Quote: Like I said, use MPC because it very much does NOT have a problem
with Matroska files. All you have to do is associate the file format with MPC and it plays Matroska files just as easily
as WMP plays AVI files, double click.
Or just don't use MKV at all and remain happy =p
Quote: Ok, so multiple audio tracks are stupid and not a good idea... Yet
AVI supports them? Do you think that the AVI container magically makes these other audio tracks not take up more space?
Do you also think it is a coincidence that nobody uses AVI for dual audio encodes?
I do have AVI with dual-audio, and they don't take much more space. Yes AVI overhead sucks bigtime, so either OGM
and MKV files would be smaller. But that will fall into the 1% improvement argument also:
Quote: Your point works both ways; it doesn't make a difference so
it's also not a valid argument against using a format either.
So all things been equal, why push a non-standard new experimental format on me? thus, my argument IS valid, because I
want to change my format only when the new one people are pushing me into is 100% reliable and stable. Not even Matroska
designers will say they finished project yet. Point is: since my point works both ways, I suppose keeping things as they
are is better than going all your way to change the format to something new that the difference is irrelevant and we
can't even say will actually be a hit (btw I don't call OGM a hit yet, and I think soon it will stop been
used, needless to say, replaced by MKV).
Quote: Best reason to push MKV, because it is not for You. Convert it to an
AVI if you really can't stand the idea of it possibly supporting something you won't use. And while we are at
it, your computer might actually be able to do a lot of things you never use it for, or your operating system, lets
remove that functionality since it takes up more space. There are probably even keys on your keyboard that you never
use, lets just remove them for you because you don't want it to support anything but exactly what you
use.
You wait 90% of the fansubbers use MKV and we will get into that latter. Also, there are MKVs that cannot be converted
to AVI so one more reason for people who don't like it to bug, and what's even more, it's intentionally
done that way to prevent people converting. While we are at it, I DO uninstall all small stupid plugins and softwares
that my OS install as much as I can, and newsflash, fortunatelly I use all keys on my keyboard, BUT if there were one I
didn't (er, like Scroll Lock), and someone offered me a keyboard without it, I would accept. Unfortunatelly, the
world is run by people like you, who don't question that, and will accept anything since there is no better option
- or the current option is fine but you need to change it for 1% improvement over 10% sweat.
Quote: If you don't care, why use it as an argument against MKV? First
the reason groups do Karaoke is because it's cool, it makes them feel special. Now; in order for a group to release
a separate Karaoke on the op/ed extracted, they would have to rip and then encode and then distribute the files. Why
would they waste their time doing that if they could easily do it for every episode at minimal storage use and not have
to distribute any more files?
BECAUSE I don't care, that I don't want fansubs pushing me to use a format I don't need nor want, that
90% of other fansubs don't use specifically because of that. But I guess you are ok with it, since you won't
bug the keyboard companies even if all keyboards you find have 15 keys you never use (at the extra cost of 15 keys,
obviously) :p
Quote: Do you know how much of a difference you are arguing about? In order
for you to actually notice the difference MKV would have to be hundreds of times heaver on CPU use then AVI. You are
talking about a difference that is about equal to opening a normal .txt file vs. an .rtf file with the same stuff in it
both in Microsoft Word. Even if it's ten times harder on the CPU to demux a MKV, it's ten times nothing and
still equals nothing.
I know how much difference I'm arguing about: One of my CPU (the one with video-out to my lucky) won't handle
MKV's full screen, while it will handle avis. If my CPU is at the borderline, I actually don't care, since my
point is taken. I most certainly won't buy a new box because some morons want to push a new useless experimental
container at me. granted, as soon as MKV is settled they will probably work on optimization (OGM was unplayable at my
box earlier, but latest codecs will do just fine ... I guess MKV one day will also be optimized). One more point not to
push new experimental stuff into me.
Quote: Why use OGM for it if MKV is better at it? OGM has its own purpose
that it is better at, like for low bitrate streaming Vorbis.
I also hate OGM, except OGM are 100% convertable to AVI so if I have absolutelly NO alternative, I'll download OGM
and convert to AVI (btw, AVI files that became smaller since I trash the extra audio track OGM always have: english dub)
and get .srt files (which I can even edit to correct mistakes!)
Quote: They will give their scripts if people ask; they want to make life
difficult for the people who don't ask. If they don't give up their scripts, then I agree, they are jerks that
want fame. But what does it really matter to you? You can still play back a MKV with the subtitles just fine, it would
only be a problem if you were trying to convert the MKV to some other container. Read your orignial argument and ask why
is that a reason for You to not use MKV?
Real reason: because it makes harder to me to convert to a format it will play on any machine, OS, system and box in the
world, as much as you won't agree AVI IS a standard ... AND they do that intentionally, which annoys me even more.
Then you ask "what does it really matter to you?" ... did you read anything so far? or pushing a non-standard
experimental format into me because they are jerks who want to protect their script is not a reason enough to be
annoyed? Push a new settled optimized cool format into me and I won't bug you, push a experimental non-standard
format for the wrong reasons and I will (and while we are at it, I still want my keyboard without Scroll lock
=p)
Quote: Why do you think MKV was created in the first place? Because AVI is
NOT a world-wide acceptable standard, you can't have a world-wide standard if it doesn't support all the
necessary characters.
Because a bunch of kids had nothing better to do? ok j/k. I do see why MKV is better, now tell me, why do I need to
download MKV files of stuff that CAN be encoded using AVI or OGM? That's just kiddy stuff so they fell special by
using something "new" and "cool", there is no real reason behind that.
Quote: So I went snooping around on google, turns out there is plenty of
support for both Linux and Mac for Matroska. And again, I doubt you use either so why use it as an argument against
Matroska if it has zero impact on you?
Because I wanted to argue against MKV as a whole and not just for me, as much as you keep getting back to me, most of my
arguments are general. And please research deeper, there IS support for linux and mac but they are not as efficient as
those for windows, and people DO have problem using them. That will change in a near future but that just adds to my
"why push a 'under-development' codec into me?"
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Ok let me tell you something that bugged the hell out of me some monthes ago. All hardware stores where I live were
selling that "enchaced keyboard" with the function keys "sleep"/"power"/"wake
up", which are useless and only cause problems (ever hit power by accident and saw your work getting lost?). So, I
wanted one without it (my old keyboard started malfunctioning). So, guess what, it was SO COOL to have those new keys,
no hardware store had a keyboard without them, Turned out, some hardware companies even stoped doing keyboard without
it.
HOWEVER, thanks to people who won't buy the new stupid stuff just because it's cool and some people use the
new feature, me and some friends bugged the stores and hardware companies so much, that they actually decided to order
one keyboard without them just for me.
Now, I was really annoying to them right? Guess what, 3 monthes latter I get a mail from the hardware store thanking me
for doing that, because after I did, lots of people spoke out their rage about that useless keys, and their hardware
store actually got a lot of profits been the only one in town with keyboard without them.
Now every store have them, and the hardware companies that stopped producing them started producing them back.
That 1% improvement were not enough to make people "fall" for the new standard, and now we can choose which
keyboard we want.
Was I wrong? or was the industry trying to push the new keyboard regardless of what people thought wrong?
I guess I NOT wanting to be pushed to use a format that all improvements are useless to me am wrong right?
