What Do You Think of Your Country's Health Care System?

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Ayamael

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Well, weird and serious thread subject i guess... and i don't think i've seen this one before either... i searched a little too... but if i'm wrong, just tell me ^^

Ok, i'm starting this thread coz' i got some bad news this morning and it inspired me for this subject... I must say here in Canada, well, in Quebec at least, it's a very hot topic, it has been one for quite a while too...

I'll start with my bad news i guess: my grand-mother fell down and broke 2 ribs during the night, and my mother is mad because the hospital won't keep her for a while even though she basically can't move anymore... plus, my grand-mother lives alone, so now, she has to go to my uncle's house... my uncle, who himself just broke ribs after falling a few weeks ago (see the irony here ~_~) and was also sent home, dizzy from all the drugs they gave him, right after the accident... Exactly the same thing happens when you get a surgery actually, they send you home almost as soon as you wake up... ~_~

all this to say our health care system here in Quebec sucks (and it seems to be the same all over Canada from what i see in the news)... there isn't enough places in hospitals, not enough nurses, not enough doctors... and when the doctors should be busy saving lives, they are instead buried under a lot of paper work... that's without counting the side issues we hear about in the news: our hospitals aren't as clean as they should be... the mistakes done because the doctors/nurses are tired from working overtime and so on...

now, i know the system here in Quebec isn't all bad... here getting healthcare is almost free because our government pays for most of it... and... erm okay, right now it's the only advantage i'm finding <_< loll maybe i'll find something else later ^^

anyways, i was wondering what were your opinions about your health care system... and i'm also curious to know how different it is in other countries (provinces if you're from Canada ^^), its ups and downs and so on...

Holt

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In the UK we're meant to have the NHS which provides free healthcare but like all government provided services, it lacks innnovation and doesn't encourage very hard working doctors and nurses.
I haven't needed to see any doctors since I moved here so I don't know what it's actually like but I hear things on the news about people having to wait ages to be treated due to long waiting lists and then being delayed for the more critical patients. That's completely understandable since people with critical injuries ought to be seen to first but now it's turned into a battle between government parties trying to use the patients' situations to their advantage.
That's politics for you :sweat:

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Scarlet

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Heh, I'm from Montreal, so I have to agree with Ayamael. The problem is that hospitals don't have enough space, from what I saw, at least. My mom had to have an operation a couple of years ago, and right before it, she was basically lying in the hospital's corridor, because they didn't have enough rooms! And from what people say, it's the same in all the hospitals. That would explain why they try to send people home as soon as they can...

Ayamael, I'm sure you know about that hospital they want to build. That should solve the no space problem. The hic is: they aren't agreeing on where to build it. For at least a year now, if not more... Great job!

Though I have to say that the whole medicare card system is pretty good. Everyone can have access to medical help, and that's great. Sure, we pay for this through our taxes, but it's better than to pay huge sums for a visit to the doctor, no?

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Erm, from what I have seen so far, Singapore had a good healthcare system... Government does not subsidise it fully so it still works properly, I guess..
You get to pay very cheap for a check up (four bucks or so) if you go to a polyclinics, which is basically clinics owned by the government, thing is, ther are so many ppl gg ther and queue is super long that you may have to wait till 2hours... You may actually opt to go to a private clinic, but the same check up may cost you 20-30 bucks.. so it is really up to you...
Hospital care is quite good, Singapore is trying to be a medical hub, so many ppl from South East Asian Countries actually came to Spore for health check up, surgeries and all, therfore I can conclude that hospital care a lot for patients.. And i never heard abt ppl complaining bcos they are send too early home...so i guess its a lot better here -_-'
Aya, maybe you guys can have some strike to change the way the health care system is run >.< just kidding... maybe write to the government or... I dunno, if it already a problem mentioned evrywher then the gov should have heard abt it too.. I hope they try to improve it soon

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I also live in Canada (Alberta) .. and it seems to be a similar situation. I don't know much about it.. but enough to say that it's not any better. There have been a few mistakes the system has made nearly or actually costing people's lives. It's on the news a lot.

i guess I can't blame it.. it takes many years to be a doctor.. and some probably drop out during those years. And since it is public health care.. there's not a lot of help that can go around helping out the millions of people that live in the country.

I still think it's better than privatized health care.. because even if it's not the best treatment.. you actually get some. As I mentioned before.. I dont' know much about the topic.. so don't shoot me for this ^^;;

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  • Apr 02, 2005

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The health system in the US isn't too good. In some of the hospitals in New York, people wait for hours before even going inside. Sometimes even after getting inside, you have to wait a long time for the doctors or nurses.

