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lbbros Flame of Corruption

However: no feedback = less chance of improvement.

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Dec 31, 2004
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lbbros Flame of Corruption

Quote by sammo
2. since when was being elite a bad thing? aren't we all striving for
elitism?

Uhm... no?

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Dec 31, 2004
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minimouzo Papaya

i am asking some rule clarifications after having read them carefully to try to make a french support section to help sheqel on his list to do :

1) problem found while translating the support section :

quote by support section :
Moderators reserve the right to delete material that they deem inappropriate for the Minitokyo Galleries with or without deletion, even if that material conforms to this policy.

the "with or without deletion" is according to me unnecessary no ?

we should just write:
Moderators reserve the right to delete material that they deem inappropriate for the Minitokyo Galleries, even if that material conforms to the policy.

"with or without deletion" makes the sentece weird ... because we speak of deletion just earlier ...

maybe i didn't understand well that sentence ?

2) quote by support section :
You may only submit materials that have at least 16 bit-per-pixel; this does not include greyscale images.

it could be understand like this :
at least 16-bit-per-pixel pic allowed AND THAT proposition doesn't apply to greyscale image. SO greyscale images can be posted and be less thant 16-bit-per pixel

suggestion :
divide this point in two
*You may only submit materials that have at least 16 bit-per-pixel
**this rule doesn't apply to greyscale pictures which can't be uploaded on minitokyo

3)about all "technical" terms like blurry , ... explained as reason of deletion :

i have looked in the sticky threads and i didn't see one explainig clearly what is blurry , ...
maybe should it be great to have a thread with image examples of what isn't good ?

i ask this because i'm not sure of the real meaning of some terms.
i found the correct translation for blurry but there are other terms difficult to translate.
it could also help members to understand why their work is deleted. Maybe some just don't understand the content of the faq ... all persons aren't native speakers

4) about the moderate aspect of the faq

this point is especially due to jinzhou reaction :
i want to point out a thing that really make me irritated about mt ... i have made a forum post to try to discover why a friend of mine was banned. It's a natural reaction if a friend gets a problem i think. Well at the end , jinzhou pointed clearly why she was banned and it's all application of new rules ; so now, i understand . Even the "spam" she had done was considerated as spam due to "bad quality". What confuses me, is that last week, i had a talk with biriwilg about "banning due to bad quality" ; and she said me it will not occur ... so the rules have again changed. Well i can accept this if rules are now well stated.
but what i can't accept is the way a person talked to all of us who only wanted to find "the truth". it's really irrespectuous. in moderators , there is also the word moderate no ? and if we, little users say one little thing that could irritate him then we haven't any chance. I can understand such petitions posts are annoying BUT i made it by my own decision because that's what a friend should do. I think some diplomacy is also needed here to be a moderator
i have stayed polite ; i have asked nice questions ... so i don't deserve such behaviour according to me

this is too conclude on the current sentences of the faq but i think this point has now been corrected ... i saw it two days ago and today it seems to be changed.
it went about doujinshi : if your work is crap then it is removed
i'm thankful that this sentence has been corrected

well i have finished ; i must say i agree to rules ; but some changes are necessary.

thank you

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Keltosh Retired Moderator Inquisitor on hiatus

First, the faq and policy are being rewritten by me as of now. Refer to this thread http://forum.minitokyo.net/showthread/11458/. So I am sorry but any translation will have to wait.

As for susan, there are NO new rules. I'll never point out enough. Those walls should have been deleted a long while ago. Right now we just have time to delete the wallpapers that do not conform to those rules. And as for Susan, she was NOT banned because of the walllpapers, but because of the attitude and the threads she posted.

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streamside deranged.

erm... my first walls got deleted... and, yeah, well, i kinda agreed when Keltosh deleted my walls... i said it was fine, since i really WAS just starting out... and then another one was deleted... i really found [Bot]Chii's automated message insulting/offending... there was something in there like, she was saying, i only took 30 minutes to make that wall... it's discouraging...

