If there is a god, humanity is either some experiment thats gone horribly arwy
or some sick f@#&ed up kind of entertainment. Lets face it at best we are
really fun to watch wether it be indulging in our base needs and desires or our
penchat for destruction. If god does exist why would he, a seemingly
enlightened, omnipotent being, need to witness lower life forms such as
ourselves to grovel at his feet. Oh and you can quote your scriptures all you
want I still say some miserable f&%*ed-up human, wether it be Mohammed,
Moses, or members of Jesus's little cult, wrote it in order to manipulate the
stupid, fearful and weak minded.
i would think that GOD(assume he has feeling like us) is bored... and want
playthings... so he created us like we created computer softwares and play
along... and match our feelings to his and created good and evil to play us
along to see wat happen so that he can enjoy it like watching a movie or
something...
one interesting ideas... if god match our feelings to his.... would he laugh at
comedies and cry at dramas?...lol.... just a comment and a silly question
I believe in something higher than myself. I think someone did create us but why
do we have to suffer if he is so almighty why do we hafta suffer. So I really
don't think i believe in him.
I think he did to see what would happen. Think about it he was all about
punishment and follow me or else at first (think Great Flood) but then he said
he'd never do that again (must of gotten used to us or developed a good headache
medicine for all the headaches we give him) but now hes all about treating
people well allowing us to make our own choices. I think he really enjoys it we
we go and do something and then realize "Well that was stupid!" He
does afterall have a wicked sense of humor (see previous platypus remark by
Krease)
:)
I believe in God, but I don't know how did he exist by himself....
but I agree with the first person, he got bored and decided to create sth. *lol*
....dunno man.
Well I have some kind of strange theory about that so I will try to put on words
here.
I think that God has the power to create but in the begining that was pointless
because was empty (as example think that you do a perfect oil painting that
anybody can see) so God was not very pleased, he could do everything but there
was none to see his magnificent work, so God created us with knowledge and free
will, to learn, to be useful and to not be alone, because a work is proportional
to its usefulness, so if you blame God its only up to you, he will not blame you
for wasting the chance he granted you.
Quote by Samurai-JinWell I have some
kind of strange theory about that so I will try to put on words here.
I think that God has the power to create but in the begining that was pointless
because was empty (as example think that you do a perfect oil painting that
anybody can see) so God was not very pleased, he could do everything but there
was none to see his magnificent work, so God created us with knowledge and free
will, to learn, to be useful and to not be alone, because a work is proportional
to its usefulness, so if you blame God its only up to you, he will not blame you
for wasting the chance he granted you.
lol.... but now to complicarte stuff...
if so... do GOD really love us? becoz we are his masterpiece? or becoz we are
one of his masterpieces....?(scary thought that one is) or will he just move on
to more masterpieces and forget the rests?
also... if GOD can be displeased about something... it will or may show his
imperfectness(comment...so pls no argueing about it in this thread)
hmm... another theory is that God is lonely? he need companionship and so he
create human to fill in that gap
Quote by RubyDrg0n
lol.... but now to complicarte stuff...
if so... do GOD really love us? becoz we are his masterpiece? or becoz we are
one of his masterpieces....?(scary thought that one is) or will he just move on
to more masterpieces and forget the rests?
also... if GOD can be displeased about something... it will or may show his
imperfectness(comment...so pls no argueing about it in this thread)
hmm... another theory is that God is lonely? he need companionship and so he
create human to fill in that gap
I think that we are God masterpice, even if we forget that usually, so if you
gonna ask: then why God let this or that happen... my answer will be this
one:
A person needs to experiment even if that leads to him/her to a wrong path, we
are on our own test field and that's the way of learning.
But about if something displease God, well it's hard to say, more if you see it
in a global aspect, if it leads to a good ending its no matter how hard was
learning.
So giving a chance is not a sign of imperfectness but a sign of real confidence
and love.
And well I wouldn't call lonliness create something and try to share with them
some knowlegde.
I'm a religious one and I could tell looong loong phrases they taught me long
ago about why God created humans. But as I grew up I realized I have my own way
of believing and explaining His deeds. I think we are living on this world (in
corpses - as souls) to make decisions, learn what's wrong and what's right,
study our own nature and be better, because He said that's the way it should be.
Be similar to Jesus Christ...that's a very blunt way to say it but that's it.
