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hmm...well....i am arab...and muslim too but if you guys are nice i won't bomb MT...
comon this is ridiculous...i am not gonna say Muslims are angels cuz modern type muslims piss me off...but true Islam forbods such acts...and i mean FORBID...we are not allowed to harm women, children, innocent people, and even trees for heaven's sake and no attacks on unsuspecting people...these people who do not follow are not considered muslims...end of story.

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Every one of us is a potential terrorist. We like to think that terrorist are those who hijack planes, place bombs, or belong to a group of people that use guns out of a military or police scheme, but those are only actions that anybody has the potential to perform.

The truth is that if you live this life thinking that you are always right and the rest of the world is wrong, and you are willing to kill, steal and destroy in order to keep your own sake above everyone else, you are a terrorist.

You are a terrorist if you think that your skin color, or heritage, or economical position, linage, intelligence, nationality, history, or any other reason allows you to oppress, kill, invade, disrespect, humiliate or persue anybody that does not fullfill the same "requirements" like you and on the worst case escenario if you do this things to achive your own selfish goals.

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reixiamk110

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if you think muslims=terorist then you must be caught up with some stupid anti-muslims conspiracy. come on there is no religion that ask you kill innocent people

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arabs = muslims = terrorists? well this is so wrong. The extremists are all talk and finally some get their heads bang against the wall. well some extremeists DID some action tho. same goes to other religions. Other religions terrorise people too. oh, i'm a christian.

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A terrorist is simply that that participates in an organization or political group that with the purpose of obtaining what wants, acts by means of violent acts. Not concerning its race or religion.

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This labeling won't help join the great rift that's already a big trouble between many races and religions. Even a non-Muslim can be a terrorist. Terrorists just want to disrupt things in hopes of demoralizing people from trying to bring about some harmony.

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Its horrible, of course none of this would happen if the extremist muslims could figure a better way to get their point across than blowing things up. They've gone and made themselves the bad guys and made life difficult for the rest of their religion.

Archer79

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I only wonder why, if terrorism has sprung from extreme/"bad" Islamists; how come the normal/"good" Islamists don't make it stop? Or departed from religious beliefs entirely.... ...If there are such angry, dark activities forming, how come those people who see them happening don't stop it? Or in Iran's case, why would Iran promote such a thing? Syria?

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Quote by Archer79I only wonder why, if terrorism has sprung from extreme/"bad" Islamists; how come the normal/"good" Islamists don't make it stop? Or departed from religious beliefs entirely.... ...If there are such angry, dark activities forming, how come those people who see them happening don't stop it? Or in Iran's case, why would Iran promote such a thing? Syria?

For exactly the same reason that the more gentle Christians don't do anything about the Ku Klux Klan, abortion clinic bombers, televangelists, doom prophets and Bible preaching politicians. Because if an extremist do something, then the people of the same belief have to go along in principle (the whole "if you're not for us then you're against us") even if they don't condone what the extremists are doing.

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Archer, terrorism is hard to stop. If terrorism were easy to stop, then they would not cause any terror, thus it would not be terrorism. A non extremist would probably have a hard time convincing an extremist to stop their activities.
In any case, just because you do not stop something, does not mean you support it. I mean, I assume many people here are not actively stopping terrorism, does that mean we all support using violence as a method to get points across? I think not.
I simply do not agree with your logic.

Mnemeth

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Actually uyo, I disagree in that I think terrorism is actually quite easy to stop. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your views) the methodology used to make it easy is frowned upon. You simply eliminate the terrorists...one by one....until there are none left. Of course the problems arise when you try to define the people who are to be eliminated and given that you manage to complete that herculean effort you still have to find all those you seek.

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Quote: krow666 21wk 0d ago BUSH is the real terrorist! and Calderon too

Muslims ony defends ideals, what ideals, for Bush is bad, for all bad for bush is against Bush, for against bush for bush is WAR!
I could add USA, but not USA is favor to Bush

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Quote by MnemethYou simply eliminate the terrorists...one by one....until there are none left.

