Now I am a true believer [as alot of you already know from my other thread] but
even I got a question here,is it not wrong to give forgiveness to someone in the
name of God? Like the preists,fathers of the order forgive you when you go into
a confessional in the name of God right? But is it not wrong for a humanbound
soul to forgive another in the name of the lord? That is my question to you
all,and sorry to the mods again if this has already been made.As for me I think
it IS wrong to do that,however I also know that people need to have the sense of
true forgiveness for their sins through someone who they believe is very dear to
the lord so it is quite complex.
I personally wouldn't forgive someone in the name of God: im not religious.
Although i dont really have a problem with preists doing it becuase society
accepts and respects them for doing so. I respect them but dont believe in
it.
I assuming that your question is saying if its right for someone who isnt a
preist to forgive in the name of a God. Then im a bit sceptical, i mean, wars
have been waged over this. (wars have been waged over everything). I guess its
OK, but to an extent. Forgiveing someone for something they did to you in the
name of God, i guess would be alright. But forgiving something that wasn;t done
to you, i have disbelief.
Not sure if that answered your question
Cheers
Catholic schoolgirl to the rescue! I believe I
can answer that question. When you talk to a priest, make your confession and
ask for forgiveness, it's not the priest who's forgiving you, it's God. Since
the priest is basically a representative of God (the salesman to God's CEO, you
might say), that's why they can give the sacrament of confession. It's not
always necessary to go to confession to be forgiven, since the forgiveness is
coming from God after all, but it's better if you do. Because if you just think
"oh, I'm sorry for what I did, poof I'm forgiven now", you don't have
to do anything. If you go to confession and actually say what you did, then
you're acknowledging you did something wrong and you know you're getting
forgiven.
I might have left some things out, but that's basically my explanation.
yes but think about it as I said,they are doing this in the name of God but can
they really? do not get me wrong I totally believe in god I am a heavy relgious
person but even I have a hard time thinking what qualifies someone to forgive
another soul in the name of the lord? but jam-filling [nice name btw lol] has a
point if you truely acknowledge your wrong doing then perhaps in a way a holy
blessed man [a preist] may have the authourity to forgive you,but to me it is
still sketchy.
Quote by ZeroDegressyes but think
about it as I said,they are doing this in the name of God
but can they really? do not get me wrong I totally believe in god I am
a heavy relgious person but even I have a hard time thinking what
qualifies someone to forgive another soul in the name of the lord? but
jam-filling [nice name btw lol] has a point if you truely acknowledge
your wrong doing then perhaps in a way a holy blessed man [a preist]
may have the authourity to forgive you,but to me it is still
sketchy.
Well, being a Catholic I know the priest I'm making a confession to was ordained
by a bishop, who was made a bishop in the same way, so on all the way down from
the original apostles of Jesus who were given the authority to grant God's
forgiveness by him. (You may dispute this, of course, but that's slightly beside
the point. Besides, it sounds perfectly reasonable to me.) Thus the authority is
handed down to that priest from God, within the hierarchy of the church. If
you're thinking about any other Christian denominations that have something
similar, sorry, don't know about that.
no no no I ain't disagreeing it's just like,ya know it's hard even for me to
look at anyone but like the pope almost and think God gave them the authority to
judge me in his name and or forgive me for the same cause ya know? like yes I
see the irony of the fact that the pope gives the acrh bishops their authoirty
and therefore in a way they have it but still its sketchy ya know? like I have
personally never gone to a confessinal I know it seems weird to you all that I
made a thread on it without ever experiancing it lol but
it still seems weird how can someone listen to someones folleys that is human
and decides based on their perspective it is alright and forgiven? and can they
ever NOT forgive you? I am asking cause I have not been to one so do they always
forgive like a [lol sorry to say but] a relgious drive through? or can they deny
your ass and banish you?
Well what Jam-Filling said is true about "When you talk to a priest, make
your confession and ask for forgiveness, it's not the priest who's forgiving
you, it's God."
