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Ecchi: Yes or Not?

You agree to this MT' decision?

NO
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YES
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I DON'T KNOW
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Anime-fan

Anime-fan

Anime-fan

Notice for the MT's Staff:

I don't want to be polemic but I hope to be able
to express my opinion without censorships...

From an Administrator's Post:

Just to let you know, Minitokyo's mature content policy is going to become stricter this week, due to complaints from members and advertisers.

Any submission's deemed innapropriate for family content must be deleted, so please do not be alarmed by the sudden deletions, regardless to however long you have had them in your gallery.

Anything found to be pornographic, mature or suggestive in nature will be deleted- this means everything except clothed [bikini's are fine, as long as they aren't taking them off in the submission] characters.

In short, please do not take this as a personal attack on your submissions, but a necessary cleaning of the site in order to make our members and sponsors happy

When the alternative is for MT to shut down, I don't see how you can really disagree with their decision. In an ideal world they wouldn't be forced to make the choice, but hey that's life, get used to it.

Anime-fan

Anime-fan

Anime-fan

Maybe they can make an apposite section whit a secret password for this kinds of work...

But then if the sponsors were to find out, you have the same problem. Silly to take such a risk, with the possibility of ruining the site for all the users who use the other sections.

Anime-fan

Anime-fan

Anime-fan

Ok it's right...

and i dont want an Hentai section. I'm trying to say that beetwen Hentai and Ecchi exist a little difference and in MT i have never found Hentai material... i don't understand where is the trouble.

Devildude

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the thing is that well it works under the rule of real life.
If you in a country that outlaws smoking, of course you can't smoke, cause the larger power is in countrol of the whole scene. So if Google decides they wanna go gay and push this limit at us, too bad.
And this is the wrong thread in the wrong place, plus, this issue is already being discussed, you can voice your opinions there.

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Neither do I, really, in fact from an advertiser's perspective causing the removal of site content actually reduces site traffic, so they're getting less coverage. I guess they seem to think that their product/service would get associated with adult imagery, and they don't want that. Pretty stupid really.

I just don't understand what the complaints were about. There was no sexual imagry or nudity of any sort on this site. In fact, I would have to say this was the MOST "family friendly" anime image site on the net. Do people really get offended THAT easily anymore?

And what exactly entails "suggestive"? ANYTHING can be "suggestive" if you have a dirty mind.

I understand MT's decision because they can't pay the bills w/o the ads but I think this is a sad day when people are so offended by even the SUGGESTION of the human body in ART no less.

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tanteikun

tanteikun

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Hi, You have posted in the wrong forum

If you have complaints, please direct to
http://forum.minitokyo.net/thread/38205/complaints-deleted-images-warnings-bans

If you need a serious discussion on ecchi/hentai images, please go to
http://forum.minitokyo.net/thread/38639/ecchi-pics-updated-as-time-goes/8/?highlight=ecchi#p917357

The policy can be found at
http://forum.minitokyo.net/thread/45064/deletions-mature-content

If you have any concern, you need to follow the guidelines

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i think ecchi's pictures should be allowed, because it's not pornography. there's nothing shocking about it. are people afraid of those pictures or what? if there was a special topic for ecchi (and not hentai) that would be great, because it's a aspect of manga, wether one's like it or not...

Well it might not be pornographic, but personally there are some pictures on here that I would definitely not want young children to see. And that kind of image is what creates the problem.

I think it should be allowed, (of course not Hentai which is inappropriate) what this basically is doingis restricting peoples freedom of speach here, and there could be a lot worse people may see. Quite frankly I think Minitokyo's advertisers are being being little dictators. They have no idea of what anime conisists of the see cute little characters on the screen and assume it is all for kids. And another thing that really tics me off about this is the fact that they are the ones trying to make money out of us and then turn around and try to dictate to the people that they are trying to get money from this is what you should look at this is what you should read. Now that is basically the way I see it. And Minitokyo has to this or they get no money.

I think that we are big enough and old enough to deem what is right and what is wrong and as for the other people that are on this site that have been offened with some of the images. (some perhaps justified some not) I have no idea how you manage to watch any anime what so ever with out saying that is just wrong etc etc. There aren't too many that don't have fan service. So I have had my say and people flame away if you disagree but the people that find the pictures that are offensive you can see the thumbnails don't click on them for the love of peace.