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Quote by KeltoshFirst, the faq and policy are being rewritten by me as of now. Refer to
this thread http://forum.minitokyo.net/showthread/11458/. So I am sorry
but any translation will have to wait.
As for susan, there are NO new rules. I'll never point out enough.
Those walls should have been deleted a long while ago. Right now we
just have time to delete the wallpapers that do not conform to those
rules. And as for Susan, she was NOT banned because of the walllpapers,
but because of the attitude and the threads she posted.

ok i have posted my suggestions in this new thread. the first ones are important because some sentences can be interpreted weirdly ... logically , it's correct.

the last one is about susan i know ... i'm his friend and i want to understand clearly ... you explained me correctly. I understand better. I thought the source was the "bad quality" that's why i was bothered because banning for bad quality is strange and it doesn't state on the rules. That's why i thought there were new rules. I thank you for your diplomacy. My intention was to point out the notion of respect. I know those petitions thread are maybe annoying but i don't think we deserve those bad words made by jin. I have stayed polite and not aggressive. I have asked objective questions. And all i got is ignoring or insulting.
that's why i point the fact that mod have to be moderate in their opinion too ; as you are. Thanks to you, nuri and biriwilg who always are nice and diplomat i have more faith in minitokyo. I thought the freedom of speech was also banned here.
i hope you understand me :(

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Dec 31, 2004
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mechdan Quiet PC enthusiast

RyokoAekaAback1024

Quote by shinsengumi
Quote by biriwilgI just took a quick look at it right now, and the background looks really grainy and odd to me. Maybe that's intentional, but it doesn't look very good to me. :X
I have to agree here. I hate to say it, mechdan, but that doesn't seem to be a particularly good wallpaper by any kind of judgement.

Too grainy? Well, if so, then every one of my wallpapers should be deleted--they have similar background styles. It's the type of background which I like, and there are plenty of other backgrounds similar to it in the galleries.

I personally think backgrounds which are too busy are really ugly, and that most don't really fit the images or try to tell a story or anything. In this picture, I made effects to reflect the emotional auras of the two characters and their violent interaction. If you think you can acheive the same sort of effects in 5 minutes, go ahead and try.

At any rate, the ONLY feedback that I got from whoever deleted the image was the anonymous canned deletion message, leaving me to simply wonder what was supposedly wrong.

If there were a straightforward way to reply to whoever deemed the image unworthy, then I might have asked what the problem was. I wouldn't have changed my style of wallpaper or submitted anymore wallpapers, but I may have continued scanning images and submitting scans.

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Dec 31, 2004
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Riana Kaitou Ash

I'm just wondering who decides what is a "good" wall or not? I mean, are we going to let this community become only for the uber-elite wallers like KorganoS and such who can make their walls seem like CG? If so then count me out--I don't have that kind of time or skill level. But just because my walls aren't eye-opening doesn't mean they aren't good! And the same should go for the rest of us lower-level members. So what if I didn't use any filters on a wall...what if my concept was good, or the images conveyed good, or I did something interesting with the photographs/fonts? It just doesn't seem right to me that someone can arbitrarily start deleting walls as trash when art is supposed to be subjective by nature. I can understand deleting crappy/duplicate scans, but this is insane.

Also, if we're going to continue with this ludicrious manner, can we at least ask the mods to clarify their SPECIFIC reasons for deletion? If you're going to delete something, at least man up to say why.

Dec 31, 2004
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yen420 Sporadic Appearance

Just wondering about this thread...

Does this thread only allow members to vent or would there be any result? I mean, not to sound rude or anything, especially since I'm fairly new, but, this thread could go for like 200 or so and we'll still see the same old posts, or somewhat same. Any response from the mods? Well, aside from pointing members to a certain thread about a certain topic, that is, coz if that's the case then.... :sweat: I'm expecting to read a lot more from this thread :x

If anything, this thread sure is an eye opener of sort.

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Dec 31, 2004
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Quote by RianaI'm just wondering who decides what is a "good" wall or not? I mean,
are we going to let this community become only for the uber-elite
wallers like KorganoS and such who can make their walls seem like CG?
If so then count me out--I don't have that kind of time or skill level.
But just because my walls aren't eye-opening doesn't mean they aren't
good! And the same should go for the rest of us lower-level members. So
what if I didn't use any filters on a wall...what if my concept was
good, or the images conveyed good, or I did something interesting with
the photographs/fonts? It just doesn't seem right to me that someone
can arbitrarily start deleting walls as trash when art is supposed to
be subjective by nature. I can understand deleting crappy/duplicate
scans, but this is insane. Also, if we're going to continue with this
ludicrious manner, can we at least ask the mods to clarify their
SPECIFIC reasons for deletion? If you're going to delete something, at
least man up to say why.

there are some informations about deletion in that post made by keltosh :
http://forum.minitokyo.net/showthread/10833/

i think he is rewriting the faq and the support section including the deletion criteria too

i know it's hard to be deleted but we have to deal with it :(
i quote kel here :

Quote by keltoshthere are NO new rules. I'll never point out enough. Those walls should have been deleted a long while ago. Right now we just have time to delete the wallpapers that do not conform to those rules.

so the deletion of wall is not a new idea ... it was already stated a long time ago in the support section. it's just they have now time to delete.