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  • Apr 02, 2005

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The healthcare in Ca, where I am originally from basically sucked. The cost of insurance was driving up the prices of doctors, and it is pretty hard to get decently covered. Mow here in dead duck Wyoming a good majority of the doctors are leaving. Insurance costs are going up far to high for them to pay and cover their own expenses. It is really sad and depressing. For example I have decent insurance, but we are still paying off my son's birth and he is now 18 months old. Real crappy.

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hey at least Canada has free health care, we don't here, the states got lousy coverage, and the inursance company are sucking the system dry. The government spent 22% of their budget on health care, and we got nothing to show for it, it is a sad day when the insurance company decide how long you can live. :(

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  • Apr 02, 2005

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I'm from Canada as well, but you knew that already, lol. I don't watch the news as much as I should, but I know the health care problem appears to be nation-wide. From what news I have been following, there seems to be a shortage of doctors and nurses and there are always reports of overcrowded emergency rooms, especially around the winter months. But I guess it's still better than some other countries, such as the US. Not sure if our system is exactly 'free' though, doesn't the government pay for it with our tax money? So essentially we are paying for it, lol. There is also that heated controversy about privatized health care in some provinces, but I haven't been following that issue closely ^^"

  • Apr 02, 2005

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In Japan the medical attention and health care goes beyond satisfactory notice. Considering what's pretty much been going under the government wing, the expansion of medical care and attention far surpasses those from other parts around the world. If you think about it, Japan is at least 20 years or perhaps even 25 years ahead in technology compared to everywhere else.

Now if you have attended to the board schools around Tokyo and Kyoto, think about the universitits that are set-up and specialized over there. I would not be surprised if the actually trusted focus on the matter is built and sustained over the medical area. They have many kinds, starting from the WAT to Neureology, and the works. The quality has significantly improved as Japan has lead over the Big Seven nations and it would not be apparently evident in surprise to see that Japan's Health Care systems rank number one in the world.

I pretty much took a tour and studied at the University of Tokyo as an exchange student there for about a month, and the facilities they have are absolutely remarkable. Most degrees taken are registered around a 6-year MDSc to a 10-year major MMASc [romanji-coded in Japan] and the team of specialists that follow these professional people is nothing but astounding. I took the rest of my time working on Economics there, but what really got me surprised was how it somehow all tied into the medical field of business. It's not really much, nor is it too significant, but its there. Privatized health care has been up on the rise ever since new additions were renovated across the entire Kyoto district, and Tokyo fell not behind a few years later. Studying under a bit of World Trade myself, I realized through specific facts how the transfer of medical supplies in Japan has expanded over the years and nearly doubled in exports over the last three decades. It is possibly and probably safe to assume like 99% of the time [my estimation] that the health care of Japan has definitely and exponentially gotten improved over the years and even to the point where specialists from Japan are called from all over the world, and medical doctors are called to go into Japan for vigorous medical training.

Aside from that - lol - Canada's OHIP plan was cancelled a while back and now they have been promoting more privatized health care, than public health care. I missed those days where you show the red card and get the medical attention you deserved. Well, at least we need to do something about it because the tax money rolling in from the southern side of the country isn't really doing much here, but its not as lethal as the US, where only the rich or those who are just barely able to pay, survives. That's pretty much what I have to say here, and its obvious that not many people are really fond of the health care attention situation pretty much evidently nowadays.

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wow interesting topic i must say.... i'm from france, where the health care system is supposed to be *number one* as a UN survey said some time ago. well on certain points we're pretty good i guess, but this "reward" was like the worst thing that could happen, because the politics went 'ahah we're the best' and stopped trying to improve things that needed it.
so basically, in France, you have the right for cure, that is everyone can go to the hospital and receive healing. that's thanx to the CMU (that's Universal Medical Cover) something that's being provided through taxes and stuff. so even one who's got no money can get healed.
then if you consider the medical learning, guess we're kinda the best : 10 to 12 years of study to be a doc, more if you get a specialization (like heart surgeon, anaesthesist ect...), an exam at the end of first year, only 10 % get in (gambatte for me !! ^_^' )
but well, there are some problems : not enough prevention, we're rather focused on curating. lack of docs in certain area, lack of nurses, lack of bed, though not as bad as in Canada yet, but it's starting to be like that, the ppl "stored" in the hallway !!

well i won't complain, you know i think it's already great to have this kind of system working pretty efficiently (though the docs and all are tired)

  • Apr 03, 2005

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I'm from the US, and I have to say, I am very disappointed by my country's health care system. Every other major industrialized nation has universal health care; we do not. Congress passes a bill to try and force the Terri Schiavo case to federal court, Bush cuts his vacation short to sign it (a freaking tsunami couldn't bring him back, but this does!), but they won't do a thing about the sorry state of health care. Medicare is a huge issue, and will be a much bigger problem than Social Security, but hey, Bush says we need to overhaul Social Security, so that's what we're talking about!

