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Ecchi: Yes or Not?

You agree to this MT' decision?

NO
58 votes
YES
56 votes
I DON'T KNOW
11 votes

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DestinyValiantAnimeAngel

In the name of Anime

Damn, I should've voted yes but I wrote I don't know instead >_> Well heres what i think, its not a big deal ecchi that is. MT just wants to make it a safe environment to all users and themselves. And ecchi/hentai is of course close to pornographic, I mean, it depends on the type of picture its showing us, if its a chick in a hot bathing suit in a position for seduction, seems to be "normal" ecchi but if ya see one with her breast uncovered that should be considered something close to pornographic cause then what else is it, I mean, seeing an anime girl revealing herself?

Although, IMO, Ecchi and Hentai is still considered anime to me and I respect that, if anyone else likes it (Hell even if its a three year old) go ahead, its your choice to like it or not. And the way MT is now about this subject, theres no need to change it. And what anyone else says about Google half true XD But remember, it is a search engine to help as find stuff, its us that should count on whats found from google XD

But for a sum up, like I said, Ecchi and Hentai to me is still considered anime, which is why I have no problem to it.

Devildude I am not saying anything about Google being controlled by MT not once. What I have said is that if they wish to dictate what MT is to have and havenot on their website they should set the same example and purge all pornagraphic sites from their database. They wish to say what people should or should not be looking at on this site then they should lead by example or they should just keep there opinions to themselves. It is the the height of hypocrisy for them to dictate the rules to us if they are not going to abide by those rules themselves.

Devildude

Devildude

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hahah...my point exactly, you think they will ever do that?
I doubt it greatly, especially not when u have the biggest search engine that is like links to 1000001 and porn sites for all the adults across 6 billion population of the world...No way.
To lead by example, I think it doesn't work even for companies with a certain degree of leadership, it is a matter of whether things work in the long run for them or not.
Again, well....we cannot do nothing.

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It's not just Google that is the problem, somehow I don't think Google itself cares what's on the sites that it links to, but the advertisers that Google uses DO care, so hence Google would have to make sure that the conditions they set are met, and if that includes a website being "for all ages" to get the certain advertiser deal then that's what has to be followed.

SekiRyuu

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seriously, what person under 14 years old would be browsing this site? the majority of anime is PG13 up

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Devildude

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Don't assume that kids who uses internets don't visit 4chan lol, it is the same here, who knows, you can type in "barney" or "teletubbies" and it might still one way or the other lead you here....

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SweetGrl

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I don't think ecchi should be allowed cuz it's just gross. There's people out there that think the same thing too. Not just because i am a girl that i don't like ecchi. It just grosses me out a lot. And i hate it when i browse the gallery, there's always some ecchi there. :P For my opinion, Minitokyo would be a more safer and better place without ecchi but that's just my opinion. I am not saying that Minitokyo is bad, it's just the ecchi that's inappropriate. I am sorry if you guys disagree with me but that's just what i believe.

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Quote: Hi Belmikry I have to say with you saying you are redefining what is ecchi and what is hentai means you are casting what is defined in a dictionary out the door and saying that definition is wrong, I can't see how you can do that

well, actually when we made the sections we used words from the Japanese, such as doujinshi [indy art] hentai, echii etc- and defined what is and what is not for the purposes of this site in particular- basically it's impossible to define each individual image of art as one thing or the next, you need to find ground lines as such for organizing and the like. This is a form of organizing, not redfining words for our benefit- Like any site, in order to be online and organized, we need to make rules and guidelines of what is and is not allowed- these are modified as needed to provide the best site possible, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad.

And, we can't really just blame the sponsors- it's their rules, and we have to play by them- Minitokyo was originally made as an all ages site, so we need to stick by their organization rules, just like we have to stick to ours, regardless of what we like/don't like. Sites on google which state all ages most likely get warnings too if they are sponsoring, so please don't assume they are picking on us in general-

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I believe that the Echhi should be accepted, provided it is of good pleasure. I believe that somehow we like to all the illustrations that demonstrate some sensuality. I repeat, without lining in the impudent thing.

Ky

Ky

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Quote by Ky

Quote by ShujaaWell it might not be pornographic, but personally there are some pictures on here that I would definitely not want young children to see. And that kind of image is what creates the problem.

Why the hell would your young children be on this site to begin with? If they do find something that isn't PG, it's not MTs fault for hosting it. It's your fault as a parent who didn't keep a close eye on their children on the INTERNET, the MOST dangerous place for children.

Seriously, the images here were, at worst, PG13. And that's what I see the general MT audience as, teens, or somewhere in their twenties. There's more explicit stuff on regular TV.