Quote by support section
Moderators reserve the right to delete material that they deem inappropriate for the Minitokyo Galleries with or without deletion, even if that material conforms to this policy.
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All submitted material must have a certain degree of quality, which is unconditionally decided by the Gallery Directors. This does not include 'filter-whore' wallpapers, one-color or very simplistic wallpapers, or screenshots, modified or not.

i hope this helps and really encourage you to read the support section. You'll see nearly all problems are described there

edit : the previouses posts of this thread are also interesting litterature ^_^ you should take a look

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Dec 31, 2004
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lbbros Flame of Corruption

Nevertheless, I see this going towards "building an elite". Not very encouraging IMO.

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Keltosh Retired Moderator Inquisitor on hiatus

You are wrong, this is not meant to make Minitokyo an elitist site, just a site for dedicated wallpaper artists.
As a matter of fact effort is more important than quality. You might say that effort doesn't show, but it's not true. Take for example extraction with magic wand. That is clearly either lack of effort or lack of knowledge. I will agree that new members might be ignorant at first, but if you are willing to read tutorials and ask in forums you can easily learn that either pen tool or poligonal lasso are the way to go for extracting. Same for every other thing.

I'll say this again, and it will be in the upcoming FAQ. Quality is secondary, effort is more important . And the 4 basis of effort are

1) extraction
2) cleaning
3) layout (concept of the wallpaper)
4) background.

80% or more of the deleted walls are deleted for the top 3 reasons, not for the background. Or cause somebody didn't read the policy and, for example, used a screenshot or did a monocolor background wall . Or posted a cropped scan as a wall.

And also keep in mind that most ppl submit walls just to get to level 10. I'm not making any names but the effort rule was done, among other reasons , to keep leeching as low as possible... After all the hosting bills are payed with donations and such.

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Dec 31, 2004
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Blooming-Bunny

Quote by streamside i really found
[Bot]Chii's automated message insulting/offending... there was
something in there like, she was saying, i only took 30 minutes to make
that wall... it's discouraging...

The actual quote from Chi is

Quote: We only accept wallpapers where the members make a true effort to submit quality works for critiques and advice.

I agree. That is incredibly insulting. We may not have reached an uber skill level, but that doesn't mean that we're not making a true effort. You really ought to rethink the wording on that one.

Dec 31, 2004
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ilanka

While I'm not against deleting walls that are obviously level-fodder [ie, white background, screencap poorly extracted, one word in fuzzy red lettering, etc], I do take exception to the fact that all but one of my walls [I used to have 4] have been deleted for "quality" when they were made with crisp, clean images and well-extracted. No, they weren't amazing like those of the best artists here, but 2-7 hours had gone into each and I had worked hard to make them presentable.
I don't have time to wall anymore, those are the only ones of the quality I felt I could share I'd made. They weren't wonderful, but they were good, and I really don't think it was fair that they were deleted because they weren't of the top eschelon.
~a rather saddened by her deletion-Christmas presents Ila

[EDIT] - while surfing though the gallery, I noticed I had a hard time finding walls with actually-clad women on them. I also noticed a number of walls that don't meet those standards listed many times above [read: poorly extracted girl in front of obvious stock beach with black or white borders]. And yet mine:
Miyu - http://www.flamewalker.net/wallpaper/Miyu_1280x1024.jpg
Angel - http://www.flamewalker.net/wallpaper/angelcage_1280x1024.jpg
were deleted, when they took a fair bit of time [miyu especially was difficult, because of the original scan and in trying to choose the coloring style. Yes, I chose "sloppy lines" purposely].
Instead of finding an "improved" community as you'd expect with all the deleting of those pesky "sub-par" walls and scans, I find things like this:
http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/38622/ This is blurry, and I don't see how this could ever actually be used to make a wallpaper of any quality. [here's a challenge: Prove me wrong!] And yet, it remains. I'm far too tired to search the galleries for all the "sub-par" things that remain while others' walls that did take effort were deleted first. Let's just say, there's enough kiddy porn in the CCS scans section to keep any pedophile happy for quite some time.