I've suffered very much in life, I still do (actually I had a very serious fight
with someone yesterday) but I'm thankful even for that because I've learned so
much. Living with pain and trying to find your own way is much more helpful than
reading a book about "how to get on with people, how to get rich, how to be
happy"...
And for you guys who don't believe in Him. Well that's a pity coz He believes in
You:) And wether you like it or not you're comin with us to heaven, but then
you'll eventually see...we'll all see.
God made us to be happy and to live with Love, Faith, Friendship, Hope,
Inteligence, Joy and Strenght...
He doesn't ask nothing in return for giving us our live for free... except to
live happly ever after...
God is just so cool
hmm.... sry guys(ladies)... going to break that opinion-based "facts"
to bits...
from wat i have heard... you guys are thinking GOD in a human
perspection...(*sigh* written this in another thread already... but who
cares)
how do you know wat God really thinks?
and also how come all of you try to think God are like human (in term of
feelings and like and dislike)
Arthiest opinion: how can God be displeased when he is perfect? and Why can't he
be displeased when he is perfect?(both clashes break the "GOD is PERFECT
stuff"...
assuming the above thingy is correct that God is imperfect, we assume he has
feelings.... so How DO you GUYS ever KNOW how HE FEEL? REASONS:
1. Your're not GOD!
2. since god is a higher being, he should have a different setting of nature and
characteristics and other stuff(like why should god look like a wise old man
with beard and stuff)
3. IF you try to prove it by the bible... ok... the bible has SOOO many
verses... how sure are you that the bible aren't being written correctly? and
also is the bible really God's word?etc...
Since we don't know much about GOD at all.... (argue about the bible... try
me... if you dare...lol) how sure are we about his reasons and desires(if he
have those kinda thingy)?
new thing to add: God create us as decendent? (lol... adding mental traps...
this lead to some part in the above arguments)
Well I'm not talking about facts but on my personal experiences, that could be
limited and humanized, but in my oppinion that's better than a simple because I'm not God, never will understand him and
never try.
About this:
Quote: Arthiest opinion: how can
God be displeased when he is perfect? and Why can't he be displeased when he is
perfect?(both clashes break the "GOD is PERFECT stuff"...
assuming the above thingy is correct that God is imperfect, we assume he has
feelings.... so How DO you GUYS ever KNOW how HE
FEEL?
Better than displeased I will say, he felt that something must be fulfilled and
here we are.
And well imagine you are on a dark and infinite forest and God is a fire on the
most hidden part of that wood, well you can't see that fire directly as you
never reach that point of the forest, but you can say there's something because
sometimes you can see smoke on the clear sky, that's why I know something,
surely too little but enought for me.
Quote by RubyDrg0nhmm.... sry
guys(ladies)... going to break that opinion-based "facts" to
bits...
from wat i have heard... you guys are thinking GOD in a human
perspection...(*sigh* written this in another thread already... but who
cares)
how do you know wat God really thinks?
and also how come all of you try to think God are like human (in term of
feelings and like and dislike)
Arthiest opinion: how can God be displeased when he is perfect? and Why can't he
be displeased when he is perfect?(both clashes break the "GOD is PERFECT
stuff"...
assuming the above thingy is correct that God is imperfect, we assume he has
feelings.... so How DO you GUYS ever KNOW how HE FEEL? REASONS:
1. Your're not GOD!
2. since god is a higher being, he should have a different setting of nature and
characteristics and other stuff(like why should god look like a wise old man
with beard and stuff)
3. IF you try to prove it by the bible... ok... the bible has SOOO many
verses... how sure are you that the bible aren't being written correctly? and
also is the bible really God's word?etc...
Since we don't know much about GOD at all.... (argue about the bible... try
me... if you dare...lol) how sure are we about his reasons and desires(if he
have those kinda thingy)?
new thing to add: God create us as decendent? (lol... adding mental traps...
this lead to some part in the above arguments)
so..instead of thinking about why he created us, u start flaming other ppl for
their belief, what rights do u have to flame other ppl's belief?
