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How We Can Know There Is a God?

Do you Believe in the Existence of God?

I Believe that God exist by His Creations & the Bible
66 votes
I believe that God exist but I don't believe in the Bible
26 votes
I don't Believe in God because I'm an Atheist
46 votes
50/50 (I believe in God but I doubt sometimes)
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tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

To gaara-no shukaku: I repeat, why is the quran the truth? All other religions say their holy books are the truth; why is yours the one that's true? You've eluded my question long enough. The rest of your post is mere trivia and I don't care. Why is the quran the real holy true book?

To Gau: my, my, what a sordid little trick. You vent your anger against me through a duplicate account because you can't find the arguments against me. How astonishingly mature. That will definitely refute some of my points, that I am a "pole-smoker" in your very own words. You're the one who said to have a civilised discussion? That was going more or less well until you attacked me in the most cowardly way, you tower of christian moral superiority. You said you hadn't attacked me for me beliefs? That turned into a lie pretty quick when you couldn't find resposes to my arguments, which still stand by the way. I think you can apologise to me, or leave and go choke on your bible.

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Quote by leonardobarbaWhat word better explains what I am, Plunkies (laughs)? Sometimes, it's too hard to believe and too easy to be faithful, and vice-versa. A lot of years ago, my master said to me: 'Voce e gente. Nos somos nao-gente.' ('You're people. We're no-people.')

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you can rephrase that?

Quote by gaara-no-shukakuLol, if you read and learn the Quran carefully, you'll know the truth.

The quran says the Earth is flat. Do you believe the Earth is flat or does Allah lie to you?

Shinsengumi89

Shinsengumi89

The Watcher of Movies

Well just to put my two cents in,( not even worth that much).

No, i do not belive in God. I have nothing agaisnt people who do, i just don't have a faith in a being that there is no Scientific proof of, i understand others many need a God, but i do not.

I just think that doing your best is th most important thing. Also i think it's important to note that as long as other practice their religon and not push it on others, id have no problem with it.

Peace out.

Shinsengumi89

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Nerdly Ghost

There is much more to God than simply Creation and the Bible. Clearly you haven't opened your mind to the possibility of God, nor taken survey of how God might relate to your spirituality. Thinking that God consists only of paper and guesswork shows how little you must understand about those who do believe in God.

And there is infinitely more to God than religion. I'm Catholic, but my religion is only a starting point, and the name alone says so little about me and my relationship with my Creator and Friend.

tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

What more is there? Because there certainly isn't a tiny, necessary thing called proof. You obviously haven't opened your mind to the idea that god may be an elaborate, convincing lie, an imaginary friend.

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gaara-no-shukaku

gaara-no-shukaku

Retired Waller

Not all in this world need scientific proofs and it's all about believing. The Quran is the proofs of all things. If you don't have translated Quran, then don't talk nonsense or ask nonsense.

merged: 09-04-2006 ~ 09:48pm

Quote by Plunkies

The quran says the Earth is flat. Do you believe the Earth is flat or does Allah lie to you?

I didn't found in Quran saying that the Earth is flat. And Allah doesn't lie human. Can you please show me your source of that fact?

merged: 09-04-2006 ~ 09:55pm
I just knew that Zabur is Psalm in English and Taurat is Tawrah/The Law. Injil is Bible/The Gospel. >_>

Ill pray for you all

Quote by gaara-no-shukaku

Quote by Plunkies

The quran says the Earth is flat. Do you believe the Earth is flat or does Allah lie to you?

I didn't found in Quran saying that the Earth is flat. And Allah doesn't lie human. Can you please show me your source of that fact?


Did you just call me "human"? I'm sure this will be a brilliant discussion....nevertheless...

Islam Thread

tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

Why pray for us? You can have more space in heaven with your intolerant and insecure god.

And gaara, all the books of the monotheistic branch (judaism, christianity, islam) hold the common belief that was universal at the time in the region that the world was flat. Follow Plunkies's link, you'll see. The quran, and all the other holy books, are full of errors, contradictions, and outright lies. So either god made some serious mistakes, or he wants us to be ignorant and submissive to his authority. Great god you got there.

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If you ask me, mythology is a simple way to explain all that surrounds us, the man needs mythology, it is there since he starts to ask about his origin, and even if science can't prove the existance of a god (anyone you like), the myth is there, trying to explain things

tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

That's nice. Then why do the religious assert their myths as the ultimate truth? That is the problem: myth masquerading as reality. If they need god to justify their existence, they shouldn't hang, stone, burn, or molest those who don't need a moral crutch.

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I believe in god though I doubt the Cristian bible mostly because after many years of translation how do we know its completely right.
I believe in all religions even though I was baptized a Christian. But in spite I'm sure that God does exist I do have one question. If God put us here who put god there and everything that has a beginning does have a end.

Quote by NasikiI believe in god though I doubt the Cristian bible mostly because after many years of translation how do we know its completely right.


It's not completely right, but it's actually been translated fairly well over time to my knowledge.

Quote by NasikiI believe in all religions even though I was baptized a Christian.


