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actually, we were years ahead of the germans, simply because of the A-Bombs ;) the Nazi's made their first mistake when they invaded Russia in the winter, fools froze to death, after that everything came down hill for poor Adolf. But, if they BY ANY chance, would've taken Russia, Im sure the US would resort to dropping a few of their babies on them.

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Quote by SharinganKnightactually, we were years ahead of the germans, simply because of the A-Bombs ;) the Nazi's made their first mistake when they invaded Russia in the winter, fools froze to death, after that everything came down hill for poor Adolf. But, if they BY ANY chance, would've taken Russia, Im sure the US would resort to dropping a few of their babies on them.

I agree. That'll be one of Hitler's greatest mistake if he had done that. And to simply think that US is neutral at that time... weird...

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well, in the beginning of the war, the world, especially the US, wasn't sure where the true porpuse of it all really lied, so no action was taken to prevent a simple rebellion to grow into a World War. Unfourtunally for us, Hitler's amazing abilities to convince those around him, that waht he wanted to achive was right, led the "simple rebellion" into a "world war".

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Quote by SharinganKnightactually, we were years ahead of the germans, simply because of the
A-Bombs ;) the Nazi's made their first mistake when they invaded Russia
in the winter, fools froze to death, after that everything came down
hill for poor Adolf. But, if they BY ANY chance, would've taken Russia,
Im sure the US would resort to dropping a few of their babies on them.


Well yeah we had the uper hand cause of the atomic bomb but I mean there Fighters. The fighters they had desinger that was suppost to come out in 1946 where just really, really, fast and good. We didn't have a desigen that could out beat it until the early 1950s. I mean there planes where just gonna do cirlces around our airplanes.

trust me, that really didn't matter the minute the Manhattan project was announced a success, and even Hitler knew he had lost by then.

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Quote by SharinganKnightwell, in the beginning of the war, the world, especially the US, wasn't sure where the true porpuse of it all really lied, so no action was taken to prevent a simple rebellion to grow into a World War. Unfourtunally for us, Hitler's amazing abilities to convince those around him, that waht he wanted to achive was right, led the "simple rebellion" into a "world war".

Yep, that's right. US got the weapons back then but when the "simple rebellion" turned into a "world war", certain weapons were invented and produced by the countries involved and then alas, the deadly war has begun!

Anyone here knows that Hitler's an Austrian?

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Quote by solace42Was it really a necessary war? I mean, it didn't solve the basic
problem of European history, which is that a united Austria and Germany
are just too damn powerful for the continent (most of European history,
including both world wars, is usually related to this issue).
After wwii, Germany was still the most powerful economy on the
continent--and still is. So really, WWII didn't solve anything--but
Germany's integration into the European community via the EU did.


actaully it did. they solved the basic thing of goverment. all of europe was just a power hungry monarcy(or where the royalty rule) and who was suppirior. the nazi gov thought they were better than anyone(except the japs cause of the japanese culture) we sovled meny problems in europe like the racsists(not as meny or there isnt a stronghld anymore) mistreatment on the common people , and how the gov should be.

Quote by TimothytheDarkMagicianinteresting thread.... I don't really know how the U.S. got involved in it though.... haha I sleep in history ^_^'

As for Hitler he could go in the same catagory as Saddam Hussien....

it was pearl harbor that made the US join and european problems.

