs as worthy of eternal damnation.
Throughout the medievil ages the black plauge and so on devastated the planet
almost al of the people who survived blammed god why? simple cause everytime
something bad happens that someone does not fully understand they blame god or a
higher power because since they do not understand it it cannot possibly be their
fault or a simmple natural occurance.I think everyone has forgotten about the
morning starr here,alot of the bad shit he causes through fueled energy all of
you anti god and generally hateful people create,is it truley so hard to think
positivly?
Quote by ZeroDegressThroughout the
medievil ages the black plauge and so on devastated the planet almost al of the
people who survived blammed god why? simple cause everytime something bad
happens that someone does not fully understand they blame god or a higher power
because since they do not understand it it cannot possibly be their fault or a
simmple natural occurance.I think everyone has forgotten about the morning starr
here,alot of the bad shit he causes through fueled energy all of you anti god
and generally hateful people create,is it truley so hard to think
positivly?
Religious people should know that if God created
the universe and all life, it would be stupid to be angry at him. Atheists
should not be angry at something that does not exist. The only ones who should
be angry are the people who aren't thinking.
I am an atheist (actually agnostic, but agnostics and atheists are the same in
the eyes of a theist, so I will use atheist, for it is a more recognizable term.
And I like it better).
Asking for absolute proof of anything, negative or affirmative, simply does not
work. The closest we can come is saying that something is highly probable or
highly improbable. Negative proof is even sillier to ask for. Say that I wish
to prove that reindeer cannot fly. How would I go about doing this? I could
put a bunch of reindeer on top of a roof and start pushing them off. After the
first few hit the ground, can I conclude that reindeer absolutely cannot fly?
Clearly not - all it takes is one reindeer to take off for that statement to be
proven false. But I can conclude that it is highly improbable for reindeer to
fly.
But that's not the point of my post. While I am an agnostic, and do not know if
a higher being does or does not exist, my personal belief is that there is none,
and furthermore, even if there were a higher being, it is not the God described
by Christianity. And yes, I came to this conclusion logically.
The Christian God is usually described as omniscient, omnipresent, and
all-knowing. People like to say that God loves you, and that God is kind and
benevolent. Now, suppose this is all true - how did the world end up in the
state that it is in now? As Richard Dawkins writes, "Irishmen blow each
other up in [God's] name. Arabs blow themselves up in his name. Imams and
ayatollahs oppress women in his name. Celibate popes and priests mess up
people's sex lives in his name. Jewish shohets cut live animals' throats in his
name. The achievements of religion in past history -- bloody crusades, torturing
inquisitions, mass-murdering conquistadors, culture-destroying missionaries,
legally enforced resistance to each new piece of scientific truth until the last
possible moment -- are even more impressive. And what has it all been in aid of?
I believe it is becoming increasingly clear that the answer is absolutely
nothing at all." With all of the crap going down in the world now and
throughout history, I cannot bring myself to believe in a benevolent
God.
Imagine a mother who took care of her children, fed them, clothed them, and
provided them with all the parental guidance and affection that they needed.
Most people would say that that mother loves her children. Now imagine a mother
who murdered her children, poisoned their food, or abandoned them. Most people
would say that that mother does not love her children. Yet Christians claim
that God loves all of mankind, even whilst God sends earthquakes, tornadoes,
hurricanes, and all manner of things to kill us.
If God is truly all-powerful and all-good, why does evil exist in this world?
As Epicurus says, "God either wishes to take away evil, and is unable, or
He is able, and unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both
willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in
accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is
malicious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor
able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both
willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are
evils? or why does He not remove them?"
I try to live a good life and be at least generally agreeable to other people
and things. I know I'll certainly find out someday what, if anything, happens
when you die. Other than that I try to live my life and not waste my time
worrying about it.
Destati: The Christian God was never described as benevolent. Omniscient, yes.
Omnipresent, yes. Omnipotent, yes. Loves you, yes.
