The real question is why do you never hear white people use race card? Why everytime an altercation between black and white, do we assume somehow racism to be a factor, or at least the blacks assume?

Clarence Thomas is someone I respect, in that he is logical, articulate and sensible, not Jesse Jackson, who just recently blamed that Racism being the factor in Barry Bond's steriods controversy, YEAH!

Quote by XxRagnarokxX88Another thing is assimilation. Though it's possible for all of us to work with each other, respect one another, and co-exist, we are who we are and to completely assimilate is impossible. Hispanics, afromericans, Irish, gypsy, whites, all people are different and the melting pot can only go so far.

Yeah, I mean, look at England, we never really assimilated properly, people still have definite ideas of whether they're a Celt, or an Angle, or a Saxon, or a Norman.

Oh, wait. We don't. We've all turned completely into one big culture of "English",

Quote by tanteikunThe real question is why do you never hear white people use race card? Why everytime an altercation between black and white, do we assume somehow racism to be a factor, or at least the blacks assume?

Come on......I KNOW that you know better than this.

Pick up a history book.

Quote by LigerZSchnider Come on......I KNOW that you know better than this.

Pick up a history book.

lol, the event which I assume you are referrring to, occured over 150 years ago

So, why is it still relevant?

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lol, the event which I assume you are referrring to, occured over 150 years ago

So, why is it still relevant?

Because racism IS still real. However, the point of this thread was to point out that all races can be racist.

This Congresswoman claims racism, but if she had been an average citizen and not an elected official, then striking that cop would have earned her jail time.

Instead, she gets up and starts calling the cop a racist for doing his job.

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lol, the event which I assume you are referrring to, occured over 150 years ago

So, why is it still relevant?

Because racism IS still real. However, the point of this thread was to point out that all races can be racist.

This Congresswoman claims racism, but if she had been an average citizen and not an elected official, then striking that cop would have earned her jail time.

Instead, she gets up and starts calling the cop a racist for doing his job.

Bingo.

She failed to show responsibility on her part. If she had the proper credentials (which she didn't have any) This wouldn't have escalated into this. If she would have went through the detectors, explained that she forgotten her identification and have someone else identify her or simply went back home and got it (who is going to question her being late), none of this racism would be an issue. However, all of this is doing is making everyone look stupid all over again.

The cop was responsible for doing his job. She should be responsible for doing hers, forgetting your identification ISN'T responsible.

I have to say that reading the responses to this thread, I've seen a lot of latent hostility to the African American community, which I did not expect.
It disturbs me, actually, because in the end, it validates what some of the more hot-headed, and indeed, racist members of that community, have been saying all along.

There are members of the African American community who will cry "racism" at the drop of a hat, and this Congresswoman is one of them. Now, I don't believe that they speak for the whole of the African American populace.

But the sort of ire I've seen lurking in the posts on this thread, it's ammunition for those activists. It reaffirms their viewpoint that ALL of the caucasian community is racist.

The opinions of those who express such hostility are not the whole of the caucasian voice, but they are held up to the African American community by certain biased individuals as examples of the "racism" of the White community.

Quote by bwebI have to say that reading the responses to this thread, I've seen a lot of latent hostility to the African American community, which I did not expect.

I do not think there is hostility in this thread.

Quote by bwebThere are members of the African American community who will cry "racism" at the drop of a hat, and this Congresswoman is one of them. Now, I don't believe that they speak for the whole of the African American populace.

Pick up something from Jesse Jackson

Quote by bwebBut the sort of ire I've seen lurking in the posts on this thread, it's ammunition for those activists. It reaffirms their viewpoint that ALL of the caucasian community is racist.

I am not caucasian, i am cauc asian, if you will

Quote by bwebThe opinions of those who express such hostility are not the whole of the caucasian voice, but they are held up to the African American community by certain biased individuals as examples of the "racism" of the White community.

I think you just explained my reasoning yourself, right? Nothing will get done this way.

However, to answer your question. Racism is not real, it is more of a conception or a belief that people held in their subconscious mind. I do not think you can call "South was racist before civil war" because it was the common practice there at that time.

Of course, to promote tensions among two groups of people, the easiest way would be to depict some incident between them and portray it as a hate crime. People being as helpless as they are, immediately buy into this concept. (Look at what happened in Germany after Hitler took over). I wonder how much has people been misled by the contemporary media on this issue? I cannot help but wonder. Of course, that also explains the congresswoman incident you described earlier

Tanteikun.......

The South have been racist BEFORE and AFTER the civil war. And in many parts, it still is. You can't possibly assume that racism doesn't exist.....You need to really take a road trip. There are places a black person still can't go to, in fact, anyone is isn't white, can't go either. Just because you have been "accepted" doesn't mean you are. There are many guys in my unit who never seen a black guy before till the joined the Army! You don't think by any chance that they have been witness to some or many forms of racism? Or how about blacks who are highly qualified for a position in a work force, only turned down the position so that a white relative, who is less qualified can be given the job? I have been in many of those situations......

Like I said, you need to get out more.....and not to the local mall either.

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As a matter of fact, there are many chat rooms that are "white only" Ares had such rooms, Yahoo is another. Now that My Space.com and blogs has became so popular, I am sure there are more pro-racism boards more than ever. There are people who are afraid to speak on such matters publicly for fear of retaliation. What better way than to use the internet to spread such ignorance today?