And also you say a children look at this site what in the hell are kids doing and I mean in the (5 to 12 year age bracket) (and I am using this as an example) browsing the internet without parental supervision. The internet is not a babysitting tool.

leosama84

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well, even though ecchi is a favourite to everyone, i think that such a suggestion is good. but if they deleted "everything", the members might be a little sad, but they'll get over it soon ^_^...

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ecchi isn't something to be too worried about. :\ it's true that it's a pleasure for most people and i doubt that children would really have interest in it. sure. they'd retain members but they'll also lose members.

Quote: However, I would like to remind all that the ecchi support community takes up about a whooping 40% of the community here (NOT inclusive of yours truly), it may be detrimental to membership participation in the future, no matter how you look at it.


thanks

now let's compare numbers

people in ecchi groups: ~1200
people in anti-ecchi groups: ~120
the proportion would be 120-12
to even bother be in a group, i'd say they're pretty active. i guess it'd be safe to say that there would inevitably be more that like ecchi than not with the rest of the ~250,000 members. the poll here only asks how many agree with the decision of MT there are some that say it's ok to them even though they like ecchi.

there would be quite an inactivity that should arouse that means less clicks on the ads which means less income. there has got to be a better way :\ google isn't the only advertising company and if it were then google will be all over the place.. on tv, newspapers and billboards O_o. they're also being hypocrites. google is obviously one of the most used tools to find porn and like. :hmpf:

Anime-fan

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Anime-fan

Hi Again

I don't want to begin a polemic, i'm just asking to make a distinction beetwen the true Hentai and the ours Ecchi works...

Afrterall, if i want Hentai's material i don't search it here in MT. I go to Google and and type "hentai"

Ky

Ky

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Quote by ShujaaWell it might not be pornographic, but personally there are some pictures on here that I would definitely not want young children to see. And that kind of image is what creates the problem.

Why the hell would your young children be on this site to begin with? If they do find something that isn't PG, it's not MTs fault for hosting it. It's your fault as a parent who didn't keep a close eye on their children on the INTERNET, the MOST dangerous place for children.

Seriously, the images here were, at worst, PG13. And that's what I see the general MT audience as, teens, or somewhere in their twenties. There's more explicit stuff on regular TV.

ecchi=comic mischief=meloncoly=intimidation yep :/

Devildude

Devildude

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jeez...though I may not agree, but the irony actually strays with Google actually.
If you type all the search, anything at all, you probably find more porn on Google.
Honestly, I think MT should be around 18+ in most extreme cases of ecchi. But of course, if you name the site as an "art" site, than the general reference is that MT will NOT accept any potential "non-art" like presentation of ecchi.
Which this fine line itself cannot be defined as which is for oogling and which is for art.
Here if you compare to this.
A woman stripping, this can be art as well, because the scan itself is RAW material, nobody is forcing the said art as "for oogling" cause the possibility is that I can wall it. In fact, all scans can be walled, it is a matter of how you are doing it.
However, defining this ecchi as potential harmful material, is not the case. Because there is no definition on what can be "potential harmful material that cannot be used as the raw material for artistic purpose"

If however, one mentions the raw artwork with a bikini (an extreme one) is for walling and can be suitable for "family safe" then where goes this "artistic measurement of nudity"? Where is this fine line between able to obtain artistic or non-artistic material for walling as the source? Where does it determines the general nudity is not deemed as " artistically suitable for the gallery for all rounded family fun"?
I seriously would like that definition.

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Quote by Ky

Quote by ShujaaWell it might not be pornographic, but personally there are some pictures on here that I would definitely not want young children to see. And that kind of image is what creates the problem.

Why the hell would your young children be on this site to begin with? If they do find something that isn't PG, it's not MTs fault for hosting it. It's your fault as a parent who didn't keep a close eye on their children on the INTERNET, the MOST dangerous place for children.

Seriously, the images here were, at worst, PG13. And that's what I see the general MT audience as, teens, or somewhere in their twenties. There's more explicit stuff on regular TV.

