Loveless is creepy

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Is it just me or is the love situation in Loveless really creepy. I mean an adult freaking hitting on a lil' boy....the kid probably hasn't even hit puberty yet. I had to stop watching the series because it was just too gross. I have a 7yr old son and the thought of him being seduced by an older man when he is like 13-14 totally freaks me out. I'm totally cool with gay anime in fact its hot but this just goes beyond that and I also don't like it when the girl is like 12 and the guy is like in his 20s ... it just ain't right! But thats just my rant tell me how you fell about the subject k! ^_^'

  • Jul 16, 2006

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Hmm...I've seen all of loveless, and personally, its one of my favorites. I know its wrong for a 20yr. old guy to be hitting on a 12yr. old boy, because that is beyond bad, but I doubt that's the author's message to the viewing public. I mean, if you think about it, Ritsuka was going trough alot of crap, mentally and physicly w/ his mother and dying brother, even though Soubi lied to him (alot), that was the only person he could go for comfort. I'm pretty sure Soubi knew as well who he was dealing with too, a 12yr. old boy, I'd say he'd wait until he was legal to actually make a strong move on him. >.>

It's an Anime, and by seing it, we can (possibly) learn from it, say loving our kids more and teaching them strong good values.

heh, I dunno if I made sence, but that's my opinion.! ^__^;;

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  • Jul 16, 2006
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wow I thought I would get more of a response to this.... and Yuki456 thats cool that you liked it i'm not saying that ppl that like it are weirdos or anything :)

  • Jul 21, 2006
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LOLOLOL...I haven't seen it but it seems like a lolicon show the way u tell it ;)

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hum... i don't really like it that much. i stopped watching after that lesbian girl got pregnant.

  • Aug 18, 2006
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Personally I think that Soubi wouldn't even lie a finger on Ritsuka :)

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I heard a lot of good things about the show, but what turn me off was the lame powers they had.

  • Aug 19, 2006
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Personally, I love this series, and I guess I think Soubi knows both himself and Ritsuka well enough to not try anyting yet. I mean, he cares about Ritsuka enough to know better.... but thats just my opinion...

  • Aug 26, 2006
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I did not realise what Loveless was all about when I started on the first episode. Suffice to say I stopped watching at episode 1. Gay themes never appeal much to me.

  • Aug 26, 2006

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Quote by xmonkiehum... i don't really like it that much. i stopped watching after that lesbian girl got pregnant.

Uhh....she never got pregnant, that was a joke.

Anyway.

Loveless isn't creepy at all to me. Soubi even blatantly tells Ritsuka at some point that Seimei ordered him to fall in love with him. The whole fighter/sacrifice thing also has romantic connotations, and it's all part of the story. Plus, it's cute, in my opinion.

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I first caught sight of Loveless at a con and the first ep confused me to no end. Sometime later, I found myself reading the Chinese version of the manga.

I had a BIG BIG problem with Ritsuka looking that cute. And it's not just boyish cute...it's a girlish cute. Ritsuka is pretty, too pretty. Really don't like the style of the artwork. But the mysterious atmosphere of the work kept me flipping page after page.

But Loveless reminded me of this book "The Beautiful Boy" found at Amazon.com (see link)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847825868/sr=1-1/qid=1156560981/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-0278034-2572830?ie=UTF8&s=books

Luckly my library had it and the photographs of boys are truly breathtaking!

One intriguing discussion is child photography vs child pornography. One female pphotographer was widely critisized for her works because the boys were SO beautiful, so captivating, that the viewers felt uncomfortable being so drawn to the image and felt it was wrong. So is it a sin to love beautiful boys?

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uh, im a yuri fanboy so, yaoi makes me wanna strangle someone :)

I honestly believe that if a 12 year old loved a 20 year old and if its ONLY true love then *shrug* thats how it is, morality dosent even come into it.

But its not like a 12 year old has any clue what love is.

  • Aug 26, 2006

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im pretty sure soubi wouldnt touch ritsuka if ritsuka sed he didnt want him to... but its jus a story... so dont worry about it ^^ an dont people say that age doesnt matter wen it koms to lov? ^^ [yeah... i like lovless XD ^^'']
m.i.a. ^^

  • Sep 03, 2006
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Like Raden-Tenken, I'm a yuri fan, not a yaoi fan (only unlike him, I'm a girl). I only watched the episodes that had the Kouya/Yamato arc. I found those two to be a wonderful couple. I found the idea of a 12 year old and a 20 year old to be the biggest turn off of the show. I'll easily admit that there were certain aspects other than the yuri that I enjoyed though.

  • Sep 04, 2006
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hmm from what i read loveless is creepy but you have to admit the storys good and also the chars

  • Oct 04, 2006
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i think also loveless is a wonderful boy
may be wrong if loveless love shoubi but i don't interested in
to me,that's very wonderful!

