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I feel the pain guys...but what can you do? If you're a nice person, then you're compelled to be nice right? Sooner or later a girl will come along for us right?? Right???!!!
Keep on truckin....
then again, you may just want to read my signature before taking me seriously ;)
"Don't look at me, I'm just a shark..."
hahahaha
i suppose i can't respond to this "rag" since im not a nice guy.
adieu
Quote by TranceAionSo in the end, maybe
we don't finish as low a rank as we think. But then again, who knows.
*refill please.*
Mordin, great thread, and don't worry; when you're actually a nice guy,
you surely won't get bashed =)
**Clinks with her wine glass** TranceAion, I salute you too. You are definitely a nice guy in my books. **Raises her cup** To you and Mordin, and shinsengumi as well - to the nice guys!! lol
You too, Norimune. ROFL - Unless you want to restate your case. **Snickers**
"No matter where you go, no matter how tough life may be, just remember that always in your heart, you will still be loved."
oh boy... heavy subject! I was that person, mordin. All thru school I was pushed around by the guys and snubbed by the
girls. I wasn't hideous or anything like that. I just lacked some social skills. as I got older and moved away from
home I started to learn those things.
As a senior in high school, I had become a bit more popular( no small task) and I even started dating!
In my lifetime I've been with 17 ladies. They had all been relationships,not one night stands. The last one I
married and am still with.We have 2 girls of our own now.
so, don't give up. Work on your self and the girls will eventually notice.
On leathern wings and with fiery breath, I descend upon you!
*Drinks on the House everyone* Wow I really like the out pour respond to my little rant. I hear you guys, well I am going to tried my best, and I wish us all luck. :)
Quote by DREAMi suppose i can't respond to this "rag" since im not a nice guy.
adieu
I guess what DarkMaiden said was true after all. ;) Very interesting. :D
Thank you einna for the siggy :)
~The wandering forumer~
Quote by MordinAfter some good talk with Cy, I wanted to make a thread that is just
for the nice guys. Now this is going to be my rant so pardon me if I
generalize my point and sound really ignorant. :) Here it goes: Guys we
have suffer a lot through the years, and we get no love at all. The MT
girls are pretty cool about nice guys, but in our offline world things
aren't so nice for some of us. It is hard to be a nice guy when so many
things go against us, because we don't stand out. We don't get reward
for our kindness or generosity. I am getting tired of seeing nice guys
finishing last. I know this one guy, handsome looking fellow if you are
a girl, he has a reputation with the ladies, because somehow the ladies
couldn't resist him. He is a real sleazebag to me personally, because
he dupes the girls into thinking he likes them, and he turns around
leaves them when he got what he wanted from them. The girls gets heart
borken, and this creep keeps luring the girls into his trap. I can't
understand at all, of course the fact this creep has an outgoing
personality and is very smooth talker helps his cause a lot. But this
just makes me mad, are girls this dumb to fall for such lousy guy who
is just a pretender. :angry:
There are a lot nice guys out there that just gets overlook because
they couldn't be charismatic, but it doesn't mean they should be look
over by the ladies compare to the guys that are smooth. Just because we
don't have the right line doesn't mean we aren't good enough for some
of you girls. :)
Now rant over, bash me if you like, or support my props to the nice
guys, either way i am happy to get this out. :D
I couldn't agree with you more on this one . I feel you on this all the way. Me and my friends were talking about
oomething related to this recently also.
Having no luck with girls, and being a nice guy always, any girls i told i liked either stopped being my friends or freaked out and ranted on how i was ugly. Granted, i'm not Built, but i do look better then most.
Blah.... i have nothing intelligent to add to this......now i feel really stupid. I wish my ability to express what i wanted to say in words was better then this :P
~The wandering forumer~
I've gone too wayyyyy to many forums in my young life. Some i'll stay at longer then others, some i'll
never return too....i just like to leave my mark in some way before i go ;)
Searching for friends!
i always make a point to send this to my guy friends, because they're all nice guys and i know the right person is out there for them. (sry it's kinda long, but it seems appropriate based on the thread subject)
Ode to the Nice Guys
This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.
