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Will the fence stop inmigration from Mexico?

Will the US-Mexico fence stop inmigration?

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I teach English at an Institute here and yesterday i had a really moving experience related to this topic. Here in Costa Rica we have a similar issue with inmigrants from Nicaragua... they come here to find a job and a decent life, because their corrupt and useless goverments had turn that country into a living hell.

I was talking about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement with a girl and i found out that she is an inmigrant from Nicaragua. The topic touched her deeply, because she feels the discrimination in my country, similar to the one that the black people felt (or still feel) in the US. She started to cry, and i was moved, when she told me that she had to left her family in Nicaragua to come here, work and help them. This is a young girl, 16 years old, working hard to support her family. Her story made me rethink about this topic.

I still belive that we have to pressure those goverments to do THEIR JOB RIGHT! IF MY COUNTRY IS SUFFERING A BAD TIME, INSTEAD OF RUN AWAY I BELIVE THAT I SHOULD WORK HARDER AND MAKE THINGS BETTER. But i don´t know nothing about being in a state of desperation. I m lucky to live in a country without army, a country that saw the last war 50 years ago. Many people around the world don

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I honestly doubt that a "Amerikan Wall" will stop the illegal aliens from coming over the border between the U.S. and Mexico. Yes, it 's true some of the "Illegal Alien " see the U.S.A. a land of bounty and joy. If the United States really wanted to stem the flow of Illegal Aliens, building a fence will slow some of the people , not all ! If a person want to come over, they will. Just ask any survivor who "crossed the border between East and West Berlin/ West ? East Germany" Or perhaps , North Korea and South Korea ?
Ask the dead ones, ask all you want, to them , they believed, risked their lives and paid for as well.

Both the United States and Mexico need to work out an "Economic Plan" that will constructively benefit both nations and the peoples. I believe that the Mexican government needs to do more. Unfortuanely, they don't care, because the "excess" is heading to the USA. The Mexican government would be happy to let the people go. Less mouths to feed and care fore !

Let the ""Good ol' USA take care of them. Yeah, let's spend more money ! Not to keep the Illegal Aliens out, but to keep the Amerikans from fleeing in to Mexico or Canada !

melikecookies

melikecookies

cookie monster

a fence can slow someone down, but you can always find a way around it if you try hard enough

Hi

beyondmeasure

From the mind comes the query.

A wall? Seriously?
Then, let me put this straight:
That plan is utterly harebrained, a complete waste of time, effort, and money. The reasons are painfully obvious.
Maybe someone from the world outside could gently knock on the White House's doors and get an explanation why they took up on this scheme.

Will the wall stop immigration from Mexico? Did the Great Wall stop Mongols from invading China? There's your answer.

I very highly doubt it. I mean...it's a fence for one. Umm tunnels? Yea. I see it going down badly.

Necessity is the mother of invention. In other words, no a mere fence will not stop people from entering America illegally. A fence cannot keep the human mind from working, and subsequently cannot keep illegal immigrants out of America. It may stem the entrance, but it certainly won't stop it.

As my US History teacher said, America should be working with Mexico so "they won't want to come here". That is the only way to stop the waves of illegal immigrants. A fence is a bit of a waste of money.

LigerZSchnider

LigerZSchnider

Litterbox Trained........

For once, I have to agree with both Keiichi and Mireya......... both made intresting observations, however Mireya, the US outsourced so many jobs to Mexico to try to offset the imbalance years ago during the Bush Sr. /Clinton era.........that was when many Americans were up at arms over the WTO agreement. However, the Big Three automakers and many textile companies couldn't quench the thrist of some sort of freedom the Mexican people were looking for. Maybe it was due to the fact that these businesses found that they could make more for themselves by paying less to those they need; workers in Mexico automotive and textile industries are make less than a fraction that most Americans make in pay doing the same job. I know it sucks but oh well. And keeping Mexicans from crossing the borders by building a super fence isn't going to help either. That is going to suck to......... but, oh well. Besides, who is going to build it? Probally the Mexicans anyway! :)

As for Candy Chan........as for others speaking their minds, regardless how ethical they may be, you as a moderator should be pretty much in a neutral position when it comes to hot topic such as these, desptie what your beliefs may be. If you are a moderator for MT then be one. Your comments and open viewpoints should give others a reason to hang around and make friends here in MT, not to reflect negative reactions........ As a Minitokyo Moderator, YOU represent Minitokyo. Not the other way around.

"In the absence of orders, find something and kill it" - Erwin Rommel

lol, I like how everyone points out that US is made out of immigrants, and that we stole the land from the indians. Thats a completely bogus stand point. For starters, who drove the indians from the land? Was it me? No, it was someone who may or may not even be my ancestor, and who lived a hundred years before I was ever born. Why should I be held responsible that not only I didn't do, but that wasn't done by a single person alive today, to a single person alive today. Or even by or to a single person who knew a single person that had to go through with that. Its the same thing for the immigration. Did I immigrate? No, so why should I be responsible for what my ancestors did? I live here now, and that's all that matters.