Let us ignore, for the moment, the fact that it would be nearly impossible to root out all but a few terrorists for your proposed genocide. You must understand that such an act would serve only to galavanise the Muslim community because they would see it as inhumane slaughter of their fellows. It does not matter that these ppl are murderers - even liberal Muslims would consider the elimination as a breach of civil rights, and in turn as discrimination against Islam, and in turn as proof that the Western world is prejudiced and deserving of retribution. The end-result would be similar to that of the Isaeli invasion of Lebanon. A miniscule number of terrorist casualties, and an exponential increase in militant recruitment. Imagine if one were to initiate the massacre of every CHRISTIAN fundamentalist in the US, i.e. KKK, Westboro Baptist Chruch. What would happen? Christians would be up in arms, initiating riots, revolts, etc, despite it being obvious that such fundamentalists are scum. They will bitch about religious freedom and God's will and such, because at the end of it they, like the Islamic community and its own fundamentalist element, see such attacks as discrimination against their religion as a whole.

Now, while i would like nothing more than to kill every religious fundamentalist on Earth, doing so would make me akin to insipid cretins like Bush, who know only to execute instant-gratification measures like Guantanamo (subsequently angering every Muslim on the planet w/o any negative effect on terrorists) but fail to consider long-term solutions such as TRYING/PRETENDING to be nice to non-Christians. The idea of genocide as a solution would only work out if you were to extend it to the systematic slaughter of EVERY Muslim and Christian (except those backward Amish, they wouldn't take up arms even if their own daughters were raped in front of them...) in existence, thereby eliminating the 2 primary causes of Islamic terrorism (and causes of 99% of all religious strife).

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Quote by Archer79I only wonder why, if terrorism has sprung from extreme/"bad" Islamists; how come the normal/"good" Islamists don't make it stop? Or departed from religious beliefs entirely.... ...If there are such angry, dark activities forming, how come those people who see them happening don't stop it? Or in Iran's case, why would Iran promote such a thing? Syria?

For exactly the same reason that the more gentle Christians don't do anything about the Ku Klux Klan, abortion clinic bombers, televangelists, doom prophets and Bible preaching politicians. Because if an extremist do something, then the people of the same belief have to go along in principle (the whole "if you're not for us then you're against us") even if they don't condone what the extremists are doing.

Ah, but they did. The KKK was all but destroyed, and is now an outcast part of society, closely watched by all us "the more gentle Christians" and the law. In fact, the good peoploe of this country even helped create affirmative action, to help the persecuted get a leg up. ...Same with the abortion clinic bombers. As soon as we know, we stop them. ...Or is there still a case of rampant abotrion clinic bombers running around? Oh? Do they park cars loaded with explosives outside to kill innocent people? Oh wait, perhaps you were simply exaggerating? Did I miss something? Are abortion clinics being bombed with regularity these days? Did I miss something in the news yesterday perhaps?

And for the rest of your items, I am surprised that you'd compare a televangelist to a person who indescriminantly blows up children and mothers while they try to obtain the meager essentials required for life. ...Or perphaps you do not discern a difference?

It takes personal courage to stop things. ..."All it takes for evil to prevail is for the good to do nothing." The US has been blessed with people who stood up, and stopped those who would kill for greed, for power. Surely there must be more than just the top politicians in all of Islam?


Quote by uyoArcher, terrorism is hard to stop. If terrorism were easy to stop, then they would not cause any terror, thus it would not be terrorism. A non extremist would probably have a hard time convincing an extremist to stop their activities.
In any case, just because you do not stop something, does not mean you support it. I mean, I assume many people here are not actively stopping terrorism, does that mean we all support using violence as a method to get points across? I think not.
I simply do not agree with your logic.

Terrorism is a hard thing to stop. Nearly 3,000 US military have died in the effort to make it stop. Many others have been disabled. A non-extremist does NOT have a hard time stopping terrorism. ...Unless a phonecall or a walk to the police is significantly harder than I last recalled? The US military is there to help make this an easy thing to stop. If Islamists want the Muslim religion to be known by something more than Jihad, they need to step up. Make the phone calls, make the hard decisions. Innocent people are dying because some people are unwilling to do what is right. Make the call. Save a life. (This goes for every religion, race and creed. -- Everyone has a skeleton in their closet from time to time.)

