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So what are your thoughts on WWII? I it can be anything that deals with the war. Everything from the Europen Front to D-Days in the Pacific. A long with the atomic bombs.

I just needed some oppions cause right now I'm kinda stumped myself.
I personaly love this era. It's just something that leaves me with wanting more.

So anway I find the war quite reasonalbe. Saying that there where crazy men out there trying to conqure the world. (Not only Hitler falls in that catagory) I beleave they needed a fare smack in the face.

As for the atomic bombs I find that also very reasonalbe. If not for the atomic bombs there would have caused many more deaths for the Americans, British, and Russains. Also making the war last 2-3 years longer. Instead of sending millions of more men into war to invade the main island (japan itself) they decied to send a shell instead. So basicly saying why send a man when you can send a shell.

Ahhh.... Anway I can't get my words together right now. x_x So I'll leave it up to you.

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  • Aug 11, 2005

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interesting thread.... I don't really know how the U.S. got involved in it though.... haha I sleep in history ^_^'

As for Hitler he could go in the same catagory as Saddam Hussien....

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Well Alisha,see I'm glad the wars happened in a small small small small way cause of the 'freedom' it gave us however I will make this so clear right now I DO NOT endorce WAR especially THE ONE BUSH IS waging I am as always sorry if my thoughts have offended anyone in anyway,this is just my thoughts,it is noy my fault if others share my beliefs.
and alish look what sig may made me ^_^ YOU RULE MAY

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Well. My thoughts about WWII is like a shock. But yet I wasn't there when it happend. But compar that with todays war? Well, is there any difference? I mean. In both wars, we lose men for the better, or for the worst. But I don't think war is never going to end. As long as men live. So does war. -_-

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I share your thirst for more info on this time period Alisha.

many people (usually ignorant), become outraged ar the mere thought of this war and immediatly think of all the horrible things done in it. But, thanks to this war many military and scientifical breakthroughs took place. The main goal of the war was to unify the world under one perfect race, unfourtunally, the man in control..was a mad and mentally unstable being, especially towards the end. It was a necessary war for the sake of humanity's progress in this planet.

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Quote by TimothytheDarkMagicianinteresting thread.... I don't really know how the U.S. got involved in it though.... haha I sleep in history ^_^'


Haha.... For the Europen war I think it was for lending a hand. I think it's the same for the Pacific war but what really pushed it into war was when they bombed Pearl Harbor cause we didn't trade with them or something.

Quote: As for Hitler he could go in the same catagory as Saddam Hussien....


Haha... Yeah in the catagory of a crazy a$$ bastered

Quote by ZeroDegressWell Alisha,see I'm glad the wars happened in a small small small small
way cause of the 'freedom' it gave us however I will make this so clear
right now I DO NOT endorce WAR especially THE ONE BUSH IS waging I am
as always sorry if my thoughts have offended anyone in anyway,this is
just my thoughts,it is noy my fault if others share my beliefs.
and alish look what sig may made me ^_^ YOU RULE MAY


Hey not offended at all. :) That's what you think and I respect that.

Quote by miraku-spikeWell. My thoughts about WWII is like a shock. But yet I wasn't there
when it happend. But compar that with todays war? Well, is there any
difference? I mean. In both wars, we lose men for the better, or for
the worst. But I don't think war is never going to end. As long as men
live. So does war. -_-


Hmm... Well you do have a point of comparing the two and saying there the same cause we had lost. But if you actually look at it there is probably some difference to it.

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Quote by SharinganKnightI share your thirst for more info on this time period Alisha.

many people (usually ignorant), become outraged ar the mere thought of this war and immediatly think of all the horrible things done in it. But, thanks to this war many military and scientifical breakthroughs took place. The main goal of the war was to unify the world under one perfect race, unfourtunally, the man in control..was a mad and mentally unstable being, especially towards the end. It was a necessary war for the sake of humanity's progress in this planet.


So ture. Hitler did get worst and worst to the end of the war. He apparently had a doctor that gave him medication that made him almost insane. You can almost call him a drug addic. Even his military officers said to not take the midications that he was giving him. Well that's what he gets I guess. I mean if he didn't take those medications we would probably be speaking German right now. o_0

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Was it really a necessary war? I mean, it didn't solve the basic problem of European history, which is that a united Austria and Germany are just too damn powerful for the continent (most of European history, including both world wars, is usually related to this issue).

After wwii, Germany was still the most powerful economy on the continent--and still is. So really, WWII didn't solve anything--but Germany's integration into the European community via the EU did.

