I'm sure everyone knows all about file sharing on the internet and that you can
download all sorts of music, movies, games etc. using certain applications. A
lot of people i know at university (maybe even a majority) use p2p programs to
download material illegally and i'm pretty certain that the trend applies to the
people on this forum as well. My question is: do you think this is right?
A good friend of mine who doesn't use p2p asked me today: "would you steal
an album from a record shop if you knew you wouldn't be caught". This
really made me think. Do people Really use p2p beacuse they
believe that they are fighting against "big, evil" multinational coorporations, or are we
simply doing it in the knowledge that the risk of punishment is non-existant;
hence we can get something that we would normally have to pay for, for free.
Anything that is fast, simple, and free, people will use. I wouldn't steal
anything even if I knew I wouldn't be caught, but I do use BT like nothing I
guess. There is a small risk of punishment (so small its non-existant ) but I use
it because it's the fastest way to get new unlicensed stuff
I suppose BT and similar programs HAVE a form of piracy in some cases...people
who use it to download recently released albums/TV shows/movies are indeed
pirating. It really takes a lot of profit off those who work hard to make a
living, but they are still supported by non-pirates. Regardless, I still do use
BT for licensed and unlicensed stuff...but at the same time, I purchase the real
deal when I can (since nothing's better than the real deal ) I guess it
depends on how you use your program that determines whether it's right or wrong.
As for myself, I'm like WateryAura, I won't steal even if I won't get caught. It
is true that these downloading programs are abused so that people can get the
things they want for free. However, you can't blame the programs for the content
that people trade over them. I will never download things things that I can go
to the store and buy or get online. But for items that are unavailible to me,
such as unlicenced anime, I have no problem with downloading because I will buy
the item I download if I decide to keep it on my computer.
The problem isn't the program it's the people that use it to get what they want
for free with little chance for consequence.
sorry i'm not rich..so i download what i wanna taste .if i liked it i'll buy
it..maybe (if i have the money someday ? )
i've buy it somethings i realy hate and..sorry i don't wanna do the same mistake
twice
well..while ppl don't record it and sell it as pirates in the streets ..it
doesn't care ..i supposed
i buy doom3 and..after 2 days (like 4 hours played) i throw away the game...yea
for me was a s*x ...so sorry if i won't buy everything just to taste
I use bit torrent and p2p....I don't think that using them is that terrible. I
use bit torrent mainly for watching anime that I couldn't watch other than
through bit torrent. I use p2p for music, but any local music I buy the cd and
don't use p2p/bit torrent.
"would you steal an album from a record shop if you knew you wouldn't be
caught"
that's a hard question for me to understand. is your friend implying that people
who download illegally would also shoplift if they knew they wouldn't get
caught?
Well it depends how one used BT/p2p...
I use to play WoW and blizzard used a P2P/Bt type program and that was nice caz
people help each other out... Also d/ling updates are good with p2p but when its
wrong is d/ling movies!
It's not that the program or method is illegal, but the uses are. Whatever you
do is your business. I don't see any major software companies struggling at the
moment. Same goes for artists with record labels and actors.
If you ask me, it's just balancing things out.
Right or wrong is rather irrelevant. One must get what one desires, pardon me if
I come across as a tad Machiavellian. I want music, tv, movies..if I lack the
cash, then I acquire them elsewhere.
BT and P2P are just technolgies which help us users obtain data in a different
way.
If you distribute or download illegal material then it's wrong.
If you distribute or download material that is authorized then it's okay to use
BT or P2P. Just that you do not seed illegal or unauthorized materials.
Some companies uses the BT or P2P method to let users download what they want.
e.g. FutureMark's 3DMark 2005 Free version is avaiable for download through
different download servers. MajorGeek lets users download 3DMark 2005 Free
version through BT.
Quote by TeryonRight or wrong is rather
irrelevant. One must get what one desires, pardon me if I come across as a tad
Machiavellian. I want music, tv, movies..if I lack the cash, then I acquire them
elsewhere.
