Do you support or oppose the idea of a death penalty?
I myself support it. I make no apology or excuse. In fact, some of you might
find my reasoning behind supporting a death penalty to be...monstrous.
Despite that, I still support a death penalty.
My reasons? I do not feel that we should be asked to shelter, feed, clothe, or
provide for people who have taken it upon themselves to kill members of our
society for their own selfish reasons.
Whether it be for passion, financial profit, or just an old fashioned case of
insanity, a murderer has snuffed out a life, and thus have forfeited the right
to have one of their own.
Now, I am also of the opinion that not enough crimes are eligible for the death
penalty. Right now only first degree murder qualifies.
I think that rape and pedophillia oght to be added to the list of capital
offenses.
No one gave the right to kill to man, man gave the right to kill upon himself.
Death penalties are viewed from different sidelines, so this question is as open
ended as any complex human rights debate.
Quote by jasaiyajinNo one gave the
right to kill to man, .
Not entirely true. I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity, God
perscribed a death penalty for a multitude of sins.
For example, after Jericho, the Israelites were ordered to stone one of their
own families to death, because they had laid hands upon gold from Jericho. It
was a death penalty handed down from God Himself.
I support the death penalty. My reason? In a society based on rule of law, the
citizens are expected to observe the rights of others. How did rights came to
be? Because we have duty to do unto others what we want others to do unto us.
The very basic principle of right and duties.
Now, when a state has promulgated laws stating that it citizens are entitled to
the right of life and freedom save and except in accordance with the law, isn't
it the right of the state to determine that where a person has wrongfully or
criminally deprived someone of his life, wouldn't that person cease to have the
same right to live be accorded to him as well by others (including the
state)?
I think I'll paste the reply I made in another thread here:
Quote: Yes, I do support them
PROVIDED they are sentenced according to/administered by the due process of law.
That means the accused is first given a fair trial, with legal representation,
with evidence available presented before the court and the accused gets the
death penalty after all those evidence presented have been fairly heard and
deliberated by the judge.
Again as a pre-emptive measure, even the highest law of the land in a democratic
country (typically the Constitution) usually state that no person shall be
deprived of his life or personal liberty save in accordance with law. Heck, even
the US Constitution have a provision of that effect (for those who does not know
- check Sec.1, Amendment XIV). Accordingly, it is the prerogative of the state
to formulate laws and the accompanying sanctions as it may see fit in order to
protect public life, safety and security. If the state has to use the death
penalty as a method of instilling fear in the citizens against committing
violent crimes, drugs offences, etc., so be it.
Yes, innocents may unfortunately be a victim but again, that depends on multiple
factors i.e. in the wrong place at the wrong time, mistaken identity, lack of
exonerating evidence, etc. but just because innocents do get caught (very few or
rare compared to the total number of actual criminals), why should we abandon
it? The DP is nothing more than a 2-edged sword. If we say DP is wrong because
it kills innocents, why don't we say guns (yet another 2-edged sword) are wrong
because thousands of innocents die from them every day? And by extension of
that, why don't we abolish the use of guns from the public (whoa boy, I can just
see the anti-gun lobbyists jumping in joy with this
solution).
If I may add, even in states that have apparently abolished the death penalty
(which I imagine much to the relief of the anti-death penalty groups) - if these
groups had bothered to look deeper, they WILL find that provisions for death
penalty still exists which can be instituted back at any time as the state deems
fit or when the situation or crime warrants it. It may even be a very broad
provision. Case in point: UK. Just have a look at the Schedule of the Human
Rights Act 1998.
My point: no state is sufficiently insane to utterly deprive itself of this
ultimate sanction, no matter how civilised it may claim to be.
....
death penalty...-
ok. i'm a opponent of this-
the human is an imperfect creature, so we are always repeating same errors.
first, sicologicamente speaking, rape, pedophillia and murders become from ill
people...
in the human rights, is a lacks "kill" in any sense (articulate number three)...
kill is kill, death is death, so the idea of 'death penalty' is only one form to
legalize something completely illegal, something that goes against the rights of
all human being.
nobody is nobody to judge the lack of the other people, some of us is perfect?,
no, we can pay with death an error that maybe is worth almost the same with much
which we have committed.
is going to continue appearing equal people to whom we are killing, that with
killing them to all is going away to solve the problem?, no.
finaly, maybe thats one of the reasons that i like my country. here death
penalty was abolished...
(...)
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
(...)
I used to be in favor of the death penalty; however, I am now against the death
penalty for the following reasons:
1. I am pro-life. I feel that if I am anti-abortion because I believe in the
sanctity of life, then I should be pro-life regardless.
2. It is over 3 times more expensive to put some one on death row and see them
through to their execution then it is to incarcerate for life.