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I think they should've stopped Hitler at Munich, then none of this would've happened. Of course, poor america needed a good war for the economy to recover. and don't think world banks were too concerned about it either.
As for the bombs being necessary, I'd rather have soldiers die than children. Kinda like what's happening in Iraq. Long live the resistance!

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Yes. Your right. There is a difference in the two. The one we have now is Americas fault. Why? Cuase we interfered with the Iraqies and for the cause of that. We lost more men then we thought we would. Their are sucide bombers there who are killing Amierican soldiers everday. But in the WWII however. It was the Japanesse who bombed Pearl Harbor. I think. Crap! I can't believe I forgot.

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It was a devastating War for both sides. Millions dead in very short time. I mean D-Day alone had what was it a couple of thousand Ally deaths in what like under 5 minutes of them storming the beach I mean most died before ever hitting the beach. It was a bloody war with no mercy being seen for either side. The US wouldn't even be in the War if Japan han't bombed Pearl Harbor. Even then the US knew but did nothing when they did send word it was an hour late and thousands had already died. I mean the Pacific Fleet was just decimated all we had left was our carriers which thankfully weren;t at Pearl Harbor at the time. They were actually Japans real target. Take those out then the US had nothing. Who knows maybe that dreadful day may have never happened if the US entered at the beginning. Hitler a yes a brilliant man he had the intelligence he jsut used it for evil. Millions of Jews died at his hands. Tried to take over Britain crush tehm in fact thousands of bombers and fighter escorts were sent ot destroy London. The RAF :Royal Air Force: only had a couple hundred planes. I think it was around 200 against thousands those aren't very good odds. Added to the fact that Hitler sent not one but two bomber raids against Britain. Yet Britain never gave up. The RAF suffered losses pilots died on a daily basis with fewer and fewer expert pilots and more and more rookies going up. Amazing only a few stood between Hitler and Britain and yet the British won at a cost ofcourse. Then there's the bombings of Japans cities Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Even two this day you can see the vaporized outlines of those who died from those bombings. Were they really necessary who is really to say. Some agree some thikn there were other ways of ending the war. Many were just sick of the war because it had raged on so long that they were happy to see it's end.

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Well for me ... no atomic bomb in Japan...maybe no Anime for us...maybe no cool Japanese technology for us...well maybe not also, maybe if the nuke really didn't bomb japan, maybe we are conquered by Japan, more access to anime more access to cars more access to gadget...maybe we're starting to enter the U.C. who knows. :P

As for Saddam.... hell did Bush really find the weapon of mass destruction? hell do saddam really have the WMD? i doubted it. They just wanted the oils i think. oh well, who cares. just don't invade my back yard and everything will be fine... mweheheheh

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Quote by solace42Was it really a necessary war? I mean, it didn't solve the basic
problem of European history, which is that a united Austria and Germany
are just too damn powerful for the continent (most of European history,
including both world wars, is usually related to this issue).
After wwii, Germany was still the most powerful economy on the
continent--and still is. So really, WWII didn't solve anything--but
Germany's integration into the European community via the EU did.


Yes it did do something more then just unit the countries. It stoped mad men from conquring the world. Including the Japanese. As for Germany yes I know there power didn't end till 1991 but hey we did stop the leading son of a gun. Didn't we?

Quote by rslgtoI think they should've stopped Hitler at Munich, then none of this
would've happened. Of course, poor america needed a good war for the
economy to recover. and don't think world banks were too concerned
about it either.


Ahh... Yes so ture.

Quote: As for the bombs being necessary, I'd rather have soldiers die than
children. Kinda like what's happening in Iraq. Long live the resistance!


Hey look at it this way. They (soilders) died for our future. Good no?

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the bombs had to go, at least the first one, the second one is debetable. The US lost almost 21,000 men taking ONE of japans Islands. The japanese are very proud people, they weren't gonan give it up to a rumor of a bomb. The first one had to be dropped, the second one was dropped for the sake of experiment. Since they were both 2 different bombs data was recorded from both impacts.

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WWII = ppl dying = unhapiness = revenge = more ppl dying = Atomic bombs dropped on Nagasaki/Hiroshima = 2 cities obliviated = (forgot # of ppl that died in the 2 attacks) = surrender
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well.....my point is the US didn't have to drop the bombs (Fatman/Little Boy) since they knew Japan was losing anyway.............but they did to make their point/TEST out their new toy..........i think the drop of the bombs were wrong cuz of all the deaths it created + they were 99% civillians not soldiers ..........................the attack on Pearl Harbor was targeted on SOLDIERS/war related equipment not civillians

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Quote by SharinganKnightthe bombs had to go, at least the first one, the second one is
debetable. The US lost almost 21,000 men taking ONE of japans Islands.
The japanese are very proud people, they weren't gonan give it up to a
rumor of a bomb. The first one had to be dropped, the second one was
dropped for the sake of experiment. Since they were both 2 different
bombs data was recorded from both impacts.