That is just conjecture. But what you've stated is simply a rewording of a
fairly classic argument. "If there was an all-powerful and all-loving God,
there would not be evil and suffering in the world. Since there is evil and
suffering the the world, there cannot be an all-powerful and all-loving
God." And to discredit this argument, all you really need to do is make the
claim that it is possible for such a God to be all-loving and still allow there
to be evil and/or suffering in the world.
1) In the past I have heard the theory that God allows evil to exist to serve as
a kind of foil.
2) Enter here a cute little example from Finding Nemo, where the lady fish with
a D name and a memory about as bad as mine currently seems to be who said 'If
you never let anything happen to him, nothing would ever happen to him'. And
then another couple of quotes: 'Spare the rod, spoil the child'. 'He who spares
the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him'. If
you made the claim that we are God's children, then some of that would make
perfect sense. And it IS true that people's growth of character is far more
notable during times of stress.
3) Einstein did the theory behind nuclear weapons with the best possible
intentions - he thought it would entirely eliminate war - and I've never heard
anybody seriously blame him for all the deaths the technology has caused, yet
people blame their actions and the actions extremists commit out of their own
free will on God. Strange...
Anyway, I blame most, if not all of the evil and suffering in this world
entirely on a lot of individual, usually selfish choices made by a lot of people
the world over. My point is simply that your argument does not give conclusive
evidence in any form to either believe there is or is not a God.
right so now you changed your theory cause you were getting beat down? anyway
you are as usual half right god does not allow evil but there has to be balance
come on people I assumed anyone who would come into my thread would have the
basic concept of the first rule of life: there must always be balance there has
to be dark for good to exist to fight it and there has to be something for good
to fight,makes sense when you think about it logically doesn't it.
Quote by ZeroDegressright so now you
changed your theory cause you were getting beat down?
anyway you are as usual half right god does not allow evil but there
has to be balance come on people I assumed anyone who would come into
my thread would have the basic concept of the first rule of life: there
must always be balance there has to be dark for good to exist to fight
it and there has to be something for good to fight,makes sense when you
think about it logically doesn't it.
Why don't you stop insulting other people and actually back up one of your
claims for once? I'm getting somewhat sick of you telling everybody else that
they're wrong and giving no justification for it.
Quote by ZeroDegressright so now you
changed your theory cause you were
getting beat down?
anyway you are as usual half right god does not allow evil but there
has to be balance come on people I assumed anyone who would come into
my thread would have the basic concept of the first rule of life: there
must always be balance there has to be dark for good to exist to fight
it and there has to be something for good to fight,makes sense when you
think about it logically doesn't it.
Why don't you stop insulting other people and actually back up one of
your claims for once? I'm getting somewhat sick of you telling
everybody else that they're wrong and giving no justification for
it.
Ummmm I do not mean to sound rude or anything but one:why don't you do the same?
and two: yeah he made good points in his last post you just got mad cause he
called you on it so umm yeah sorry for sounding rude,but I agree with BOTH of
you on certain topics like how there does have to be balance but it would be
easier not to believe in anything cause if someone did then that in itself would
be validation. [to me kind of a cheap way out but I'll stick with my beliefs]
He made one point in his last post, by stating that there had to be balance.
Which is not always true. I can't be bothered extrapolating on my personal view
of that right now, as I'm annoyed and that generally comes across badly in what
I write... I object strenuously to him saying that I've changed my theories. I
only change my theories when I have good reason to, and I've thought most of
them through quite thoroughly, so I almost never do have a reason to. (I do have
a lot of them, of course, most of which you will never have the privilege of
hearing)). What I was doing, in fact, was putting out a few ideas for people to
think over to promote discussion, yet the first thing he does is make a blanket
statement that is an insult to me and addresses none of what I've said.
Quote by Zero37Anyway, I blame most, if
not all of the evil and suffering in this world entirely on a lot of individual,
usually selfish choices made by a lot of people the world
over
You sure are right. I have said this before, but here again: The only thing
needed to end all wars is for all people to agree to end all wars.
We can end all hunger, if all people want it, etc. It is because of peoples
selfishness and different personalities that this still not has happened.