This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.
This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious� between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!� And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.
The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date� or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me� or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!� or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.� Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.
So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
*Solemnly empties his glass on the ground in mourning*
lol - the tough thing to realize is that despite all this discussion about the nice guys, once you get a glimpse back at reality, it's eventually going to go back to normal - to being mistreated once again, taken advantage of dearly by those oh so-merciless people, and the works. Oh well. C'est la vie.
"No matter where you go, no matter how tough life may be, just remember that always in your heart, you will still be loved."
hey Mordin, sorry it took me a while to post in your thread... still hope you're not mad at me T_T...well, at least, you know that even as a girl, i know how you feel, really ^^ it feels good to let it out, doesn't it?
i guess, it doesn't matter what sex we belong to, it happens all the time, justice doesn't exist, and those who are not afraid to take what they want, even if they do it shamelessly, always seem to get more... this thing that society has for appearance doesn't help... but i know you're really nice, smart and wise... everyone here on Mt knows that, and tell yourself that if girls don't take you for who you are, then they're just not worth it... ^^
that guy you were talking about should really get his ass kicked for taking advantage of girls that way... then again the girls aren,t exactly any smarter for letting him play with them... bad, really bad... well, i say that,, but there are chances i might get trapped by one of those guys, not because i'm interested in them, but because i'm a way too naive for my own sake... it's sad to admit, but that's how i am... i can't deny it ^^
and, honestly, like winterlilac said, i feel ashamed of some girls attitude towards guys, just as i'm sure you're ashamed of some guys as well... no one who has an ounce of respect for others would manipulate others and make them suffer... but, some people are just bad in that way...
anyways, i'm sure you'll eventually find a really nice girl for you who'll see what you're really
worth... you sure deserve it... patience... the day will come when your kindness will be rewarded ^^
you know what ticks me off?... guys who complain... just get over it... don't get me wrong, i'm not one of those "sleezebags"... but i'm not that nice of a guy either... i just "live and let die"
~abashed, the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is~
Note to all nice guys: keep it up, and don't lose hope! There are girls out there who will (or maybe secretly do)
appreciate you. I know that I prefer the "nice guy" type, even if just as friends (guys tend to not view me
in a romantic way...don't know that I can blame them). Anyway, nice guys are the best...it impresses me when a guy
who knows how to treat a girl and make her feel special, all the while being respectful towards her. So many guys could
take lessons from that kind of behavior...very few things tick me off more than seeing a sweet girl being manipulated or
belittled by someone who is labeled as "better" than them by society.
It goes the other way, too...I hate seeing nice guys being manipulated by scheming girls...it's rather annoying,
because if a girl is like that, she often doesn't deserve such a guy. Girls can be truly terrible and judgmental,
and that kind of girl shames me. I've made up my mind that I don't want to be that kind of person, because
I've seen what it can do to people.
Wow, I didn't intend for this to be so long...sorry! Basically, I agree with Celessa and Ayamael. And I applaud
fireflywishes' ode to nice guys (even though it was a little long), and drink to her toast *toasts a glass of
water*. For all the nice guys who read my ramblings, I (and other girls who've posted) appreciate you, even if not
many others do!
"If you always do what you've always done, you'll always be what you've always been." ~
Anonymous
Just a little note. My link on the first page is the exact same thing fireflywishes' put =P. Just to let everyone know. This is far too true and I'm glad that people out there understand that.
Oh by the way, when I raised my glass to toast, it wasn't wine, it was whatever you wanted it to be =D. It was just a toast to those nice guys AND girls out there who are just simply amazing and yet get screwed over by far too much.
Winter : You make a very good point and its far too true, there are many guys that also are like that with girls except guys can be sleezy as well. Either or its so nice to know that theres wonderful people out there that exist that are so nice and kind like you and everyone else.
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yay!! nice guys!! don't we love them all?? *don't worry, you can tell me about it, i'll be here listening* geez, don't know bout you guys, but i'm getting sick and tired of saying that line. really, i am still in awe at the ability for girls to pour their hearts out at you because they broke up one night, and less then 8 hours later, when you meet them, they totally ignore you and act as if you weren't there for hours making them feel better. funny thing is that a week later, they're back checking out hot guys on the train.... i really think that nice guys are just tools you can use when you're depressed, because they are like molds of putty, you can squeeze them, play with them, and dispose of them when done.