Its not a problem of immigration all together, its the problem that there are so frekin many mexicans hopping the border. Mabye you guys don't live in one of the hardest hit states, but so far no one has been able ot give any other reason as to why CA has gotten worse and worse as more mexicans have moved in. Crime has gone up, and because there are so many moving in, house prices have gone way up past they would have if it was just other Americans moving in. Just about every area that mexicans move into seems to get more and more dangerous to live in. You can call that racist all you want, but its the truth.

Now, finally to the wall. No, it won't keep anyone out. It will help, just like the berlin wall helped keep people from crossing the borders, but wasn't able to keep them all out. It probably won't stop the number of people trying at all, just increase the number of peopel who are caught doing it. And duh, why would Bush care? Bush is for big business. Guess what. Big business want illegal immigrants because they can pay them dirt cheap instead of americans who actually want real saleries and get away with it. Republicans just have to look like they are doing something because thats what their constituencies want them to do. Basically, either way nothings going to happen because the top of both sides won't actually do anything about it.

Oh boy. Another anti-globalization guy blaming big business and free market capitalism. I guess you'd like it better if we applied protectionist (ie SOCIALIST) policies to prevent them from taking our jobs huh?

huh? what are you talking about? I said that big businesses want illegal immigrants because they can hire them for cheaper. Are you seriously saying that thats not true? And if so, how do you figure that people wouldn't hire the cheapest workers they can get? I can guees what probably led you to believe that I was anti-business, but what exactly made you think I was anti-globilization and anti free market? And where did I even imply I wanted protectionist policies instated, and WTF did socialism have to do with anything? All i said was the reason that I thought that nothing will ever happen (which I see no to little evidence not to believe so), and that I thought that having so many mexicans hopping the borders does create a problem for the economy (which is once again something that no one has gotten even remotely close to proving wrong). If your not talking about me, sorry, but either way you need to be more specific about what/who your talking to/about.

No, I was referring to Lou Dobbs.

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As for Candy Chan........as for others speaking their minds, regardless how ethical they may be, you as a moderator should be pretty much in a neutral position when it comes to hot topic such as these, desptie what your beliefs may be. If you are a moderator for MT then be one. Your comments and open viewpoints should give others a reason to hang around and make friends here in MT, not to reflect negative reactions........ As a Minitokyo Moderator, YOU represent Minitokyo. Not the other way around.

I didn't realize we were living in China where people aren't allowed to express their opinions. Sounds more like a chicken who's afraid of a little competition. CLUCK, CLUCK.

Miriam-Yukari

Miriam-Yukari

Yukari * Ikimashyo

Answer to the question: NO, that's just naive.

And Yes, I agree with most of you, the mexican goverment should gave more importance to the Inmigration issue, but I think many of you had the worng idea about this.

Mexican and many other people go to the USA to WORK, yes, they don't pay taxes but they don't have health inssurance or access to their children education. Most of the time, their house is made of paperboard, they don't live like many of you: they don't have TV, kitchen, or even a bed. They lived with 20 or more people along with rats and cockroachs.

I think that is easy for middle class people to say: "Well, can't they get a job?" but sadly the answer is no, Here in Mexico aren't many opportunities of getting a job (not in the city, much less in the country) even if you had a good education. I know this would sound cliche but "Put yourselves in their shoes". Imagine: you invest time and money in a harvest and for bad weather you loose everything, now you don't have anything to sell, you don't have the money you invest, you have children to FEED and ... what else can you do? cross the board, 'cause in a very short time you can gain enough money to mantain your family and to paid your debts.

I think is sad that people in both countries do not care about this issue, this wall and organizations like the Minute Man are no solution. Please reconsider your opinion if you are in favor of any radical solution, this is a problem that has been outhere and has grown for many years, what we need is reforms to the laws in both countries, not bricks to separate people, don't you think?

Also I just like to add, I'M OFFEND: "bastard"? "alien"? I don't know about you (candy-chan) but when someone call ME ('cause I'm mexican) like that I tend to take that as an offend.

Mods aren't people! They should be examples to everyone by not saying anything not mod-related!/sarcasm

Why should a mod be in a nuetrul postion? They should not use their powers to influence either side (like banning someone for disagreeing with them), but why shouldn't a mod be able to participate on a forum they are wasting their time to watch over?

