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Man in jail for anime porn

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Cammie

Cammie

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Real childspornography is disgusting and the people involved in that should be put in jail. But kiddyhentai is just as bad as regular hentai, which by my standards is just fine.

shoujoboy

shoujoboy

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This is always a subject that is easy to start finger pointing. What easier target is there than anime fans? Considering the majority of society still sees anime as nothing more than porn. Hell I get called porn boy all the time because I say I love anime. The guy in question is clearly a fan of the little girls. As it was previously stated in this forum, if it were only "loli" anime porn, it likely wouldn't have been enough to do anything to him. But he was a previous offender and he did have real children engaging in sexual acts. That's what did him in. Adding the anime porn part to the article adds to it's umph factor but also lets each reader form their own opinions, which is usualy an 'if then' statement. IF a person likes anime (or more particularly loli) THEN they too are perverts.

The plight of the anime fan... but who cares. If I gave two shits about what people thought of me, I would have no hobbies at all. This man was just a perv that happened to share (loosely) a common trait with us on these forums.

And that's my convoluted two cents.

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Let me just say, those who put down anime because of such a subject are simply ignorant. It isn't hentai's fault. It is the ignorance of the insulter. Therefore, ignore such petty comments.

Like I've said, society only suggests child pornography is wrong because it harms the child involved both physically and mentally. Whereas this does not exist with children. To say it is sick is just coming from the propaganda of the media and nothing more. The people who watch it have done nothing wrong and are not sick whatsoever.

I think they need to stop targeting those that watch child pornography and instead target those that MAKE the videos. Watching it is one thing, and I do think it is wrong and disgusting, but actually directing children to do this kind of stuff is a whole other matter. You're sick if you watch child pornography, but you're even sicker when you make child pornography.

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May, and may not be fair. It may not also be fair because there are more people like that, and they've never arrested those people. Some could even be worse.

I mean, why should he be charged if he for one, didn't make those porn things... it might've been easier to charge the man if they've charged the maker of those pictures...it was their fault it was all published anyway, so it seems like was entirely the man's fault and no one else's.

Well.. at some point, it is also fair to arrest him... I may be wrong with what I said too... ^^'

LigerZSchnider

LigerZSchnider

Litterbox Trained........

I might be the only one who noticed this but anyway.......

The guy was convicted of DL'ing "virtual" child pornography. In this case "virtual imagery is considered "life like as possible" if not real. I love to see some big eyed, purple haired children playing in the park....The person who posted this said it was "anime porn" a.k.a Hentai. Now child pornography is indeed sick, no doubt, but now you are smearing the line between Hentai and "virtual" child pornography. Once you succeed in accomplishing that, then its Ecchi, then Anime in general, for some anime has adult situated themes, such as Onegai Teacher.

All I am asking is that you don't "smear the lines". I am no big fan of hentai (that is like you really having relationship issues to get your jollies off that), but when you mis-represent articles and post a header like that, things will "snowball" into something no one wants. When I saw the post I actually some poor schmuck got busted for Hentai.......which is stupid and the court system need to be revamped. HOWEVER, the article told a different picture than what this header actually meant!

Just don't smear the lines. :D

"In the absence of orders, find something and kill it" - Erwin Rommel

Society is currently in a state of hysteria about paedophilia.

Let's say that someone tells you that they sometimes fantasise about murdering their boss. And someone else tells you that they sometimes fantasise about having sex with children.

1) Which of those admissions would you react more negatively to?

2) Would the relevant fantasy, if carried out, be a more serious crime than the other fantasy?

If you're a normal member of society, you'll probably answer "sex with children" and "no". To which the third question is then "so why"? Every answer I have ever seen to that question resolves to the reason that one fantasy is considered within the bounds of normality, and the other isn't.

Which makes it persecution of minorities.

Just look at any news report about someone who's had sex with children. Chances are, they will be described wholly by the label "paedophile". Now, a paedophile is someone with a particular sexual attraction. Being a paedophile is not a crime at all, and if it was, it would be a thought crime. And yet it's used as the normal label for a sexual child abuser! Such a strong assumption is made that this particular fantasy will inevitably be carried out, an assumption which is made for no other fantasy. And I have never seen anyone give a rational reason for such an assumption.

