All right. Overall, this is a very good idea if implemented well. I'll give you
a few suggestions, along the way. Not as offensive idea, but overall keep the
community happy, and everyone else for that fact. So, please don't flame me,
this is just a idea suggestion thread. I'm willing to take suggestions, because
I'm curious as to what people think as well.
"All Formulae for gaining credits are private. This is to prevent the
'industrialization' of finding exploits..."
First off. That line right that you doomed yourself of people lookin' for
"Sploits" almost likes a good ol' classic MMO. Dupers or whatever you
wanna call them will now find ways cause they see a challenge and they are in
every community. I think if you didn't say that at all, what saved you a heart
aches...
Or you could haven't just told the formulae and saved yourself all of the
trouble. Everyone knows what to expect, and you won't be having issues. Just my
view of course. This, you should just give what the system is, or implant 1 post
on a forum gives you 1 credit. 1 upload gives you 2 credits, so on and so forth.
Thus, it creates everything equal. Easy, simple, no hassles in the long run,
then you when some jacks up the rules you have something to point too.
=D
"Credits are gained with a delay, and lost instantly..."
Uh. That's basically paraphrase your paragraph. Now, I agree this is a good
method, if you're going about that route... Now you wouldn't even need this, or
people would know what expect if you put that 1 upload equals 2 credits. That
would make this totally irrelevant. I thought it should be gained instantly, so
people can see that wallpaper or download that scan that they saw right away. =O
Or they just going to lose interest, and most likely forget about it, or all
together just think the system isn't worth it and go somewhere else...
In this, as you well know your Ads support the site, and I'm sure some of your
money goes into it. Yet, when you lose people, isn't not a good thing either for
that means your Funds go down to keep this site running.... Granted, less
bandwidth, still, this is a
�Gallery Site, and its
expected to have high bandwidth if you wanna keep the quality of the wallpapers
you do have...
Well you have to take a consideration for people who is not good in art. Not all
people could create sugoi wallies and with this credit system, wouldn't people
started to manipulate other people's art to post in order to gain credit?
And if people couldn't gain no more credit then the one left here is only the
artists people?
No offense but I feel like in Final Fantasy 7 story, you don't have gill and go
live in a slum?
I agree with part of what you're saying. It makes it harder for me to comment on
other people's works because it costs me credits everytime I have to
fullview-which will also discourage others like to to full view. Less full
viewings mean that critisism will not be as useful.
Quote by hongrboiI agree with part of
what you're saying. It makes it harder for me to comment on other people's works
because it costs me credits everytime I have to fullview-which will also
discourage others like to to full view. Less full viewings mean that critisism
will not be as useful.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but if it costs me credits to fullview something, I'm
going to be more skeptical on what I spend the credit on. Which may sound ok at
the beginning, but when you realize a lot of these look cool but aren't in full
view, and vice versa, I'm going to be wasting credit on what I will consider
crappy once I get it, while at the same time I'm going to be turned away from
clicking on the ones that just don't look great in the thumbnail, even if the
full version rocks.
Honestly, though, what's the point? some sort of moderation? I figured fav's and
reviews did that already... Trying to keep people from leeching? Then put some
per day restriction or something, but I could easily spend all my credts in one
day and end up with 2 or 3 cool wallpapers and then never be able to look at
anything on this site again...NOR UPLOAD if I felt like contributing... correct
me if I'm wrong, but this seems really stupid.
if we cant full view wont this severly hinder making correct judgements on
peoples walls? I know from personal experience that some of my walls looks
terrible from the thumbnail but when you full view it people usually comment on
the change.
This credit system while somehow seems like a good idea there is going to be
some repercussions from it
Quote by w00taznYou lose less than a
credit every time you download a wallpaper.
Just posting comments on the wall will give you at least 1 credit back. so dont
even worry about the full view before commenting
issue.
Are you sure on that?..I lost more than 1 for downloading a scan and how does
the credit start accumulating because I have a lot less credits than the amount
of comments I gave (not saying the actual amount of course )
I think MT is starting to turn into something like animepaper.....I think its to
stop ppl from stopping at a certain level then stop participating and start
leaching
Ok... this is just my little problem with the credit system... I was trying to
download one of the walls, but given how slow my computer is, I clicked it a lot
of times before it actually came out. It was only afterwards that I realised to
my horror that I spent 3 times the amount of credits needed to download it to
actually download it. Its not a really big deal given how few credits are needed
but still, its a bit silly to lose credits for nothing...
Quote by DayBreakI think the whole point
of adding the Credit System is for "MEMBERS" is to think twice before
full viewing, downloading or w/e.