Quote by SpystreakIt was a devastating War for both sides. Millions dead in very short
time. I mean D-Day alone had what was it a couple of thousand Ally
deaths in what like under 5 minutes of them storming the beach I mean
most died before ever hitting the beach. It was a bloody war with no
mercy being seen for either side. The US wouldn't even be in the War if
Japan han't bombed Pearl Harbor. Even then the US knew but did nothing
when they did send word it was an hour late and thousands had already
died. I mean the Pacific Fleet was just decimated all we had left was
our carriers which thankfully weren;t at Pearl Harbor at the time. They
were actually Japans real target. Take those out then the US had
nothing. Who knows maybe that dreadful day may have never happened if
the US entered at the beginning. Hitler a yes a brilliant man he had
the intelligence he jsut used it for evil. Millions of Jews died at his
hands. Tried to take over Britain crush tehm in fact thousands of
bombers and fighter escorts were sent ot destroy London. The RAF :Royal
Air Force: only had a couple hundred planes. I think it was around 200
against thousands those aren't very good odds. Added to the fact that
Hitler sent not one but two bomber raids against Britain. Yet Britain
never gave up. The RAF suffered losses pilots died on a daily basis
with fewer and fewer expert pilots and more and more rookies going up.
Amazing only a few stood between Hitler and Britain and yet the British
won at a cost ofcourse. Then there's the bombings of Japans cities
Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Even two this day you can see the vaporized
outlines of those who died from those bombings. Were they really
necessary who is really to say. Some agree some thikn there were other
ways of ending the war. Many were just sick of the war because it had
raged on so long that they were happy to see it's end.

try the hundred thousands, i would know cause my grandfather was there and he lived to tell the story. they mowed down the troops that were getting on the beach. they had a anchor like thing that caused the us to drop their units farther back.

Quote by Berserker13WWII = ppl dying = unhapiness = revenge = more ppl dying = Atomic bombs
dropped on Nagasaki/Hiroshima = 2 cities obliviated = (forgot # of ppl
that died in the 2 attacks) = surrender
The continuous circle of Death and Despair "Makes you wonder if it will
only end when your enemy is totally destroyed" -Desert Tiger
well.....my point is the US didn't have to drop the bombs
(Fatman/Little Boy) since they knew Japan was losing
anyway.............but they did to make their point/TEST out their new
toy..........i think the drop of the bombs were wrong cuz of all the
deaths it created + they were 99% civillians not soldiers
..........................the attack on Pearl Harbor was targeted on
SOLDIERS/war related equipment not civillians

yes and you are wrong in a way. they did drop the bombs to scare the army of japan. they droped the nukes on hirosima and nagasaki cause it would scare the hell out of the japs and the cities werent superimportant. yes they had civilians in the cities but if they bombed those, it wouldnt distroy the culture or the japs socicaty.

Quote by eXDream2K5I think it was the last war that everyone respected. The press stayed
out of the military's business. I'm taking humanities 111 (Western
Civilization) this fall (I'm starting my freshman year of college), and
I was so happy to see that WWII is in the book. I think it's the most
interesting war, and personally, the only war we had business being in.
Both of my grandfathers participated in wwii; my maternal grandfather
was in the US Army, and my paternal grandfather was in the US Air
Force. I forget where the Air Force had Papa (paternal grandfather)
stationed, but the Army put Granddad in the Pacific. I'm so glad
Granddad wasn't at Pearl Harbor, because I saw the special on the
National Geographic Channel, and I was so disturbed by it. I kept
thinking that if Granddad had been there, I wouldn't be here, because
my mother wasn't born until 1949.
Granddad was only 22 when Pearl Harbor was attacked, and Papa was 23.
If either had been killed, I wouldn't be here. It is because of them
that I respect the WWII generation and study the period so much.

yes my granfather was an army ranger and SRG. MAJ of the 101 airborne of the american army. im proud he went in to protect future generations of people. he was there at d-day and meny more battles.

Quote by SharinganKnightwell, in the beginning of the war, the world, especially the US, wasn't
sure where the true porpuse of it all really lied, so no action was
taken to prevent a simple rebellion to grow into a World War.
Unfourtunally for us, Hitler's amazing abilities to convince those
around him, that waht he wanted to achive was right, led the "simple
rebellion" into a "world war".

yes and he felt that the germans were only fit to rule (funney thing is that he saw the japanese as good as the germans were in life)

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Quote by SharinganKnightactually, we were years ahead of the germans,
simply because of the A-Bombs ;) the Nazi's made their first mistake
when they invaded Russia in the winter, fools froze to death, after
that everything came down hill for poor Adolf. But, if they BY ANY
chance, would've taken Russia, Im sure the US would resort to dropping
a few of their babies on them.