There is no significant difference between enjoying pictures of child sex made without actually photographing real children, and enjoying pictures of serious violence, made without actually committing violence on someone. It's just one is common, and the other is rare.

Wait, does this mean that I should start deleting my 20+ GB of Porn on my comp? Some of the characters seem to be 13 but all look like in their 20s, even the 9 year olds look like freaking 18 at least...

Yes, I'm a dirty Perv.

Due to the fact that the artist of such "animation." Has the right to create such, the view has the right to view it as equally. But this can be equally said about pornography in general. And because of that even animated child pornography should still be charged. I just don't get why people would bust the perverts and the second rate pirates rather than the people who do the most damage towards societe (ie: real hackers, and pirates with a message.) Don't you just love the judicial system?

Duuz

Duuz

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Quote by FluxinatorLet me just say, those who put down anime because of such a subject are simply ignorant. It isn't hentai's fault. It is the ignorance of the insulter. Therefore, ignore such petty comments.

Like I've said, society only suggests child pornography is wrong because it harms the child involved both physically and mentally. Whereas this does not exist with children. To say it is sick is just coming from the propaganda of the media and nothing more. The people who watch it have done nothing wrong and are not sick whatsoever.

I think you need to explain your responce a bit more. Just like this next guy.

Quote by someweirdguyI think they need to stop targeting those that watch child pornography and instead target those that MAKE the videos. Watching it is one thing, and I do think it is wrong and disgusting, but actually directing children to do this kind of stuff is a whole other matter. You're sick if you watch child pornography, but you're even sicker when you make child pornography.

Ever hear of the term guilty by association?
They do try and crack down on the people that make child porn. To do this them have to follow the trail of the people that look at it, after all some body must know some one that makes it some where. By view it they are filling thier sick need, which creates a demand, a demand for more. So there are individuals out there that are all to willing to feed that demand. This makes the people that look at child porn just as guilty as those that make it, because they create the demand for it.

Whether it's real or faked makes no difference to me, as there are artists out there that can make a very convicing copy of a real child. However even if it's clearly a cel shaded child, the loli also known as rorikon is feeding this sick need of these pervert. The question should be how long will cel shaded kiddy porn will satisfy them before they start wanting the real thing? A question we don't have a complete answer as people behave differently, one person might be plastered after 2 beers while another might just be buzzed after 4.

The goverment can't make completely person specific rules, saying person A can watch anime kiddy porn because they won't go any further. While person B can't watch any kind of porn at all because we know how they get. Goverments make rules that are one size fits all, it's all goverments and law makers can do.

So while adults (or as I like to call them A Dolts) above 18 can watch all the porn of 18+ people they want. I still think hentai should be held to the same standards as regular porn and lolicon or rorikon should be considered kiddy porn.

In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

Quote by DuuzWhether it's real or faked makes no difference to me, as there are artists out there that can make a very convicing copy of a real child. However even if it's clearly a cel shaded child, the loli also known as rorikon is feeding this sick need of these pervert. The question should be how long will cel shaded kiddy porn will satisfy them before they start wanting the real thing? A question we don't have a complete answer as people behave differently, one person might be plastered after 2 beers while another might just be buzzed after 4.

So while adults (or as I like to call them A Dolts) above 18 can watch all the porn of 18+ people they want. I still think hentai should be held to the same standards as regular porn and lolicon or rorikon should be considered kiddy porn.

You're being hysterical. If I was to suggest that violent films should be banned because "how long would they satisfy violence lovers before they start wanting the real thing", you'd tell me I was out of my mind. And yet you seem to think the vast gulf between these two doesn't even require explanation! Pretty evident that you're not even thinking about it.

If you can't tell the difference between enjoying drawn pictures, and enjoying records of actual abuse, you have nothing intelligent whatsoever to contribute to the discussion.