After so many posts, it can clearly be seen that there are some (especially the
one that started this whole thing) wanted to voice out their own opinion or
point of views... and so desparately wanted others to agree with them (why?)...
In the process of quoting their own opinion, things started to get a lil ugly
because it all sounded like others are trying to tell you that your thinking or
sense of logic is very wrong and that their thinkings are the truth (it's
painful to be insulted like that... ouch~!)... It never was about beliefs and
GOD, it is about ego and self-centered attitude that kept this thread going (was
it intentional??)...
Voice your opinion and listen to others (open mind) and never ever tell others
that what you think is right or what you believe is...
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
sure about the the universe" ~ Einstein
If you think you're way smarter or greater than Einstein than you're just too
darn blind to see...
Quote by Zero37Anyway, I blame most, if
not all of the evil and
suffering in this world entirely on a lot of individual, usually
selfish choices made by a lot of people the world over
You sure are right. I have said this before, but here again: The only
thing needed to end all wars is for all people to agree to end all
wars.
We can end all hunger, if all people want it, etc. It is because of
peoples selfishness and different personalities that this still not has
happened.
So true. Now, if only you could figure out a way to make that happen. There'd
definately be a Nobel Prize in it for you . But
somehow I suspect it would take the impending end of the world to get mankind to
agree on even so basic a thing as not killing each other.
For me it is not about ego, I want to learn. If somebody replies to me saying my
theory is illogical, I want to know why he-she thinks it is illogical. It is not
like I want them to force themselves towards my view.
A thing I cant stand here is that when people tell me my theories are illogical,
they dont tell why they think that way. I think those empty replies make up a
large deal of this thread.
Well, actually, for the purposes of this discussion, I could care less what
people's actual opinions are (sorry guys, I know you must be devastated). My
intention has been simply to challenge people to actually think through their
viewpoints. What value has your faith, if the only way you can defend it from
another is to tell them that you're right and they're wrong? It seems hardly
worthwhile to convince somebody that you're right out of force of character, but
if you're actually forced to reason through why you believe something, it makes
you stronger. For example when I was doing maths in school, particularly
calculus and physics, myself and a group of friends would go through all the
formulas as they were given, individually, and try to prove (not always
successfully, but usually) how and why they worked, and then compare our
results. There were 5-6 of us, and consequently we were always the top people in those subjects.
Anyway... Working out why you believe something is a great way to expand your
knowledge about the field in question.
Quote by ZeroDegressNo you
misunderstand me I have stated before in the past I believe in all the God[s] I
do not think my belief of God is better then someone else's who believes in it.I
never meant to sound that way if I ever did I apologize to you all,I honestly do
not think that I am also not a "bible-thumper" And I am not trying to
get others to agree with "my God" I am simply trying to let others
understand the simple logical fact that a higher lifeform wether you call
him/her/it God,Buddah,Ali whatever you may call it DOES indeed exist and will
judged those on this planet.
If your Christian then you could only believe in one God. Also God and Ali are
the same. You said Earlier that you believed in one God. We all assumed it was
the traditional Christian God but now it is different. Also God is definantly a
man, he is said to create men in his image. Did you even read the
Bible?
I don't like the fact there is a higher being. Because you said that now I
understand how religion remain to be top in the social class. If God belongs to
a class higher than the rich or poor then we must overthrow him. The fact that
he is above us means he is allowed to exploit us. But why believe in God when he
is the single person in the heirachy. We should believe in the proletarians who
are the majority and who are in the bottom in the heirarchy along with the
homeless.
Quote by xdayAlso God is definantly a man,
he is said to create men in his image. Did you even read the
Bible?
If god made man in his image, does god have reproductive organs? I mean, if he
is a man, he would need to have such
organs to be so. And if he did, why would he need to be a man in the first
place? Is there a female god that he can have relations with? Or does man just
have reproductive organs because we are exactly like other species on this
planet, and our only reason for living is to reproduce? Does anyone even think
about details like this?