I agree. That'll be one of Hitler's greatest mistake if he had done
that. And to simply think that US is neutral at that time... weird...

well Hitler was also parinoid but he was an idiot to thankfully. we could of killed him about 3-4 times actually. one time he was alone and there was a british sniper there but the british sniper wasnt orderd to shoot him so hitler got away. sad isnt it.

i think WW2 was one of the best wars cause it acomplished alot of things at the end. everyone is better now. look at germany, the nazi party is gone(well the strong hold at least) and they care about the people now and they arnt racists now. the japs have been doing fine to. we get along with europe fine now(well at least not hating eatch other) and the goverments have changed alot to support the people now.

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Anyone here knows that Hitler's an Austrian?


I knew that, I also reckon he was half jewish and had only one nut.

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Quote by SharinganKnightwell, in the beginning of the war, the world,
especially the US, wasn't
sure where the true porpuse of it all really lied, so no action was
taken to prevent a simple rebellion to grow into a World War.
Unfourtunally for us, Hitler's amazing abilities to convince those
around him, that waht he wanted to achive was right, led the "simple
rebellion" into a "world war".

yes and he felt that the germans
were only fit to rule (funney thing is that he saw the japanese as good
as the germans were in life)

I hardly think people who can so easily be convinced of something as crazy as a perfect race ruling over the world, is near fit to rule over the rest of us.

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Quote by SharinganKnighttrust me, that really didn't matter the minute the Manhattan project
was announced a success, and even Hitler knew he had lost by then.


But then they also had the plan on that one bomb hitting New York. I forgot what it was suppost to be but the explosion was suppost to be way bigger then the atomic bomb. Something about using to much of some sort of chemical...

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Anyone here knows that Hitler's an Austrian?


yeah I know he's Austrain. I think it was because of his past that made him so evil. I mean being stuck in in the trenches of WWI would have made me crazy also.

Quote by bobobobyes and you are wrong in a way. they did drop the bombs to scare the army of japan. they droped the nukes on hirosima and nagasaki cause it would scare the hell out of the japs and the cities werent superimportant. yes they had civilians in the cities but if they bombed those, it wouldnt distroy the culture or the japs socicaty.


That's ture. To make the Japanese serender. Seems as if they didn't give up to easy. Iwo for example. 21,000 died on such a little island. I could only imagin what the main land would have been...

Quote: yes my granfather was an army ranger and SRG. MAJ of the 101 airborne of the american army. im proud he went in to protect future generations of people. he was there at d-day and meny more battles.


Ahh... Yes another person I see eye to eye with. Kinda funny how Easy Company was so popular name back then. Not only was it used for the paratroopers but also for the division that hit the beaches of Iwo.

Quote: yes and he felt that the germans were only fit to rule (funney thing is that he saw the japanese as good as the germans were in life)


Hmmm... I actually think he was using the Japanese. The Japanese had actually sent pictures of what they had done to Hitler and they where just discusted on what they had done.

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it would be such a long post>.< so I would just shorten it to talk about the main thoughts>.< anyway I just watched pearl harbor yesterday! you know the one with ben, and josh harrett? it was so sad, but I loved it... the japanese.. well it was cruel, for the reason, and attacking the chinese. if you go see it documentary it will have you having nightmares for months. they just kill people for fun, lined them up and just shot them while laughing>.< insanity. well about hilter, he was an evil man with a great skill... yeah a great skill, if he didn;t have such an ability to give a speech so well, and so pursvasive, the massive killings would have never accured.. lol ahh sorry.. just saw SharinganKnighta's post! >.< for the bombs.. I'm out, just not words to describe it...

