Well, Keiichi, I don't want to sound like it's something personal... Or that I'm attacking your point of
view. I say this because I had certain bad experiences with someone waaay too radical and waaaay to fast in insulting in
the Science and Religion Forum. Also, I'm not from an globalyfobic or left wing group. In fact, I hate them. If you
have watched the news, you already know how much damage they have done in my Country these last months.
You have made your points very well, just wanted to share my own point of view, since I'm Mexican.
Quote by KeiichiDo you think
that a fence will stop inmigrants or at least do a better work than the border patrol and the minute
men?.
The minute men shouldn't even count. They're a bunch of paranoic paramilitars no better than the KKK or the
SS. Have you seen the documental "Armies of Evil"? I say this because I've listened to them in the news:
"...they want to conquer back this territory..." There's something definetely wrong with them. The Border
Patrol are and should be the only authority in the matter.
Quote by Keiichimany of them do
not care about leave everything and risk the life in the desert. For many mexicans (and people from latin america) the
US is the only place on the face of Earth that give real chances of achieve a good level of
life.?.
Yes, but you got to have in mind that leaving everything and risk their lives it's not for fun. Imagine to leave
your family, friends, everything... Imagine to have start from plain zero.
Know why? It's called DESESPERATION. If they could, they wouldn't do it. You are from Costa Rica, you
don't have to go too far to find despair among your people. The same happens in Europe with Africans.
Quote by KeiichiI am from Costa
Rica, i do not agree with the ilegal inmigrants for a simple reason. The only way to improve the life of your family is
to work and improve your OWN COUNTRY. I feel sick when i hear a mexican speak of rights when he breaks the law. The laws
are there for a reason..?.
I agree. They're breaking a law. But people can't wait until their country is improved to FEED their children.
Again, desesperation.
Quote by KeiichiIf the mexican
people is poor, the should blame their own goverment instead of cross the border and blame the american goverment of
their problems, as they did in the protests this year.
They do not blame the US. They know is the country that has given all that they have. They protest against politicians.
Remember that an election has just happened in the US, and there ANYTHING THAT CAN BE USED AS A WEAPON TO GAIN VOTERS,
WILL BE USED AS A WEAPON TO GAIN VOTERS.
It's the same retoric Bush used to win again. While the Democrats talked about other possibilities than staying in
Irak, Bush talked about security and being a the same great country despite that they didn't find weapons of mass
destruction. Not that Saddam didn't deserve what he got, but that should have been disscused in the UN.
What the democrats didn't count is that they were talking to people with ceirtain culture. Bush was talking to
"Joe SixPack", wich makes the most of US population.
Quote by KeiichiSo I think that
a fence between Mexico and the US is not going to stop the problem, the only way to solve the issue is that Mexico, a
big and rich country, achieve real development. But it is up to mexicans to achieve that. Same goes to the rest of Latin
America. What the US can do is pressure the goverments of those countries to work for their people and avoid
corruption.
The problem is way too complicated to disscuss it in a few lines. Yes, Mexico has richeness. But it also has cultural
traumas, as most of the Latin American countries do. A writer said once that we "are the cildren of a rape".
Sounds a bit exagerates, but it could be true. I live in Yucatan, a state with a soil that's almost 60% pure rock,
and no rivers nor lakes. It's hard to scratch someting from the land (my mother's family had ranches), and
however, the level of life is higer than in other states. There's not so much migration as in other states. I had
been in Chiapas twice. All the water of the southeast of Mexico comes from there. It's always green. It has at
least 10 ecosystems. Their dry season is better than our rainseason. Empires flourished there in the past. However, is
one of the poorest states. People of ceirtan towns that are tourist atraction have become practically beggars.
Why? I don't know. Some say that Spanish destroyed the ancient methods of land explotation. They were adventurers,
from dry north Spain, they didn't know very much about ecology and impossed their ways. On the other hand, more
recently, the jungles and tropicals forest have almost dissappeared, overexploited by US' and transnational
companies.
Ignorance and poverty are the main problems.
Also the dry north of Mexico is richest than the prodigal south. Strange contradictions. But you can find these
contradictions in every country.
Quote by KeiichiIf Latin
America reach a decent level of life, the ilegal inmigration to the US from Mexico will be a matter of history or just
minor problem that can be controled.
Yes, how are we going to help our countries? But also, we got to have in mind that the US is made almost entirely of
inmigrants.
What happened to what's inscripted in the Statue of Liberty? "Give your opressed masses?..." How about
the "Melting Pot?" Where the people of the "Mayflower" the only with rigth to inmigrate? How about
giving the entire US back to Native Americans? I'm not pointing this as sarcams or ingenuity, it's only to
make a point about the hipocresy of politicians and how their ideals come and go like the waves of the sea, depending on
their interest.
Mexico is not asking the US to solve our problems. But there are problems that we share. People go there because
they're wanted as a workforce. Even sometimes explioited.
The fence is a political excuse to gain votes, and a waste of money, instead of destinating that money to the Border
Patrol. It only encourages racism and xenofobic just like the minutemen. And yes, it could be compared to the Berlin
Wall. Wall never are solutions.
merged: 11-10-2006 ~ 12:29pm
Quote by cetraxThose crazy
bastards will always find a way in.
Yes, that is what I'm talking about. Bravo, cetrax, that was very racist and offeding. Let's also give
moderator CANDY-CHAN an aplausse for the nice job he/she is doing about making MT's rules of tolerance and tact
being respected.