3. There is a distinct chance that the executed person may be innocent of the
crime.
4. There is a clear racial bias in death penalty cases.
5. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I wish I had more time to write an in depth rebuttal. Since I am at work, this
will have to do.
I agree with niina02 on this, death panelty isn't gona solve the problem. We
aren't perfect and you have no right to judge those people because i know you
can't tell me you're perfect. bweb you state an example from the Old testament
not from the new testament in which Jesus changed those views "You have
heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say
to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also...." (Matthew 5:38:45 RSV) I can see the
points and views of people that support the death penalty, but i don't think
that would solve the problem its in our nature to be violent and you aren't gona
stop crime by the death panelty.
I think if someone kill another person, he assumes his acts. He has to know that
could cost him a lot and he could lost his life. Humans don't have the rights to
decide who can live and who can die. But we reap what we sow...
I myself am against the death penalty. This may sound kinda stupied but you
shouldn't kill a person because he killed someone else. It is kinda like how two
wrongs dont make a right, if someone kills a person and than they kill the
murderer, is killing him going to bring the other person back? Is it going to
heal the people who are hurt by the death? I dont think so.
Besides death and be an easy way out of jail, y not just keep them in their for
life, they couldn't kill anymore people and they would learn why what they did
is wrong. No human has a right to kill another human, we should just put them in
jail, not determine the way they die.
Yay, Death penalty good, and I don't like all the wussies who can't stand
killing criminals or just people in general. Because we are overpopulated and we
could probably stand a few more massive population erasing disasters. Humans are
like rodents or bugs, there are too many of us. And if we need to thin out our
population it might as well be the extreme criminals.
merged: 12-15-2005 ~ 01:41am
Quote by bwebDo you support or oppose the
idea of a death penalty?
I myself support it. I make no apology or excuse. In fact, some of you might
find my reasoning behind supporting a death penalty to be...monstrous.
Despite that, I still support a death penalty.
My reasons? I do not feel that we should be asked to shelter, feed, clothe, or
provide for people who have taken it upon themselves to kill members of our
society for their own selfish reasons.
Whether it be for passion, financial profit, or just an old fashioned case of
insanity, a murderer has snuffed out a life, and thus have forfeited the right
to have one of their own.
Now, I am also of the opinion that not enough crimes are eligible for the death
penalty. Right now only first degree murder qualifies.
I think that rape and pedophillia oght to be added to the list of capital
offenses.
That why the song is called IMAGINE
(:form a mental image of something that is NOT PRESENT or that is NOT THE
CASE)
I Support
Can people change in prison (dont think so)
Bringing back murderers in society (not a good idea)
How about torturing (its better to be dead)
dont wasting space in prisons
So killing people is only allowed in certain situation (War)
Against. What happens if the person really was innocent and later on with better
technology, they actually prove innocence?, but its too late since their dead.
Courts do make mistakes sometimes and i do not stand by killing someone due to a
mistake or a technicality. Imprisonment for life id say is a better, but
obviously, money and such is a problem. Well, just my to cents.
Quote by DelgadosI'm against because its
too kind.
I'd rather see the punished rot in jail than die quickly.
not to mention that if he's innocent he could be released.
You know, I hear alot of death penalty opponents say that life in prison is
crueler than death, but you never see people trying to get executed rather than
face life in prison. You do still see plenty of people trying to get out of
being executed, though.
i am for the death penalty...in some cases. and some of the people that replyed
to this i have one question for you. what if everyone you hold close where
killed by one person and came an inch from killing you would you have the same
point of veiw?
From my knowledge, the death penalty has been a subject of debate in our
country. Recently, a convected murderer named Stanley Tookie Williams was
exacuted in Califormia. He did show his remorse for his crimes and gained some
supporters to oppose the exacution; however, the relatives and friends of the
four people that Stanley murdered considered the exacution as a justified way of
bring justice. In my opinon, the death penalty is a natural way of bring justice
for crimes against humanity and I'm not afraid to say I support it.
Death Penalty is quick solution. It is not right nor wrong. Its a result, as
criminals are result of society bugs. To support either side is to get emotional
and that is only temporary solution. I myself am for destruction of humans. Or
maybe i'm greeting another 6am morning ray and need to go to bed.
first point: those who are punished like this can wait a long time before (some
days ago, the black man (sorry, i've forgot his name) has waited more than 20
years before his death penalty)
second point: the man who decide if someone can live or die is too a murderer: a
life is a life. justice is human, you can't decide is someone else should live
or die!
third point: i live in a country which has stopped this penalty since 1981.
that's why i can't understand that we can do a such thing today. maybe, there
are other solutions, even if i don't know what. the only thing i know is: to
kill someone is really bad, even if this personn is the worst pervert or killer
in the world.
