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i've suddenly had a thought about those two things because i was -ahem- lying and was accused of it :hmpf: so out of a blue this concept of them hit me and i wondered how else was everyone's opinion on them?

so what is your definition/idea of truth and lies?

i think truth is simply a man-made thing to describe a flow of events that happened as closely as possible, while lies are crucial for survival.and i've tried to justified myself to myself already so to not type so much, just take it that i have proof to my point.if you don't believe me, i'll show you.but mostly i want to know how you feel about it, them, whatever.

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If you need to lie to survive, then you got some problems you need to fix. Sure, I lie from time to time, but it's never anything serious. And with the way I'm going right now, lying will be a thing of the past for me. You only lie if you've done something wrong; if you've done good, you should have every reason to tell the truth.

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There are bad lies and good lies.
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Hmm... your thread makes me wonder what you were lying about that you would have such a commotion over it. I would have to agree with S-a-c-h-i-e-l, in that lies aren't a big deal if they aren't serious, but serious things require truth. Plus, telling the truth makes things so much easier because the person doesn't have to create a whole senario to fit around their lie.

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I agree with Invincible. Lies come in pair, good and bad.
What is considered good and bad depends on the situation. if it is going to harm the other person in any way , then it is bad. Telling the truth is good for the long run. But that depends how the other person is going to take it. We all heard the phrase, "You can't handle the truth" . well that doesn't really explain much..

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Truth does not exist, nor do lies; however, a close approximation of reality does portray an accurate image of any scenario.

To accurately approximate your honesty/lie ratio, explain to us the scenario so that we, the Gods that be, can proclaim judgement over you, one of our children.

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Quote by KelenaI would have to agree with S-a-c-h-i-e-l, in that lies aren't a big deal if they aren't serious, but serious things require truth. Plus, telling the truth makes things so much easier because the person doesn't have to create a whole senario to fit around their lie.

Well said, Kelena, and I totally agree with you. Certainly, you nailed this topic firmly on the head. By telling the truth, you can also ease the burden of digging yourself into a much bigger hole [which may in fact bring up doubt / criticism from others, including more problems that may be encountered down the road as well], and that you don't have to lie even further when you do actually stick with whatever you stand on [and that you don't have anything to worry about when you decide to speak out towards others].

As for lies, everyone has made lies in their previous lives before, some more frequently than others, but because mainly many of them could still be disregarded as "negligible" in today's society, since many fairly smaller lies doesn't really make a significantly profound and negative impact directly towards many others individuals, many people would suddenly conclude that it wouldn't be that big of a deal to think about it in the long run and could easily drop that case in a heartbeat. Of course, then you have the if's and do not's, "forgive-and-forget" concerns that I probably shouldn't drag onwards in this topic here. **Snickers** You get the picture.

If you do worry so much about what you lied about, then it's obviously in your human nature and collaborative mind to stop it before the situation progresses even worse, and that's what many of the people mainly expects from others in general. That's just the way we are, and yes we are all capable of lying to a very minor extent. Obviously, it isn't always good to lie without proper reasoning, and that everyone isn't perfect, you know, which is why I would consider smaller, daily seldom "would-be considered" lies not to be severe as a couple of people claim it to actually be, depending on the severity of the scenario, of course. It could even lead to silly events such as denying to ever eating all the donuts, to borrowing a game without asking another person's actual permission. There are a lot of people who do it, and it only comes naturally at times, I won't deny that. Back to the previous question:

Quote by PAcheso what is your definition/idea of truth and lies?

Truth - Something that evidently holds true in every circumstance and is authentic in proof every which way. Questionable truth should not be confused and intertwined with "actual" truth.

Lies - Something made up from scratch to persuade one individual to believe you. Lies vary from things people wish to cover up, to things people want to make up from the top of their head. It differentiates in substance, virtually.

A little off topic; but what really interested me is what the threadmaker, PAche had to say. It had something to do about "trying to prove" that whatever this person had to say had to be utterly truthful, and that he or she will go the distance into making sure that everyone would believe him / her, quoted from above [by no means of offending you, I hope I grasped your idea accurately over here]:

Quote by PAcheand i've tried to justified myself to myself already so to not type so much, just take it that i have proof to my point.if you don't believe me, i'll show you.but mostly i want to know how you feel about it, them, whatever.

