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Do you believe in Destiny?

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I dont believe in god but about destiny im a bit curious.
I dont think of a destiny like "im destined to become the president" or something like that, but a destiny that every single little thing that happens is allready destined to happen. Even though we make a lot of decisions in our life and there are a lot of things decided by coincidence. But still the outcome of those things and those coincidences and the fact that im writing right now was allready ment to happen exactly like that. That the moment the universe and time started and the earth was formed from gas, heat and dust, that it was allready destined that dinosaurus would die out by a meteor or an icetime or whatever and that human race would envolve and that everything that happens and happen here and in the whole universe is ment to happen as it happens.
That would imply that if you would feed a superfast computer with all the infrmation of the universe and everything, it could predict the future.
Same as we can predict how a stone flies when we throw it when we take all the outer influences into consideration, we could predict human life, happenings and the future if we just would be able to take all outer influences into consideration same as with the stone but on a much more complex level; (while this is pretty much impossible, but still if it would be possible theoretically, it would be the proove of destiny and that even if there are a lot of decisions we make in life and coincidences we cant influence, that the outcome of those things is allready clear and "destined")

So what you guys think about destiny?
Is everything allready decided?
Is everything still undecided?
Or might it possible but we will never know?

I recognize your thinking type, I see how your experiences have affected the way you think. There are many like you in this world. My opinion on this topic doesn't have to be believed by anyone, nobody has to even care, but I'l go ahead and tell you. Wile I read your thoughts I saw that you mentioned many times that it is probable that destiny is ment to be, somehow already meant to happen. I actually do agree, but I would say this differently, I believe that destiny, or obliviousely known as "ehoeho" isn't only meant to happen but it actually already did happen, I believe that anything that the human mind can imagine is acually able to happen no matter what. I can't tell you how I know this almost for a fact, but I can say that everyone will soon know this information, you are the first person I revealed this information to, but that doesn't mean only me and you know this. I also think that the word coincidence is actually the exact same thing as destiny, although this is kind of hard to explain, I believe it is real, I also know that Yes we are controlled by someone else out there much greater then us the fact that the human mind exists is proof inough to even say this. Like I said before, nobody has to even listen to what I have to say, but soon they'l find out.......
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merged: 12-24-2005 ~ 07:15am
I havent yet revealed my thoughts to almost anyone except the people I know will probably understand. No body has to believe what I say, you dont even have to read. "-Just warning you in case you are the type of person who thinks wierd-"
.....Destiny to me is something that not many people would say it is, y'see,mostly others would say that destiny is something that is destined to happen, althouth it seems obviouse that thats actually the defenition of the word destiny. I do agree that destiny is when something is destined to already happen,but I acually can say almost for a fact that destiny isn't only when something is and was destined to happen, but it is something that already did happen. I can't reveal the reason why I can almost assure you that all I say is true, but I can say to everyone who reads this that they are reading something not yet heard by almost anyone else. I would actually write more, sorry to leave you in doubts or question, or maybe even confusement I really write something else later for those of you who actually care about what people have to care about, well then.....

hmm...
i kinda dont get it.
but as much as i get it i assume we think pretty much the same way with small differences.
You think (if im right) of "time" as a line that allready reached its end. We just pass through at some point of this line.
I think of "time" as something thats still developing. We are going at the top of that line but whats in front of us on that line is allready there and transparent waiting for us to go onto it. Whatever we do and whatever happens, it is allready to be seen on the transparent line in front of us. But we can only predict little parts of that line with small probability as some aspects that influence specific aspects are too complex for us to take into consideration completely.
like when leafs fall down from a tree in autumn. it might seem as coincidence which leaf falls when and where at which time, but i think it could be predicted if you predict the wather wind temperature and the everything of the tree and stuff like that into consideration. Still the weather at this time might be different by coincidence but i think the are also aspects that influenced the weather so that it will be exactly like that at this specific day. But those aspects have aspects again that influence, so that its pretty much impossible to really predict something thats very complex.

But its a bit confusing how you can be so sure about your theorie. You sound allmost like a creazy prophet/scientist or maybe paranoid. But thats maybe because you havnt completely explained your theory

Destiny is the refuge of the unenlightened. It is what people turn to when they feel they have no control over their own lives, when things are out of their hands or beyond control.

Life is random. Things happen, sometimes with a cause and effect, other times just out of the blue.

It is the person who stands up and decides to take control of the situation, or at least not to let it control them, that forges the path.