I mean, this isn't like we're talking about the Unibomber here. ...Who noone knew who he was, etc. ...This is happening in the middle of a city. People know people. People have eyes. Surely folks can make a bigger difference?

First of all we need to clear up the defination of Terrorist.
Terrorist - One who uses violent or fearful acts to spread terror. One who, for the sake of a political purpose will, kill, pillage, and preform other evil acts in order to get the current regeme to stop and obey the person's demands.

Second of all we need to define Islam's view of 'innocent'. The we need to tackle what they think of Infidels.
They do believe that children are innocent, grown women of our religion, and none others are innocent.
An infidel to them, is someone of sound mind, that is not a child, and does not believe in the great prophet (Mohamed). They are to either be converted to the Muslim religion or persicuted and killed.

Guess what folks? MOST OF US, ACCORDING TO THE KORAN, ARE INFIDELS AND NEED TO EITHER BE CONVERTED OR DIE.

I have a Koran. A muslim girl gave me one in college. It was the only way I could get her to take a bible. ;)

It makes me mad when I hear people call the Muslim religion peaceful. Cause it's not! They call America the great snake (their version of our anti-christ), and their most sacred goal is to see us fall as a country.

Some of them are peaceful, yes. But they aren't 'good muslims'. The Koran says to get rid of all infidels.

DOES THAT SOUND PEACEFUL TO YOU!?

Quote by Archer79And for the rest of your items, I am surprised that you'd compare a televangelist to a person who indescriminantly blows up children and mothers while they try to obtain the meager essentials required for life. ...Or perphaps you do not discern a difference?


I doubt that Joealmighty16 means to put televangelists and suicide bombers on the same level. He is merely citing examples of Christian extremism/fundamentalism, and how their continued existence suggests that non-fundamentalist Christians are not doing enough to eradicate them.

Quote: Terrorism is a hard thing to stop. Nearly 3,000 US military have died in the effort to make it stop. Many others have been disabled. A non-extremist does NOT have a hard time stopping terrorism. ...Unless a phonecall or a walk to the police is significantly harder than I last recalled? The US military is there to help make this an easy thing to stop. If Islamists want the Muslim religion to be known by something more than Jihad, they need to step up. Make the phone calls, make the hard decisions. Innocent people are dying because some people are unwilling to do what is right. Make the call. Save a life. (And for that matter, this goes for every religion, race and creed.)

I mean, this isn't like we're talking about the Unibomber here. ...Who noone knew who he was, etc. ...This is happening in the middle of a city. People know people. People have eyes. Surely folks can make a bigger difference?


You are correct in saying that one need only make a phone call or approach the police to, say, report a terrorist. But you are mistaken in assuming that it is so easy to detect a terrorist or terrorist activities to start with. For example, a terrorist could easily be discrete, or play the part of the liberal Muslim, thereby rendering detection near-impossible. A Muslim extremist who grew up in a specific community would either be friendly with his neighbours, or shunned and ignored his whole life. In the former case, no one would suspect him because even if you, Archer79, were to hear your friend denouncing Bush as a cretin or saying that Israel was wrong to invade Lebanon, you would not immediately think that your friend is an extremist. In the latter case, the extremist is largely left alone by a prejudiced community, who in turn lack suffecient contact to detect suspicious behaviour. I cite the case of the London bus bombings, where only 1 of the 4 major bombers was even remotely suspected of fundamentalism by his neighbours, friends and relatives.

And FYI, Muslim religious and commnuity leaders ARE trying to preach moderate and liberal brands of Islam in the US. They are, however, hindered by the fact that many extremists are older men (older=less impressionable=harder to change mindset) and rampant (and in some cases, justified) anger towards the Western world and Israel.

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Quote by sara-aneSecond of all we need to define Islam's view of 'innocent'. The we need to tackle what they think of Infidels.
They do believe that children are innocent, grown women of our religion, and none others are innocent.
An infidel to them, is someone of sound mind, that is not a child, and does not believe in the great prophet (Mohamed). They are to either be converted to the Muslim religion or persicuted and killed.

Guess what folks? MOST OF US, ACCORDING TO THE KORAN, ARE INFIDELS AND NEED TO EITHER BE CONVERTED OR DIE.


So basically the Qur'an preaches exactly what the Christian Bible preaches. That non-believers are damned no matter how moral they are in life.