Maybe if we want better quality wallpapers, we should start by weeding out all the blurry and completely inappropriate and offensive scans in the female scans section, that are largely screen caps from h-games. If you have good scans to start with, you can make good papers.

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Dec 31, 2004
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Blooming-Bunny

moved from another post since it was in the wrong place :sweat:

Well, Happy New Year. Logged in to find this message:

Quote: The wallpaper you have submitted was either too blurry, over filtered (i.e. an standard image or screencap with a few filters over it), or otherwise felt unsuitable. We only accept wallpapers where the members make a true effort to submit quality works for critiques and advice.

I was of course immediately disappointed, but I said, let me take a look at what is considered acceptable and see if I can make improvement to my own work for the next time. So I bop on over to the Seiyuu/J-pop/Idols area to look around, and I see this:

http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/52722/

I think it's a very nice wallpaper for Hikki fans, but it leaves me stumped as to why my olivia wallpaper was deleted. (My WP can still be seen here: http://olivia.celestialusagi.net/images/wp05B.jpg Part of it originated from this scan: http://dear.angel.free.fr/gallery/olivia/ol119.JPG )

The feedback I had received on the wall was positive, and looking at what you allowed to remain, I really don't understand why it fell under the ax. Clarification would be appreciated.

Dec 31, 2004
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sammo Retired Moderator Retired Moderator

Quote by lbbros
Quote by sammo
2. since when was being elite a bad thing? aren't we all striving forelitism?

Uhm... no?

if you spam again, it'll earn you a ban. im not quite sure why you wouldn't want elitism.

the way i see it, elitism is 2 seperate distinct defintion:
1. a system in which a group of highly recognized members preside over a community
2. the best or most skilled members of a group

if you think MT is going toward the 1st classification, then you're too late; we already have. the whole moderator system is based on elitism. in fact, almost every community on the internet is based on that system, so the whole 'notion' of MT becoming elitism should be accepted, because we're not the only exclusive website that promote it. also, if we were really going for elitism among artists, we would've deleted all of the gallery item submitted by the "lesser" artist now, wouldn't we? that's precisely the point; we're not targeting just one specific person; we're viewing each individual gallery regardless of who the user is. there's no discrimination among users whatsoever. good works get faved, works that show effort stay, walls that do not fit the criteria gets deleted. what we're doing is not mind-boggling.

if you're referring to 2nd classification, then wow. why are you here? isn't our goal to be the best in the first place so that your expression is accepted more widely? the whole comment/favorite system exists only to make you elite, so you can receive critiques on how to improve.

at first, it may seem hypocritical of us to delete wallpapers when people are trying to improve, but i assure you, that is not the case. we moderators, who have exposed ourselves to graphics for several years, can tell when someone has put effort in a wall or not. if people continue cluttering MT with effortless work, then it's just a waste of bandwidth and space, with their motivation on doing so based on level system so they can leech and furthure screw us up more. a white bg with an extracted character is not good enough. a wall with zoom layer and extracted character is not good enough. that's the basis of our premesis.

but then again, i was talking about elitism to be hypothetical. i dont even see how elitism really tie in with the quality check we're giving MT. we are doing what we feel is best for the improvement of the community; if you dont like our method, im sorry, but we really won't be losing much for not having you here.

all we ask is that people spend atleast 2-3 hours on a wall. im sure the results would show, and people are gonna get better.

Dec 31, 2004
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Bot-Chii Divine Executioner

your walls are deleted. big deal. hit the road, jack :\
some of the works i see posted on MT...wow, some people deserve a smack on the head. i've never walled but im sure i could do a lot better than that load of bs.

do some of you even know the prequisite of submitting a wall on to this site? i will promise that i won't delete your entries EVER again if you can name 3 on the top of your head. that's right, no one reads them, and then they come crying to me about it.

Dec 31, 2004
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Riana Kaitou Ash

Quote: we moderators, who have exposed ourselves to graphics for several years, can tell when someone has put effort in a wall or not.