Pathetic. Just pathetic.

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It pretty much sucks: you have to pay for everything and they still don't have money for the basic eqiupment.

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Just avoid Greek hospitals if you want to live...
First of all, there isn't one damned hospital with enough beds. They have to use spare beds [over a century old] in the corridors.
Ambulance take their time to get to a place of an accident.
Some hospitals in Athens are about to collapse and the equipment is totally outdated...
You have to pay ["secretly"] the doctors to have a right surgery and even if you pay, they may forget a fleam next to your heart.

And their ass wanted to organize the Olympics >.<

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I'm from the U.S. and i work for an insurance company. I think that things so far are okay...and i'm sorry to hear bout your grandmother Ayamael. *hugs* But had she been one of our patience, we would've provided a home health care nurse to take care of her wounds and help her with medication in-take at home. If her policy had home health care benefits. (most of the policies we do have do have the home health care benefits). After surgery or hospitalization, our nurses make a follow-up call to make sure that you were given proper care and that you were treated well. If not, we file a complaint form for you. And try to speak to our providers (dr's offices/hospitals/urgent cares/etc etc). But coming from an ins. company we try to educate our providers and our customers on the policies b/c most of our customers/patients do not really know what they policy covers. (of course our policies are not free -- but it'd be nice if some of our patients read over what was covered under their policies). Also, our company tries to educate our employees to better understand the needs of a patient and we try to narrow down common occurences in a certain area and try to find ways to prevent or to educate the patience in that area if there is a common occurence of a disease or illness.
Coming from a patient point of view...i've had very good treatment and was treated well. the doctors here are really nice and friendly. I guess it would depend where u lived in the u.s. or in the specific state that you're in. But i'm not gonna lie to you...depending on what kind of insurance you have will depend on how you get treated and what kind of medical attention you get. There are times when hospitals are over crowded and the system works like this if you are in the e.r. Even tho u may have been there for 2 hrs, if you are not about to die, then you will get treated after someone who is in trauma or in a life/death situation. Not to be mean or anything, but alot of us have to be patient when we're waiting in the e.r. b/c there are some ppl who are more injured than we are. But the dr's and hospitals do try to treat their patients as quickly as they can...well NOT all dr's/hopsitals...i dunno if even most...but from my experience that's how it is. Also, dr's don't do much paper work, they have their nurses and billing rep and patient account rep and well there's lotsa ppl that work in the healthcare environment and doesnt really get recognized. (like me lol) i'm not a nurse...i'm not a dr. i'm just support unit member...i produce reports and assist nurses and healthcare associates with their jobs in our medical insurance company. I've also worked in the telephonic customer service area...it's not an easy job for the health care employees...b/c there are some hospitals/dr's offices that don't really try...and there's some hospitals/dr's office that do try hard to help patients. it's got its balance of both. And i know that some patients can't get what they need or can't get what they want b/c their healthcare plan does not provide it for them. Not only that, but we gotta consider the ratio of patient to healthcare facilities. Many more patients than healthcare facilities. I believe we (the state i'm in) have a shortage of nurses/dr's. But also, some patients can't afford health insurance...and i think that it's sad that we don't have some type of plan for those who can't work or can't afford health insurance. Ok...we have medicaid and medicare, but they both don't cover much. Wish there was a plan where it could be cheaper and get the basic needs for patients.
but that's my thoughts on it. It really depends where you live i guess u can say. ^_^ i hope ur grandmother gets better!! ^_^

  • Apr 04, 2005

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Quote by melmachine18The health system in the US isn't too good...


Quote by Jheiracks...basically sucked. The
cost of insurance was driving up the prices...it is pretty hard to get decently covered...Insurance costs are going up far to high...It is really sad and depressing...Real crappy.


Quote by destatiI'm from the US, and I have to say, I am very disappointed by my
country's health care system. Every other major industrialized nation
has universal health care; we do not. Congress passes a bill to try and
force the Terri Schiavo case to federal court, Bush cuts his vacation
short to sign it (a freaking tsunami couldn't bring him back, but this
does!), but they won't do a thing about the sorry state of health care.
Medicare is a huge issue, and will be a much bigger problem than Social
Security, but hey, Bush says we need to overhaul Social Security, so
that's what we're talking about!
Pathetic. Just pathetic.


Quote by Jyu-Jyu...i'm sorry to hear bout your grandmother
Ayamael. *hugs*...