So, those of you too scared to live for yourselves, you keep your Destiny and Fate.

Me, I'll be out doing what I need to do to win the day.

For me destiny and god are only thinks that people invented for refuse their responsability, for blame another one about their mistakes.. we're the maker of our destiny, ours and others by good or bad actions.. Abstract concept like this are really relative and nobody can define it or what really it is..

oh oh oh!
you guys got my theory of destiny totally wrong.
its not that i think im not responsible for my actions and doings or anything. Or that how hard i try to do something when i dont succed, i wont blame it on destiny or something.
Im not thinking of things like that im destined to fail and so theres no use in trying...
I just think (to stay at the "trying hard to succed in something example") that how hard i try what im thinking and what im doing, what im deciding and everything is allready destined to be like that and though the outcome happens depending on this. This doesnt mean that i dont have try hard. It just means that my little part on the "ultimate timeline" that indicates everything in this universe, is allready written down, and even when i decide to give up, this decision is allready written in the "transparent timeline" in front of me. My life and my decisions and even my personality get influenced by millions and trilions of little and big aspects, which are influenced by millions aspects again. This goes back untill the time when the big bang happend and space and time started to envolve and the galaxys started to mave and planats started to form (if the theory is correct; but my theory can also apply on other theorys about the beginning of the universe).
You can say some things happen by coincidence or say its because of god; my theory just say it happens because it was influenced by so many little things that it had to happen like that even though it seem like coincidence.
You have to think outside of just the human existance and look at it from the point of the beginning of the universe.
Its a bit hard to put my thoughts into words and make others understand my theory (+ english is not my mothertounge).

And it is just a theory of mine (probably this is allready an old theory which other people allready thought of 1000 years ago).
Im not sure if its true myself and im dont intend to push my responsibilities onto destiny.
I just thought it is an interesting theory and way of thinking and wanted to know if other agree with this theory or think it might be true or think of the timeline as a tree that as further it goes on, the bigger the amount of ways get.

I agree with your theory... (don't worry about your english - it's not my mothertongue too)... Sorry, I have exposed a concept too negative but I think the same as you... forgive me ^^'''

Destiny is a crutch for those too weak to accept responsibility for their own actions and a useful tool for control.

as i once explained destiny to someone, if you are destined to meet, then sooner or later, you will. but it will still be a choice as to how you interact with said person...
im more of a choice versus destiny person....too many people think coincidences are thier destiny or they are told to do things cause it is thier destiny to do so...get told by "spiritual teachers" i mean, or by psychics

i do believe in destinya...i think from the 1st we create it's also the destiny...i guess only people that not ready with the condition they facing will say that they destiny is bad...but i think there isnt bad destiny, there's only how to make it usual...

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Destiny is a crutch for those too weak to accept responsibility for their own actions and a useful tool for control.

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as i once explained destiny to someone, if you are destined to meet, then sooner or later, you will. but it will still be a choice as to how you interact with said person...
im more of a choice versus destiny person....too many people think coincidences are thier destiny or they are told to do things cause it is thier destiny to do so...get told by "spiritual teachers" i mean, or by psychics


Well...
I hardly tried to explain myself but i guess it wasnt read or understood.
The concept of destiny was used as a tool and as and as an excuse for sure in the past. BUT my intention of this topic was to discuss about MY concept/theory of destiny, which doesnt indicate to contral anybode or push away my responsibilities, as i mentioned several times.
And it is NOT about that kind of destiny thats like:
Im destined to meet a person, but what ill do then isnt set.
My theory is about that youll meet that person, on a certain place, a certain time, at a certain place, with certain feelings, with certain thoughts,........ Just every little thing is allready decided.
YET you are STILL responsible for what you do even though what you do is allready decided by destiny.
You can do good things and you can do bad things, and even though those things are allready decided, it doesnt make those bad actions any better, or the good ones any worse.
We allready can predict the future if we just look at small uncomplex things such as weather or physical and chemical experiments. Their influences and factors that make the outcome clear are easyly comprehended and listed up.
Yet when we look at human behaviour or the fact that a certain human was born in a certain time preriod, those ifluences are much too complex and reach far to far back in time that we could predict them.

Destiny is just a thing you can blame on...sorta. I think that your destiny is decided by yourself and no one else can change it. You have to be strong and do whatever you think is right. So..I guess that I do belive in destiny.