That's the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. I can't believe you'd actually say that. Who gives a frig if you've been "exposed" to stuff for years that doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Anyone can be "exposed" to something. Big deal.

Quote: your walls are deleted. big deal. hit the road, jack

Wow, you moderators really are something else. I can't believe you'd have such a rotten attitude and claim to actually care about this site. I thought mods were supposed to take care of the community, not drive people away from their high horse.

Well guess what? Don't bother banning me, I'm never coming back after this crap. You claim to be a "community" but your ideal is just a bunch of snotty eltists who can't stand to be bothered by the fact someone might actually, gasp, have a different idea of art than you do. Bah, good riddance to all of you.

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sammo Retired Moderator Retired Moderator

Quote by Riana
Quote: we moderators, who have exposed ourselves to graphics for several years, can tell when someone has put effort in a wall or not.

That's the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. I can't believe you'd actually say that. Who gives a frig if you've been "exposed" to stuff for years that doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Anyone can be "exposed" to something. Big deal.

and THAT is the biggest bull we've ever heard. its like saying a jewlery salesman can't find out how much a piece of jewlery is worth. and you know what? it doesn't even matter what we're exposed to, like you said, because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out when someone did or didn't try on a wall. when i was referring to exposure, i was referring to experience with graphics, but i guess you didnt' catch my connotation. if someone can't even take the time to extract a character right, clean out some artifact, or even spend more than 30 minutes on a wall, then that's not showing much dedication at all. often times, i see people complain "well, i spent over 2 hours doing this wall!" don't make me laugh. most of the people that are truly dedicated to their arts spend atleast a day on it.

in reality, if you truly spent some time on your wall, you really shouldn't have anything to fear, do you? if it's still deleted, it's really not the end of the world. come to the moderators and tell us about it. we'll resolve it, ok?

and wow. i guess you didn't even read the basis of how we decide what to delete.
excerpt from the faq (which im sure you didn't read):
2) The wallpaper must have a minimum level of quality AND of effort. Quality means no blurry or excessively pixellated works, and a somewhat decent layout. Effort means you must have worked on it. And trust me, it's easy to see when a wallpaper was done in 30 minutes. Simplicity has its beauty.. but a character pasted over a white canvas, or over a gradient colored canvas, or over another character face enlarged and blurred is not enough. Nor a wallpaper when you just smartly added some pre-made effects from the photoshop library.

our judgements based on:
How is quality and effort judged for wallpapers?
1) Extraction. The act of taking a character out of a scan to put in your wallpaper. Poligonal lasso or pen tool + at least 500% zoom is your friend if well done, while magic wand generally makes for so-so walls
2) Cleaning. If the scan is grainy or contanins other artifacts, cleaning the image is an important point
3) Layout. A decent composition is important. A thought out wallpapers is certainly more appealing and represent a higher level of quality/effort
4) Quality and effort in designing the background

NEVER have we EVER deleted something just because it was not OUR idea of a beautiful work. we delete them because they simply show no work. BIG DIFFERENCE. if you had read the policy in the place, i guess you really wouldn't had to have join this awful community filled with "bunch of snotty eltist." it's always been the rule, and it'll always be so. if we thought different was not beautiful, i'm sure we'd be deleting 2/3 of the gallery!

you guys just wont read. we're even not basing your work on OUR judgement 100% in the first place! we're using the guidelines that ive just provided above to decide whether or not the wallpaper is sufficient or not, and i think the guidelines are VERY logical.

also, thanks for totally not understanding/acknowledging what i have just wrote about elitism.

Dec 31, 2004
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JudgementAngel Tsukiakari Zetsumei

Hmm, I see why this would be on of the regulations.

But, I myself just had a wallpaper deleted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to bitch about it. I simply want to say that I can tell why others would do so.

When a person reads that their wall has been removed because of lack of quality, or originality(I know it's not said, but to me it is implied) this person has a right to be at least offended. I say this because I can honestly say that I worked hard on both my submissions, and that when I read the message I felt that way.

Some choose to rant and rave about it without thinking it through, and I wouldn't blame all of them. I really don't want to get into this much. But I'll simply say this: I don't exactly agree with this regulation, but I understand why it is needed. There are strong points that back it up, and it leaves little room for ranting without sounding like an immature child. I suggest to those that do: To cope with it, like I did. As offended as you might be, there isn't much you can do but try again.