Young children are, like it or not, attracted to cartoon-ish and colourful imagery. Whether or not the children SHOULD be on the site is nothing to do with it, my point is that I personally think some Ecchi should not be viewed by them, and hence I can understand why an advertiser might have come to the view that it would give them a bad image. Obviously that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with their view.

No, children being here has everything to do with it. That's like saying the video game industry is responsible for all the youth violence today, instead of poor parenting. And you know that just isn't true (unless you're actually naive enough to believe that crap). Same principle here. If you don't want your children looking at ecchi images, then there's quite a simple solution : Keep them away from it. It's actually far more reasonable than censorship. And this doesn't apply to MT/Googles policy as well. It's just advise to otherwise crappy parenting.

Feenixdeathdeal

Feenixdeathdeal

"Demonic Typhoon"

I say Ecchi is Ecchi and Hentai is Hentai and we apparently have a large section of Ecchi images and scans and this will obviously upset quite a few users here because they submit things in this area and participate there.

I could honestly care less for the Hentai but Ecchi is nice to admire and look at and most of the images are pleasing to the eyes but i wouldn't say that its Hentai althous some of the better scans and images are more "revealing" or "appealing" but to can them is kinda unfair.

Now i have to go find and PM users who may still have their submissions that were Quarantined now and its a big hassle...perhaps there could be some way to place those "questionable" scans and submissions into a certain spot or area for those who still wanted them...?

well i don't really know what to say >.<. ecchi has always been in the anime/manga business since manga means irresponsible pictures or sumthin like that. i personally think that anime/manga itself should not be seen by children except for the kiddy ones since a lot of them are like... PG13+. ecchi is ok to me but not hardcore ecchi that's almost hentai or hentai itself O_o. i think i would agree to Feenixdeathdeal's suggestion.

AWOL

AWOL

"SING IT EASY!"

From the polls I can see that we have a close tie now; those who agree go forward with it, and those who don't... well, oppose it strongly.

Honestly I really can't be bothered if this decision does not shut MT down in future. It all boils down to personal preference, and the site is supposed to cater to these preferences, and if it doesn't, we can always try other sites....

Devildude

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well like said, it would be best for an international art site whether or not to satisfy the hunger for "higher" ecchi depending on the overall demand of the members of course, I mean, if like the bigger bunch prefers to have them, of course it is wise to have them served, but of course, yet again, policy is the house order, so no complaints is gonna work on this one, at least until Google decides to stop breathing down the necks of the site runners, otherwise, well, we might as well be dead.
If there is one thing however, this helps the site to stay alive and with the massive deletions, helps the site to be viewed more fairly for anime fans all over who go for google searches, it could gain more reputation for being "clean" among the clean lovers.

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AWOL

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"SING IT EASY!"

^ Yes, yes. gaining a positive reputation would be ideal, of course. Nobody in their right mind would want to be blacklisted; then what about those who voted MT's decision to be flawed? Does it mean those people are out to ruin MT's image on the net?

If the answer is yes, then, perhaps those people may have to change their stand, for not of the love of MT.

KingTobo

Scribbleh

As much as I'm always up for some ecchi, if the alternative is having this site shut down, well then I'd rather have no ecchi!

Anime-fan

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Anime-fan

Google is the Boss? then why whit google i'm able to find all kinds of hentai that i want?!?

Yesterday i have had 6 Wallpapers deleted! The moderators have considered they all hentai?!?

I picked yes. If the sponsors aren't happy, the site will likely hit some hard times or shut down. With that and the fact that I'm not really here for ecchi content... the decision's fine with me. I'm not a fan of censorship in general, but it's not like there aren't plenty of other of places on the internet for ecchi fun...

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No, children being here has everything to do with it. That's like saying the video game industry is responsible for all the youth violence today, instead of poor parenting. And you know that just isn't true (unless you're actually naive enough to believe that crap). Same principle here. If you don't want your children looking at ecchi images, then there's quite a simple solution : Keep them away from it. It's actually far more reasonable than censorship. And this doesn't apply to MT/Googles policy as well. It's just advise to otherwise crappy parenting.

You're missing the point, it's advertisers who are concerned about their OWN image, not the well being of children who visit the site. The advertisers don't want their company or product to be associated with certain imagery. I remember a similar thing with computer racing games where some car manufacturers didn't want to allow their car to be used in the game if the game featured damage to be shown on the car, because they think it would damage the image of their product to allow it to be shown all smashed up.