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Quote by SharinganKnightwell, in the beginning of the war, the world,
especially the US, wasn't
sure where the true porpuse of it all really lied, so no action was
taken to prevent a simple rebellion to grow into a World War.
Unfourtunally for us, Hitler's amazing abilities to convince those
around him, that waht he wanted to achive was right, led the "simple
rebellion" into a "world war".

yes and he felt that the germans
were only fit to rule (funney thing is that he saw the japanese as good
as the germans were in life)


I hardly think people who can so easily be convinced of something as
crazy as a perfect race ruling over the world, is near fit to rule over
the rest of us.

i know, but hitler is sad. no one race or person is perfect for ruling. it has to be alot of people from all diffrent backgrounds(like the poor, the rich, ect) to hold a goverment

I disagree, I think taht through the gift, we know as science, a perfect being CAN be created. One who is as physically fit as the africans, mentally fit as the asians, etc. I could go on mentioning characteristics from each race, yes, I realize this makes me a racist, tbu aren't we all? simply by admitting that there is more than one race, we are racist.

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Quote by Cadiit would be such a long post&gt;.&lt; so I would just shorten it to
talk about the main thoughts&gt;.&lt; anyway I just watched pearl
harbor yesterday! you know the one with ben, and josh harrett? it was
so sad, but I loved it... the japanese.. well it was cruel, for the
reason, and attacking the chinese. if you go see it documentary it will
have you having nightmares for months. they just kill people for fun,
lined them up and just shot them while laughing&gt;.&lt; insanity. well
about hilter, he was an evil man with a great skill... yeah a great
skill, if he didn;t have such an ability to give a speech so well, and
so pursvasive, the massive killings would have never accured.. lol ahh
sorry.. just saw SharinganKnighta's post! &gt;.&lt; for the bombs.. I'm
out, just not words to describe it...


Caid I agree with you. What the Japanese did was just wrong. Not only in the Rape of Namking (horrble spelling) but what they also did with out pilots. What they did was just unspeakable. Nothing can decribe it... Sure the Nasi killed millions of Jews but the Japanese would just poke fun at you and do horrible things.

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Oh yeah.

The Japanese made their greatest mistake when they attacked Pearl Harbor. After that, US made their move and got back to Asia and freed some nations to help them (Philippines is one of them). And they blasted off the A-Bomb on Japan.

Well, in my opinion about the Pearl Harbor attack, US made their mistake by not being alert. They could've prevented that if they were more alert...

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Quote by AkaikenOh yeah.
The Japanese made their greatest mistake when they attacked Pearl
Harbor. After that, US made their move and got back to Asia and freed
some nations to help them (Philippines is one of them). And they
blasted off the A-Bomb on Japan.
Well, in my opinion about the Pearl Harbor attack, US made their
mistake by not being alert. They could've prevented that if they were
more alert...


Yeah but if only the Japanese could have typed faster. x_x As what I said they did send America a Warning that they where gonna attack but it came in to late. By that time it was already done.

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its the same.. just cruel>.<it was the same thing in german also, they chased people into the streets.. told them to run and shot them one by one. in china it was just massive, whole villiages of people killed, raped by Japenese soldiers. they just locked them up and burnted them to death, torture, it was just unspeakable... wahh>.< just so cruel

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Quote by Cadiits the same.. just cruel&gt;.&lt;it was the same thing in german also,
they chased people into the streets.. told them to run and shot them
one by one. in china it was just massive, whole villiages of people
killed, raped by Japenese soldiers. they just locked them up and
burnted them to death, torture, it was just unspeakable...
wahh&gt;.&lt; just so cruel


Yeah but that's just the way war is. As I quoted before by Robert E. Lee "It is good that war is so horrible, or we might grow to like it."