Dec 31, 2004
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silvernight

Personally I could give a shit whether or not my walls were deleted or what the mods think of them. The thing I don't like is this automated message that gives you no reason why the mod decided to delete it. A few of my friends had their wallpapers deleted some of which I thought were pretty good and have no clue why they got removed.

Dec 31, 2004
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lbbros Flame of Corruption

Quote by sammoUhm... no?if you spam again, it'll earn you a ban. im
not quite sure why you wouldn't want elitism.

All right then, last post on the matter where I'll wrap it up.

Quote: the way i see it, elitism is 2 seperate distinct defintion:
1. a system in which a group of highly recognized members preside over
a community
2. the best or most skilled members of a group

I refer to the definition of the dictionary:

"The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources."

(The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

I've seen (but never participated in) other communities like MT, and I saw those "signs", as I called them. There might be no real intention behind them, but as I can't really go inside the minds of the people to find out, and I have to limit myself to what is said.

Quote: in fact, almost every community on the internet is based on that
system, so the whole 'notion' of MT becoming elitism should be
accepted, because we're not the only exclusive website that promote it.

That's why I think most communities on the Internet aren't worth much.... but I digress. The only succesful community I know, the f/loss community, is for sure based on a certain level of "skill", but it's different. You can tell when code is bad quality, or when it's not, because it's something deterministic. In what we might, for the moment, call "visual arts" there's a high degree of subjectivity within a certain threshold. (e.g. you can tell if a scan is bad or not if it has moire', or folds, or the like, but you can't tell anything objective about a subject of a drawing)
And I realize my comparison is wrong, as that other community is more about collaborative work and less hierarchy (though luckily, it's not anarchy).
What's my point? The risk is that a "cultural elite" will form and everything outside such elite will be disregarded. Note that I'm not speaking about moderators but about users. Would such a community be healthy? No, IMO.

Quote: who the user is. there's no discrimination among users whatsoever. good
works get faved, works that show effort stay, walls that do not fit the
criteria gets deleted. what we're doing is not mind-boggling.

I never talked about discrimination. Applying a definition such as the one I provided might target everyone as well.

Quote: if you're referring to 2nd classification, then wow. why are you here?

Soon after I joined I thought I had some scans I could share. That's about it. When news about the rules came out (a few months ago) I found myself in disagreement, and so I stopped posting. I might browse the gallery regularly, but I don't consider myself a leecher.

Quote: isn't our goal to be the best in the first place so that your
expression is accepted more widely? the whole comment/favorite system
exists only to make you elite, so you can receive critiques on how to
improve.

I'll be blunt here... others might like the favorite/comment system but I don't mind it completely. If people want to comment and or decide it's good, their opinion. I made the move by sharing.
Personally I wanted a friendly community, regardless if it was the best or not. Being "elite"? Mah, I'm fine as I stand, thank you.

Quote: at first, it may seem hypocritical of us to delete wallpapers when
people are trying to improve, but i assure you, that is not the case.

I was more into the scan issue, although I admit the bot message is excessively blunt and quite discouraging. I speak in general, because some care about those messages, some don't (I don't).

Quote: we moderators, who have exposed ourselves to graphics for several
years, can tell when someone has put effort in a wall or not.

That may be true. However the way it's put out by the bot is, I say, inappropriate.

Quote: but then again, i was talking about elitism to be hypothetical. i dont
even see how elitism really tie in with the quality check we're giving

It's not about the quality, but about the attitude (some posts, no matter how true they might be, will sound like that). Plus there are some quirks. Like I said in the other thread.... some scans subjects clash with the "clean place" statement.

Quote: community; if you dont like our method, im sorry, but we really won't
be losing much for not having you here.

Well... for me, it means less work to do. I can understand myself working a lot on a scan if it serves me a purpose... but if I have to work 3-4 hours to clean just to meet "quality standards", then no thanks. It'd sound more like a job than a hobby.

Quote: im sure the results would show, and people
are gonna get better.

Possibly, but most likely elsewhere than MT.

On a more lighter side, happy new year.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incapable." - Salvor Hardin
I belong to no group.

Dec 31, 2004
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sammo Retired Moderator Retired Moderator

"The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources."