I was talking about the images not being "child safe" to counter someone's point that they should all be allowed because they see nothing wrong with the images, and my opinion is that there is something wrong with the images in that they are not child safe >_>

Devildude

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Quote by AWOL^ Yes, yes. gaining a positive reputation would be ideal, of course. Nobody in their right mind would want to be blacklisted; then what about those who voted MT's decision to be flawed? Does it mean those people are out to ruin MT's image on the net?

If the answer is yes, then, perhaps those people may have to change their stand, for not of the love of MT.

again, that is not necessarily true, while the site naturally wants to make the users happy as a whole, it is wrong to simply state that just because it is not "art" like, things will be removed from being the source provider.
I am not sure, but for the love of MT wise, I think people should know that contributing to the community does not mean flooding it with explicit scans, although i enjoy them a lot, i would seriously hate to see it go down just like that.

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Kadath

Kadath

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Honestly, when I first discovered MT, and started using it as a resource DB for drawing references, I got quite frustrated by the huge quantity of ecchi (more or less) pictures in proportion to more common subjects. This is not 'cause i have any problems in seeing ecchi images (c'mon, if you have you shouldn't turn on tv, nor read any magazine because of advertising... you should neither walk outside home, because of ad billboards and so on). Jeez, finding a single manga or anime without any ecchi here or there is itself an hard task. Those kind of subjects, poses, style, are an integrant part of the whole japanese manga art. It was because, not loving it, i had no interest in these subjects for drawing, and they just got in my way (and you know, sometimes just to load a single page on MT you have to wait quite a lot).

So, less ecchi images should be desirable for my convenience and tastes. And, maybe, it is, but i see two big issues in the way its being done.

1 - As I said, a large percentage of pictures posted on MT (scans, walls, doujinshi everything) has more or less ecchi flavour. Blindly erasing everything would mean both erasing at least 2/3 of pictures with female subjects and probably a considerable loss of users (not only the ones displeased by an heavy cutting of their galleries, but also many "common" users). If this is just a sponsor problem, well, imposing this will not be to their advantage, really.

2 - You may say that these erasings are not "blind" as I stated before. Well, I'm just stating what seems to be a fact, IMO. There are many "heavy ecchi" pictures around, and i can understand their deletion, but I've seen also many totally "innocent" pictures die in the censorship void. Here is an example http://digilander.libero.it/Eanur/lucy.jpg

(NOTE : this is NOT the picture removed, it is only the same subject, pose and drawing, i just made a simple google - funny coincidence isn't it? - search to find this well known picture for the example.
BTW, to not seem unfair, i would like to specify that this was not a removal from my gallery, I never had a removal, mostly 'cause i just posted a couple of chast doujinshi).

Quote by belmikryyou guys, echii is still allowed, just not borderline hentai- all we did was remove the really down right raunchy stuff, echii is still here, we have just redfiened whats echii and what's hentai-

Now, has it anything ecchi? Is there anything that makes this picture potentially "offensive" to anyone? I find, personally, much more "provoking" that lil' girl on the top left frame of the MT layout, while i find this Lucy's picture and pose extremely beautiful, artistic, chast and meaningful.
Deleting such images and artworks from MT's database is and will be a major loss to the MT artistic quality overall. Or, maybe, even the Sistine Chapel and Michelangelo's David are offensive to a not well defined "sensibility"?

Now, i cannot evade a question that is bothering not only me, I'm sure : why are there these debatable removals? I can figure that, among the various moderators, there are different sensibilities (and nobody can tell what is "artistic" and what is not, that's for sure, but i find hard to believe that someone can find that Lucy's pic offensive in any way), and they cannot debate together (nor with the author) every possible removal, they have this work to do, but they should at least decide a clear, and hopefully more balanced, criteria in doing it, alltogether, BEFORE letting every single moderator make his decisions totally (as it seems to be) based on his personal tastes.

Or, maybe, they should try to do this work more carefully, 'cause it's likely that these anachronistical removals can be caused also by a lack of attention and care (I'm not blaming anyone, I can imagine how boring this kind of work can be, and how, in the big mess, many potential errors can happen).

Obviously, there's another eventuality. There can be other reasons behind this massive erasing we are experimenting. The need to lighten a lot the site. The site is slow, packed with pictures, we have seen recently other measures to this same aim. It wouldn't be strange the decision of, having also this sponsor issue at hand, seize the chance to "kill two birds with one stone". Nor it would be a bad decision itself.

If this is the case, and a cleaning is needed 'cause of more contingent factors, then welcome to the cleaning. But, then, state this clearly : seeing your work removed is not funny, maybe, but you can easily accept it if you know it is for a reason. Seeing it removed with an anachronistic excuse of it being "offensive" for its contents, when it is plainly not the case sounds really like a mock. You know, THIS is something that is really offensive.

