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Destiny was better in terms of Gundam design and coolness in the models given, but the storyline failed. It was basically SEED all over again with a different main character (or an attempt at a new character. People couldn't stand watching Kira die for real), like adyt said. SEED was okay at first, but got repetitive over time, and dragged on for too long, and too much romance involved.

Gundam00 on the other hand is pretty awesome. Flashy new gundams with different styles of fighting (sniper omg!), and more straightforward stuff, as in less fillers.

Yeah, i prefer SEED much much more compared to DESTINY. I didn't really like the storyline of DESTINY, i only watched it because it's a sequel of SEED.

And yes, i agree that Cagalli's Character was different in Destiny as in SEED, she had a very strong character. And yet, the Archangel crew to me was kind of, neglected in Destiny as they mainly focused on Minerva and Earth Alliance.

i`m sorry but i prefer destiny than seed.

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Quote by KaoruMikagamii`m sorry but i prefer destiny than seed.

its okey XD XD but could you tell us why you chose destiny than seed? thanks ^^

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heh, i had a wierd experiemce w/ GS and GSD since i watched GSD first, and that got me interested in GS =P (wierd, eh?)

they both had their own "goodies" but i hav to say, the MS in destiny is so much cooler (especially saviour, even if it didn't serve a useful role)

character development wise, seed won. i mean, hated shinn cuz hes totally unnreasonable (to the point where it's unbelieveable!)
not that i like kira a lot more, but that's beside the point.

plot: hard to say. i like the beginning of seed, and the ending of destiny. beginning of seed, the plot is not simply "action-packed", but actually had meaning context wise; destiny's ending is good, because it's an excellent hanger. (can't wait till the movie comes out)

but yea, each has its pros and cons. i can see why some like seed more and hated destiny, and vice versa. i can also see why some ppl have more moderate views (like mine)

I do agree with pyrotechniccow and ParadizeXI - the Gundams and Mobile Suits were definitely much cooler than in seed. Yet there is still the charcater development and the storyline which failed in GSD, whereas in Seed, basically everything was in an excellent standard.
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Also I only watched Destiny because it is the sequel of Seed, and because of the extremely cool MS and Gundams.

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For the best Gundams and MS I can agree that they are cooler in Destiny than in SEED but still the story is much better in Seed than Destiny...Now I think I can say that Destiny would be better if it has another phase so that the holes in SEED can be fill in Destiny instead of making another holes..Hm, holes is mean something weird and need explanation....I hope you understand what I meant...
Plus may be more character will have their own roles not just like Vino or Youlan ^^
the story goes too fast ^__^ as if like was hunted by time, episodes etc

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Also, probably said beforebut still...
Too Many characters, not enough explaination enough for them. Plus, some characters do ruin the story, but still, an OK hanger in the storyline- there must be a movie to finish this off.

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Destiny started off great, and was almost continuously great up to Ph12. IMO, it started sucking once Kira etc...got involved, and except for a few rare great episodes (Personal favorite? 34), just kept getting suckier and suckier, winding down with the suckiest, crappiest ending of any anime I've ever seen, bar none.

G-SAVIOUR was better than pretty much the last fifteen episodes of GSD.

well I didn't really like destiny as much as seed because some parts made no sense, or seemed rushed, and whatever feeling it was portraying at certain parts, didn't reach me as fast. Well it did, but way too fast and I couldn't comprehend because it didn't seem logical(not that gundams are, I mean real relations and thoughts of how normal humans would act). But overall, Destiny was actuallly good, compared to other animes like say....Papuwa...and others, I'm not sure. But since this thread is comparing seed to destiny, seed pwns.

I hated Destiny especialy because of Shinn and Lunamaria, but there were also other things that ruined the series. Most of the plot is messed up, mostly coming from the fact that characters act in a an unusual manner: Athrun is a lot different from the first season, he's always insecure and let's himself being used. Cagalli is also weaker than she usually was, she's actually annoying in the beginning of the series (and then she's just ditched for that Meyrin chick XD that was ugly, I have to admit it)
Conflict itself doesn't seem to have much of a real base, that attack on Junius Seven seemed more like a bluff than a real reason for war and for monologues about ethics and bla. The first season didn't shine either, but at least had more covering for actions and certain deaths (You know that guy Haine who appeared for like 2 eps in Destiny and then got slashed by kira... nobody knows exactly why XD at least the first season had motivations for these kind of stuff)
And basically it was crappy because we get to see a whole bunch of new losers, who I couldn't care less about, instead of the old charas that I actually liked. The stupid jerks didn't even give Dearka & Yzak more screening time, I don't get it! I always though they were awesome and I wanted to see more of them!
So yeah, I hated Destiny and it's definitely worse than Seed.