I will not be denied.
true. i don't have any cash that i can spend online to get the things that i
can't buy locally. so i download them through bittorrent
I use mostly legal software, and being on dialup have never really downloaded
any software. The truth is that when you buy a CD at a shop, the artist gets
like 5 cents and the store gets 50% and the publisher gets the rest, hardly
fair.
I personally use BT to release some of my own work, so it has both positive and
negative uses.
As others have mentioned, it's all about how you use it. The RIAA and MPAA would
like you to beleive that all forms of p2p are inherantly evil. People like to
try to label copyright infringment theft or piracy, but it is neither.
Downloading a song is a victimless crime. The act of downloading it does not
deprive anyone of their property. That doesn't mean that it's right to do, but
punk corperations want to make people beleive it's the ultimate evil.
Quote by cup-of-tea"would you
steal an album from a record shop if you knew you wouldn't be
caught"
that's a hard question for me to understand. is your friend implying that people
who download illegally would also shoplift if they knew they wouldn't get
caught?
I was trying to make the point that people generally WILL perform illegal acts
for their own needs if they know that there is no chance of being caught e.g.
downloading films/music etc. Our current system of law revolves around a single
concept: break the law and you will be punished. Imagine a world where the
"punishment" component of law does not exist. Would people still
uphold the law? Unlikely; in fact, impossible.
Why do we act the way we do? That is a metaphysical question that i doubt anyone
can stand up and say that they know the definitive answer to. (Yes, i'm well
versed in the main theories; evolutionary, theological)
Quote by jim3535Downloading a song is a
victimless crime. The act of downloading it does not deprive anyone of their
property
I would argue that it does. Surely downloading a song directly affects the band
who produced that song. They receive a lower income since less people are buying
their albums/singles. It is true however, that the volume of downloads for any
artist is directly correlated to their popularity and consequently, their
income. Therefore the financial effect on any particular artist is in general
directly proportional to their popularity/revenue.
Yeah you are not stealing as olong as you buy the dvds in the future. so it just
depends on how you use it an d you stop downloading after an show is lisenced.
Quote by jim3535Downloading a song is a
victimless crime. The act of downloading it does not deprive anyone of their
property
I would argue that it does. Surely downloading a song directly affects the band
who produced that song. They receive a lower income since less people are buying
their albums/singles. It is true however, that the volume of downloads for any
artist is directly correlated to their popularity and consequently, their
income. Therefore the financial effect on any particular artist is in general
directly proportional to their popularity/revenue.
How many cds have you copied to your computer? How many copies have you burned?
How many copies have you let friends borrow? How many friends have copied your
cds onto thier HD?
According to what you just said you should have downloaded all the songs, your
should have bought multiple copies, your friends should have bought their own
and downloaded their own.
Now you're saying, "But I bought it, I can copy it to my comp, I can burn
it, I can share it with my friends." Well isn't that what P2P is? Would it
be any different if you emailed the files around the internet?
Not playing the blame game, just getting a point across...
As far as music goes, most people don't listen to every song on an album. You're
paying for each song, but you only enjoy several? This is where subscription or
pay-to-download services come in, and they've made a killing off of what should
have been an industry practice long ago. If I think an album is good enough,
I'll buy it. The only time I can justify spending oodles of money on music is
when I'm browsing cdjapan (<3).
As for anime, I prefer to watch fansubs simply because the type looks much
better (and those little bits of info help a lot sometimes). One big reason I
download is because it takes ages for a licensed series to be released
stateside. Then when it finally is, buying complete seasons can empty your
wallet. Fast.
Movies... Well, I just rent and rip those. I won't touch programs because I
can't remember the last time I spent money on one (other than games), but I
really don't think $600+ for an image manipulation program is a worthwhile
investment.
Quote by kilcunNow you're saying,
"But I bought it, I can copy it to my comp, I can burn it, I can share it
with my friends." Well isn't that what P2P is? Would it be any different if
you emailed the files around the internet?