Quote by LigerAs a matter of fact, there are many chat rooms that are "white only" Ares had such rooms, Yahoo is another. Now that My Space.com and blogs has became so popular, I am sure there are more pro-racism boards more than ever. There are people who are afraid to speak on such matters publicly for fear of retaliation. What better way than to use the internet to spread such ignorance today?

There are counterexamples as well, one difference being they do it in public, instead of resorting to internet. You never see a scholarship that says "white student only", but many that says "blacks only". Why is that? Is it not racial preferences, and even more, public display of of it.

In fact, my college, one of the IVY League schools, have a dorm that accepts black/latino residence only. Is it segration, similar to the ones in the 50's. So, is it qualified to say that administration is at fault here?

Hey, if I am turned down (I am asian) for a white person for the job, so what? You are always going to think you are more qualified than others. Companies have to choose between many qualified applicants. If the companies do not want you, they would not even waste their time and money to fly you in and interview you. Instead of looking for those reasons (like you mentioned) as to why they did not get a job, maybe theyneed to realize that they have to do better during the interviews (for example, enthusiasm, delinquincy, humbleness, professional), etc.

Those scholarships you mentioned are aimed towards blacks because the majority of them do not go to college. It's their way of providing incentives for people other than whites to pursue higher learning, hence the scholarships for a specific race or color.

As to the special residences, that could be considered segregation, but if I remember correctly, during my high school days, the black students would always sit at their own lunch table. It's like they prefer segragation if they're not being forced to be segregated. You can blame whoever set up the dorms like that, but in reality, they seem willingly be segregated...

Quote by someweirdguyThose scholarships you mentioned are aimed towards blacks because the majority of them do not go to college. It's their way of providing incentives for people other than whites to pursue higher learning, hence the scholarships for a specific race or color.

Well, I am confused about what you are saying here. First of all, who is "their", second of all, is it right?

If there could be a all-black dorm, why not an all-white dorm or an all Asian one, considering the black population in my college is less than 10%, White and Asians account for as much as 80%

I met caucasians come from different areas in US at my University, none of them are racist.

totally agree with liger
ya need to go out of your comfort zone and talk to people around the place(even outside ur country)

over here in australia an intresting event happened recently to really good friend of mine.
an elderly white woman on a train told him" why dont you go back were you came from?"

now he is full blooded indian(prety dark one i might add) but born here, on top of that ALL white people were immigrants. So mate tell me racism doesnt exist.

Also IF racism doesnt exist people(politicians in particular) wouldnt make those statements. because if there was absolutely no backing for it people (bulicly) would "set them straight"

one thing i notice about ur logic is "wacked"
remember that a war was fought over the right of certain races to exist 60 years ago. and america 45 years ago was segregated and australia 30 years ago was "white only"

you were saying something about racism being a metal state of black/asian and other minorities?

Quote by pepeoyou were saying something about racism being a metal state of black/asian and other minorities?

No, I am saying that racism is a perception people resort to when judging an event.

In your example above, could it be that white grandma is talking to some other person, or merely referring to his home. Your friend has this perception that she is being a racist, why? Did the grandma tell her that she is in fact a racist? Why assume that is the case?

The event you listed are distant past already. My uncle lives in Australia and what do you think of that? Clearly it means that Australia is no longer "white only"

If anyone likes to read (anything other than chat forums) you should pick up a book called Mapping Human History by Steve Olson. I had to read it this semester for my English 302 class. It is a great book and brings to light our current understanding of how humans came about and how they somehow prevailed over Neandertal possibly because of the ability to form language, etc. It traces migratory paths from Africa with Mitochondrial Eve through Asia, Europe, back into Africa, etc, and explains that racism is unfounded because we are all the same people. Black people have so much white ancestry, white people have so much black ancestry, and same goes with everyone with everyone else, asian, hispanic, middle eastern. A very good read, indeed

What can we do about racism? Differences make people act a certain way...hence we have media that can be a bit racist and stereotypes that supposedly define a race. There's just nothing we can do about it, but resist it despite it being everywhere.

oh man, i am so sick of racist people. i cant wait for our generation to take over. we seem so much better than this last one. we are less racist and more cool.
but seriously, racism is so old. we should turn from racism to the control of third world countries. they are totally crapping up this world. we need to get over and stop them from destroying their countries resources and smogging it up. racism is old. lets move on and hate something new.

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Quote by someweirdguyThose scholarships you mentioned are aimed towards blacks because the majority of them do not go to college. It's their way of providing incentives for people other than whites to pursue higher learning, hence the scholarships for a specific race or color.

Well, I am confused about what you are saying here. First of all, who is "their", second of all, is it right?

If there could be a all-black dorm, why not an all-white dorm or an all Asian one, considering the black population in my college is less than 10%, White and Asians account for as much as 80%

I met caucasians come from different areas in US at my University, none of them are racist.

By "their", i meant the ones handing out the scholarships. And those could be people and organizations of different ideals and composed of people of different races.

The point of the all-race types of things are mainly to draw those in minority into that estalishment, and encourage them to interact with one another, and hopefully with everyone else. It's sort of like a comfort zone for ones in minority.