Tias

Tias

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he can die in prison the way he came there...without any art of sexual stuff, he can die there dang it <_<
no, nothing, gone, finito, bambino(lol >_>) and so on

he can be there and STAY there without all that stuff

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lol, now i see some people even saying it´s not fair, are you guys outta your mind?
that guy even had Cp and alot more, take THAT in mind to

It is time for you to drown

Duuz

Duuz

Master of Disaster

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You're being hysterical. If I was to suggest that violent films should be banned because "how long would they satisfy violence lovers before they start wanting the real thing", you'd tell me I was out of my mind. And yet you seem to think the vast gulf between these two doesn't even require explanation! Pretty evident that you're not even thinking about it.

If you can't tell the difference between enjoying drawn pictures, and enjoying records of actual abuse, you have nothing intelligent whatsoever to contribute to the discussion.

Am I? Actually I consider violence to be more of a natural act than the sexual use of a child not of age to bear children. Violence is how humans have gotten to where we are today, we have clawed our way to the top of the food chain, even if there are now people out there that would like us to crawl back into it. Plain and simple violence solves problems for better or for worse any one that says other wise is just misguided wishful thinking.

Much of the Rorikon features children that are not old enough to give birth. Now I must ask the question why would any one have a desire for any child of that age? The bonus for them is the child can't get pregnant, although there have been cases of girls as young as 11 giving birth, maybe younger. My point is it seem clear that all the pedophilles want is to have sex without consequences, just like it seems every one else wants.

Now sex can be a beautiful thing, but there should always be consequences to the act of sex just as there are consequences to a violent act. And enjoying underage anime sex acts just seems like a way to desensitize people to it. Much in the same way a violent movie desensitizes people to violence. Think about it, when passing a nasty car wreck how many of you look for the blood when passing by? We all do it.

In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

Quote by DuuzThink about it, when passing a nasty car wreck how many of you look for the blood when passing by? We all do it.


I wouldn't.

I would like to know why people view anime child pornography as wrong.

Child pornography is simply wrong because of the physical and mental scarring of the child in question. Anime children do not exist. Therefore, this makes the whole arguement as for why child pornography is not allowed null and void.

If paedophiles indulge their fantasies this way, they will not need to do so through sexual rape of children or viewing real child pornography. Thus, anime child pornography can only be seen to have somewhat good effects.

There is no immorality within these cases as the viewer is not harming anyone. If there is no immorality, what can the viewers be convicted of?

Well ill say is a big step to just go and Ban hentai, cause hentai is a big industry in japan and not only there but all over the world, what they should do is Ban every page there is about child pornography cause that is just sick. And to that guy he should get D 20 cause child porn is not nice, seen it or doin it is way wrong. :) thats my opinion.

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Quote by DuuzThink about it, when passing a nasty car wreck how many of you look for the blood when passing by? We all do it.


I wouldn't.

I would like to know why people view anime child pornography as wrong.

Child pornography is simply wrong because of the physical and mental scarring of the child in question. Anime children do not exist. Therefore, this makes the whole arguement as for why child pornography is not allowed null and void.

If paedophiles indulge their fantasies this way, they will not need to do so through sexual rape of children or viewing real child pornography. Thus, anime child pornography can only be seen to have somewhat good effects.

There is no immorality within these cases as the viewer is not harming anyone. If there is no immorality, what can the viewers be convicted of?

Pedophiles often use pornography as a stimulus for their actions. Even though children in anime are not real, it's still a stimulus that can be used for pedophiles to go abuse. This subject shouldn't be looked at whether the child is real or not, the simple fact is, it's still the depiction of children for sexual gratification.

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Tasana

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hmmm, personally, i don't mind regular anime porn, it doesn't bother me one bit....but any form of child porn, anime or otherwise, crosses the line for me..to put it simply, i think its gross and perverted....

however, if he only had anime child porn, i don't believe that he should be in jail for all that long, but if he had real child porn as well, then the bastard can rot in prison for all i care.....

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You're being hysterical. If I was to suggest that violent films should be banned because "how long would they satisfy violence lovers before they start wanting the real thing", you'd tell me I was out of my mind. And yet you seem to think the vast gulf between these two doesn't even require explanation! Pretty evident that you're not even thinking about it.