Quote by Samurai-JinAnd well imagine
you are on a dark and infinite forest and God is a fire on the most hidden part
of that wood, well you can't see that fire directly as you never reach that
point of the forest, but you can say there's something because sometimes you can
see smoke on the clear sky, that's why I know something, surely too little but
enought for me.
your argument can be used agaisnt you... for example:
you say that i am in a dark infinite forest... and so are you.... you see smoke
and think that there is fire but is there really a fire? or is it something else
that cause the smoke...but is it really a fire that cause the smoke?.... (human
perspection that smoke=fire).....
but wait... more to come... the question would come to mind that is wat you seen
is really smoke? it can be a fog too... and wat create the fog?
your analogy of this whole stuff don't proof anything.... but can be used easily
to preach... coz the human mind is simple and weak... if they don't think
outside the circle... they will tend to think that the "smoke"
perspection they saw is wat you said...-----a FIRE(aka god)....
Quote by Samurai-JinBetter than
displeased I will say, he felt that something must be fulfilled and here we are.
again... this is wat I am telling you guys about....
How DO you ever know WAT GOD feels? CAN he even FEEL is a problem! BY stating
that you know how GOD feels...are you saying that you are on the same level as
GOD?(i kinda like this idea).... and also...
here comes one of the worst human behaviour to exist in religion context(my
view).... You guys like to choose the best option, dont you? to escape
reality...
"better than displeased" shows your bias opinion to get favored... how
do you know if he is not displeased(if he was/can/or exist)?
(another fellow human fall into the drastic mental trap of not thinking
carefully b4 posting...:P....)(sry about this but this feels like a game to me
to find flaws in ppl's ideologies and break(correct) them)
vode: sry about that if i offended you...
but I did think and suggested few reasons my mind can think of about why god
created us... and also i am not flaming ppl for their belief.... i am trying to
correct the way ppl think as you see...
there can be true belief and blind belief.... and i think lots of ppl are blind
believers.... they don't interpret their religion's teachings correctly(always
relying on others for that or etc....) and also they don't broaden their mind
ourtside the circle of their religion....
So wat wrong have I done to deserve being said about flaming other ppl's
religion when I am really trying to help broaden their mind about wat should
they think about if they should learn more about their religion? all the
questions asked are wat I asked myself every time I try to think about religious
stuff.... it is how I think all believers should do to really understand their
religion and truly belief(not trying to escape by creating a false reality of
laws and stuff aka religious teaching..etc...)
As this is a game for you, enjoy, if you can see faults in my arguments... I see
the ones on yours.
Like I did looong time ago in other philoshopic conversations I can argue
eternally perfilating every word, description or idea, but I learned some from
that kind of conversations, example:
"he felt that something must be fulfilled and here we are."
I choose the word felt because is more common to us, I could said "he
choosed", "he decided", even "In his own and all knowning
wisdom" or just "created us" and much others, but you look like
more interested in a word than in a meaning but as you know (and Plato said)
language is imperfect, mine is yours too.
Second:
Quote by RubyDrg0nalso... if GOD can be
displeased about something... it will or may show his imperfectness(comment...so
pls no argueing about it in this thread)
Quote by RubyDrag0n"better than
displeased" shows your bias opinion to get favored... how do you know if he
is not displeased(if he was/can/or exist)?
Well you clearly show here that you think that God never existed/if existed we
are his error/wish never been, that respetable, is your oppinion and everyone
should have one (but no I dont think that my oppinion is better than yours, is
only mine), you surely have a long list of posibilities and God is on the bottom
of there, ok, fine.
As I say, I only answering beacuse I like to share my viewpoint at least once, I
know none will change as that wasn't my intention, but I agree with you in this,
even most honest words can be turned upside down, but at least I tried to show
my respect to your beliefs and answer.
So let me talk about a little longer:
I used to have this kind of conversation with a friend that could (break) them,
and I discovered that he was more blinded than anyone I meet in all my life, of
course from my point of view, he has strong ideas about what life is, and well
after two years of dialogue, he reached to the conclusion that we never could
know anything from God as if he exist he left us careless (and all his emptyness
that I perceived slowly were replaced with anger and hate), and well all the
time spent gone useless, and all the word said (by both) were useless.
But yes I tried to learn some from that, but some people don't want see the
light even if they can see it.
So I will ask some to you as you could diference blind beliefs and true
beliefs:
Are you smarter than anybody else?
Are you God?
If not what lead you to 'correct' ppl 'wrong' ideologies?
Have some upper knowledge that everyone else not?