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Hahahha..I actually enjoyed the beginning of GSD but then keep getting low or should I say suckier hahahaha, nothing interested as the story flows......and worst ending! Yup, I agree to that, it's not only about Athrun and Cagalli relationship but still many holes that need explanation for us who've watched SEED! And yup, too many new characters but not really useful! Nobody in Minerva want to act to protest Shinn since he disobey their rules! I hate a leader such as Gilbert, seems nice with evil plan! True, Yzak and Dearka was wasted in GSD, they have great skill and they are an ace too, especially Yzak Jule, right? He killed two extended in SEED last battle! Hm, Heine was slashed not by Kira but by Stellar ne~? He was between Kira and Stellar so Stellar killed him ^_^'
New losers? Yeah, so much of them such as Djibril and Yuna with his father (Unato Ema) and the Orb's elder (nice to know that they died together hahaha and Yuna got killed by defeated Gouff if I'm not mistaken hahahaha....stupid death) and don't forget there are also stupid big MS, Gundam Destroyer which really easy to slash T__T
Then about Meyrin saved Athrun's life! She did that secretly, and unfortunately Rey saw them and that's made Athrun no other option except brought her with him. I think, if Rey didn't see them, Athrun would not bring her with him because there's no danger for Meyrin if she stayed in Minerva. I mean, even when finally ZAFT knew that she was the one who helped Athrun, there were so many people can defend her action by saying "may be Athrun put a gun on her throat so Meyrin had to do this", nobody knew what really happened. Too bad, Rey saw them and he saw that Meyrin helped Athrun with her will, not by force so that's the bad news.You saw it too right, so many people can defend her action such as Lunamaria, Talia, Vino etc IF Rey didn't see them! Look at what happen with Shinn after he release Stellar from Minerva?

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Yep that's true I also hated Dullindal as a leader, I prefered P.Zala because he looked evil X) and yeah I thought that Yzak was completely useless and wasted but he was used only in the end, and Heine lol I don't know why he was there maybe just to protect Kira that's it lol
So true ! Shinn didn't even face Dullindal or Talia when he released Stellar and as far as I remember Kira had to face Marrue, Mwu and Natarle when he brought back Lacus to Athrun in Seed X( and poor Meyrin, Rey shot on her :( Athrun didn't had the choice at all he couldn't let her die like that and just run away he's a hero from Yakin Due after all he had to save his reputation (lol XD)
I still don't understand how Luna ended up with Shinn O.o how can someone fall in love with the one who's supposed to have kill her sister ! and her ONLY sister it's not like she had a dozen of them X( and she loved her, she protected her but she fell in love with her "killer" (... is that the Stockholm syndrome lol)
AsuCaga ! I still believe that they're together because I've been told that in "The Edge" she never asked Meyrin to take care of Athrun but she told him directly and Morosawa even said in one of her interview that Athrun and Meyrin were on their separate ways (or something like that ... ^-^U) but still they created some confusion in the anime ...
KiLacus ... what to say ... nothing they're just perfect ! Kira the semi-god and Lacus the peace bringer princess ... I think they're relation could've been better ...
And then MillixDearkka were not even shown enough compared to Seed where there was some kind of growing relation between them :s

... I'm tired of writing lol but that is just to say that I preferred Seed to Destiny and yes Destiny is a lot worse than Seed ...

Never seen Destiny. I liked Seed though.

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Quote by toumarieHm, Heine was slashed not by Kira but by Stellar ne~? He was between Kira and Stellar so Stellar killed him ^_^'

Hum, you might have a point there... I'll rewatch that scene when I bother searching for the dvd XD
Not to be offtopic, I'll add one more comment. You mentioned that moment when Shinn took Stellar back to Neo. It's a real epic because, ok, let's say he thought he was doing the best thing for her, since she would have probably died otherwise. But then when Stellar returned to the battlefield and started wiping out whole cities with that machine (like wth?! but that's the Gundam style, so let it go XD) and Kira killed her because there was no other way of stopping her slaughter those thousands of innocent people... Well, that's Shinn's moment to shine: he blamed Kira for her death and decided to kill him (madman mode, you remember) but he didn't stop to think not even for a second that it was actually his fault for taking her back ;) Shinn is a such a smart boy and that's one of the awesome moments that makes GSD such a frustrating series XD