Quote: It makes me mad when I hear people call the Muslim religion peaceful. Cause it's not! They call America the great snake (their version of our anti-christ), and their most sacred goal is to see us fall as a country.


Where the HELL are you getting your information from? The Taliban homepage?

Quote: Some of them are peaceful, yes. But they aren't 'good muslims'. The Koran says to get rid of all infidels.

DOES THAT SOUND PEACEFUL TO YOU!?


You just insulted every Muslim member in Minitokyo and several hundred million Muslims worldwide, do you know that? Do not forget, Christian, that there are many ways of interpreting the Bible, hence the fracturing of the original Chruch into dozens of denominations. Likewise, it is ridiculous for one to take such a literal, absolutist stance on the Qur'an, especially in this day and age when morals differ so much from those millenia ago. Need I mention that the Bible, when read just as literally as you read the Qur'an, potrays Christianity and its God and saints as no more peaceful than Islam and its prophets? For example, I could call YOU a bad Christian for NOT stoning to death the men who work on Sabbath day. Come. Post as many verses as u can from the Qur'an that 'prove' the evil of Islam. I will in turn post just as many from the Bible that depict your religion as sick and twisted.

How peaceful or just a religion is is not decided by the words of long dead men, nor by the text in a few leather-bound scraps of paper. It is decided by the actions of the religion's followers today, weighed against the morals and laws of the present.

uyo

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Quote: their most sacred goal is to see us fall as a country.
Sara-ane, are you serious in your believe that all Muslim's most sacred goal is to see America fall?
Please, at least first consider that not all Muslims are extremists and many are American living in America as well. Your attitude is quite racist.

Quote: I have a Koran. A muslim girl gave me one in college.
By the way, stating that you have a Qu'ran clearly proves that your point is valid.

It doesn't really prove one's point is valid because there are misinterpretations... but it does show that they actually read it >.> or may have...

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Archer79

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Quote by EspadaYou are correct in saying that one need only make a phone call or approach the police to, say, report a terrorist. But you are mistaken in assuming that it is so easy to detect a terrorist or terrorist activities to start with. For example, a terrorist could easily be discrete, or play the part of the liberal Muslim, thereby rendering detection near-impossible. A Muslim extremist who grew up in a specific community would either be friendly with his neighbours, or shunned and ignored his whole life. In the former case, no one would suspect him because even if you (sic) were to hear your friend denouncing Bush as a cretin or saying that Israel was wrong to invade Lebanon, you would not immediately think that your friend is an extremist. In the latter case, the extremist is largely left alone by a prejudiced community, who in turn lack suffecient contact to detect suspicious behaviour. I cite the case of the London bus bombings, where only 1 of the 4 major bombers was even remotely suspected of fundamentalism by his neighbours, friends and relatives.

And FYI, Muslim religious and commnuity leaders ARE trying to preach moderate and liberal brands of Islam in the US. They are, however, hindered by the fact that many extremists are older men (older=less impressionable=harder to change mindset) and rampant (and in some cases, justified) anger towards the Western world and Israel.

"Sleeper cells", by nature, are oriented towards evading detection. Had the one of the four been investigated more thoroughly through a tip, would things be different? Do you suggest that the current success within the Islamic society are sufficient, not warranting greater effort? Do you feel that everyone is already sufficiently encouraged to do their part in stopping the radical actions?

Hiding behind "it's too hard" or "we at least tried/did something" becomes a little weak in the till of dead bodies. Something is good. More is better. Why don't you just say, "Yes! I am online with the decision to stop radicalist terror, and hope others do the same." Perhaps even say that you are taking an active role in this. Or if you haven't, please do take an active role in this. What kind of world is it where an innocent person buying food has to fear being torn to shreds to make a political statement?

On a much more personal note, I am slightly bothered that you call people names on this open forum. Referring to someone as "Idiot", and implying some stereotype by the pronounish-labelling "Christian".... I also don't understand why you needed to address me personally, rather than simply make reply to my comments, or even just post your thoughts on this forum. Certainly, I'm not your insubortinate nor your pupil, as your prose implies. But since we seem to be exchanging personal communications in an open forum, I'll go ahead and post this here for you. ;-)

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Terrorists are individuals who blah blah blah (we can make so many definitions as we like). But it's just sooo wrong to label one particular group (religions, cultures, etc) as terrorists just because of their belief / collective identities. So, labeling any religions (not just Muslims) as terrorists can never be right.