Quote by ZeroDegressright so now you
changed your theory cause you were getting beat down? anyway you are as usual
half right god does not allow evil but there has to be balance come on people I
assumed anyone who would come into my thread would have the basic concept of the
first rule of life: there must always be balance there has to be dark for good
to exist to fight it and there has to be something for good to fight,makes sense
when you think about it logically doesn't it.
You are
half-right from my viewpoint. There must be an evil for good to exist. That is
why we arbitrarily label some actions or people as evil. Good and evil are,
after all, a human invention. We define them and we apply them to our lives to
give a structure to our own actions and the actions of others.
When a new issue comes up, like abortion, there is no predefined right or wrong.
Everyone has to make up their own mind based on what they believe. Good and
evil are useful tools, but only for the individual. When you try to apply those
morals to others, you promote ignorance by using good and evil to define people
and the actions they take.
Quote by GEEFor me it is not about ego, I
want to learn. If somebody replies to me saying my theory is illogical, I want
to know why he-she thinks it is illogical. It is not like I want them to force
themselves towards my view.
A thing I cant stand here is that when people tell me my theories are illogical,
they dont tell why they think that way. I think those empty replies make up a
large deal of this thread.
I agree just from reading people think that their right about everything and
your wrong but don't wanna tell you why
Quote by Zero37The Christian God was never
described as benevolent. Omniscient, yes. Omnipresent, yes. Omnipotent, yes.
Loves you, yes.
Ok, my mistake.
Quote by Zero371) In the past I have heard
the theory that God allows evil to exist to serve as a kind of
foil.
I don't agree with that. If there were no evil, would
people no longer do good? As someone who believes that people are inherently
good, that's something that I can't agree with.
Quote by Zero372) Enter here a cute little
example from Finding Nemo, where the lady fish with a D name and a memory about
as bad as mine currently seems to be who said 'If you never let anything happen
to him, nothing would ever happen to him'. And then another couple of quotes:
'Spare the rod, spoil the child'. 'He who spares the rod hates his son, but he
who loves him is diligent to discipline him'. If you made the claim that we are
God's children, then some of that would make perfect sense. And it IS true that
people's growth of character is far more notable during times of
stress.
In the Bible, God wipes out humanity at least once
(the flood of Noah's Ark fame), and commands his people to commit genocide
several more times (Exodus, when the first-borns are killed; Deuteronomy and
Joshua, when God ordered the Hebrews to invade the "promised land" and
totally exterminate "the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and
the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites" leaving "alive nothing
that breathes"). How have we, as mankind, progressed since then? Do we
not still maim and kill each other? Do we not still hate each other?
Quote by Zero373) Einstein did the theory
behind nuclear weapons with the best possible intentions - he thought it would
entirely eliminate war - and I've never heard anybody seriously blame him for
all the deaths the technology has caused, yet people blame their actions and the
actions extremists commit out of their own free will on God.
Strange...
Maybe that's because Einstein is not an omniscient
all-powerful being, whereas God has perfect knowledge of the future and the
direct consequences of everything that He created?
Quote by xdayAlso God is definantly a man,
he is said to create men in his image. Did you even read the
Bible?
Good logic, but with one flaw: it comes from the bible who is taken way too
litteraly.
I agree with koutetsu about the reproductive organs, they dont fit in your
theory.
What I think is that we are indeed created in resemblance of Him, but in an
other way. What I mean to say is that we are perfect, that we are gods and
goddesses just like Him, because we have the same power: the power to
create.
Why should you believe in one God? The God most people believe in is a God
fabricated by other people, they have taken over others religious ideas.
I am not talking about believing in multiple Gods (this is in contradiction with
the statement above, I mean there is only one creator we call God) but taking
other religions into account and thus create your own thruth.
I got a Question... When you say GOD which GOD are you refering to? The christian's or the muslim's or the buddhist's or the Taoism's or the Hindu's or your self-defined GOD? Whenever someone say GOD, do you imagine that GOD is an old big guy with long white beard sitting in heaven watching down on earth? (I know most christian's do)...