Destiny is worse than SEED? Destiny Destroy all of seed's good/+ points

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Yeah! Agree with you Raidow about Shinn and Lunamaria relationship! I'm not against their relationship but I need to see something, the flow of how Luna can love Shinn after Shinn supposed have killed her little sister? I think may be Luna must hate Shinn at first since he is the killer of Meyrin! Then whatever, the creator should add more scene to unite Shinn and Lunamaria, right? It's just too fast for both of them T__T
About Kira-Lacus thing, yeah..no comment for this couple hahahha...I support them too ^^
About Athrun-Cagalli, yep! If they want to end their romance relationship, please make the scene more natural and logic..Make the flow such as at SEED which everything between them begun ^__^ but still hoping that Athrun and Cagalli can be a couple again ^^ (Love them very much ne~)

Too many people said that Cagalli was not a good pilot right? Then Lunamaria was even worse than Cagalli ^^
Fukuda should make her stronger since she's wearing a red uniform.
You know when Djibril launched to Moon from Orb, Luna couldn't hit the Seiran's shuttle even once while the shuttle just flied straight..Yare2 desu ne~?

The story was too fast ^^ That which made Destiny much worse than SEED in story I think..
About Athrun said that Lacus's assassination could've been attempted by individuals who had no relation to the chairman..How can he said that? The only one who knew that Meer is a fake was Gilbert and his man (and Athrun himself of course)..It proved enough to me that Lacus's assassination was planned by Gilbert himself, don't you agree?
Next, Athrun promised to find out about Lacus's assassination but he never tried to do that! Yare2 Athrun-san -__-'

Quote by MargaletNot to be offtopic, I'll add one more comment. You mentioned that moment when Shinn took Stellar back to Neo. It's a real epic because, ok, let's say he thought he was doing the best thing for her, since she would have probably died otherwise. But then when Stellar returned to the battlefield and started wiping out whole cities with that machine (like wth?! but that's the Gundam style, so let it go XD) and Kira killed her because there was no other way of stopping her slaughter those thousands of innocent people... Well, that's Shinn's moment to shine: he blamed Kira for her death and decided to kill him (madman mode, you remember) but he didn't stop to think not even for a second that it was actually his fault for taking her back ;) Shinn is a such a smart boy and that's one of the awesome moments that makes GSD such a frustrating series XD

Yeah, I didn't get it! I can't understand why people really against AA and Freedom ne~?
Shinn Asuka, angry and hate Cagalli, saying "Athha killed my family". Then he hate Orb because of it. Want to burn it down with his own hands just because of that? He lived in Orb like a normal family, smiling, laughing with his family ON ORB, how can he never remember the good part that Orb ever gave him?He did lose his family and he can blame Athha but how could he hate Orb that much and even tried to burnt down that nation? Orb had its citizen whom probably had the same destiny like his, why he never even thinking that way? He tried to kill Cagalli that's fine with me since he hates Cagalli so much but when he wanted so bad to destroy Orb, I hate him a lot, thinking that only himself who suffer because of the war..
Then he acted like spoiled brat. He did what he likes, give Stellar back to the enemy and the stupid thing is he believed in Neo (HIS ENEMY/EAF) that Stellar would never go to fight again. HE BELIEVED IN HIM, HECK he knew Neo was an enemy! And when Stellar piloted Destroyer, she burnt down 3 cities and killed so many innocent people but he hated Kira more just because he destroyed the Destroyer. He even tried to take revenge on Stellar's death. I would say that Stellar didn't die because Kira killed her, if Kira was the one who killed her, how can Stellar's body is perfectly fine? 2 hands and 2 legs?
I think Stellar died because her medicine was out, hm know what I mean?

Kira just saved hundreds or may be thousands people in those cities...AND THEY ARE ALL CORDINATORS! How can the citizen didn't do anything when Gilbert start chasing AA? Blame Orb etc? How can the people of ZAFT didn't have a thought when they start attacking AA (ArchAngel)? I need to see some protest from ZAFT to their leader since they knew the one that saved those cities were AA and Freedom, right? I mean, why nobody can say something like this "why we should attack AA? They saved us right?" Yeah, I mean why Coordinator that supposed to be smarter couldn't think straight? Why they couldn't blame Shinn? He's the one that release the enemy right? Talia knew it! She's the captain but didn't have authority ne~, Shinn was is Minerva after all -__-'
Too bad, I think Murrue is smarter than her hahahaha.....Talia was always controlled by Gilbert (like there was no other warship hahahha)..Every mission was on Minerva's shoulder ^^
Well, Gilbert was smart enough to always control Minerva and Shinn too hahahaha...He used them since he knew that he couldn't use Yzak and Dearka to carry on his ambitions ^^ (Gil has wasted their capability and skill ne~)

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Yep you got a point there ! Shinn doesn't remember the good part of ORB since he's obsessed with his family's death, but he doesn't know, or doesn't care, that Cagalli has also lost her only family member, her father who bravely stayed on ORB to save it ...