And finally (and is more a quiz that a question)
From wich religion do you think I am?
Finally I'm not friend of this type of lead to nowhere conversation, so enjoy!
lol... my basis to differentiate them 2 is that true believe like to find out
more and more about their religion through contradicting thoughts and also
accept (reasonable)possibilities as a possibility...
blind belief is just plain reject everything except good stuff about their
religions... of coz, not all cases are like this, but this is how i
think...
to answer your question:
Are you smarter than anybody else?
erm... not too sure, in my own perspective, i AM smarter than lots of ppl but I
am not smarter than lots too... so wat do you think matters more than wat i
think about my intelligence
Are you God?
DO we really need to be God to know how to differentiate between true and blind
belief? dun think so...
If not what lead you to 'correct' ppl 'wrong' ideologies?
hmm... this is complicated, wat i want is not really correcting their ideologies
but actually their behaviour on thinking about an ideology, however i do see
flaws around ideologies and i do try to break them so they can think to fix
it...
But still, maybe correcting ideologies is more toward an inward desire to show
superiority but i am kinda weird and i cant figure out my thoughts right...so
this is all i can give for now...
Have some upper knowledge that everyone else not?
i would say NO in this question.... i have upper knowledge that some ppl don't
have but not all... that is how i think...
From wich religion do you think I am?
I am not sure, you didnt give me enough specs and i don't really know you... so
i really haven't give a thought about it yet....
If there is a god, humanity is either some experiment thats gone horribly arwy or some sick f@#&ed up kind of entertainment. Lets face it at best we are really fun to watch wether it be indulging in our base needs and desires or our penchat for destruction. If god does exist why would he, a seemingly enlightened, omnipotent being, need to witness lower life forms such as ourselves to grovel at his feet. Oh and you can quote your scriptures all you want I still say some miserable f&%*ed-up human, wether it be Mohammed, Moses, or members of Jesus's little cult, wrote it in order to manipulate the stupid, fearful and weak minded.
We are the end result of a highly-involved evolutionary experiment to see how advanced a race would get before God would need to destroy the world.
i would think that GOD(assume he has feeling like us) is bored... and want playthings... so he created us like we created computer softwares and play along... and match our feelings to his and created good and evil to play us along to see wat happen so that he can enjoy it like watching a movie or something...
one interesting ideas... if god match our feelings to his.... would he laugh at comedies and cry at dramas?...lol.... just a comment and a silly question
I believe in something higher than myself. I think someone did create us but why do we have to suffer if he is so almighty why do we hafta suffer. So I really don't think i believe in him.
...
It's really amazing the variety of your answers...
...
The one about a giant noodle monster really made laught...
yeahses... weird theories...
I don' know maybe hw was bored
I think he did to see what would happen. Think about it he was all about punishment and follow me or else at first (think Great Flood) but then he said he'd never do that again (must of gotten used to us or developed a good headache medicine for all the headaches we give him) but now hes all about treating people well allowing us to make our own choices. I think he really enjoys it we we go and do something and then realize "Well that was stupid!" He does afterall have a wicked sense of humor (see previous platypus remark by Krease)
:)
I believe in God, but I don't know how did he exist by himself....
but I agree with the first person, he got bored and decided to create sth. *lol* ....dunno man.
Have u played "The Sims"?
Well I have some kind of strange theory about that so I will try to put on words here.
I think that God has the power to create but in the begining that was pointless because was empty (as example think that you do a perfect oil painting that anybody can see) so God was not very pleased, he could do everything but there was none to see his magnificent work, so God created us with knowledge and free will, to learn, to be useful and to not be alone, because a work is proportional to its usefulness, so if you blame God its only up to you, he will not blame you for wasting the chance he granted you.
lol.... but now to complicarte stuff...
if so... do GOD really love us? becoz we are his masterpiece? or becoz we are one of his masterpieces....?(scary thought that one is) or will he just move on to more masterpieces and forget the rests?
also... if GOD can be displeased about something... it will or may show his imperfectness(comment...so pls no argueing about it in this thread)
hmm... another theory is that God is lonely? he need companionship and so he create human to fill in that gap
I think that we are God masterpice, even if we forget that usually, so if you gonna ask: then why God let this or that happen... my answer will be this one:
A person needs to experiment even if that leads to him/her to a wrong path, we are on our own test field and that's the way of learning.