Yeah, then what is the point of having to trouble yourself with "what am i
going to download now, i have to be carefull with my credits"
Cmon, the credit system is just making people to think twice, with was not the
case when this started, i mean, the whole Minitokyo.
It is good to have some kind of level depending on how many submissions you
make, thus they are checked by the famous Bootchi or by the MODS (that is part
of their job after all no?)
Having just levels as it was before, with no kind of "economical"
reward is far better than having credits for your submissions and paying for
downloading other peoples work.
My thought is that the site was made to SHARE anime, have some kind of internal
reward (levels at the time) and have a big comunity, without any drawback on
downloading others works.
Quote by w00taznYou lose less than a
credit every time you download a wallpaper.
Just posting comments on the wall will give you at least 1 credit back. so dont
even worry about the full view before commenting
issue.
less that 1 credit ? i download 10 scans and i lost..13.70 credits...(well more
or less who knows) i've posted like 10 times since the change and i've gained
about 20.00 (yea and i've only posted what i through ppl could care about ) so
i'm not some spam all day dude ..but hey..i can spam all day to get more credits
..(while i still doesn't find a work i can spam 24 hours each day...(but i have
others things to do..you know . like friends and those style of things that
normals humans do ) (spam will not get the site go slow ? ) i through that more
posts on forums make the site go slower...correct me if i'm wront in about spam
= slow site
He's actually got an excellent point. Doesn't the credit system promote
spamming? I mean, I see the point of it. To prevent leechers who contribute
absolutely nothing to the site! But, on the other hand, it's kind of
detrimental, and I suspect it will eventually drive away a lot of the members.
Still, that's just my opinion...
Quote by w00taznYou lose less than a
credit every time you download a wallpaper.
Just posting comments on the wall will give you at least 1 credit back. so dont
even worry about the full view before commenting
issue.
Yeah, but losing the credit is instant. Gaining it back takes time. Everyone's
formula to get credits is different so you can't say that it will give me 1
credit. Maybe it does to you but so far, I have not seen it. I see it go up
though.
I think this new system will give rise to gallery spammers. They won't even
bother to look at the fullsize for commenting.
I want the lvl system back =( On this new system, I don't even know how to fav
something.
Quote by echidnaboy726He's actually
got an excellent point. Doesn't the credit system promote spamming? I mean, I
see the point of it. To prevent leechers who contribute absolutely nothing to
the site! But, on the other hand, it's kind of detrimental, and I suspect it
will eventually drive away a lot of the members. Still, that's just my
opinion...
Yeah, I'm considering leaving. I don't understand why I have to use my credits
to submit something to the gallery like a wall. So basically, I will lose
credits and will only gain them back depending on how good my submission is. My
submissions are great so I'm expecting to lose a bit of credit every time a I
submit something? I'll probably lose more than I gain and eventually, I'll get
to 0 credits.
Yeah, I'm considering leaving. I don't understand why I have to use my credits
to submit something to the gallery like a wall. So basically, I will lose
credits and will only gain them back depending on how good my submission is. My
submissions are great so I'm expecting to lose a bit of credit every time a I
submit something? I'll probably lose more than I gain and eventually, I'll get
to 0 credits.
That is true, i am not that much of a submitter but making some coments and
favorites on the submissions. I shall be too close to 0 credits in a snap !
I kept accidentally clicking on the same scan and my mouse kept jumping, and I
lost credits. I would really hope for a standard credit system, so at least you
KNEW how fast you could re-earn credits (hopefully without spamming).
The comment about AnimePaper is true though. You get penalized if they don't
feel your scan is good enough, and it costs a lot to download anything (usually
at least 30+ for good scans). ><;
Quote by hongrboi
Yeah, I'm considering leaving. I don't understand why I have to use my credits
to submit something to the gallery like a wall. So basically, I will lose
credits and will only gain them back depending on how good my submission is. My
submissions are great so I'm expecting to lose a bit of credit every time a I
submit something? I'll probably lose more than I gain and eventually, I'll get
to 0 credits.
I guess this is another method of also making people think twice before
uploading a scan/wall. I'm assuming that the more well received your wall/scan
is the more points you get. But then there are people who will probably try to
abuse it by going "yea lets make some crappy walls and post it up and get
credits for it" and then the quality of wall/scans in the end goes down the
toilet...so I guess paying credits to upload ensures that there is at least some
quality before you actually make the submission =x
still don't like it though...posted 3 times (yes it isn't much it is still 3
times) in forums...and still no credit gain after 3-4 hrs XP
Right now, I don't like this system. What incentive is there to contribute
anything at all if it costs credits to both download and upload? Even if I
upload something that I think is quality, there is no guarantee that I will get
credit back because of the secrecy regarding the credit formula. I guess you're
screwed if you submit a great scan for something that isn't all that popular on
MT.