Young children are, like it or not, attracted to cartoon-ish and colourful imagery. Whether or not the children SHOULD be on the site is nothing to do with it, my point is that I personally think some Ecchi should not be viewed by them, and hence I can understand why an advertiser might have come to the view that it would give them a bad image. Obviously that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with their view.

belmikry

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belmikry

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you guys, echii is still allowed, just not borderline hentai- all we did was remove the really down right raunchy stuff, echii is still here, we have just redfiened whats echii and what's hentai-

I happen to love artistic nudes, I'm an art major- primarily in figure drawing, so I understand your concerns about censorship- but, I've had to delete a vast majority of my submissions because of this as well, its not just because a small amount of MT doesn't want to see echii, it's because it's becoming a problem which potentially could make MT non-existant.
I don't want to see that- and besides, you can find hentai and hard core echii anywhere, and yes on google.
MT is defined as an all ages site, and thus is the understanding of our sponsors- so we can't go on saying google is being hypocritical, because that isn't the case- we have been too lenient on our definition of all ages submissions and it needs to be fixed- can you pelase understand that?
you can still submit your works on say threads or in the echii group pages, but not in the Minitokyo gallery- use a third party host, but if you are only worried about credits, i'm sorry but this isn't going to be good news.

Look, Minitokyo changes as the months go by- originally hentai was allowed on MT, now it isn't- we had people upset then too, but one day once MT evolves into whatever it becomes, it may resurface- who knows? all I can say is that regardless of our opinions, this is the reality for now- later, we should all get together and discuss the matter at hand, define what is allowed and what should be. The mods have been working hard together to figure out a way to make the situation better for all members involved, not just a select few- and no, we haven't come up with a fantastic decision for everyone to be happy, but we are trying- day by day, updates happen, and changes occur. We have come up with ideas on making MT work for you as well as our sponsors and everyone involved, so don't assume we are not listening to your complaints. But please, be supportive for now- and we can start picking up the torn bits and making MT into a fun community, ok?

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why not make what we see dependant on our age ( sure people will just say they are 18, but it would be leaglly viable would it not? )

Devildude

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hah...if only disguising age is not so easy on the internets.

anyway, I am ok with this now, it is just a temporary flux with the gallery items, but for now, I will refrain from reporting stuffs, cause I myself am not too sure what is allowed or what is not, however, I think it has to be done.

Oh well, harsh reality eh, live by the rules of the house fully understandable.
Disregard my earlier post, what said there is not really relevant as in the other thread, it has been explained, what follows now is well...let us see what is gonna happen.

Guys and fellas, if you all feel like it is necessary, you can always go to 4chan, I myself am a poster there, so be sure to have some fun while MT go for its changes, hopefully I can see a better future ahead.

Currently, I guess we can't do much but wait and give a certain degree of silent support, as for the rest, I think well, let us not continue whining, we can always whine our hearts out elsewhere...(not that I encourage badmouthing MT, we just gotta go with the flow especially when powers are involved, such as Google right now)

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Quote by belmikryyou guys, echii is still allowed, just not borderline hentai- all we did was remove the really down right raunchy stuff, echii is still here, we have just redfiened whats echii and what's hentai-


Hi Belmikry I have to say with you saying you are redefining what is ecchi and what is hentai means you are casting what is defined in a dictionary out the door and saying that definition is wrong, I can't see how you can do that. And also with google saying that because this is an all ages site that you can't have certain images on here, is the height of aggrogance seening as they are an all ages site but you can get some of the dirtiest porn on the internet if you so choose to go looking for it. If they are so uptight about it they should practice what they preach and filter out everysingle porn site that you can access through their internet search engine simple as that. If they want to be a leader then they should lead by example.

Devildude

Devildude

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Still let me put it this way, MT does NOT control Google, sadly enough.
Google is the boss, think of it this way, if your boss decides to throw the book at you and fire you for not obeying company "settings" or "stated procedures and standards" however vague, opposing in ideology as the company practices in reality or whatsoever, the Boss can do that. Generally, harshly to sum it up, an employee works under the company's rules and regulations set, even if the company itself doesn't really do them and are hypocrites, the fact is as long as you are under the roof of that company, you are required to comply.

MT is under Google, so too bad on that until (if any chance) some other better or presumably more understanding sponsor decides to take up the deal, maybe yahoo, walmart (if ever), heck...even MSN or any other enterprise, that is the sad fact that we will take up with new implementations.

For your information, I myself do not really agree with the definition, but however, if it was deemed as such, I cannot complain, as this is MT at the stake of the sponsor, and if they should pull the plug, too bad, the end of all things.

I can only hope in the future, as the dust settles, some of them can be restored, and so, making MT galleries rich once more (with was has been deleted that is).

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