But that doesn't mean god will forgive you if you do that because the only thing
that can make god really forgive you is when you regret doing that sin and
really stop doing it and try to fix things only in that case god will forgive
you! So it's not about confession because confession isn't enough I mean I can
commit sins and confess to the priest and after that I will re-do it again and
again that doesn't make any sense!
True forgiveness comes from true repentant!!!
I think is wrong cause is God who knows if one is truly sorry. Also I think the
priest or fathers they should only give advice based on the bible but beyond
that I don't think that forgiving another one in the name of God is their duty
but God's only.
Very interesting thread Zero,but I got to say I totally agree with xangey and
zero on this people what those two have said already in just one page sums it up
perfectly,I DEFY someone to prove them wrong.
Quote by xangeI think is wrong cause is God
who knows if one is truly sorry. Also I
think the priest or fathers they should only give advice based on the
bible but beyond that I don't think that forgiving another one in the
name of God is their duty but God's only.
Can I agree with you? lol cause I do:P like come on it is logical something some
people do not like [not naming any names] but yes you are right xange.
Well...do you believe it is the priest giving forgiveness?Better yet, do you
think anyone can deny you forgiveness if God gives it freely?And...should the
priest say you are forgiven, it is after a confession. Why confess? it is as
said, to confess our sins to one another to be accountable. After all, to some
it might be better to have someone to talk about it than to feel guilty since
Man requires reassurrance instead of feelings.
I suppose a person with high religious values and an insecurity about their sins
would wish to hear from a "higher authority" that God has forgiven
them. I can see the sincerity in saying something like "God will forgive
you child" to a person that wishes to hear that their sinful burdens will
be lifted from their shoulders to ease that individual's conscience.
Aside from that, I do not believe it to be proper, handing out forgiveness in
the name of God. Unless that person can speak directly with a higher being,
whether that be through dream, stigmata, etc. As xange has said earlier, "I
don't think that forgiving another one in the name of God is their duty but
God's only". In the case of asking for forgiveness, the better question is,
can you forgive yourself for your sins, and learn from them for the future. If
you truly wish to find out if God will/has forgiven you, you'll find that out
when you die.
Remember that it was Jesus who gave us the model to pray.
After Jesus came to earth we all know how to pray and don't need someone else to
do it for us and ask directly to God for forgiveness.
If one feels insecure about one's sins then the person has to read the bible,
which is the map to God's view of life and how to live life the way God approves
^^
Only God can forgive people of their sins. We can forgive people(like if they do
something bad to us, we have to forgive them cause if we don't, then God won't
forgive us of our sins get it? ) But we can't say: The Lord Jesus Christ
forgives you cause I'm a believer and I say it. They must ask personally for
forgiveness. You can't grant it to them.
I Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
Jesus.
actually yes you`re right. though they are missionaries of the lord they feel
its there job (trust me 4 1/2 years of catholic school), God is the only one
who can forgive our sins. but i think the reason they do that is because God is
forgiving us through them.
I belive in God (i am a catholic) yet I do not belive in the chruch...
So for me... I don't like confessionals... I agree in the fact that I do not
believe they had the power or the right to either judge me or forgive
me,...
I do find it strange that if you've done something wrong and you go confess it
your forgiven. I dont understand that if God sees everyone equaly then why would
you have to go confess to someone that is at a higher level then you? Like for
example if you went and commited a sinn like a murder and you went and confessed
and the presit or father forgave you then would that mean God forgave you also?
I just dont understand how that works. How would you know if God forgave you? Or
if you where to confess then how come you cant pray to God himself instead of
having to go to someone like a presit do it for you?