How does that work? 0_o
Read the First Commandment then explain how you can be a Hindu while believing in the God of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam).

Quote by NasikiBut in spite I'm sure that God does exist I do have one question. If God put us here who put god there and everything that has a beginning does have a end.


God has supposedly existed forever.
The phrase "everything that has a beginning has an end" refers to the fact that things don't appear to last forever, e.g. human life. There's nothing stopping something from lasting forever, e.g. God.

tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

Wow, Alex, playing devil's advocate, or have you switched sides? O.o
Anyway, Nasiki, you sound more agnostic than anything. And the bible probably mistranslated one crucial thing at least: the original word in hebrew for "young woman" was translated as "virgin" in greek. That's how we get virgin birth...
This page has good info on the technical terms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_birth

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Quote by tobiast88Wow, Alex, playing devil's advocate, or have you switched sides? O.o


No, I've almost never had any sides in an argument. There just happen to usually be more flaws in arguments from theists than from atheists (although every now and then you'll find some). =P

NeoStryder

NeoStryder

Neo Stryder

The answer is simple, if you exist, that should be enought prove, science can't tell you all the answers of this universe, because was not science what create the universe.

Nobody in this world in invincible, unless God's hand be with he/she

tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

Oh. Okay. So a hypothetical being with no determined origin made us with magic and dirt for no determined reason either. That makes so much more sense than the Big-Bang and evolution. Thanks for clearing that up, neostryder. And the proof for this "theory" is? That we exist? Well there's evolution for that, and it has loads more proof than a fairy tale book written to amuse the people two-or-so thousand years ago. Keep looking, while the scientisis actually find.

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Quote by NeoStryderThe answer is simple, if you exist, that should be enought prove, science can't tell you all the answers of this universe, because was not science what create the universe.


No, that's because Science requires one to not assert things one doesn't know as an absolute truth (or even things one "knows"). Unlike with religion, which makes claims regarding absolute truths without evidence, Science doesn't make claims of absolute truth even with evidence.

And as for the rest of your flawed logic: Science didn't create the law of gravitation, yet it explains it. Therefore Science can explain things "it" didn't create. Actually, I don't think Science can create anything (that's how humans apply what they learn from Scientific inquiry), it's just the study of the natural world. Don't mix up the fact that humans have a lot to learn with Science not being able to "tell you all the answers of the universe".

reening

Black Passion

God created science. He just didn't teach us how.

When there is a dream, there is a fantasy

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gaara-no-shukaku

gaara-no-shukaku

Retired Waller

I'm sorry if my questions will be out-of-topic. I want to ask those atheists:

1. What do you believe? Is it only scientific proofs?
2. What do you think will happen to you if you're dead?
3. Why you want to be atheist?

tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

1. What do you believe? Is it only scientific proofs?
Yes, or things that seem reasonable but that don't have proof yet. But since science advances daily, things may shift tomorrow. I believe in whichever scientific theory holds preeminence at this time, that is verified multiple times, and that holds reasonable proof.

2. What do you think will happen to you if you're dead?
We die. Forever. I know this is intolerable to you religious types, a friend of mine actually cried when I discussed this with her. But there is no evidence that anything happens to us after our death.

3. Why you want to be atheist?
Because it makes sense. Why do you want to be muslim, when there are literally hundreds of other religions that all claim to true, same as yours?

Think about this quote:
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
The Buddha

And reening, that's a cop-out. Give me proof of god before you say he "made" science. And anyway, if god created anything, it would be the laws of nature and the universe that science observes. Your post is nonsensical and weak. Go work on it.

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Quote by gaara-no-shukakuI'm sorry if my questions will be out-of-topic. I want to ask those atheists:

1. What do you believe? Is it only scientific proofs?
2. What do you think will happen to you if you're dead?
3. Why you want to be atheist?

1. Reality.

2. You die. Your brain and organs stop functioning, you are no longer conscious, the end. You know that feeling before you were born? No? Exactly. That's the feeling after death, you don't even know you're dead because you can't "know" without a brain.

"I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." - Mark Twain

3. Because the alternative is ignorance and delusion, and I won't lie to myself to be conforted.


Now go respond to the Islam thread.

reening

Black Passion

alright then. But one thing is for sure, if there was no God, there wouldn't be science.

When there is a dream, there is a fantasy

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tobiast88

tobiast88

No patience for fools.

Wrong. On two accounts, no less.
One: You're not talking about science, which is the observation of phenomena and extrapolation from these to form theories. Science is a human activity. You are talking about god creating the laws of our universe; you are really saying "if there was no god, there wouldn't be the laws of the universe".
Two: Our Universe came into being with a set of rules, like light speed, the weight of a proton, strong force, weak force, etc etc, and we observe these. It's the anthropic principle: we exist because the universe holds to certain laws, and we observe the laws of this universe; and if the universe were different, we would be different as well, and other idiots would marvel over those laws saying only a creator could have made them.
I simply don't understand why there must be a creator for you people. Our universe is governed by certain laws, so the universe came into being with hose laws by the big bang. Scientists can only theorize on why these laws exist, but it certainly does not mean there must be a god.

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