Also, I think the reason why gaining credits is gradual is because MT brass may
actually be determining whether someone gets credits manually. This would mean
that someone who, say, posts a meaningful comment on a wallpaper could get a
credit and someone who spams would not earn a credit. The unfortunate thing
about this is that it allows for corruption. With no public guidelines for
earning credits, you are at their mercy. There's no way to complain about not
receiving a credit for something because they can't tell you whether or not you
were deserving (that would reveal some of the formula).
I like a lot about Minitokyo V.3. The new forums for displaying anime pictures
not good enough to be scans and "noob" wallpapers are welcome.
However, this credit system seems like a smack in the face to most of the
members. With this, MT seems more like an aristocracy instead of an actual
community.
the 1 post one credit doesnt work. I like the old member system. Where i can
download all the wallpapers i want. This is the best site for walls but its
looking down hardcore. I like the old member sytem. It was better. Oh and when i
get walls. How come its in numbers and not as the [Minitokyo]...............
crap. it WAS easier to classify and put in order that way.
Don't u guys agree?
Please stop worrying people. I, for one, think that this whole credit system
might do good for MT.
The fear of losing credits may induce people not to do anything. The quest for
gaining credits may "force" people to post nonsense and whatever.
However, maybe we're just not that well-informed about these things.
Overall, I think that we're just not that "prepared" for these
changes. The MT3 thread is very informative. However, we still need more
information about this big change to lessen the unneeded ranting.
it's not like you'll hit rock bottom and go
bankrupt
* the secret formulae is to ensure only those most active and the most faithful
in Minitokyo, stay. No offence or anything, okay, I love this community and I'm
here for the art and the groups. As if I give a toss about levels or credit
points. They don't tell me anything about who I am or what I do. I got to level
69 in the old system and I believe that is not a true reflection of who I am. I
am not a number.
If you like this is just another version of neopets. And neopets is fun
u_u
* downloading - yes I think that's a bit strange how they deduct points more
than once and that's not fair. It'll be fixed up .... I'm sure they'll try to.
Like everyone knows this system is still new. Of course you would like your
comfort zones. Why not try to accept this? This is still fun... you keep on
looking when you get notifs and when you get points rising... and what's more
it's the people here not these numbers...
these are material things!
* losing members- Minitokyo has always, always never ever tried to tie down
*anyone* and keep them here. They have *always* said, "if you like this
place, stay, if you don't there are plenty of other places on the net to go
to." Frankly, this is something I agree with. All my friends are here. I
stay.
In conclusion there are a lot more other better things here than those points.
THe points are just to ensure that you don't do rash things and the points are
there to make you improve and become a better member! That's it!
And the mods have been up here and probably staying up really late just to
answer the same questions again and again...
... If I were anyone else, seriously, wait... think first... they are so busy~
give them a break
I'm sure they have thought through this system thoroughly as well before
implementing it- and they expected some rants and stuff.
Heya,
Here it goes...
All right. Overall, this is a very good idea if implemented well. I'll give you a few suggestions, along the way. Not as offensive idea, but overall keep the community happy, and everyone else for that fact. So, please don't flame me, this is just a idea suggestion thread. I'm willing to take suggestions, because I'm curious as to what people think as well.
"All Formulae for gaining credits are private. This is to prevent the 'industrialization' of finding exploits..."
First off. That line right that you doomed yourself of people lookin' for "Sploits" almost likes a good ol' classic MMO. Dupers or whatever you wanna call them will now find ways cause they see a challenge and they are in every community. I think if you didn't say that at all, what saved you a heart aches...
Or you could haven't just told the formulae and saved yourself all of the trouble. Everyone knows what to expect, and you won't be having issues. Just my view of course. This, you should just give what the system is, or implant 1 post on a forum gives you 1 credit. 1 upload gives you 2 credits, so on and so forth. Thus, it creates everything equal. Easy, simple, no hassles in the long run, then you when some jacks up the rules you have something to point too. =D
"Credits are gained with a delay, and lost instantly..."
Uh. That's basically paraphrase your paragraph. Now, I agree this is a good method, if you're going about that route... Now you wouldn't even need this, or people would know what expect if you put that 1 upload equals 2 credits. That would make this totally irrelevant. I thought it should be gained instantly, so people can see that wallpaper or download that scan that they saw right away. =O Or they just going to lose interest, and most likely forget about it, or all together just think the system isn't worth it and go somewhere else...