Well Alisha you have as usual good points lol
jk jk I aint mad but you do got good points,it always did confuse me if someone
rapes a person but then goes to a confessional eventhough the priest in a way
has to say "you are forgiven my child" or whatever it is they say
[cause I aint sure] does that mean what he or she has done to the person is
totally forgiven? I do not think so to be honest I think if someone commits a
horrible sin such as rape or worse only God himself can forgive it meaning,only
when you die do you get the chance to be forgiven.BUT that dont mean go out and
kill yourself people because suicide is a major ass sin and since it'd happen
right before your death you ain't being forgiven for that.
Quote by AlishaI do find it strange that
if you've done something wrong and you go
confess it your forgiven. I dont understand that if God sees everyone
equaly then why would you have to go confess to someone that is at a
higher level then you? Like for example if you went and commited a sinn
like a murder and you went and confessed and the presit or father
forgave you then would that mean God forgave you also? I just dont
understand how that works. How would you know if God forgave you? Or if
you where to confess then how come you cant pray to God himself instead
of having to go to someone like a presit do it for
you?
It's not required to make a confession to get God's forgiveness, just to be
truly sorry and want forgiveness. But it's better to go to confession if you're
able to, for the reasons I explained before. Also, if you make a confession but
you still aren't sorry, or you intend to go out and do whatever it was again and
not try to be better, then of course you don't get forgiveness. Ultimately it
depends on you.
Since God's love for us is infinite, I believe any sin can be forgiven if you
are truly sorry for what you did. Even if you murder someone, it's still
possible to repent and ask for forgiveness.
We're kind of getting into the whole Catholic vs. Protestant argument of
sacraments and an organized church vs. only personal prayer. Sola scriptura, anybody?
WOW wait a sec now holddddd up,God may have infintie love but he does have his
limits such as proven in Eden.We cannot be forgiven for everything we do he has
limits if someone commits a major ass sin like murder going to a confessional
would usually lead to jail dont ya think? and dont give me that confidential
crap if a priest had someone confess a murder with proof they would call the
cops in a flash.
Rape, Murder. Forgiven when you die? Assuming that is so, then what would stop a
person from going and Raping/Murdering a few hundred people. If, infact it is
like this, then why don't we all start a world war. God will forgive us after.
The answer isn't as simple as that. I would assume your time spent in Heaven
would account for all the honourable/honest actions in your life. And in reverse
effect, you will suffer your punishment in hell after for your sins. Suicide is
certainly concidered a sin, as your taking a life, even if it is your own.
you always try to question me dont you mizuna? lol
dude you know what I mean alright only god can forgive you for your sins and
wrongs not a priest and NO you shouldnt go out and rape and kill a ton of people
you sick cruel person lol
come on mizuna you know what I mean.
Now I am a true believer [as alot of you already know from my other thread] but even I got a question here,is it not wrong to give forgiveness to someone in the name of God? Like the preists,fathers of the order forgive you when you go into a confessional in the name of God right? But is it not wrong for a humanbound soul to forgive another in the name of the lord? That is my question to you all,and sorry to the mods again if this has already been made.As for me I think it IS wrong to do that,however I also know that people need to have the sense of true forgiveness for their sins through someone who they believe is very dear to the lord so it is quite complex.
I personally wouldn't forgive someone in the name of God: im not religious.
Although i dont really have a problem with preists doing it becuase society accepts and respects them for doing so. I respect them but dont believe in it.
I assuming that your question is saying if its right for someone who isnt a preist to forgive in the name of a God. Then im a bit sceptical, i mean, wars have been waged over this. (wars have been waged over everything). I guess its OK, but to an extent. Forgiveing someone for something they did to you in the name of God, i guess would be alright. But forgiving something that wasn;t done to you, i have disbelief.
Not sure if that answered your question
Cheers
Catholic schoolgirl to the rescue!
I believe I
can answer that question. When you talk to a priest, make your confession and
ask for forgiveness, it's not the priest who's forgiving you, it's God. Since
the priest is basically a representative of God (the salesman to God's CEO, you
might say), that's why they can give the sacrament of confession. It's not
always necessary to go to confession to be forgiven, since the forgiveness is
coming from God after all, but it's better if you do. Because if you just think
"oh, I'm sorry for what I did, poof I'm forgiven now", you don't have
to do anything. If you go to confession and actually say what you did, then
you're acknowledging you did something wrong and you know you're getting
forgiven.