The point I'm making??? you can't even agree on a single definition of GOD how do you say anything about it? To think that you know it all because u read it from something that is written by another man (pointing to all religion)... To memorize all its words and to understand it by your own meaning and to preach in hoping others will agree with your point of views and to feel that you are closer to your GOD than any others...
"i never really hated a one true god But the God of the people I hated" - MM
No you misunderstand me I have stated before in the past I believe in all the God[s] I do not think my belief of God is better then someone else's who believes in it.I never meant to sound that way if I ever did I apologize to you all,I honestly do not think that I am also not a "bible-thumper" And I am not trying to get others to agree with "my God" I am simply trying to let others understand the simple logical fact that a higher lifeform wether you call him/her/it God,Buddah,Ali whatever you may call it DOES indeed exist and will judged those on this planet.
Proof denies faith. If you had some really solid proof God exists, the concept of faith would lose most of its meaning. People would believe in God, not because they trust him and believe in him, but simply because they would have no choice but to accept the facts.
Second, I said Atheists cannot know if God exists. Even if God exists, that does not mean he provides evidence that he exists. God might exist, and he might not, but unless we have evidence he exists there is no reason to presume he exists. We trust reality and we do not believe your stories. Is that really such a terrible thing? It is a different mindset then your own, but hardly grounds to condemn. I do not understand how people can believe a religion that seriously considers thought contrary to theirs as worthy of eternal damnation.
i believe in god is not believing in him a problem???
i get angry at god when im all ready 2 go to da beach and then it starts raining^^
Throughout the medievil ages the black plauge and so on devastated the planet almost al of the people who survived blammed god why? simple cause everytime something bad happens that someone does not fully understand they blame god or a higher power because since they do not understand it it cannot possibly be their fault or a simmple natural occurance.I think everyone has forgotten about the morning starr here,alot of the bad shit he causes through fueled energy all of you anti god and generally hateful people create,is it truley so hard to think positivly?
Religious people should know that if God created the universe and all life, it would be stupid to be angry at him. Atheists should not be angry at something that does not exist. The only ones who should be angry are the people who aren't thinking.
I am an atheist (actually agnostic, but agnostics and atheists are the same in the eyes of a theist, so I will use atheist, for it is a more recognizable term. And I like it better).
Asking for absolute proof of anything, negative or affirmative, simply does not work. The closest we can come is saying that something is highly probable or highly improbable. Negative proof is even sillier to ask for. Say that I wish to prove that reindeer cannot fly. How would I go about doing this? I could put a bunch of reindeer on top of a roof and start pushing them off. After the first few hit the ground, can I conclude that reindeer absolutely cannot fly? Clearly not - all it takes is one reindeer to take off for that statement to be proven false. But I can conclude that it is highly improbable for reindeer to fly.
But that's not the point of my post. While I am an agnostic, and do not know if a higher being does or does not exist, my personal belief is that there is none, and furthermore, even if there were a higher being, it is not the God described by Christianity. And yes, I came to this conclusion logically.
The Christian God is usually described as omniscient, omnipresent, and all-knowing. People like to say that God loves you, and that God is kind and benevolent. Now, suppose this is all true - how did the world end up in the state that it is in now? As Richard Dawkins writes, "Irishmen blow each other up in [God's] name. Arabs blow themselves up in his name. Imams and ayatollahs oppress women in his name. Celibate popes and priests mess up people's sex lives in his name. Jewish shohets cut live animals' throats in his name. The achievements of religion in past history -- bloody crusades, torturing inquisitions, mass-murdering conquistadors, culture-destroying missionaries, legally enforced resistance to each new piece of scientific truth until the last possible moment -- are even more impressive. And what has it all been in aid of? I believe it is becoming increasingly clear that the answer is absolutely nothing at all." With all of the crap going down in the world now and throughout history, I cannot bring myself to believe in a benevolent God.
Imagine a mother who took care of her children, fed them, clothed them, and provided them with all the parental guidance and affection that they needed. Most people would say that that mother loves her children. Now imagine a mother who murdered her children, poisoned their food, or abandoned them. Most people would say that that mother does not love her children. Yet Christians claim that God loves all of mankind, even whilst God sends earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and all manner of things to kill us.