In this, as you well know your Ads support the site, and I'm sure some of your money goes into it. Yet, when you lose people, isn't not a good thing either for that means your Funds go down to keep this site running.... Granted, less bandwidth, still, this is a �Gallery Site, and its expected to have high bandwidth if you wanna keep the quality of the wallpapers you do have...
Just my view,
Ali
Well you have to take a consideration for people who is not good in art. Not all people could create sugoi wallies and with this credit system, wouldn't people started to manipulate other people's art to post in order to gain credit?
And if people couldn't gain no more credit then the one left here is only the artists people?
No offense but I feel like in Final Fantasy 7 story, you don't have gill and go live in a slum?
I agree with part of what you're saying. It makes it harder for me to comment on other people's works because it costs me credits everytime I have to fullview-which will also discourage others like to to full view. Less full viewings mean that critisism will not be as useful.
You lose less than a credit every time you download a wallpaper.
Just posting comments on the wall will give you at least 1 credit back. so dont even worry about the full view before commenting issue.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but if it costs me credits to fullview something, I'm going to be more skeptical on what I spend the credit on. Which may sound ok at the beginning, but when you realize a lot of these look cool but aren't in full view, and vice versa, I'm going to be wasting credit on what I will consider crappy once I get it, while at the same time I'm going to be turned away from clicking on the ones that just don't look great in the thumbnail, even if the full version rocks.
Honestly, though, what's the point? some sort of moderation? I figured fav's and reviews did that already... Trying to keep people from leeching? Then put some per day restriction or something, but I could easily spend all my credts in one day and end up with 2 or 3 cool wallpapers and then never be able to look at anything on this site again...NOR UPLOAD if I felt like contributing... correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems really stupid.
-=JML=-
if we cant full view wont this severly hinder making correct judgements on peoples walls? I know from personal experience that some of my walls looks terrible from the thumbnail but when you full view it people usually comment on the change.
This credit system while somehow seems like a good idea there is going to be some repercussions from it
Are you sure on that?..I lost more than 1 for downloading a scan and how does the credit start accumulating because I have a lot less credits than the amount of comments I gave (not saying the actual amount of course
)
I think the whole point of adding the Credit System is for "MEMBERS" is to think twice before full viewing, downloading or w/e.
I think MT is starting to turn into something like animepaper.....I think its to stop ppl from stopping at a certain level then stop participating and start leaching
Hey its not as bad as animepaper. It cost like 50 credits there to download a scan. So it could be worse, stop complaining.
Ok... this is just my little problem with the credit system... I was trying to download one of the walls, but given how slow my computer is, I clicked it a lot of times before it actually came out. It was only afterwards that I realised to my horror that I spent 3 times the amount of credits needed to download it to actually download it. Its not a really big deal given how few credits are needed but still, its a bit silly to lose credits for nothing...
This just makes me nervous about downloading wallpapers and scans, and I haven't tried to download anything yet today.
Yeah, then what is the point of having to trouble yourself with "what am i going to download now, i have to be carefull with my credits"
Cmon, the credit system is just making people to think twice, with was not the case when this started, i mean, the whole Minitokyo.
It is good to have some kind of level depending on how many submissions you make, thus they are checked by the famous Bootchi or by the MODS (that is part of their job after all no?)
Having just levels as it was before, with no kind of "economical" reward is far better than having credits for your submissions and paying for downloading other peoples work.
My thought is that the site was made to SHARE anime, have some kind of internal reward (levels at the time) and have a big comunity, without any drawback on downloading others works.
less that 1 credit ? i download 10 scans and i lost..13.70 credits...(well more or less who knows) i've posted like 10 times since the change and i've gained about 20.00 (yea and i've only posted what i through ppl could care about ) so i'm not some spam all day dude ..but hey..i can spam all day to get more credits ..(while i still doesn't find a work i can spam 24 hours each day...(but i have others things to do..you know . like friends and those style of things that normals humans do ) (spam will not get the site go slow ? ) i through that more posts on forums make the site go slower...correct me if i'm wront in about spam = slow site
He's actually got an excellent point. Doesn't the credit system promote spamming? I mean, I see the point of it. To prevent leechers who contribute absolutely nothing to the site! But, on the other hand, it's kind of detrimental, and I suspect it will eventually drive away a lot of the members. Still, that's just my opinion...
Yeah, but losing the credit is instant. Gaining it back takes time. Everyone's formula to get credits is different so you can't say that it will give me 1 credit. Maybe it does to you but so far, I have not seen it. I see it go up though.
I think this new system will give rise to gallery spammers. They won't even bother to look at the fullsize for commenting.