I might have left some things out, but that's basically my explanation.
yes but think about it as I said,they are doing this in the name of God but can they really? do not get me wrong I totally believe in god I am a heavy relgious person but even I have a hard time thinking what qualifies someone to forgive another soul in the name of the lord? but jam-filling [nice name btw lol] has a point if you truely acknowledge your wrong doing then perhaps in a way a holy blessed man [a preist] may have the authourity to forgive you,but to me it is still sketchy.
Well, being a Catholic I know the priest I'm making a confession to was ordained by a bishop, who was made a bishop in the same way, so on all the way down from the original apostles of Jesus who were given the authority to grant God's forgiveness by him. (You may dispute this, of course, but that's slightly beside the point. Besides, it sounds perfectly reasonable to me.) Thus the authority is handed down to that priest from God, within the hierarchy of the church. If you're thinking about any other Christian denominations that have something similar, sorry, don't know about that.
no no no I ain't disagreeing it's just like,ya know it's hard even for me to look at anyone but like the pope almost and think God gave them the authority to judge me in his name and or forgive me for the same cause ya know? like yes I see the irony of the fact that the pope gives the acrh bishops their authoirty and therefore in a way they have it but still its sketchy ya know? like I have personally never gone to a confessinal I know it seems weird to you all that I made a thread on it without ever experiancing it lol
but
it still seems weird how can someone listen to someones folleys that is human
and decides based on their perspective it is alright and forgiven? and can they
ever NOT forgive you? I am asking cause I have not been to one so do they always
forgive like a [lol sorry to say but] a relgious drive through? or can they deny
your ass and banish you?
Well what Jam-Filling said is true about "When you talk to a priest, make your confession and ask for forgiveness, it's not the priest who's forgiving you, it's God."
But that doesn't mean god will forgive you if you do that because the only thing that can make god really forgive you is when you regret doing that sin and really stop doing it and try to fix things only in that case god will forgive you! So it's not about confession because confession isn't enough I mean I can commit sins and confess to the priest and after that I will re-do it again and again that doesn't make any sense!
True forgiveness comes from true repentant!!!
I think is wrong cause is God who knows if one is truly sorry. Also I think the priest or fathers they should only give advice based on the bible but beyond that I don't think that forgiving another one in the name of God is their duty but God's only.
Well, I'm not religious but as far as I remember it was Jesus who gave his apostoles the right to confess people. So I don't see what's your problem.
its not a problem persay its just jesus gave that to HIS aspostles not the preisthood ya know?
Very interesting thread Zero,but I got to say I totally agree with xangey and zero on this people what those two have said already in just one page sums it up perfectly,I DEFY someone to prove them wrong.
Can I agree with you? lol cause I do:P like come on it is logical something some people do not like [not naming any names] but yes you are right xange.
Well...do you believe it is the priest giving forgiveness?Better yet, do you think anyone can deny you forgiveness if God gives it freely?And...should the priest say you are forgiven, it is after a confession. Why confess? it is as said, to confess our sins to one another to be accountable. After all, to some it might be better to have someone to talk about it than to feel guilty since Man requires reassurrance instead of feelings.
I suppose a person with high religious values and an insecurity about their sins would wish to hear from a "higher authority" that God has forgiven them. I can see the sincerity in saying something like "God will forgive you child" to a person that wishes to hear that their sinful burdens will be lifted from their shoulders to ease that individual's conscience.
Aside from that, I do not believe it to be proper, handing out forgiveness in the name of God. Unless that person can speak directly with a higher being, whether that be through dream, stigmata, etc. As xange has said earlier, "I don't think that forgiving another one in the name of God is their duty but God's only". In the case of asking for forgiveness, the better question is, can you forgive yourself for your sins, and learn from them for the future. If you truly wish to find out if God will/has forgiven you, you'll find that out when you die.