Ahh... Yes Iwo Jima. Just finished a book on that. That's what started the whole thread. Well anyway I agree the Japanese are a very hard to declare victory on. Maybe there pride is a bit big. Just by looking on how well they fortified there bombs shells is amazing. 5 days of air-rades did nothing to them and 7 days of navel shelling did nothing but reagrange the sand. x_x Our boys had a hard time on the beaches. They caught a lot of the hell.

Quote by SpystreakIt was a devastating War for both sides. Millions dead in very short
time. I mean D-Day alone had what was it a couple of thousand Ally
deaths in what like under 5 minutes of them storming the beach I mean
most died before ever hitting the beach.


The beaches where very hard but the D-Days in the Pacific where much worst. The cost in Iwo where much more big then Normandy itself. But hey that's what the Maries are for though. Right?

Quote: It was a bloody war with no
mercy being seen for either side. The US wouldn't even be in the War if
Japan han't bombed Pearl Harbor. Even then the US knew but did nothing
when they did send word it was an hour late and thousands had already
died. I mean the Pacific Fleet was just decimated all we had left was
our carriers which thankfully weren;t at Pearl Harbor at the time. They
were actually Japans real target. Take those out then the US had
nothing. Who knows maybe that dreadful day may have never happened if
the US entered at the beginning.


Japan did actually send a Warning to America but it came in waay to late to even matter. The bombings where already happening in Pearl Harbor.

Quote: Hitler a yes a brilliant man he had
the intelligence he jsut used it for evil. Millions of Jews died at his
hands. Tried to take over Britain crush tehm in fact thousands of
bombers and fighter escorts were sent ot destroy London. The RAF :Royal
Air Force: only had a couple hundred planes. I think it was around 200
against thousands those aren't very good odds. Added to the fact that
Hitler sent not one but two bomber raids against Britain. Yet Britain
never gave up. The RAF suffered losses pilots died on a daily basis
with fewer and fewer expert pilots and more and more rookies going up.
Amazing only a few stood between Hitler and Britain and yet the British
won at a cost ofcourse.


The British also had a problem with creating horrible bombers. There bomber that was used before the Landcaster was just horrible. 4 out of every 5 pilots on it died cause there wasn't enough parashots.

Quote: Then there's the bombings of Japans cities
Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Even two this day you can see the vaporized
outlines of those who died from those bombings. Were they really
necessary who is really to say. Some agree some thikn there were other
ways of ending the war. Many were just sick of the war because it had
raged on so long that they were happy to see it's end.


Oh man did we ever need it. We where left to just bombing drive ways and door steps after a while. x_x But still the Japanese refused to serender. But to think how much we actually need to conqure the main island Japan itself. The numbers would have been great.

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Quote by Alisha
Ahh... Yes Iwo Jima. Just finished a book on that. That's what started
the whole thread. Well anyway I agree the Japanese are a very hard to
declare victory on. Maybe there pride is a bit big. Just by looking on
how well they fortified there bombs shells is amazing. 5 days of
air-rades did nothing to them and 7 days of navel shelling did nothing
but reagrange the sand. x_x Our boys had a hard time on the beaches.
They caught a lot of the hell.


wow, I must admit, you didn't hit me as the type of girl who reads, my cenceriest apologies on taht one. In my complete denail to actually being my summer reading for school, I've been reading a lot that has nothign to do with school, and I've recently read a book called; "the underground education" by Richard Zacks, its a nifty book with a lot of facts you won't hear about in school, I do not recommend this book to the weak mind though, and neither to the young, it contains ALOT of sexual content, but it has a lot of useful info on wwii, such as Hitlers unreplacable friends, his dogs..yes he was madly in love with his dogs, and had many shot for having recieved affection from the dogs, jealousy is complex, no?

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Yeah the war would have been longer years longer. Add a couple thousnad more deaths for the allies. Yeah if you think in that light it was more of it's either us or them and well the US chose them

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Quote by SharinganKnightwow, I must admit, you didn't hit me as the type of girl who reads, my
cenceriest apologies on taht one.


