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Zerlingo

Zerlingo

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Too many scans i uploaded were deleted, though i had uploaded better versions without NOISE. I suggest to look at the scans before you, Gallery directors push the button "delete".

Marissa Said me:
"Later submissions of the same scan will only be kept if they are of
significantly better quality than the old one. 150-200 pixels
doesn't make much of any difference when a scan is already 3500x5000
pixels, nor does slight print noise."

I will not reupload any image of the deleted ones, it's a nuisance to work hard in an image to be later deleted because yes. I always try to upload the best possible and not and ugly scan full of noise, a bad thing for a Wallpaper.

I put you here an example of a scan deleted:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/blaizer/foros/sc01.jpg
http://usuarios.lycos.es/blaizer/foros/sc02.jpg
http://usuarios.lycos.es/blaizer/foros/sc03.jpg

What do you think is better? please, comment this problem.
She pissed me off with the "slight print noise". Where's the noise?

If people prefer the noised image, i have not said anything, just forget me :). I will upload only images with noise as others.

Sorry for all the inconveniences.

Wakarimashta

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Just my two cents: A scan is a scan. If someone wants to have a noiseless image, let them download NeatImage and clean it up themselves. Usually if one is going to work on a scan for a wallpaper submission, they would clean it up anyway as they work with the image. Other than that, I am not sure most people here are really nitpicky about noise unless they were going to print an enlargement (where fine details show up in the print). If it's something that's going to just show up fitting on a computer monitor, the noiseless details won't be a significant notice.

An example of that would be your top sample, where the only difference that I see off hand between the two images is the contrast.

Zerlingo

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Neat image does not clean so well certain types of images, it removes an amount, only that. "Better scans would be replaced instead of the lower quality ones", where is that?

Quote: let them download NeatImage

you should say.. buy Photoshop and Neat image. They are expesive programs, not for normal people. The top image is an example, a lower res than 800x600, Noise is noticed at that resolution, you should know that.

EternalParadox

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Well, I think Marissa's comment said it all. Only in the middle set do I see any major differences in noise. And even then, it's certainly nothing the experienced wallers cannot handle. The key word is significant. The gallery mods must have deemed your scans to not be significantly higher quality, andn thus yours were deleted.

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fluke

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I guess my question is, why upload duplicate images in the first place unless they were like said signifigantly better. As for my 2 cents I like the pics on the right, I think it looks like more detail than noise, that "noise" isn't really noise but it's scanned at such high dpi that you can make out the fibers in the paper. I get that all the time in my scans.

blueotaku-sp

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Well, it's a hard situation but...

I personally like the scans as the ones of Zerlingo being 'soft' and nicely cleaned, not that I will make a LOT of wallies but I like to file the archives. and those aren't the dpi when scanning, 'casue even scanning at low or medium res. you obtain those! (noise)
It's like he's doing an extra job for the comunity in general.

I cannont say an thing about tha actitude of that mod. but she could have a reason, like the scan alredy being in the gallery.

On the other hand I agree that there's no need to upload scans that are alredy at the gallery, just hat the one in the gallery shows not much quality, in this case it would be a need a hi-res scan!

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Hm.. I can see how there is a bit of noise in the other scans. But as Marissa said, your scan doesn't seem to be significantly better in terms of quality, and the other scan had better resolution. Sorry to hear your scans were deleted, but its MT policy..

"Faith means believing in something that will only make sense in reverse."
"When men are the most sure and arrogant they are commonly the most mistaken..."

Zerlingo

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i don't know what to think... "significantly higher quality". I uploaded the scand because i considered them higher quality... what would be the reason..? Of course, people as i can see loves noise, "Is more realistic", my scan all what scans have noise. Mine not, i have one professional.

Better resolution?? The size image is a little bigger, mine is the bigger, without noise, why put a 600 dpi image?, a jpg format for a 600 dpi for exmaple is more than 2mb at a nice jpg compression and MT does not accept imager larger than 2 mb (plus that bandwidth will be killer for MT). Do you want a 12000x pixels image? sure not.

This is frustrating, i'm really annoyed. I worry about to share excelent scans, so people could make wallpapers (if they want) or to engrossing the scan collection, and all my worries is for nothing. More than 25 mins or more for nothing.


This is from the rules:

Quote: Scans
1) Must be of a minimum quality APART from the number of pixels. If it's blurry, or with excessive artifacts, do not submit it
2) Scans are on Minitokyo mainly for providing aspiring artists with useful material. So before posting a scan, ask yourself: Can this scan be used in a good quality wallpaper? If the answer is no.. then don't submit it.
3) Since few read the policy, it must also be anime, manga or game related, it cannot be a screenshot, it cannot be enlarged to fit the minimum dimensions, nor be excessively blurred, unsharp, noisy, over- or undersaturated, over- or underlit. And it MUST have a clearly visible subject, since its purpose is to be used for a wallpaper..
4) It must not be mature in content (this goes for wallpapers too..). Mature does NOT just include nudity (again, as stated in the policy...) Minitokyo wants to be a clean place, so that we can avoid worrying about the age of the members. If you want extremely ecchi or hentai images, there are plenty of other sites around..
5) About black and white: this is admittedly rather controversial. Generally black and white scans are not accepted unless they are scans form an artist bok or something. As always, the general rule stays valid. Before submiting think if the scan can be used for a wallpaper or not

EternalParadox

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"Significantly" is a subjective qualification. Unfortunately, it is the gallery directors' determination.