Duuz

Duuz

Master of Disaster

Yeah, the US could preasure Mexico to do it's job and work to improve the status of it's people. But every time the US tells any country to do what's right they generally get the same responce "Mind your own damn buisness!" Face the truth, none of your world leaders care. Oh they might put on a show to sway public opinion they do, but it's a facade. That IS what the minute men are there for, they only report to authorities about illeagal crossings they do not take any physical/offensive action. Anyone saying other wise are liars and create fraudulent documentarys the likes of Micheal Moore.

I've seen enough to think the US dosen't need a fence, just more man power. Put a few squadrons of those Predator drones patroling the boarder and you could spot a group of illegal immigrants crossing from 5 miles away. Then just send the boarder patrol to that location and the illegals will never know how they were found.

Immigrants can come to the US for work, but there are legal channels they must go through. Much like the legal channels every US citizen has to go through to get a drivers license, register to vote, buy or sell property like houses and cars, background checks for legal ownership of handguns. It's illegal for a citizen to bypass these things, so why should illegal immigrants get a free pass and a free ride on the back of the US tax payer that is already over taxed?

Besides if I were to cross illegally over into Mexico, when found I would be arrested, fined and then thrown into prison for a while. Mexico doesn't tolerate Illegal Immigrants or give them any rights at all.

In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

SamuraiHaruko

SamuraiHaruko

Butterfly

They always find a way in.

No, I'm not racist. why would I be racist towards my own ppl? xD

Magically Delicious, yo.

I'm not saying it is right but when people are desperate abiding the law is the last thing on their mind (fence or no fence). I live in California and personally I think having the fence is a bad idea and a waste of resource. Of course, contractors hired to build and company supplying building material will be happy.

It wont stop anything, its only going to be another international shame by the US.
For mexicans (i am one) , the US is not sacred or "the only place with chances", actually, most of us have negative pints of view of our neighbour, but what the hell, for the average inmigrat inmigration is about money, they give a s**t about the politics and their wars, and is the neares "rich country" so its more an obious option than a personal and well tot choice.

The wall, fence or however they call it is just another tool of the facist goverment of bush to give the people more sense of security, but is absolutely worthless and useless ( even Swarzenegger, who is against unlegal inmigration, said it wasnt any solution per se ), it wont stop inmigrants nor terrorists.

ether92

ether92

Missing that little Devil.

Wow, you sure know how to throw a rock Keiichi,
let me tell ya one thing, I came to the US as a immigrant, why? you ask, because that was the last choise I got, do you really think I came here just for fun, just to bother the people? NO! I came here because I want to live, I could be death by now if I were in my country, heck men, you don't know anything and yet you dare to say all that, it is sad enough to leave my family, and now some racist like you tell me the you are sick of us just because we want to live, I don't get it, you are from Costa Rica, why are you getting in the US busyness, know your place pal, we do this for a reason, I'm sure you'll do the same if you were on our place.

So Long.

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they will always find a way in to the states and i hate that. soon the usa will become mexico. i also dislike them verry much(i am not going to say hate cause i bet thier are some of them on mt) because i am beaing forced to lern spaish like hell i will its not fair that amrican students are beaing forced to learn SPANISH honstly i do no pay any atenchon in spaish class and i dont plan to if the mexicans want to talk to someone in spanish go the hell back to mexico!

what am i to do with you?
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Best way to deal with this problem is set up turret guns all along the border and just kill ALL who cross set up an ass load of signs in every language and blow all who violate it away cuz were basicly at war with mexico there just a long drawn out one as they slowly invade and take over the US so its a war kill them k ty bye.

Silverwolf12

Silverwolf12

Ed's love

No, I live in AZ, they will at lest find another way in. I wonder if they know how messed up our own government is? The US has cosed so many problems in the past and the present it's not funny in the least!

Well people... being an inmigrant is hard... but it should be the last resort for many people to have to leave their homeland trying to get a better life or in some cases trying to save it.

I just think that the best solution for this issue is to prevent evils like wars and poverty... thats the only way to prevent mass inmigratation without control.

Well thats just my point of view.

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Yeah, the reason behind all of this is wars and poverty, and even if they put guns they wouldn't prevent people from trying to cross, because their life is so hard and their poverty so extreme in many cases, that they would take the risk, and of course it'd be unhuman to do that. Instead of doing something so barbarian like wasting tons of money in wars and walls, they should focus on solving the problems that cause poverty: wars, enviromental contamination, racism, etc.

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In poor countries, people who speak English are the ones who get the best education and information, and that's really sad, because nobody wants to teach English to poor kids, because they won't be paid for it ... And that's why these kids won't get good jobs in the future. Why aren't there better things in our own languages? Please don't complain on the importance of knowing a second or even a third language, beacuse nobody should be prefered over others, and you'd be assuming that you don't have to learn another language, and other people have to lear yours because you are more important than them. Poor people are forced to learn English, with few resources, and it's sad to read that people who can have a good education are complaining about learning another language. Besides knowing many languages makes people more intelligent.

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