Pssh... What are you kidding me? I DO read for all of you out there! And there not just kiddy books! XO

Quote: In my complete denail to actually
being my summer reading for school, I've been reading a lot that has
nothign to do with school, and I've recently read a book called; "the
underground education" by Richard Zacks, its a nifty book with a lot of
facts you won't hear about in school, I do not recommend this book to
the weak mind though, and neither to the young, it contains ALOT of
sexual content, but it has a lot of useful info on wwii, such as
Hitlers unreplacable friends, his dogs..yes he was madly in love with
his dogs, and had many shot for having recieved affection from the
dogs, jealousy is complex, no?


Yeah but he had his own dogs tested on. For some kind of pozien. I forgot what it's called but can you beleave he gave up ALL of his dogs just to prove that it worked?

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actually it was only one dog, a bitch actually, he tested the poison he was to take just before the russians defeated the Axis. The poison worked, and he gave it to his closest officers.

Quote by SpystreakYeah the war would have been longer years longer. Add a couple thousnad
more deaths for the allies. Yeah if you think in that light it was more
of it's either us or them and well the US chose them

I wise choice in my opinion. there are deaths in every war, and to expect few in a world war would be very foolish.

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Quote by SpystreakYeah the war would have been longer years longer. Add a couple thousnad
more deaths for the allies. Yeah if you think in that light it was more
of it's either us or them and well the US chose them


That's what I've been saying for the past like.... Year! But no one beleaves me. T_T

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WW2 really has underlined that if invasion for power is to be stopped/avoided, all entities in the world must participate. ...It also illustrated that powerful economies can readily design and furnish the talismans of war, just as the USA did. ...With the holocausts and amassing of arms Germany performed with almost no interdiction, WW2 has really become the cornerstone for today's military-backed world politics. ...And has really (imho) set a good precedence for the Iraq War. ...As this seems very similar... ...With the killing of the Kerds, and the massing of powerful militaries. ....Not to mention the recent invasion of Kuwait, etc...

World War 2 also played chairperson for the development of many modern jet-engine fundamentals, and really was the keystone in the development of high-speed aerial dogfighting, air combat, strategic bombing, etc.

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I think it was the last war that everyone respected. The press stayed out of the military's business. I'm taking humanities 111 (Western Civilization) this fall (I'm starting my freshman year of college), and I was so happy to see that WWII is in the book. I think it's the most interesting war, and personally, the only war we had business being in after WWI.

As for the A-bombs, those had to be dropped to save lives. The man who flew the Enola Gay lives here in Columbus, Ohio (where I live), and he was on the news the other day (or some WWII special about the A-bomb). He said that so many men who were scheduled for the invasion of Japan have come up to him to thank him for saving their lives. And those bombs, as horrendous as the lasting effects of the radiation have been, not only saved American and British lives, but Japanese lives as well. The Japanese -- soldiers and civilians alike -- would've died to defend their country. As far as Russian lives are concerned, I really think the Cold War would've been avoided if we'd done what General George S. Patton said and gone after the Russians, I'm sorry, but it's the truth (and Patton's death was staged; the US Gov't wanted to shut him up). Watch the movie Patton and read whatever biography you can find about him, the man was a genius. Not even MacArthur would've thought of using Rommel's tank combat tactics against the Nazi general. My maternal grandfather was under MacArthur's command in the Pacific, and Granddad said Patton was a better general.

Both of my grandfathers participated in WWII; my maternal grandfather was in the US Army, and my paternal grandfather was in the US Air Force. I forget where the Air Force had Papa (paternal grandfather) stationed, but the Army put Granddad in the Pacific. I'm so glad Granddad wasn't at Pearl Harbor, because I saw the special on the National Geographic Channel, and I was so disturbed by it. I keep thinking that if Granddad had been there, I wouldn't be here, because my mother wasn't born until 1949.

Granddad was only 22 when Pearl Harbor was attacked, and Papa was 23. If either had been killed, I wouldn't be here. It is because of them that I respect -- and love -- the WWII generation and study the period so much.

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Quote by Archer79World War 2 also played chairperson for the development of many modern
jet-engine fundamentals, and really was the keystone in the development
of high-speed aerial dogfighting, air combat, strategic bombing, etc.


Very ture. After seeing what the Germans had in there secert hands. I totally agree with you. But I say the Germans had these really great ideas that they where gonna use but luckly the war ended a year to early. If it had gone for another yeah we wouldn't have been able to chach up to there technology until the early 1950s.

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I see... World War II

Well, it's really bad because there are many casualties and it also presented the Atomic Bomb but we also know that many people here fought for freedom and for the sake of their own country.

We also consider the texhnology that has been made. For example, the radar. Military Technology has gone wild because of this.

And after the War, 50 nations joined together to form the United Nations and all of this nations helped each other to bring life again.

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