>what's really the difference between the definition that i provided and yours, besides the fact that mine's been altered to fit the description of this community? i'm also quite not sure what you mean by the "sign" nor the purpose of that sentence.

>what's a f/loss community? i'd also have to disagree about the lack of objectivity in visual arts. there are myriad of style that one can utilize, along with color, tone, shape, and such, which can all be interpreted as being objective. what people perceive from a work is considered subjective, kind of like poetry. the point i was making is that no matter what community you go to, there's going to be a sense of elitism. you can fight it all you want, but it's just the way it is. the elitism derives primarily on person's popularity or talent (hopefully talent, which can be earned thru hardwork, is the focal point of this argument on why the community is cleaning up it's walls that it deems insufficient in quality.).

I was more into the scan issue, although I admit the bot message is excessively blunt and quite discouraging. I speak in general, because some care about those messages, some don't (I don't).

>but the thing is, we're not discussing scans. we're discussing deletion of wallpapers. also, like i said, if you feel there's truly something amiss in our judgment or you didn't quite understand the automated message, please contact your moderator, who will point out its faults (if there are any, that is).

That may be true. However the way it's put out by the bot is, I say, inappropriate.

>if you believe taht a submission was wrongfully deleted, you can pm the mod and we'll gladly straighten out the problem.

>when we're deleting this, we're being pretty non-sentimental. instead, we're pretty objective and look at only the facts: does this fit the criteria or not? it has nothing to do with attitude, it's just what we do to keep the place clean for everyone else.

>yes. if the quality of scan (which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread) is below the quality, please do not submit, unless you want to utilize your time by cleaning it. in no way are we forcing you to make your habit into a job, and we certainly wouldn't want to do that.

Possibly, but most likely elsewhere than MT.
>what? are you saying MT is not a place to improve? i'm sorry if you feel that way, but you're using a very small amount of counterexample users, compare to the mass of users who give out good critiques to people who spent admirable effort in there wall.

allow me to reiterate myself. we delete things according to the given prequisite of the submission guideline.

Jan 01, 2005
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wuschel wollknoll

Gosh i thought i would never seen some stupid or that illogical posts in my life but well i guess i was wrong. I dont want to insult someone with my post but i think u should get some brain before posting that shit what the most post. Why the hell are u whining and complaining about ur work got deleted?
If something was deleted there is a reason and u should search for the reason and the fault and i dont really think that its a "moderator" fault. There where rules and this rules where there before u even joined so why now whining and flaming? Read the fuckin rules it will help u a lot. And if YOU dont like rules there where there from the begining of this community just dont join. Hell is that hard? U are saying that BotChii is insulting you? Oh poor guys, i think u even didnt spend on other wallpaper communitys like... they will not be nice like chii. they will just say that u suck and ur wall too. See i just dont get u people. so its being elitist that bad? Dont we want to be good? Is it a crime? Well if its a crime to reach a elitist group than damn someone should shot me now and here.

If you are making wallpaper its a hobby but like all hobbys u want to put the most efort to make it look good and to be satisfied. Please dont tell me that in 1hour u could do a good or great wall. Thats just wrong, horrible wrong. Its not that hard to get better and to improve. i've been on mt since 43 weeks. when kev showed me this page i was a totall noob. but if u really love to make wallpapers (and thats what u need to make good wallpapers) u will try ur best u will learn from others and u will just see and look other walls and catch some techniques. I dont have learned to make wallpapers just by making 20 crapy walls in 1month. It maybe took me more then a week to make one but i was proud of it, cause i really put my effort into it. So if u are just to lazy to clean a stupid scan dont even try to make a wall. Wallpaper is art not copy and past. I ever thought since i joined that MT is a place where u can get high quality walls and high quality scans. To learn from another artist to improve just to like them.

And before u all just get on the flame modus and ur whining/flaming stuff are made again. Think about one stuff: How would it feel if you spend more then 1 week on one wall getting ur ass off trying your best. And a nother crapy wall that got made in less then 2 hours gets all the "omg!!!! +fav" comments? So is that fair? I think no. People should just fav if the wall is really good not just because it good big boobs or the wall that was made is from your friend. U will never learn from favs but from real critic and real comments.

Gesh u are all like little kids. If you dont get what u want u just wont stop whining to you get it. If its said NO its No so just stop it and if you dont like it well search for another comm.

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Jan 01, 2005
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