Disturbs me that being nice requires so much effort. My friends says i'm all this and that, (nice, cheerful, patient) and push me around, i really can't fight back can i? coz if i do, then i'm no longer nice am i?? I really don't want to be a nice guy, but i can't help it if i have manners, patience and loyality drilled into me at a young age..... oh well better stop bragging, i got to do my homework so i can help my friends later, *sigh* *oh sorry, i don't drink alcohol, going to wait till i get totally stressed before i get drunk* *raises glass of soft drink in a wine glass ^^* cheers nice guys, there's plenty of you around, have patience and if you whinge enough, someone will care, i think. ;)
~anime is my food~
Nice guys: just remember - if the girl doesn't want you as a boyfriend because you're nice, you don't want her as a girlfriend. Really, you don't.
You see, I used to be one of those girls. *dodges bottles of whatever it is that everyone's been drinking* ^_^'
It seems really irrational to me now, but I'm in a much more stable state of mind than I was in years past. I think it may well be desperation at the core that drives girls to become ensnared by nothing more than a hot body and a handsome face that speaks pretty words lacking substance or sincerity. And it's low self-esteem that keeps them trapped. Sometimes, girls put up with guys who treat them like crap because they think that's the best that they deserve.
Right now, I've been dating the nicest guy I've ever met for almost a year. (yay! *squee!* :) ) He said he's been interested in me since we met in fencing club eight years ago. Every time I think about that, I want to kick myself in the head for not realizing that he is the Very Best Boyfriend Ever sooner. ~_~ That was so my fault. (In my defense, I must admit that he's really shy until you corner him and get him to talk.) We finally hooked up because we started spending a lot of time together watching anime, actually. :)
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Hi Mordin, if you don't mind I'd like to give my opinion on the situation. To tell you the truth real nice guys are in trouble. I say this because you have jerks posing as nice guys. The are pretending to be nice but eventually their true colors show. Girls then think that all guys are jerks. Now I know that some people think girls are just being stupid for falling into the traps of these pretend nice guys, but its hard when guys have managed to get their act down to a science. They say the sweetests things and do the nicest stuff in the beginning. When that facade eventually comes off we realize we were just duped by a complete idiot. So then you have girls like me WHO truly WANT A NICE GUY but are afriad of being made a fool of again and would rather be single than hurt. I want someone who is going to always be there for me, cares about how I feel and will let me love them and not just physically (that really pisses me off!). I'm tired of just having a one sided relationship. Anyway, that's what I think. Maybe all you nice guys out there should start kicking the butts of all the jerks that are pretending to be like you. They are truly ruining your reputations.
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Most people don't understant me as I don't like being in the spotlight and at the centre of attention but prefer to stand back away from the croud on my own and don't like conversing with people I am not familiar with and as such have been labelled as a stupid and ant-social person(pretty stupid considering the people who say it are all dumb ****holes) I find that the best way to describe myself would be by saying this "My heart lies in darkness because darkness lies in my heart" I've spent most of my life alone in the darkness away from everybody else for so long that in no longer bothers me to be there so I just stay where I am if people really do care about me then they will come to me I will not come to them. I hate all the ***holes who see women and girls as just a piece of fun and nothing serious but yet have also hardly felt love myself
Time is wriitten on the wind Fate is not carved in sheets of stone these are the words that I have heard~gasaraki
I lie in darkness because darkness lies in me
Mordin, sadly, most girls reeeally are that dumb. They want the here and now, because they don't really want to try
for much more. Which, in fact, is just like a great deal of guys picking the "fast" girls, the sluts, over a
girl you could "take home to Mom." -_- It's truly horrible of them to be so closed-minded, short-sighted,
and overall shallow!! >_<
Quote by CyanideBlizzardIts really sad because that article is a truth to the point of where I
literally could cry. Its that sad. Though this isn't saying that this
applies to all girls. It has been stated before and I can prove for a
fact (because I'm with a wonderful girl myself) that all girls aren't
like this and in fact can be proven that nice girls can finish last
too. Just that nice guys seem to get the short end of the far too
often, but we all get the short end of the stick, though I personally
disagree with what the main factor of the story is sex. I'd stray from
that myself. After all, were not nice just to get in your pants. Were
nice because thats who we are, nothing more or nothing less.