If God is truly all-powerful and all-good, why does evil exist in this world? As Epicurus says, "God either wishes to take away evil, and is unable, or He is able, and unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is malicious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? or why does He not remove them?"
I try to live a good life and be at least generally agreeable to other people and things. I know I'll certainly find out someday what, if anything, happens when you die. Other than that I try to live my life and not waste my time worrying about it.
Destati: The Christian God was never described as benevolent. Omniscient, yes. Omnipresent, yes. Omnipotent, yes. Loves you, yes.
That is just conjecture. But what you've stated is simply a rewording of a fairly classic argument. "If there was an all-powerful and all-loving God, there would not be evil and suffering in the world. Since there is evil and suffering the the world, there cannot be an all-powerful and all-loving God." And to discredit this argument, all you really need to do is make the claim that it is possible for such a God to be all-loving and still allow there to be evil and/or suffering in the world.
1) In the past I have heard the theory that God allows evil to exist to serve as a kind of foil.
2) Enter here a cute little example from Finding Nemo, where the lady fish with a D name and a memory about as bad as mine currently seems to be who said 'If you never let anything happen to him, nothing would ever happen to him'. And then another couple of quotes: 'Spare the rod, spoil the child'. 'He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him'. If you made the claim that we are God's children, then some of that would make perfect sense. And it IS true that people's growth of character is far more notable during times of stress.
3) Einstein did the theory behind nuclear weapons with the best possible intentions - he thought it would entirely eliminate war - and I've never heard anybody seriously blame him for all the deaths the technology has caused, yet people blame their actions and the actions extremists commit out of their own free will on God. Strange...
Anyway, I blame most, if not all of the evil and suffering in this world entirely on a lot of individual, usually selfish choices made by a lot of people the world over. My point is simply that your argument does not give conclusive evidence in any form to either believe there is or is not a God.
right so now you changed your theory cause you were getting beat down? anyway you are as usual half right god does not allow evil but there has to be balance come on people I assumed anyone who would come into my thread would have the basic concept of the first rule of life: there must always be balance there has to be dark for good to exist to fight it and there has to be something for good to fight,makes sense when you think about it logically doesn't it.
Why don't you stop insulting other people and actually back up one of your claims for once? I'm getting somewhat sick of you telling everybody else that they're wrong and giving no justification for it.
Ummmm I do not mean to sound rude or anything but one:why don't you do the same? and two: yeah he made good points in his last post you just got mad cause he called you on it so umm yeah sorry for sounding rude,but I agree with BOTH of you on certain topics like how there does have to be balance but it would be easier not to believe in anything cause if someone did then that in itself would be validation. [to me kind of a cheap way out but I'll stick with my beliefs]
He made one point in his last post, by stating that there had to be balance. Which is not always true. I can't be bothered extrapolating on my personal view of that right now, as I'm annoyed and that generally comes across badly in what I write... I object strenuously to him saying that I've changed my theories. I only change my theories when I have good reason to, and I've thought most of them through quite thoroughly, so I almost never do have a reason to. (I do have a lot of them, of course, most of which you will never have the privilege of hearing)). What I was doing, in fact, was putting out a few ideas for people to think over to promote discussion, yet the first thing he does is make a blanket statement that is an insult to me and addresses none of what I've said.
You sure are right. I have said this before, but here again: The only thing needed to end all wars is for all people to agree to end all wars.
We can end all hunger, if all people want it, etc. It is because of peoples selfishness and different personalities that this still not has happened.
After so many posts, it can clearly be seen that there are some (especially the one that started this whole thing) wanted to voice out their own opinion or point of views... and so desparately wanted others to agree with them (why?)... In the process of quoting their own opinion, things started to get a lil ugly because it all sounded like others are trying to tell you that your thinking or sense of logic is very wrong and that their thinkings are the truth (it's painful to be insulted like that... ouch~!)... It never was about beliefs and GOD, it is about ego and self-centered attitude that kept this thread going (was it intentional??)...