Unfortunately, the reality and news flash about your issue you wish to bring up here is that there are some people truly out there who will never, ever be convinced about what you are trying to say to be the most utmost and truthful in words, no matter how hard you are willing to prove it. Some don't even wish to believe such people, unless they are best buddies and friends with that particular individual, or have even met them in person - who knows? **Shrugs** Even if you do already know this or not, you'll have to accept the fact that you cannot virtually please everybody by trying your hardest to prove who you are or what you say to be be absolutely infallible and authentic, as there are others out there in the world who will never be convinced. Mind you, that if someone like you people out there begin to get insulted by speaking out against what somebody else might consider "an utmost lie," give up the argument, rather than to try to prove your case on your very own. You can't really change the ways of how a person thinks, especially one who is completely known to be ignorant [yes, there are even people like those who do exist out there], and that there's no need to start going against another person's opinion by making it an extremely personal issue. Some people will try to get under your skin and irritate you by constantly thinking you are a complete and utter liar, as a result. Rather than continue the lop-sided discussion, it would be best to convert your energy and efforts elsewhere. It's never good to try to prove everything out when someone seems to deny what you claim, and as long as you have spoken the truth, don't let anything get to you while attempting to move onwards. Life is like that - a lot of people are like that, and unfortunately enough, not everything falls perfectly into a tangible line.

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well.....isnt telling someone not the whole truth also somewhat lying?even if its to protect them?

Quote by CelessaUnfortunately, the reality and news flash about your issue you wish to bring up here is that there are some people out there who will never, ever be convinced about what you are trying to say to be the most utmost and truthful in words, no matter how hard you prove it.

oh i know that.thats why i didnt bother to type XD

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hey! truth may hurt people but it will hurt them more if they find out that you lied, ( a friends situation... she comes to me for help.. and i have no clue what to say to help lol )
Lies, everyone lies....... just the bigger the lie he bigger the burden =3 ( to keep it secret of course )

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Quote by PAchewell.....isnt telling someone not the whole truth also somewhat lying?even if its to protect them?

Well if it had to do with trying to protect yourself from immediate threats, or trying to secure yourself from leaking personal information on the Internet from potentially dangerous stalkers, identity theft [a big gimme issue], etc., I wouldn't really consider it that bad at all, even though it still does fall under the lines of telling a lie. If I had to pick between the two, I'd say that it would be a "conservative" lie - something falsely adaptive / fabricated that was brought up by good reasoning. It's obviously been done before.

Had it been done to keep a friend from growing angry or disappointed at you, especially whether it would risk the chance of breaking your relationship apart, or even trying to keep some certain pain or issue removed from another person's mindset without them ever being aware for the better cause of good in one's nature, then it would be considered a "white lie," which too, falls under the same lines.

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Quote by CelessaUnfortunately, the reality and news flash about your issue you wish to bring up here is that there are some people out there who will never, ever be convinced about what you are trying to say to be the most utmost and truthful in words, no matter how hard you prove it.

oh i know that.thats why i didnt bother to type XD

**Smacks herself with her big white umbrella** Now that you mentioned about that, I did recall you saying those words before in your initial post. Guess I wrote the dirty work for you, then. Oi vey! **Chugs more root beer before smacking face first onto her textbook**

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my friend took my GF period... nothing wrong with it anyways. was onli on a game :D

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I agree with invisible, the truth is alway's better than lying to someone to hide the truth .


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i hate lies.... but i hate truth as well... but just a little bit because truth can be hurtful too... sometimes it makes you relieve and happy

lies sometimes keep you from being hurt and sometimes it also causes pain especially in a relationship...

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well i stick to concealing but lies sometimes and mostly white lies suffice.... deception is my way...

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Lying because you stole something is a sin, but lying in a life-or-death situation is a different story. If you lie to save a person's life, you're doing something big, and by saying "saving a person's life," I don't mean "You got some spinach between your teeth and your crush is coming."

Lies can hurt another, but sometimes the truth can hurt one too. There are times that you wanna make a person brave by lying to him/her. (I.E. A mother telling her child that ghosts don't exsist yet there are so-called "Spirits" in the world. >.>)

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so.....everyone said which one is better but not the crux of this topic: what's your definition?

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remember this word !

>>> THE TRUTH NEVER DIE !

Is this an illusion that i have in my heart?

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