I want the lvl system back =( On this new system, I don't even know how to fav something.
Yeah, I'm considering leaving. I don't understand why I have to use my credits to submit something to the gallery like a wall. So basically, I will lose credits and will only gain them back depending on how good my submission is. My submissions are great so I'm expecting to lose a bit of credit every time a I submit something? I'll probably lose more than I gain and eventually, I'll get to 0 credits.
That is true, i am not that much of a submitter but making some coments and favorites on the submissions. I shall be too close to 0 credits in a snap !
I kept accidentally clicking on the same scan and my mouse kept jumping, and I lost credits. I would really hope for a standard credit system, so at least you KNEW how fast you could re-earn credits (hopefully without spamming).
The comment about AnimePaper is true though. You get penalized if they don't feel your scan is good enough, and it costs a lot to download anything (usually at least 30+ for good scans). ><;
I guess this is another method of also making people think twice before uploading a scan/wall. I'm assuming that the more well received your wall/scan is the more points you get. But then there are people who will probably try to abuse it by going "yea lets make some crappy walls and post it up and get credits for it" and then the quality of wall/scans in the end goes down the toilet...so I guess paying credits to upload ensures that there is at least some quality before you actually make the submission =x
still don't like it though...posted 3 times (yes it isn't much it is still 3 times) in forums...and still no credit gain after 3-4 hrs XP
Oh come on and for 50 papers you need to make 3-4 good posts (post doesnt include a spam!)
Right now, I don't like this system. What incentive is there to contribute anything at all if it costs credits to both download and upload? Even if I upload something that I think is quality, there is no guarantee that I will get credit back because of the secrecy regarding the credit formula. I guess you're screwed if you submit a great scan for something that isn't all that popular on MT.
Also, I think the reason why gaining credits is gradual is because MT brass may actually be determining whether someone gets credits manually. This would mean that someone who, say, posts a meaningful comment on a wallpaper could get a credit and someone who spams would not earn a credit. The unfortunate thing about this is that it allows for corruption. With no public guidelines for earning credits, you are at their mercy. There's no way to complain about not receiving a credit for something because they can't tell you whether or not you were deserving (that would reveal some of the formula).
I like a lot about Minitokyo V.3. The new forums for displaying anime pictures not good enough to be scans and "noob" wallpapers are welcome. However, this credit system seems like a smack in the face to most of the members. With this, MT seems more like an aristocracy instead of an actual community.
the 1 post one credit doesnt work. I like the old member system. Where i can download all the wallpapers i want. This is the best site for walls but its looking down hardcore. I like the old member sytem. It was better. Oh and when i get walls. How come its in numbers and not as the [Minitokyo]............... crap. it WAS easier to classify and put in order that way.
Don't u guys agree?
Please stop worrying people. I, for one, think that this whole credit system might do good for MT.
The fear of losing credits may induce people not to do anything. The quest for gaining credits may "force" people to post nonsense and whatever. However, maybe we're just not that well-informed about these things.
Overall, I think that we're just not that "prepared" for these changes. The MT3 thread is very informative. However, we still need more information about this big change to lessen the unneeded ranting.
I keep on having to write this again and again
it's not like you'll hit rock bottom and go bankrupt
* the secret formulae is to ensure only those most active and the most faithful in Minitokyo, stay. No offence or anything, okay, I love this community and I'm here for the art and the groups. As if I give a toss about levels or credit points. They don't tell me anything about who I am or what I do. I got to level 69 in the old system and I believe that is not a true reflection of who I am. I am not a number.
If you like this is just another version of neopets. And neopets is fun u_u
* downloading - yes I think that's a bit strange how they deduct points more than once and that's not fair. It'll be fixed up .... I'm sure they'll try to. Like everyone knows this system is still new. Of course you would like your comfort zones. Why not try to accept this? This is still fun... you keep on looking when you get notifs and when you get points rising... and what's more it's the people here not these numbers... these are material things!
* losing members- Minitokyo has always, always never ever tried to tie down *anyone* and keep them here. They have *always* said, "if you like this place, stay, if you don't there are plenty of other places on the net to go to." Frankly, this is something I agree with. All my friends are here. I stay.
In conclusion there are a lot more other better things here than those points. THe points are just to ensure that you don't do rash things and the points are there to make you improve and become a better member! That's it!
And the mods have been up here and probably staying up really late just to answer the same questions again and again...
... If I were anyone else, seriously, wait... think first... they are so busy~ give them a break
I'm sure they have thought through this system thoroughly as well before implementing it- and they expected some rants and stuff.
Trust me, you'll grow to like it... and remember:
you WON'T go bankrupt for cripes sake!