People don't love noise. That's a wrong assumption. The point is that just because your scan has less noise does not automatically equal significantly higher quality. Again, it is the gallery directors who decide how much less noise is the significant threshold.

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Wakarimashta

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Quote by Zerlingoi don't know what to think... "significantly higher quality". I
uploaded the scand because i considered them higher quality... what
would be the reason..? Of course, people as i can see loves noise, "Is
more realistic", my scan all what scans have noise. Mine not, i have
one professional.


Professional? How is it not professional when you're scanning something that is already there? Again, you're still confusing "noise" with "moire." You just can't escape seeing pigments from the original scan. It doesn't matter how good your scanner is optically, what the magazine publishes is what you will get in the scan. One would need to obtain the original masters of the art for something to look professional and noiseless.

Just share your noiseless scans to images that aren't already uploaded, plain and simple.

Zerlingo

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Quote by Wakarimashta
Professional? How is it not professional when you're scanning something
that is already there? Again, you're still confusing "noise" with
"moire." You just can't escape seeing pigments from the original scan.
It doesn't matter how good your scanner is optically, what the magazine
publishes is what you will get in the scan. One would need to obtain
the original masters of the art for something to look professional and
noiseless.
Just share your noiseless scans to images that aren't already uploaded,
plain and simple.

in spanish is "ruido", in my english photoshop CS2, is Noise (image noise). You just don't know what professional scans do with a bad magazine and deteriored photos. Sure you scan costed you about 100 bucks as much, mine is more than 600euros.
i will not share any scan more, all for my collection, plain and simple as well.

I try to give the community something better and all what i get is bad manners and all what i'm reading. People are unthankful.

And i repeat, my scan HAVE NOT noise, plain color and bigger size, are you blind? there's the jpg compression, but the raw image have no noise (12 mb+).

One scan more, one scan less.. it does not matter..

I put bigger image so you could apreciate the main difference i say. My scans were bigger and purely clean, as a vector image.
This first is mine.
http://www.usuarios.lycos.es/blaizer/foros/sc04.jpg

this, the one that is in the gallery.
http://www.usuarios.lycos.es/blaizer/foros/sc05.jpg

So ending, which do you prefer? please answer only "without noise" or "with noise"

thanks

Alpha

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Obviously your scan Is the best, can you please put the name of the other member that has the same scan please?... Dont say other put the name of the member... thanks, I can see if you are telling us the true I think your scan is the best and I think there is no reazon to delete your scan better delete the other... This is my honest opinion...

white-zero

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Yeah. I don't get it. If there's such noises, it is up to us wallers to fix it for use. >_>

And ask the mods to delete the other

XD

Zerlingo

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The member is Lord_Satorius, he probably would have sended a PM to any moderator and have convinced him/her.
He also pm me with "nice words". A lot people is worried about levels, instead of making a decent gallery for all.

I didn't posted that my scan is less in mb than the image with noise. noise is always more information. Maybe due to that the mod have deleted the scans, but that is something that don't worry me.

The mods will not delete the others scans, sure. I'm not such a bad guy to do that hehe.

EternalParadox

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Again, how much your scan is better is entirely subjective. I really think you're making too much of this rather small issue. A mod decided that the different in noise, size, etc, is not sufficient to qualify for "significantly superior" and thus deleted your scans. The mod has his or her reasons for determining that your scan did not constitute significantly better, and I don't really see how nagging here in this forum really changes anything. My best advice is to live with it and in the future submit things that haven't been submitted.

And please do not name other members in the forums when you have an issue. If you have a problem, use the support inquiry.

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Zerlingo

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I was asking what kind of image people prefer and making a suggestion. The mods are person and may not have the proper criteria. It seems you don't read well or you want to assume all the things i say, don't you? maybe is because you are japanese :D.

I will try to use the support inquiry but i think it will not be useful. Arigatou for your suggestion.

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Both versions are nice in their own way.
Yours appears cleaner and more vibrant when looking at the characters,
yet in the larger versions you provided, I can see that the other scan has more brushwork detail shown in the background (such as the grass).

Sorry I can't decide either way as I don't make wallpapers and I'm the type that has
several versions for the same image. ^_^'

white-zero

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Quote by EternalParadoxAgain, how much your scan is better is entirely subjective. I really
think you're making too much of this rather small issue. A mod decided
that the different in noise, size, etc, is not sufficient to qualify
for "significantly superior" and thus deleted your scans. The mod has
his or her reasons for determining that your scan did not constitute
significantly better, and I don't really see how nagging here in this
forum really changes anything. My best advice is to live with it and in
the future submit things that haven't been submitted.
And please do not name other members in the forums when you have an
issue. If you have a problem, use the support inquiry.

Dude, surely you see the difference between those two scans. Why do you have to defend a mod even if he/she makes mistakes? And support inquiry won't help much about it.

Zerlingo, if your scan got deleted again, send em to me. I'll make good use of it. XD

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