  • Oct 13, 2006

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It is slightly creepy, but for me that's part of the appeal. I've become quite a huge fan of Loveless, and I'm a shounen-ai fan anyway... so the anime is something that would naturally appeal anyway. The slight creepiness just adds a bit more 'X-factor'. :)

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Even though Ristsuka may be 12 and Soubi may be 20 or 20-something, the point is that they don't seem that way. They don't act their age. It was difficult for me at first to believe he was as young as he apparently was!

Ritsuka voluntarily reads books by Nietzsche (or however you spell his name). This is not something a normal 12 year old would do. In this instance, it would be better to take their emotional age and use it instead of the actual age to compare the difference. Emotionally, Ritsuka is very advanced and mature.

Their relationship is based on emotions anyway, so the real difference between them isn't so large as immediately thought. They think they can make it work, so let them! [Yes, this just a story and this is just my opinion... ^_^']

A real lolishota relationship, where the characters act their age, I would be against though.

  • Oct 16, 2006
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Hakaze's covered most of what I wanted to say, but it wouldn't hurt to post anyways...

First off, I don't think many people seem to get the point of the series, or what the author was trying to get across. It gives you a philosophical view on love and relationships. Even the fighting scenes are based around the idea that "words have power". The manga has more of this than the anime, and makes a whole lot more sense besides.

Anyways, the point of this series isn't titilation. The point of it is to make you think. The main themes seem to be "What is love?", "What does it mean to live?", and eventually, subtly, "Love knows no bounds." In keeping with that, it would be natural to assume that Soubi and Ritsuka's relationship isn't very sexual, if at all. In fact, I doubt Soubi would ever actually do anything more than kiss the boy, even if ordered. He wouldn't do it until Ritsuka's of legal age, at least. It's more about the emotions, and the connecting of two souls despite fate itself trying to tear them apart (as attested by the name thing). It's a very touching series if you view it that way.

Secondly, most people seem to forget that Soubi was ordered to /love/ Ritsuka. So he wouldn't do anything that he thinks would hurt him, even if asked/ordered. He's submissive to the point of being subservient, and it's to a fault. So he wouldn't do anything of his own initiative, besides maybe a few kisses. Anything else would be too out of character for him.

So if you add all of those things together, and keep them in mind, it's not really that creepy. It's often tragic, twisted in places, and sometimes defiant, but not "creepy" in the real sense of the word. Also, I wouldn't recommend it to a casual shounen-ai reader, since it is one of those "deep thinking" series. Anyone who's not willing to have their beliefs challenged shouldn't read or watch it. Being challenging is something Kouga Yun is good at, isn't it? After all, this is the author of Earthian. Plenty of people thought that was disturbing.

  • Jan 28, 2007
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I just happened upon this thread and wanted to offer a round of applause for the previous post. While I agree that Loveless, because of certain themes, may not be for everyone, I too believe that Loveless is a series with much more depth than a lot of people make it seem. What I'm honestly most perturbed about is the fact that this series seems to have such a mob of shounen-ai fangirls who like the series BECAUSE of the shotacon (which is of debatable existence), or some other shallow reason like the boy-love or cat ears, and miss out completely on everything else.

The author seems to have intended much more than that. Although sometimes, when I look at her "fetishized" artworks (a lot of the color arts), I begin to wonder. It seems like she is catering to those types of fans, which is really a mystery because I think the series has potential for broader appeal (as long as one is at least willing to accept those themes and/or get past them). Yun Kouga: Brilliant, or just a perv herself? Hmm.

  • Feb 20, 2007

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Honestly, I don't think Loveless is really "creepy" at all. On the surface, yes, Yun Kouga's story has a bit of a Vladmir Nabokov "Lolita" feel to it. But I don't think that this is Kouga's intention.

Ritsuka, who is 12/13 years old (I can't remember exactly at the present moment), is going though deep psychological trauma. His mother is not only a basket-case, but she's abusive. His brother, Seimei, who was his only escape from the abuse, has died. And on top of this, Ritsuka is having a personality crisis as prompted by his crazy mother continually telling him "You're not MY Ritsuka."

Soubi, while he is indeed older, understands this. For a YAOI anime/manga, Soubi makes much less of an intimate move upon a poor vulnerable boy than he could. He even states several times that we won't do anything with Ritsuka until "he's older" or "grown up." He understands that there is still a naive innocence to Ritsuka (defined by the cat ears/tail), and actually seems to CHERISH it. The big deal is helping the adolescent through his psychological trauma. It's love on a far deeper level than lust, and therefore doesn't register as all that "creepy" or pedophilic. Granted, the method behind this may be a little disorienting, but that's also an issue that Kouga is addressing: life isn't easy. Can we find people to rely on to help us through it?

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I thouhgt it was quite beautiful and just an artistic expression. Plus it's not as if Ritsuka is going to lose his ears anytime soon in the series, he's just too cute to!

  • Oct 17, 2007
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I guess it is!
the age....
college guy x little kid (>.>;)

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