I think so too.
you decide your own destiny. Yet (in my theory) your decisions are theoretically predictable.
The theory also corresponds to Einstein's theory of parallel universes. Its just that this universe is like it is. For other possibilities there might be other universes.
But somehow i never really believed in einsteins theory of parallel unverse, but i guess i never really read a detailed article about it. And my theory is just a possible theory in my opinion too.
Its not like i believe it has to be true. Its just possible and an interesting thought.

Einstein's? Really? O.O

hmmm...... i dont really know about einstein's theory of parallel universe and such.... but this is my definition......

destiny is something bound to happen..... however from the above posts.... it seems as if you guys(or ladies) have added the probability factor into this matter....

what do i mean?.... well you see... our world is all controlled by its own nature and is restricted by this certain nature.... for example.... a leaf fall from a tree will have a certain path and will land on a certain spot on the ground.... it is destined to be so... but by putting the probability factor, "IF" a wind picks up... the leaf will choose another path and land on another spot on the ground.... then you will say destiny is being altered or sontrolled.... but in what sense it is being controlled or altered...? why not say that it is destined that the wind picks up and affects the leaf's path and landing point.....

What i am to say is... destiny is something fixed.... it chooses no sides and cannot be changed.... the "destiny" you guys/gals mentioned is just something that you expected or a prediction or otherwise a motive...... you wont know what is destined to happen until it really happen.....

my 20 cents

yeah that are exactly what my thoughts were. the wind is just also bound to appear same as what make the wind appear is bound to happen.
And though you are theoretically able to completely predict the future (which is possible even now for little uncomplex things).
Same as you can traval through time (which as acctually theoretically possible too and proven, but its just practical almost impossible for more than few seconds and for a human to survive this travaling).
though I only know about automatically travaling in time by just moving with incredible speed (while I forgot if its into the future or past).
But if you were able to traval into the future, what future would you see? If such things as coincidence really exist in the definition most people believe it exists, wouldnt you always traval into a different future (or two people who would traval into the future would end up in different futures?) in tht case.
My view of destiny can just simply be described as, that they both would end up in exactly the same future because future will only take 1 way.

However there are other theories that you would end up in a different timespace, and that things you change there wouldnt affect your timespace at all.
But another theory says, that if you for example traval back in time, you cant change anything because your efforts to change something are allready intigrated in this reality. you could traval back but if the future ended up like you knew it, it wont change because your efforts are allready passed and must have been unsuccesfull to create the future you know.
But im not sure how to make a connections between these theories and the ultra fast radioactive atoms that are proven to traval in time, in order to live longer that way. ahhh kinda confusing.

can we really travel to the future?.....
I dont really think it is possible.... though Einstein did prove that one can lagg in time through relativity.... but that is slowing down with time... not necessary back to time..... unless someone can firgerprint some energy and send it back to time to show the fingerprint.... then i will believe that by travelling in the speed of sound can allow us to travel back time....

however i do belive that travelling to the future is possible though it will be a one-way-trip..... coz it may be true that by travelling in the speed of light can allow us into another dimension that time travel in a speed much slower than normal... and come back to the normal space to see what happens in the future..... if thats wat you mean? though i would not call that travelling ....(sending to the future?)

hmm.... your logic about travelling back through time sound very good though..... i would agree that it any changes to the past must be insuccessful... or else there will be no initiative to change the past.....

lol.... seems out of the topic.....

I hope I have the power to decide how I wish to manage my life and make my own choices. I'll keep walking on my way no matter what happens. Then I believe that destiny didn't exit and in this world, I'm the only one who is reponsible for my life.

Pre-desitination is a scary concept. If your destined for something then you have no control over it correct. and if you can't control what is your 'life' can you still claim its your life? Can you take credit for the things you achieve and the advancements you make? Is it still life, or is it a game whose outcome has already been decided?

Ok i dont believe in Destiny but i Do believe in God.

I do believe in "Fate" since in thing there is a Diferrence in the two.Other than that mm Destiny is something that would certainly come to be and Fate is something that is posible to happen but could change ( i know its a bit confusing). thats what i think about it though.

At least i dont bellieve in re encarnation i think that a load of rubish but if someone believes in that then they do..
As for Fate i believe that its fate to meet good friends or girlfriend and such but also something like bad things happen due to fate asswell i think which is to show us whats going on or could give you a idea for something at that moment or later in life.....im starting to wounder if anyone understands what im saying..

Sorry if my Spelling is wrong and the grammer im trying.

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