There are times when hospitals are over crowded...b/c there
are some hospitals/dr's offices that don't really try...some patients can't get what they
need...patients can't afford health insurance...and i think that it's sad that we don't have some type of plan for those who can't work or can't afford health insurance...we
have medicaid and medicare, but they both don't cover much. Wish there
was a plan where it could be cheaper and get the basic needs for
patients.

What more do I need to say?

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  • Apr 04, 2005

DaNuke

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Think your government healthcare system sucks? That's because you don't live in Mexico! The government healthcare comes in 4 flavors:

~ The Hospital Civil, ran by teachers and students from local universities. Waiting lines are horribly long, but that's because of the demand. There's a lot of staff working hard there, doing their jobs like pros. You must pay, yeah, but the price is pretty low: a marrow transplant costs about $500 dollars, as far as I know. Among the government healthcare institutions, the Hospital Civil is the best.

~ The Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social (imss), also known as "Cianuro Social" (Social Cyanide) and "Importa Madres su Salud" (We Don't Give a Fuck About Your Health). It's the official social insurance institution. I've never been to one of these hospitals, but people tell some of the creepiest stories about it: waiting lines longer than the ones at the Hospital Civil, secretaries and management staff checking patients because there are no available doctors and nurses, people who go with a trembling eye because of hypertension and, after having a retina burned by a laser machine and a failed operation, leave the hospital blind, stupid doctors prescribing a couple of Aspirines just to cover up a potentially lethal disease, the worker syndicate continuously threatening for a strike thanks to some clever manipulation by corrupted syndicate leaders, equipment over 30 years old, super-modern equipment nobody knows how to use...

~ The issste (Instituto de Salubridad y Seguro Social de los Trabajadores del Estado, also known as "Imposible Solicitar Servicio: Solo Tramitamos Entierros" [Service Petition Denied: We Only Tramit Burials]). Like the imss, but for those who work for the govenment, and worse, with equipment dating back from the 1960s. It also runs some stores where you can buy your groceries at rock-bottom prices, taking them from dirty shelves, old rusted refrigerators for cold shit, carrying them in your hand because there aren't even enough baskets and shopping carts, all that while stepping over and dodging rats and cockroaches crawling over the floor. I've seen also the issste ambulances, and I can say they date back from 1972.

~ The Seguro Popular (Popular Insurance). It's very new, create about 2 months ago, in an attempt to replace the now derelict imss. I don't know how it will become, but my political science teacher says it will go bankrupt just like the IMSS.

As a result, all those who can afford to private healthcare actually flock to private hospitals. I've been to one near my school, run by Franciscan nuns, and it's quite good: nice attention, nice equipment, nice staff, nice everything! They took me off my bottom third molars with a small surgery and everything went just fine.

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  • Apr 04, 2005

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The health care here in the u.s is o.k i think especially for the elderly, sounds like Quebec is in a rush and something is twisted if people get discharged right after surgery.

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sergiej

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my country's health care system ? is there any (regular, proper, not-so-ill and not-so-messed-up) system ? gaaaaaaaah ! KILL these (caring-about-our-HEALTHS) idiots, JUST KILL them, please! actaually people do not die on the streets BUT.
i wish i lived somewhere else ;_;

  • Apr 05, 2005

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The healt care system in Sweden is OK I'd say.
It isen't that expensive but on the other hand the taxes are pretty high! One common thing we have with Japan! (Yes! >_< )
If it's a emergency you'll get threated immediately. If not you might have to wait a couple of days. The equipment are usually of a good quality.
the bad thing is that because Sweden is a country with a smal population. People who live outside the "big" citys might have to travel far to reach the closest hospital.

How's your Grand-Mother? I'm truly sorry to hear what happend. I'd be worried sick if that happend in my family.

Take care!

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Canada's healthcare system kicks ass, well with a few exceptions, but compared to the rest of the world yeah its pretty good

  • Apr 08, 2005
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Hey, I live in Canada too! Our healthcare's pretty good...mind you, it's getting really busy, so there's a ton of financial and waiting line backups now...but at least it's free. ;)

  • Apr 08, 2005
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health care in the u.s. is atrocious!!!! everything here is all about the rich!!! nothing is ever about the poor!! all around me, people are in desperate need of health care (Oakland,Ca)....you can go to eastmont mall clinic (10 HOUR wait) or the Clinica De La Raza (20 HOUR Wait!!)..and yeah,@ the hospital the wait is ssssoooo long!! down with capitalism!!! TAX THE RICH!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: ....dont get me started on our education system.....p.s. i HATE the frikkin TERMINATORRR!!!!! >_< ...phew, that felt great!

  • Apr 08, 2005

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