*raises a glass* I give a toast to all you gents out there who hold the
door open for ladies, who know your manners and who can be yourself
while doing so. Be proud of who you are, because you really should be.
Keep on being nice because someday it will pay off.
I toast as well, because I'm a "nice girl". >_< It is pathetic that just because you're more than someone may be able to handle, they overlook you. I get overlooked as "one of the guys" because I have more male friends and understand them better than most girls do. -_- It's also annoying because some of my friends will flirt madly, but then insist they only want friendship..
Quote by winterlilac09
First things first, I can completely agree with you guys that it seems
I'll admit, truthfully and shamefully, to the reason why these guys
always do finish last and that's because most girls now are , in
fact, bitches. I'll say that without any sympathy to anyone of my
gender and I can also honestly say, screw the female population
for not even considering giving these wonderful guys a chance. Girls
now are so completely shallow, it's pathetic. In middle school, you
will see girls walking around dressed like sluts and groveling at any
guy who looks "hot." Either that, or they toy with as many guys
as they can until the guys realize that they are being toyed with. It's
pathetic to watch and it really pains me to be a girl as so many of my
sex will sink down to that level. Additionally, even if there are some
jerks out there who are more outgoing than the sweet and shy caring
guys, that gives a girl absolutely no right to fawn over him
instead. Please, I still cannot see how and why girls will go
for a guy with money even though he treats her like fucking dirt. It's
horrible and I wish I could say I could feel for all you guys out there
who deserve a girl but are single because of this. I know all fo you
guys will find someone special eventually, because if even one of you
guys don't then this world truly is much too cruel and unjust.
I'm in utter agreement with
ya, Winterlilac!! XP That's another reason why I don't have that many female friends. They're horribly
ugly girls inside, in general, despite their apperances. -_-
Quote by Kumiko-HTo tell you the truth real nice guys are in trouble. I say
this because you have jerks posing as nice guys. The are pretending to
be nice but eventually their true colors show. Girls then think that
all guys are jerks. They say the sweetests things and do the nicest stuff in the beginning.
When that facade eventually comes off we realize we were just duped by
a complete idiot. Maybe all you nice guys out there should start kicking the butts of all the jerks that are pretending to be like you. They are truly ruining your reputations.
Exactly!! That's the other reason some girls appear stupid is because we go for the guys who truly seem to be nice guys. They don't realize until after they've been duped that the guys was just faking it.
Anway, I'm the silly kinda girl who pays attention to the little things. That tends to get me in trouble, because I
open my big mouth for paying attention.. >_<
But, from doing that and a lot of people watching, I know I'd much rather
have a great guy who would treat me properly, but whom I could also have fun
with ;) , than some flirt who thinks he's a "hot-shot." :)
i' ve those kinda guys as friends, but won't take it further, because
they could flip-out and pick up some "pretty, little thing" like that! I want no part of that. Besides, I think it's wonderfully cute when a guy
gets shy...! ^//^
Someday, I think most of us (trying not to generalize too much) will find that person we look for in other people. I truly hope so, because....we deserve it far too much to never recieve even a glimpse. (That was a confusing sentence... o_O )
So, once again I toast my glass to all of us who are supposed to finish last! (Hey,.. that rhymed!! XD )
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Ok I know I'm not a nice guy but
I think you nice guy need to learn be less shy and talk out.
It not that the girls don't like you but you just don't stand out.
Then if you don't stand out people will not notice you.
Stop talking and do something about it if you don't like some thing
or you could just blame yourself all your life
just because you don't have the guts to speak up for yourself.
Everyone have the possibility to be something :) all you need to do is let it out.