There's no need for a higer authirty than God.
Remember that it was Jesus who gave us the model to pray.
After Jesus came to earth we all know how to pray and don't need someone else to do it for us and ask directly to God for forgiveness.
If one feels insecure about one's sins then the person has to read the bible, which is the map to God's view of life and how to live life the way God approves ^^
Only God can forgive people of their sins. We can forgive people(like if they do something bad to us, we have to forgive them cause if we don't, then God won't forgive us of our sins get it? ) But we can't say: The Lord Jesus Christ forgives you cause I'm a believer and I say it. They must ask personally for forgiveness. You can't grant it to them.
I Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
actually yes you`re right. though they are missionaries of the lord they feel its there job (trust me 4 1/2 years of catholic school), God is the only one who can forgive our sins. but i think the reason they do that is because God is forgiving us through them.
Well...
I belive in God (i am a catholic) yet I do not belive in the chruch...
So for me... I don't like confessionals... I agree in the fact that I do not believe they had the power or the right to either judge me or forgive me,...
I confess only to God and no one else...
I do find it strange that if you've done something wrong and you go confess it your forgiven. I dont understand that if God sees everyone equaly then why would you have to go confess to someone that is at a higher level then you? Like for example if you went and commited a sinn like a murder and you went and confessed and the presit or father forgave you then would that mean God forgave you also? I just dont understand how that works. How would you know if God forgave you? Or if you where to confess then how come you cant pray to God himself instead of having to go to someone like a presit do it for you?
Well Alisha you have as usual good points
lol
jk jk I aint mad but you do got good points,it always did confuse me if someone
rapes a person but then goes to a confessional eventhough the priest in a way
has to say "you are forgiven my child" or whatever it is they say
[cause I aint sure] does that mean what he or she has done to the person is
totally forgiven? I do not think so to be honest I think if someone commits a
horrible sin such as rape or worse only God himself can forgive it meaning,only
when you die do you get the chance to be forgiven.BUT that dont mean go out and
kill yourself people because suicide is a major ass sin and since it'd happen
right before your death you ain't being forgiven for that.
It's not required to make a confession to get God's forgiveness, just to be truly sorry and want forgiveness. But it's better to go to confession if you're able to, for the reasons I explained before. Also, if you make a confession but you still aren't sorry, or you intend to go out and do whatever it was again and not try to be better, then of course you don't get forgiveness. Ultimately it depends on you.
Since God's love for us is infinite, I believe any sin can be forgiven if you are truly sorry for what you did. Even if you murder someone, it's still possible to repent and ask for forgiveness.
We're kind of getting into the whole Catholic vs. Protestant argument of sacraments and an organized church vs. only personal prayer. Sola scriptura, anybody?
WOW wait a sec now holddddd up,God may have infintie love but he does have his limits such as proven in Eden.We cannot be forgiven for everything we do he has limits if someone commits a major ass sin like murder going to a confessional would usually lead to jail dont ya think? and dont give me that confidential crap if a priest had someone confess a murder with proof they would call the cops in a flash.
Rape, Murder. Forgiven when you die? Assuming that is so, then what would stop a person from going and Raping/Murdering a few hundred people. If, infact it is like this, then why don't we all start a world war. God will forgive us after. The answer isn't as simple as that. I would assume your time spent in Heaven would account for all the honourable/honest actions in your life. And in reverse effect, you will suffer your punishment in hell after for your sins. Suicide is certainly concidered a sin, as your taking a life, even if it is your own.
you always try to question me dont you mizuna?
lol
dude you know what I mean alright only god can forgive you for your sins and
wrongs not a priest and NO you shouldnt go out and rape and kill a ton of people
you sick cruel person 
lol
come on mizuna you know what I mean.