Your title thread is quite misleading... after all p2p can be used in a legal
way, doesn't Blizzard use BT for its update of WoW ? There's also the Gutenberg
project.
And well there must be a rigth middle in it. I know that some claim file-sharing
also allows them to have access to rare things, and to listen before buying.
Others in the other hand won't buy it if they have too (well if you have dl it,
that doesn't mean that you would have buy it otherwise).
I don't think the big figth against big evil companies is really true... even if
it seems true that music seems to be expensive compared to other medias, see the
dvd, the games (and time and money is limited).
I'm sure everyone knows all about file sharing on the internet and that you can download all sorts of music, movies, games etc. using certain applications. A lot of people i know at university (maybe even a majority) use p2p programs to download material illegally and i'm pretty certain that the trend applies to the people on this forum as well. My question is: do you think this is right?
A good friend of mine who doesn't use p2p asked me today: "would you steal an album from a record shop if you knew you wouldn't be caught". This really made me think. Do people Really use p2p beacuse they believe that they are fighting against "big, evil" multinational coorporations, or are we simply doing it in the knowledge that the risk of punishment is non-existant; hence we can get something that we would normally have to pay for, for free.
Anything that is fast, simple, and free, people will use. I wouldn't steal anything even if I knew I wouldn't be caught, but I do use BT like nothing I guess. There is a small risk of punishment (so small its non-existant
) but I use
it because it's the fastest way to get new unlicensed stuff
I suppose BT and similar programs HAVE a form of piracy in some cases...people who use it to download recently released albums/TV shows/movies are indeed pirating. It really takes a lot of profit off those who work hard to make a living, but they are still supported by non-pirates. Regardless, I still do use BT for licensed and unlicensed stuff...but at the same time, I purchase the real deal when I can (since nothing's better than the real deal
) I guess it
depends on how you use your program that determines whether it's right or wrong.
As for myself, I'm like WateryAura, I won't steal even if I won't get caught. It is true that these downloading programs are abused so that people can get the things they want for free. However, you can't blame the programs for the content that people trade over them. I will never download things things that I can go to the store and buy or get online. But for items that are unavailible to me, such as unlicenced anime, I have no problem with downloading because I will buy the item I download if I decide to keep it on my computer.
The problem isn't the program it's the people that use it to get what they want for free with little chance for consequence.
sorry i'm not rich..so i download what i wanna taste .if i liked it i'll buy it..maybe (if i have the money someday ? )
i've buy it somethings i realy hate and..sorry i don't wanna do the same mistake twice
well..while ppl don't record it and sell it as pirates in the streets ..it doesn't care ..i supposed
i buy doom3 and..after 2 days (like 4 hours played) i throw away the game...yea for me was a s*x ...so sorry if i won't buy everything just to taste
I use bit torrent and p2p....I don't think that using them is that terrible. I use bit torrent mainly for watching anime that I couldn't watch other than through bit torrent. I use p2p for music, but any local music I buy the cd and don't use p2p/bit torrent.
I don't think is wrong because not everybody has access to somethings that us really want and this programs gives the opportunity to have access.
"would you steal an album from a record shop if you knew you wouldn't be caught"
that's a hard question for me to understand. is your friend implying that people who download illegally would also shoplift if they knew they wouldn't get caught?
Well it depends how one used BT/p2p...
I use to play WoW and blizzard used a P2P/Bt type program and that was nice caz people help each other out... Also d/ling updates are good with p2p but when its wrong is d/ling movies!
It's not that the program or method is illegal, but the uses are. Whatever you do is your business. I don't see any major software companies struggling at the moment. Same goes for artists with record labels and actors.
If you ask me, it's just balancing things out.
Right or wrong is rather irrelevant. One must get what one desires, pardon me if I come across as a tad Machiavellian. I want music, tv, movies..if I lack the cash, then I acquire them elsewhere.
I will not be denied.
BT and P2P are just technolgies which help us users obtain data in a different way.
If you distribute or download illegal material then it's wrong.