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Quote by KadathHonestly, when I first discovered MT, and started using it as a resource DB for drawing references, I got quite frustrated by the huge quantity of ecchi (more or less) pictures in proportion to more common subjects. This is not 'cause i have any problems in seeing ecchi images (c'mon, if you have you shouldn't turn on tv, nor read any magazine because of advertising... you should neither walk outside home, because of ad billboards and so on). Jeez, finding a single manga or anime without any ecchi here or there is itself an hard task. Those kind of subjects, poses, style, are an integrant part of the whole japanese manga art. It was because, not loving it, i had no interest in these subjects for drawing, and they just got in my way (and you know, sometimes just to load a single page on MT you have to wait quite a lot).

So, less ecchi images should be desirable for my convenience and tastes. And, maybe, it is, but i see two big issues in the way its being done.

1 - As I said, a large percentage of pictures posted on MT (scans, walls, doujinshi everything) has more or less ecchi flavour. Blindly erasing everything would mean both erasing at least 2/3 of pictures with female subjects and probably a considerable loss of users (not only the ones displeased by an heavy cutting of their galleries, but also many "common" users). If this is just a sponsor problem, well, imposing this will not be to their advantage, really.

2 - You may say that these erasings are not "blind" as I stated before. Well, I'm just stating what seems to be a fact, IMO. There are many "heavy ecchi" pictures around, and i can understand their deletion, but I've seen also many totally "innocent" pictures die in the censorship void. Here is an example http://digilander.libero.it/Eanur/lucy.jpg

(NOTE : this is NOT the picture removed, it is only the same subject, pose and drawing, i just made a simple google - funny coincidence isn't it? - search to find this well known picture for the example.
BTW, to not seem unfair, i would like to specify that this was not a removal from my gallery, I never had a removal, mostly 'cause i just posted a couple of chast doujinshi).

Quote by belmikryyou guys, echii is still allowed, just not borderline hentai- all we did was remove the really down right raunchy stuff, echii is still here, we have just redfiened whats echii and what's hentai-

Now, has it anything ecchi? Is there anything that makes this picture potentially "offensive" to anyone? I find, personally, much more "provoking" that lil' girl on the top left frame of the MT layout, while i find this Lucy's picture and pose extremely beautiful, artistic, chast and meaningful.
Deleting such images and artworks from MT's database is and will be a major loss to the MT artistic quality overall. Or, maybe, even the Sistine Chapel and Michelangelo's David are offensive to a not well defined "sensibility"?

Now, i cannot evade a question that is bothering not only me, I'm sure : why are there these debatable removals? I can figure that, among the various moderators, there are different sensibilities (and nobody can tell what is "artistic" and what is not, that's for sure, but i find hard to believe that someone can find that Lucy's pic offensive in any way), and they cannot debate together (nor with the author) every possible removal, they have this work to do, but they should at least decide a clear, and hopefully more balanced, criteria in doing it, alltogether, BEFORE letting every single moderator make his decisions totally (as it seems to be) based on his personal tastes.

Or, maybe, they should try to do this work more carefully, 'cause it's likely that these anachronistical removals can be caused also by a lack of attention and care (I'm not blaming anyone, I can imagine how boring this kind of work can be, and how, in the big mess, many potential errors can happen).

Obviously, there's another eventuality. There can be other reasons behind this massive erasing we are experimenting. The need to lighten a lot the site. The site is slow, packed with pictures, we have seen recently other measures to this same aim. It wouldn't be strange the decision of, having also this sponsor issue at hand, seize the chance to "kill two birds with one stone". Nor it would be a bad decision itself.

If this is the case, and a cleaning is needed 'cause of more contingent factors, then welcome to the cleaning. But, then, state this clearly : seeing your work removed is not funny, maybe, but you can easily accept it if you know it is for a reason. Seeing it removed with an anachronistic excuse of it being "offensive" for its contents, when it is plainly not the case sounds really like a mock. You know, THIS is something that is really offensive.

i know how you feel.. :\ i know how hard and painstakingly long it is to make the artworks here even if one just scanned it since somebody had use their time to make it even the explicit ones. ~_~ seeing one's work rejected can be truly depressing just to remind people.

money shouldn't conquer art. i suggest that MT get (a) better/more sponsor(s) (if they can). allow donation through sumthin like paypal. >.< MT shouldn't shut down.. it holds the works of many people more importantly the brilliant ones which could be priceless.

azzumail

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yes of course :)

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