Blame, blame, blame, blame and that all you people do -_-' *sign*
I try to be the niceguy but latley it's gotten me nothing but misery. I thought it was worthwhile to be the niceguy when i went out with this girl who was everything i had hoped for but she virtually dumped me on Valentines Day... which was also the day my great grandmother died.
I'm currently questioning if i can continue being a nice guy but i probably will do anyway. Just had to get that off my chest heh...
I definitely agree. Well I am also one of the nice guys, I am very kind and generous. What I get for being nice? Really nothing. It's very sad. Nobody is interested in us. Sometimes I envy .... I want to become one of the cool guys, who can "have" any girl. Whatever I am happy, even though I am not the most popular boy in the class.
Now I see there couple of stranglers that doesn't seem to want to understand or try to understand people that are different. Forgive me if I am going to raise my voice and sound like a jerk. :angry:
Quote by loner7148you know what ticks me off?... guys who complain... just get over it...
don't get me wrong, i'm not one of those "sleezebags"... but i'm not
that nice of a guy either... i just "live and let die"
You know what tick me off?... guys that just think they know everything without trying to understand from other
people's persepctive...get a clue... don't get me wrong, I am not a super nice guy.... I will get into
people's face if I see there is a wrong. I just "Like to bash people that are insenstive to others who is
different from them." :)
Quote by gundragonOk I know I'm not a nice guy but
I think you nice guy need to learn be less shy and talk out.
It not that the girls don't like you but you just don't stand out.
Then if you don't stand out people will not notice you.
Stop talking and do something about it if you don't like some thing
or you could just blame yourself all your life
just because you don't have the guts to speak up for yourself.
Everyone have the possibility to be something :) all you need to do is let it out.
Ok I really take issue with what you just said. Some people are introverts, that means it isn't natural for them
to be very open and free style in front of others. What you just said it is very ignorant and very naive, because you
just assume it is these guys' fault that they didn't get attention and everyone should have the same
perspective as you.
People react to different things differently, and your standard shouldn't apply to everyone else. You are
suggesting that in order for nice guys to be notices, they need to become frat boys, and really outgoing. By saying
such things, you just alienated a lot of people that doesn't fit that mold. It is sad when I hear people say that
one need to fit certain mold to have happiness as a person, so in your mind, shy and senstive guys has no place in this
world huh. It infuriated me when you said "you could just blame yourself all your life
just because you don't have the guts to speak up for yourself." Since when it is acceptable that we only
reward aggressive and outgoing guys, but not the timid and shy guys. And it always comes down to that stupid male macho
attitude again. We need guts to speak up to be notices, and we need stand out with our male charm huh as you said.
Since when it is acceptable to be like that, and not acceptable to be nice guy that are a bit timid. I find this fault
in society very unsettling, because we are basicly telling people that doesn't fit a certain mod should take a hike
or give up their own personality. I believe other people should have the kindness in their heart to understand what
other people's good qualities are before making a bias judgement. I am sick and tired of people judging others
before they tried to see the point of the others.
Nobody is a loser here, they are just different. And you shouldn't make other people feel bad about their personality, since they are already catching crap from the ignorant bastard around them. It doesn't help their self respect to hear from someone that doesn't relate to them. I just think it is very easy to say what you just said without giving any understand of the circumstance some of these guys are going through in their surroundings.
Quote: Blame, blame, blame, blame and that all you people do -_-' *sign*
Accuse, accuse, accuse, that is ALL YOU people ever do huh, "sigh" it sure it is easy to pick on somebody that
doesn't fit into your kind of a mold huh :angry: I hope you don't sound as ignorant offline as you are
online. :) I am sorry that I sound like a total jerk to you, but when I read those words, it just remind me of a jock
in high school that always picking on someone that doesn't think like he does, we wouldn't have to blame
anything if the society around us have even reach a hand out to us.
Thank you einna for the siggy :)
aight man, quit begging MT guys. Lol, just kidding, I've got the reputation of a nice guy too, so I feel you. Thing is, as men, we never really know what the hell girls want, so I leave that stuff at that. Its either they like you or you don't, can't change the way people think aboot nice guys. Besides, they may finish last, but who's to say they don't finish the best? nyahaha!
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