I support death penalty over life in prison because it take the tax payer's
money to keep them in prison. the only way i'll support life in prison is if
they make good use of the convicted crimals. like hard labor work that pay next
to nothing. they way it make give them some reason not to commit crimes.
excuse me, pongchan, but what you've wrote...
maybe, it's a mistake, but i've understood this:
monney is more important than life, even if this is a criminal life...
i'm sorry, a life is a life. ok, all the life in prison cost, but it's the only
way for the guilty to try to save himself. ok, this is hard when everyone around
you are criminals, but ...
ok, i'm for hard labor work, as you said, but no death penalty...
Quote by cenocresexcuse me, pongchan,
but what you've wrote...
maybe, it's a mistake, but i've understood this:
monney is more important than life, even if this is a criminal life...
i'm sorry, a life is a life. ok, all the life in prison cost, but it's the only
way for the guilty to try to save himself. ok, this is hard when everyone around
you are criminals, but ...
ok, i'm for hard labor work, as you said, but no death
penalty...
Why should we as a society be asked to fund the continued survival of a person
who killed productive members of our society to suit their own selfish desires,
ambitions, or simple insanity?
If a dog is rabid, you put it down. If a person kills other people for no good
reason, you put them down to save society.
Do you support or oppose the idea of a death penalty?
I myself support it. I make no apology or excuse. In fact, some of you might find my reasoning behind supporting a death penalty to be...monstrous.
Despite that, I still support a death penalty.
My reasons? I do not feel that we should be asked to shelter, feed, clothe, or provide for people who have taken it upon themselves to kill members of our society for their own selfish reasons.
Whether it be for passion, financial profit, or just an old fashioned case of insanity, a murderer has snuffed out a life, and thus have forfeited the right to have one of their own.
Now, I am also of the opinion that not enough crimes are eligible for the death penalty. Right now only first degree murder qualifies.
I think that rape and pedophillia oght to be added to the list of capital offenses.
So, what are your views on the death penalty?
No one gave the right to kill to man, man gave the right to kill upon himself. Death penalties are viewed from different sidelines, so this question is as open ended as any complex human rights debate.
Not entirely true. I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity, God perscribed a death penalty for a multitude of sins.
For example, after Jericho, the Israelites were ordered to stone one of their own families to death, because they had laid hands upon gold from Jericho. It was a death penalty handed down from God Himself.
I support the death penalty. My reason? In a society based on rule of law, the citizens are expected to observe the rights of others. How did rights came to be? Because we have duty to do unto others what we want others to do unto us. The very basic principle of right and duties.
Now, when a state has promulgated laws stating that it citizens are entitled to the right of life and freedom save and except in accordance with the law, isn't it the right of the state to determine that where a person has wrongfully or criminally deprived someone of his life, wouldn't that person cease to have the same right to live be accorded to him as well by others (including the state)?
I think I'll paste the reply I made in another thread here:
If I may add, even in states that have apparently abolished the death penalty (which I imagine much to the relief of the anti-death penalty groups) - if these groups had bothered to look deeper, they WILL find that provisions for death penalty still exists which can be instituted back at any time as the state deems fit or when the situation or crime warrants it. It may even be a very broad provision. Case in point: UK. Just have a look at the Schedule of the Human Rights Act 1998.
My point: no state is sufficiently insane to utterly deprive itself of this ultimate sanction, no matter how civilised it may claim to be.
....
death penalty...-
ok. i'm a opponent of this-
the human is an imperfect creature, so we are always repeating same errors.
first, sicologicamente speaking, rape, pedophillia and murders become from ill people...
in the human rights, is a lacks "kill" in any sense (articulate number three)...
kill is kill, death is death, so the idea of 'death penalty' is only one form to legalize something completely illegal, something that goes against the rights of all human being.
nobody is nobody to judge the lack of the other people, some of us is perfect?, no, we can pay with death an error that maybe is worth almost the same with much which we have committed.
is going to continue appearing equal people to whom we are killing, that with killing them to all is going away to solve the problem?, no.
finaly, maybe thats one of the reasons that i like my country. here death penalty was abolished...
(...)
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
(...)
I'm against because its too kind.
I'd rather see the punished rot in jail than die quickly.
not to mention that if he's innocent he could be released.
I used to be in favor of the death penalty; however, I am now against the death penalty for the following reasons:
1. I am pro-life. I feel that if I am anti-abortion because I believe in the sanctity of life, then I should be pro-life regardless.
2. It is over 3 times more expensive to put some one on death row and see them through to their execution then it is to incarcerate for life.