If you can't tell the difference between enjoying drawn pictures, and enjoying records of actual abuse, you have nothing intelligent whatsoever to contribute to the discussion.

Am I? Actually I consider violence to be more of a natural act than the sexual use of a child not of age to bear children. Violence is how humans have gotten to where we are today, we have clawed our way to the top of the food chain, even if there are now people out there that would like us to crawl back into it. Plain and simple violence solves problems for better or for worse any one that says other wise is just misguided wishful thinking.

Much of the Rorikon features children that are not old enough to give birth. Now I must ask the question why would any one have a desire for any child of that age? The bonus for them is the child can't get pregnant, although there have been cases of girls as young as 11 giving birth, maybe younger. My point is it seem clear that all the pedophilles want is to have sex without consequences, just like it seems every one else wants.

Now sex can be a beautiful thing, but there should always be consequences to the act of sex just as there are consequences to a violent act. And enjoying underage anime sex acts just seems like a way to desensitize people to it. Much in the same way a violent movie desensitizes people to violence. Think about it, when passing a nasty car wreck how many of you look for the blood when passing by? We all do it.

eh, im going to have to go with minebann on this, i mean I think sex is much more of a natual act then violance, think about it, 200 years ago kids as young as 12 were getting married and having kids. Plus I'd much rather have a pedophille look at some kiddy anime then real ones, or even doing it. Though i;m not sure if seeing it might make someone want to do it more.

I think I'm going to puke just reading that about a man watching child pornography! Gosh, what sick world were living in.

hayate392

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" if it's child pornography, it's wrong, no matter if it were photos or Anime, though nailing him for the Anime is kinda weird."
Uhm I think they were were using that to PROVE for sure he was a very sick man with no doubts.......obviously...oh yea......my answer is yes

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i agree with LigerZSchnider there, hentai and virtual porn should not be smeared. Yes, they are both AV and shouldn't be exposed to children, but hentai is different than virtual porn. First of all, this guy had it coming to him. He was already a sex offender. Second, we're all getting a bit off topic here, we're suppose to be talking about the man's jury results. We should probably discuss about hentai and porn in another topic. Third, porn is okay to those who are legal. ( 18+ )

hayate392

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I think seeing it might make someone want to do it more.
and DUZZ is crazy....

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p.s - a child 15 & under can easily die giving birth or getting pregnant...

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even if it's anime or real pictures, i think it's still wrong.

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thats his fault for not keeping it hidden. It happens all the time. hehe once i brought chobits manga to school. started reading ang then all these guys where behind me (i dont really like porn). then the teacher comes up and confiscates my manga (the faggot). so then he flipped through the pages and he saw the (soft porn) lucky not the part where hideaki turns her "on" phew lucky me. porns a bad thing alright hentai is mild ecchi is in the good ranges but putting someone in jail just for that is just stupid.

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Quote by someweirdguyPedophiles often use pornography as a stimulus for their actions. Even though children in anime are not real, it's still a stimulus that can be used for pedophiles to go abuse. This subject shouldn't be looked at whether the child is real or not, the simple fact is, it's still the depiction of children for sexual gratification.


The fact that it can be used as a stimulus negates my arguement that it can be used to stop paedophiles from targeting the youth.

Is gaining sexual gratification through the means of children morally wrong?

I would simply say no. Children are vulnerable and can be easily manipulated. If they were asked by a parent to do it, the child would. The child simply has no choice in it. The child will then grow up with this emotional scarring of participating in such an act. They'll get depressed.

By keeping possession of child pornography, it is also morally wrong. For, if I had been sexually abused as a child, I would be both scared of the fact that pornography depicting the time was found in some sick person's machine or on a website.

The problem is, people view paedophiles as morally wrong. Does a paedophile who fantasises about children do any harm to society? The children will simply not be harmed at all. It is indeed strange to be attracted to children, yet, without acting upon it no-one gets harmed.

Therefore, who is being harmed when he views this pornography? The anime porn is fictional. It never happened. It never will happen. Owning it causes no problems.

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