But about if something displease God, well it's hard to say, more if you see it in a global aspect, if it leads to a good ending its no matter how hard was learning.
So giving a chance is not a sign of imperfectness but a sign of real confidence and love.
And well I wouldn't call lonliness create something and try to share with them some knowlegde.
I'm a religious one and I could tell looong loong phrases they taught me long ago about why God created humans. But as I grew up I realized I have my own way of believing and explaining His deeds. I think we are living on this world (in corpses - as souls) to make decisions, learn what's wrong and what's right, study our own nature and be better, because He said that's the way it should be. Be similar to Jesus Christ...that's a very blunt way to say it but that's it. I've suffered very much in life, I still do (actually I had a very serious fight with someone yesterday) but I'm thankful even for that because I've learned so much. Living with pain and trying to find your own way is much more helpful than reading a book about "how to get on with people, how to get rich, how to be happy"...
And for you guys who don't believe in Him. Well that's a pity coz He believes in You:) And wether you like it or not you're comin with us to heaven, but then you'll eventually see...we'll all see.
Take care, peace everyone
IF god exists,
he creates us just like we are trying to clone other human these days
(to me god is just another scientist and we are products of his experiment)
Always the same question! Why have God created us? Ask different! Why should a superior omnipotent being like God create anything at all?
God made us to be happy and to live with Love, Faith, Friendship, Hope, Inteligence, Joy and Strenght...
He doesn't ask nothing in return for giving us our live for free... except to live happly ever after...
God is just so cool
hmm.... sry guys(ladies)... going to break that opinion-based "facts" to bits...
from wat i have heard... you guys are thinking GOD in a human perspection...(*sigh* written this in another thread already... but who cares)
how do you know wat God really thinks?
and also how come all of you try to think God are like human (in term of feelings and like and dislike)
Arthiest opinion: how can God be displeased when he is perfect? and Why can't he be displeased when he is perfect?(both clashes break the "GOD is PERFECT stuff"...
assuming the above thingy is correct that God is imperfect, we assume he has feelings.... so How DO you GUYS ever KNOW how HE FEEL? REASONS:
1. Your're not GOD!
2. since god is a higher being, he should have a different setting of nature and characteristics and other stuff(like why should god look like a wise old man with beard and stuff)
3. IF you try to prove it by the bible... ok... the bible has SOOO many verses... how sure are you that the bible aren't being written correctly? and also is the bible really God's word?etc...
Since we don't know much about GOD at all.... (argue about the bible... try me... if you dare...lol) how sure are we about his reasons and desires(if he have those kinda thingy)?
new thing to add: God create us as decendent? (lol... adding mental traps... this lead to some part in the above arguments)
Well I'm not talking about facts but on my personal experiences, that could be limited and humanized, but in my oppinion that's better than a simple because I'm not God, never will understand him and never try.
About this:
Better than displeased I will say, he felt that something must be fulfilled and here we are.
And well imagine you are on a dark and infinite forest and God is a fire on the most hidden part of that wood, well you can't see that fire directly as you never reach that point of the forest, but you can say there's something because sometimes you can see smoke on the clear sky, that's why I know something, surely too little but enought for me.
so..instead of thinking about why he created us, u start flaming other ppl for their belief, what rights do u have to flame other ppl's belief?
your argument can be used agaisnt you... for example:
you say that i am in a dark infinite forest... and so are you.... you see smoke and think that there is fire but is there really a fire? or is it something else that cause the smoke...but is it really a fire that cause the smoke?.... (human perspection that smoke=fire).....
but wait... more to come... the question would come to mind that is wat you seen is really smoke? it can be a fog too... and wat create the fog?
your analogy of this whole stuff don't proof anything.... but can be used easily to preach... coz the human mind is simple and weak... if they don't think outside the circle... they will tend to think that the "smoke" perspection they saw is wat you said...-----a FIRE(aka god)....
again... this is wat I am telling you guys about....
How DO you ever know WAT GOD feels? CAN he even FEEL is a problem! BY stating that you know how GOD feels...are you saying that you are on the same level as GOD?(i kinda like this idea).... and also...
here comes one of the worst human behaviour to exist in religion context(my view).... You guys like to choose the best option, dont you? to escape reality...