Shinn believed in Neo maybe because he thought at the moment that he's the only one who can save Stellar, then I don't know how he can't even think that it was all his fault if she died on the battlefield ... and yeah I also think that she died because she didn't got her special "bed rest" lol and on top of that she was in bad posture when she was on Minerva (I don't remember well but when she was with Shinn and all in her bed ... why was she there again ? lol)

As far as I remember when they've shown the "breaking news" with Destroyer burning the cities they erased freedom and kept only Destiny to show that Shinn was the "BIG HERO" (loool) ans so not many people should know that Archangel and Freedom actually saved them

Well I don't think Talia was worse than Murrue because she was always controlled by Gil so she couldn't really act on her own she just followed the orders ... but still Murrue beat her so yeah you can say she's smarter XD And yeah I agree every mission was given to Minerva O.o maybe because "Shinn the great" was on it with lady love Luna loool

Poor Athrun he had to bear them all for around 30-35 episodes lol I think he got his lesson he won't go back that soon to ZAFT XD

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Huaaa....it's been so long since my last post here hehee...

@miyu2008 : don't worry about Athrun and Cagalli relitionship, I think they're still in romance relationship hehehe...You can watch the GSD SE, at the ending, Athrun wore Orb's uniform (military with the highest rank, he replace Kira's position since Kira went to ZAFT and he's wearing White uniform in there)...There's still hope XD XD

@Raice-san : ahiahiahia.... Yeah, at least show us a scene when Shinn feel that he's part of the Stellar's death too... Btw, do you think that Shinn will be show up in the movie? If yes, I hope he's more mature than in GSD hehehe..... At least, no more high emo or loud screaming like he used to in GSD ^_^''
Huaaaa! I hate waiting! I hope Fukuda will finish all the AMCs ASAP hehehhe...

And I hope to see Shiho and Yzak scene too in the movie (I like this pairing too) and don't forget about Dearka and Milli ahiahiahaiha.....Also Mwu-Murrue, our only one mature couple ahiahaihaiha... (will they be there in the movie?)

Phew, me out of topic ne? -_-''

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Destiny sucks just because its the same as seed all over again with new gundams and mobile suits.

From my point of view, destiny did not suck completely. It sucked in storyline, sure, but the MS were awesome!

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Hmmm...indeed, I think the worse of GSD in the storyline and perhaps with the chars too. I mean so many chars in GSD are wasted such as Yzak, Dearka and many more. I mean they even don't have ability to show during each episodes, such as Vino, Youlant, yeah compare to Kuzzue, Tolle etc.
The interaction between chars was not too good.

For example : when Shinn had to kill Athrun even though he knew that Meyrin was inside with Athrun, look what happened after he went back to Minerva?
It seems that even Lunamaria treated him as a hero and he's the one who felt a bit guilty (IMO) but just for minutes. And the 'best' part was Luna fell in love with Shinn hehehe..... Yeah, sumting like that I think ^__^''
There is no scene about Vino or Youlan's feeling after the death of Meyrin, at least that how they thought about it since they didn't know that actually Meyrin was survived no?
About the MS, the worst MS I think was Destroyer ahiahiahia....it's so easily for Destiny to split it into two parts =__=''

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As others have liked the only thing about SEED Destiny I liked is the Mobile Suits, but even they were tricky to like given how one-sided the battles usually were in terms of the GUNDAMs and who piloted them.

Only a few battles were really that good to me, like Stellar and the first appearance of the Destroy Gundam. She actually gave Kira a really hard time throughout the battle. It only ended up getting ruined by them making 9 more Destroys after and having them all treated as simple cannonfodder for the Destiny, Legend, and Impulse.

SEED Destiny, in my opinion, was really more of a Gundam SEED: ZAFT Version most of the time. Not to mention all the constant scene recycling from SEED and throughout itself...even repeating some things exactly like Neo/Mwu blocking a positron cannon attack with his own MS...and Murrue's expression being pretty much identical to SEED and all. Even the final battles boil down to Freedom and Justice spamming everyone with their METEORs and even as far as being a different Freedom vs. Providence battle, only without Freedom being trashed.

And even a Neo GENESIS? Come on! Could be a LITTLE more creative than that!

Character development rarely happened. Sure certain EVENTs happened, but the character's themselves, with only a couple exceptions, really (gradually) changed throughout the series. Hell, character's like Kira and Athrun seemed to reset back to how they were in SEED. Shinn, despite being the supposed main character, ended up getting WORSE throughout the series with only a few redeeming moments.

So yeah, to me, SEED Destiny is one of the low points of Gundam except for most Mobile Suits.

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