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Quote by Archer79"Sleeper cells", by nature, are oriented towards evading detection. Had the one of the four been investigated more thoroughly through a tip, would things be different?


Probably, yes, since the likelihood of them being caught/intercepted would rise. However, your earlier post gives the impression that you believe extremist terrorism to be easily prevented by non-extremists reporting extremist activity. I remain unconvinced that this is true. Your statement about a tip-off, for example, hinges on the assumption that one has suffecient reason to even give the tip-off. Yet a large proportion of extremists, especially the ones who do the actual killings/bombings, are too discrete. At most they voice harch criticisms of the West. This in itself is nowhere near enough to warrant trailing or investigation, because millions of Muslims and non-Muslims worldwide do the same every day.

Quote: Do you suggest that the current success within the Islamic society are sufficient, not warranting greater effort? Do you feel that everyone is already sufficiently encouraged to do their part in stopping the radical actions?


Definitely not, on both counts. I merely believe that the lack of progress is due not so much to lack of vigilance on the part of the Muslim community, but other factors such as failure to suppress fundamentalist teachings/beliefs.

Quote: On a much more personal note, I am slightly bothered that you call people names on this open forum. Referring to someone as "Idiot", and implying some stereotype by the pronounish-labelling "Christian"....


Heh. I thought that I'd editted out the 'idiot' part a few hours after making the post. Anyway it's gone now.

Quote: I also don't understand why you needed to address me personally, rather than simply make reply to my comments, or even just post your thoughts on this forum.


I did not think that there was anything wrong with using your username since I was directly responding to your posts. Plus I have seen many instances of other posters using the usernames of those they are replying to/citing so i thought the practice acceptable. I do not mean anything personal by it.

Quote: Certainly, I'm not your insubortinate nor your pupil, as your prose implies. But since we seem to be exchanging personal communications in an open forum, I'll go ahead and post this here for you. ;-)


What, I sound like a teacher? Lol. Sorry.

Archer79

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Quote by Archer79"Sleeper cells", by nature, are oriented towards evading detection. Had the one of the four been investigated more thoroughly through a tip, would things be different?


Probably, yes, since the likelihood of them being caught/intercepted would rise. However, your earlier post gives the impression that you believe extremist terrorism to be easily prevented by non-extremists reporting extremist activity. I remain unconvinced that this is true. Your statement about a tip-off, for example, hinges on the assumption that one has suffecient reason to even give the tip-off. Yet a large proportion of extremists, especially the ones who do the actual killings/bombings, are too discrete. At most they voice harch criticisms of the West. This in itself is nowhere near enough to warrant trailing or investigation, because millions of Muslims and non-Muslims worldwide do the same every day.

Still, many of the insurgents are new arrivals from foreign countries in Iraq. ...That in itself should serve to help identify both some of the fugatives, and their associates. Accents, methods, new faces, new cars, etc. But detecting such subtle changes in a community can only be done by the community itself. The Sunnis, in particular, seem quite supportive of their foreign fighters, just as the Shia Muslims in Iraq support their own (powerful) local militia. (Which may be responsible for some terrorism, but doesn't appear to be proud of it if it does. Certainly, it has at least increased sectarian violence if nothing else.)

There is, certainly, significant relativity to this "easiness". Trying to stop the corrupt is wrought with risk, and definitely restricted to precious opportunities to discover what is needed to condem such practices. ....But all the more, now is the time. This will be the easiest time to "make the hurting stop"; people accross the globe have expressed compassion for Iraq for many reasons, and in many different ways. But people fatigue. The time for a positive social change, both in Iraq, and with extremists is now. And only the subject society itself can really confirm/effect any persisting social change.

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yeah, its not like its ONLY the muslims thats out to get america, and what robinkun has said, thats like a simple way of explaining it and i have to absolutely agree with the statement. independant people have chosen to do what they have done done not the whole community of people so just saying something like muslims are terrorists is just to rash.

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