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Quote by Cadiits the same.. just cruel&amp;gt;.&amp;lt;it was the same thing in german also,
they chased people into the streets.. told them to run and shot them
one by one. in china it was just massive, whole villiages of people
killed, raped by Japenese soldiers. they just locked them up and
burnted them to death, torture, it was just unspeakable...
wahh&amp;gt;.&amp;lt; just so cruel


Yeah but that's just the way war is. As I quoted before by Robert E. Lee "It is good that war is so horrible, or we might grow to like it."

Well, you're right...

And also...

"In every war, there is no winner"

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WWII is definately one of the most interesting wars in my opinion. Well, THE most interesting one.

I find it amazing how well the Axis powers dominated their enemies, and how swiftly the allies overthrew them. I find it amazing how Hitler was able to practically brainwash the German people into doing horrible things, and how they saw how obvioius it was that they were being fooled when the war was over.

I also think that if today's American troops had half the enthusiasm, confidence and determination as the forces of WWII seem to have had, we would have done a much better job in Iraq, and possibly even be victorious without most of the bloodshed.

Quote by DyvaithWWII is definately one of the most interesting wars in my opinion.
Well, THE most interesting one.
I find it amazing how well the Axis powers dominated their enemies, and
how swiftly the allies overthrew them. I find it amazing how Hitler was
able to practically brainwash the German people into doing horrible
things, and how they saw how obvioius it was that they were being
fooled when the war was over.


Ture it's almost amazing how Hitler did that. Maybe he was just a person that knew how to get into other people?

Quote: I also think that if today's American troops had half the enthusiasm,
confidence and determination as the forces of WWII seem to have had, we
would have done a much better job in Iraq, and possibly even be
victorious without most of the bloodshed.


Ture but that's cause there not as praized like how they where in 1940s. I mean after the whole flag rasing in Iwo moral back home bosted up like hell. But now you have these peace loving people who don't support the comman soilder.

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Hitler's crazy and he hates Jews so he did that Genocide!

Every Jew, men, women, old, children were on the chamber and they started to pouring poisonous gas inside that killed all of them...

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Quote by AkaikenHitler's crazy and he hates Jews so he did that Genocide!
Every Jew, men, women, old, children were on the chamber and they
started to pouring poisonous gas inside that killed all of them...


Ture but that's not the only thing that they did with the Jews. But the Germans where just emotionless. Unlike the Japanese. They where the crazy ones I beleave. It seems as if a lot of you know the Europen story but the war in the Pacific was much worst.

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Quote by Berserker13WWII = ppl dying = unhapiness = revenge = more ppl
dying = Atomic bombs
dropped on Nagasaki/Hiroshima = 2 cities obliviated = (forgot # of ppl
that died in the 2 attacks) = surrender
The continuous circle of Death and Despair "Makes you wonder if it will
only end when your enemy is totally destroyed" -Desert Tiger
well.....my point is the US didn't have to drop the bombs
(Fatman/Little Boy) since they knew Japan was losing
anyway.............but they did to make their point/TEST out their new
toy..........i think the drop of the bombs were wrong cuz of all the
deaths it created + they were 99% civillians not soldiers
..........................the attack on Pearl Harbor was targeted on
SOLDIERS/war related equipment not civillians

yes and you are
wrong in a way. they did drop the bombs to scare the army of japan.
they droped the nukes on hirosima and nagasaki cause it would scare the
hell out of the japs and the cities werent superimportant. yes they had
civilians in the cities but if they bombed those, it wouldnt distroy
the culture or the japs socicaty.

cities weren't superimportant? destroy the culture? i think you are wrong there. There are no cities that aren't important, and they drop a bomb in a city the culture of the city is kappoooff also. which mean a part of the culture in japan is lost...lets say japan drop a nuke on Texas. you think part of american culture will be lost?! every city every town big or small has it's own value on the world. :)

By the way...who really build the nukes? is it all american brains? or is it with germans / euro scientist who actually make the nukes? I think i saw it on discovery years back but i forgot if its about the nuke though.

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>.<

I personally have a great interest in WW2 history, and luv seeing WW2 era stuff at museums/air shows and such :D

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