3. There is a distinct chance that the executed person may be innocent of the crime.
4. There is a clear racial bias in death penalty cases.
5. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I wish I had more time to write an in depth rebuttal. Since I am at work, this will have to do.
I agree with niina02 on this, death panelty isn't gona solve the problem. We aren't perfect and you have no right to judge those people because i know you can't tell me you're perfect. bweb you state an example from the Old testament not from the new testament in which Jesus changed those views "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also...." (Matthew 5:38:45 RSV) I can see the points and views of people that support the death penalty, but i don't think that would solve the problem its in our nature to be violent and you aren't gona stop crime by the death panelty.
I think if someone kill another person, he assumes his acts. He has to know that could cost him a lot and he could lost his life. Humans don't have the rights to decide who can live and who can die. But we reap what we sow...
I myself am against the death penalty. This may sound kinda stupied but you shouldn't kill a person because he killed someone else. It is kinda like how two wrongs dont make a right, if someone kills a person and than they kill the murderer, is killing him going to bring the other person back? Is it going to heal the people who are hurt by the death? I dont think so.
Besides death and be an easy way out of jail, y not just keep them in their for life, they couldn't kill anymore people and they would learn why what they did is wrong. No human has a right to kill another human, we should just put them in jail, not determine the way they die.
Yay, Death penalty good, and I don't like all the wussies who can't stand killing criminals or just people in general. Because we are overpopulated and we could probably stand a few more massive population erasing disasters. Humans are like rodents or bugs, there are too many of us. And if we need to thin out our population it might as well be the extreme criminals.
merged: 12-15-2005 ~ 01:41am
I completely agree with this person.
That why the song is called IMAGINE
(:form a mental image of something that is NOT PRESENT or that is NOT THE CASE)
I Support
Can people change in prison (dont think so)
Bringing back murderers in society (not a good idea)
How about torturing (its better to be dead)
dont wasting space in prisons
So killing people is only allowed in certain situation (War)
Against. What happens if the person really was innocent and later on with better technology, they actually prove innocence?, but its too late since their dead. Courts do make mistakes sometimes and i do not stand by killing someone due to a mistake or a technicality. Imprisonment for life id say is a better, but obviously, money and such is a problem. Well, just my to cents.
No, I do not support the death penalty. It is a pointless act of vengeance, which I cannot support.
You know, I hear alot of death penalty opponents say that life in prison is crueler than death, but you never see people trying to get executed rather than face life in prison. You do still see plenty of people trying to get out of being executed, though.
i am for the death penalty...in some cases. and some of the people that replyed to this i have one question for you. what if everyone you hold close where killed by one person and came an inch from killing you would you have the same point of veiw?
From my knowledge, the death penalty has been a subject of debate in our country. Recently, a convected murderer named Stanley Tookie Williams was exacuted in Califormia. He did show his remorse for his crimes and gained some supporters to oppose the exacution; however, the relatives and friends of the four people that Stanley murdered considered the exacution as a justified way of bring justice. In my opinon, the death penalty is a natural way of bring justice for crimes against humanity and I'm not afraid to say I support it.
Death Penalty is quick solution. It is not right nor wrong. Its a result, as criminals are result of society bugs. To support either side is to get emotional and that is only temporary solution. I myself am for destruction of humans. Or maybe i'm greeting another 6am morning ray and need to go to bed.
i'm against this solution.
first point: those who are punished like this can wait a long time before (some days ago, the black man (sorry, i've forgot his name) has waited more than 20 years before his death penalty)
second point: the man who decide if someone can live or die is too a murderer: a life is a life. justice is human, you can't decide is someone else should live or die!
third point: i live in a country which has stopped this penalty since 1981. that's why i can't understand that we can do a such thing today. maybe, there are other solutions, even if i don't know what. the only thing i know is: to kill someone is really bad, even if this personn is the worst pervert or killer in the world.
Depends on what he or she did. But I personally like the idea of life in prison over the death penalty, letting time do what it does best.
I support death penalty over life in prison because it take the tax payer's money to keep them in prison. the only way i'll support life in prison is if they make good use of the convicted crimals. like hard labor work that pay next to nothing. they way it make give them some reason not to commit crimes.
excuse me, pongchan, but what you've wrote...
maybe, it's a mistake, but i've understood this:
monney is more important than life, even if this is a criminal life...
i'm sorry, a life is a life. ok, all the life in prison cost, but it's the only way for the guilty to try to save himself. ok, this is hard when everyone around you are criminals, but ...
ok, i'm for hard labor work, as you said, but no death penalty...
i sopport it
Why should we as a society be asked to fund the continued survival of a person who killed productive members of our society to suit their own selfish desires, ambitions, or simple insanity?
If a dog is rabid, you put it down. If a person kills other people for no good reason, you put them down to save society.