"better than displeased" shows your bias opinion to get favored... how do you know if he is not displeased(if he was/can/or exist)?
(another fellow human fall into the drastic mental trap of not thinking carefully b4 posting...:P....)(sry about this but this feels like a game to me to find flaws in ppl's ideologies and break(correct) them)
vode: sry about that if i offended you...
but I did think and suggested few reasons my mind can think of about why god created us... and also i am not flaming ppl for their belief.... i am trying to correct the way ppl think as you see...
there can be true belief and blind belief.... and i think lots of ppl are blind believers.... they don't interpret their religion's teachings correctly(always relying on others for that or etc....) and also they don't broaden their mind ourtside the circle of their religion....
So wat wrong have I done to deserve being said about flaming other ppl's religion when I am really trying to help broaden their mind about wat should they think about if they should learn more about their religion? all the questions asked are wat I asked myself every time I try to think about religious stuff.... it is how I think all believers should do to really understand their religion and truly belief(not trying to escape by creating a false reality of laws and stuff aka religious teaching..etc...)
Well RubyDrgon.
As this is a game for you, enjoy, if you can see faults in my arguments... I see the ones on yours.
Like I did looong time ago in other philoshopic conversations I can argue eternally perfilating every word, description or idea, but I learned some from that kind of conversations, example:
"he felt that something must be fulfilled and here we are."
I choose the word felt because is more common to us, I could said "he choosed", "he decided", even "In his own and all knowning wisdom" or just "created us" and much others, but you look like more interested in a word than in a meaning but as you know (and Plato said) language is imperfect, mine is yours too.
Second:
Well you clearly show here that you think that God never existed/if existed we are his error/wish never been, that respetable, is your oppinion and everyone should have one (but no I dont think that my oppinion is better than yours, is only mine), you surely have a long list of posibilities and God is on the bottom of there, ok, fine.
As I say, I only answering beacuse I like to share my viewpoint at least once, I know none will change as that wasn't my intention, but I agree with you in this, even most honest words can be turned upside down, but at least I tried to show my respect to your beliefs and answer.
So let me talk about a little longer:
I used to have this kind of conversation with a friend that could (break) them, and I discovered that he was more blinded than anyone I meet in all my life, of course from my point of view, he has strong ideas about what life is, and well after two years of dialogue, he reached to the conclusion that we never could know anything from God as if he exist he left us careless (and all his emptyness that I perceived slowly were replaced with anger and hate), and well all the time spent gone useless, and all the word said (by both) were useless.
But yes I tried to learn some from that, but some people don't want see the light even if they can see it.
So I will ask some to you as you could diference blind beliefs and true beliefs:
Are you smarter than anybody else?
Are you God?
If not what lead you to 'correct' ppl 'wrong' ideologies?
Have some upper knowledge that everyone else not?
And finally (and is more a quiz that a question)
From wich religion do you think I am?
Finally I'm not friend of this type of lead to nowhere conversation, so enjoy!
lol... my basis to differentiate them 2 is that true believe like to find out more and more about their religion through contradicting thoughts and also accept (reasonable)possibilities as a possibility...
blind belief is just plain reject everything except good stuff about their religions... of coz, not all cases are like this, but this is how i think...
to answer your question:
Are you smarter than anybody else?
erm... not too sure, in my own perspective, i AM smarter than lots of ppl but I am not smarter than lots too... so wat do you think matters more than wat i think about my intelligence
Are you God?
DO we really need to be God to know how to differentiate between true and blind belief? dun think so...
If not what lead you to 'correct' ppl 'wrong' ideologies?
hmm... this is complicated, wat i want is not really correcting their ideologies but actually their behaviour on thinking about an ideology, however i do see flaws around ideologies and i do try to break them so they can think to fix it...
But still, maybe correcting ideologies is more toward an inward desire to show superiority but i am kinda weird and i cant figure out my thoughts right...so this is all i can give for now...
Have some upper knowledge that everyone else not?
i would say NO in this question.... i have upper knowledge that some ppl don't have but not all... that is how i think...
From wich religion do you think I am?
I am not sure, you didnt give me enough specs and i don't really know you... so i really haven't give a thought about it yet....
Although it is a pathetic analogy, I picture a "God" as being a human playing on "The Sims". Play it for fun then stop playing when it gets boring.