Voice your opinion and listen to others (open mind) and never ever tell others that what you think is right or what you believe is...
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe" ~ Einstein
If you think you're way smarter or greater than Einstein than you're just too darn blind to see...
So true. Now, if only you could figure out a way to make that happen. There'd definately be a Nobel Prize in it for you
For me it is not about ego, I want to learn. If somebody replies to me saying my theory is illogical, I want to know why he-she thinks it is illogical. It is not like I want them to force themselves towards my view.
A thing I cant stand here is that when people tell me my theories are illogical, they dont tell why they think that way. I think those empty replies make up a large deal of this thread.
Well, actually, for the purposes of this discussion, I could care less what people's actual opinions are (sorry guys, I know you must be devastated). My intention has been simply to challenge people to actually think through their viewpoints. What value has your faith, if the only way you can defend it from another is to tell them that you're right and they're wrong? It seems hardly worthwhile to convince somebody that you're right out of force of character, but if you're actually forced to reason through why you believe something, it makes you stronger. For example when I was doing maths in school, particularly calculus and physics, myself and a group of friends would go through all the formulas as they were given, individually, and try to prove (not always successfully, but usually) how and why they worked, and then compare our results. There were 5-6 of us, and consequently we were always the top people in those subjects. Anyway... Working out why you believe something is a great way to expand your knowledge about the field in question.
If your Christian then you could only believe in one God. Also God and Ali are the same. You said Earlier that you believed in one God. We all assumed it was the traditional Christian God but now it is different. Also God is definantly a man, he is said to create men in his image. Did you even read the Bible?
I don't like the fact there is a higher being. Because you said that now I understand how religion remain to be top in the social class. If God belongs to a class higher than the rich or poor then we must overthrow him. The fact that he is above us means he is allowed to exploit us. But why believe in God when he is the single person in the heirachy. We should believe in the proletarians who are the majority and who are in the bottom in the heirarchy along with the homeless.
If god made man in his image, does god have reproductive organs? I mean, if he is a man, he would need to have such organs to be so. And if he did, why would he need to be a man in the first place? Is there a female god that he can have relations with? Or does man just have reproductive organs because we are exactly like other species on this planet, and our only reason for living is to reproduce? Does anyone even think about details like this?
You are half-right from my viewpoint. There must be an evil for good to exist. That is why we arbitrarily label some actions or people as evil. Good and evil are, after all, a human invention. We define them and we apply them to our lives to give a structure to our own actions and the actions of others.
When a new issue comes up, like abortion, there is no predefined right or wrong. Everyone has to make up their own mind based on what they believe. Good and evil are useful tools, but only for the individual. When you try to apply those morals to others, you promote ignorance by using good and evil to define people and the actions they take.
I agree just from reading people think that their right about everything and your wrong but don't wanna tell you why
Ok, my mistake.
I don't agree with that. If there were no evil, would people no longer do good? As someone who believes that people are inherently good, that's something that I can't agree with.
In the Bible, God wipes out humanity at least once (the flood of Noah's Ark fame), and commands his people to commit genocide several more times (Exodus, when the first-borns are killed; Deuteronomy and Joshua, when God ordered the Hebrews to invade the "promised land" and totally exterminate "the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites" leaving "alive nothing that breathes"). How have we, as mankind, progressed since then? Do we not still maim and kill each other? Do we not still hate each other?
Maybe that's because Einstein is not an omniscient all-powerful being, whereas God has perfect knowledge of the future and the direct consequences of everything that He created?
Good logic, but with one flaw: it comes from the bible who is taken way too litteraly.
I agree with koutetsu about the reproductive organs, they dont fit in your theory.
What I think is that we are indeed created in resemblance of Him, but in an other way. What I mean to say is that we are perfect, that we are gods and goddesses just like Him, because we have the same power: the power to create.
Why should you believe in one God? The God most people believe in is a God fabricated by other people, they have taken over others religious ideas.
I am not talking about believing in multiple Gods (this is in contradiction with the statement above, I mean there is only one creator we call God) but taking other religions into account and thus create your own thruth.