If you distribute or download material that is authorized then it's okay to use BT or P2P. Just that you do not seed illegal or unauthorized materials.
Some companies uses the BT or P2P method to let users download what they want.
e.g. FutureMark's 3DMark 2005 Free version is avaiable for download through different download servers. MajorGeek lets users download 3DMark 2005 Free version through BT.
true. i don't have any cash that i can spend online to get the things that i can't buy locally. so i download them through bittorrent
I use mostly legal software, and being on dialup have never really downloaded any software. The truth is that when you buy a CD at a shop, the artist gets like 5 cents and the store gets 50% and the publisher gets the rest, hardly fair.
I personally use BT to release some of my own work, so it has both positive and negative uses.
As others have mentioned, it's all about how you use it. The RIAA and MPAA would like you to beleive that all forms of p2p are inherantly evil. People like to try to label copyright infringment theft or piracy, but it is neither. Downloading a song is a victimless crime. The act of downloading it does not deprive anyone of their property. That doesn't mean that it's right to do, but punk corperations want to make people beleive it's the ultimate evil.
I use bit torrent and p2p
but i buy manga and dvd in internet
I was trying to make the point that people generally WILL perform illegal acts for their own needs if they know that there is no chance of being caught e.g. downloading films/music etc. Our current system of law revolves around a single concept: break the law and you will be punished. Imagine a world where the "punishment" component of law does not exist. Would people still uphold the law? Unlikely; in fact, impossible.
Why do we act the way we do? That is a metaphysical question that i doubt anyone can stand up and say that they know the definitive answer to. (Yes, i'm well versed in the main theories; evolutionary, theological)
I would argue that it does. Surely downloading a song directly affects the band who produced that song. They receive a lower income since less people are buying their albums/singles. It is true however, that the volume of downloads for any artist is directly correlated to their popularity and consequently, their income. Therefore the financial effect on any particular artist is in general directly proportional to their popularity/revenue.
Yeah you are not stealing as olong as you buy the dvds in the future. so it just depends on how you use it an d you stop downloading after an show is lisenced.
How many cds have you copied to your computer? How many copies have you burned? How many copies have you let friends borrow? How many friends have copied your cds onto thier HD?
According to what you just said you should have downloaded all the songs, your should have bought multiple copies, your friends should have bought their own and downloaded their own.
Now you're saying, "But I bought it, I can copy it to my comp, I can burn it, I can share it with my friends." Well isn't that what P2P is? Would it be any different if you emailed the files around the internet?
Not playing the blame game, just getting a point across...
As far as music goes, most people don't listen to every song on an album. You're paying for each song, but you only enjoy several? This is where subscription or pay-to-download services come in, and they've made a killing off of what should have been an industry practice long ago. If I think an album is good enough, I'll buy it. The only time I can justify spending oodles of money on music is when I'm browsing cdjapan (<3).
As for anime, I prefer to watch fansubs simply because the type looks much better (and those little bits of info help a lot sometimes). One big reason I download is because it takes ages for a licensed series to be released stateside. Then when it finally is, buying complete seasons can empty your wallet. Fast.
Movies... Well, I just rent and rip those. I won't touch programs because I can't remember the last time I spent money on one (other than games), but I really don't think $600+ for an image manipulation program is a worthwhile investment.
sometimes i download stuff to determine if i like it, and if i like it i normally will buy it.
Hmm? When exactly did i say that?
Your title thread is quite misleading... after all p2p can be used in a legal way, doesn't Blizzard use BT for its update of WoW ? There's also the Gutenberg project.
And well there must be a rigth middle in it. I know that some claim file-sharing also allows them to have access to rare things, and to listen before buying. Others in the other hand won't buy it if they have too (well if you have dl it, that doesn't mean that you would have buy it otherwise).
I don't think the big figth against big evil companies is really true... even if it seems true that music seems to be expensive compared to other medias, see the dvd, the games (and time and money is limited).
I only use p2p to dl anime. The only animes that i dl are un-copyrighted anyway, so im not stealing