What's happened to Minitokyo?

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Just like the thread title says...whats happened to minitokyo? I'm referring to several things...member activity is one, seems to be almost at a standstill from my point of view anymore. New scans even with the credit promotion seem far and few between (good ones that is.) I hate to make a comparison but it's hard not too, I go to AP as well the number of quality scans coming in there seems to make Minitokyo pale in comparison anymore. I see quite a few people migrating over there as well.

Is Minitokyo becoming to strict? I wonder that myself sometimes. I realize with the whole "Google" deal with the family friendly content that some submissions aren't fit, but at times I think it's taken way too far. I believe that is having a adverse affect on the community. No one wants to submit anymore because too many things of quality are being deleted.

Attitude seems another thing, tempers seem short to me...members aren't getting addressed with the proper respect they deserve. Questions go unanswered and I'm a firm believer in if someone ask's a question, it deserves and answer.

If things like these continue I don't see Minitokyo going in a good direction, and I for one wouldn't like that. I come here everday, however lately it's been for less and less time. What can we do to bring Minitokyo back to life?

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Its because I haven't posted in a while :)
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  • Dec 07, 2006

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I agree with fluke the community is going downwards here.

I think Minitokyo is becoming to strict with the scan and wallpaper submissions, one can't post anything anymore really then gets banned for nudity, etc. purpose where there is no nudity. I don't get it!

I personally like this community but I'm spending more time at AP these days because this one is going the way it's going!

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I'm not sure if you're talking about recently or has this been ongoing? As for recently, I for one, haven't been as active as usual because yes, it's that time of year... FINALS. I'm pretty sure that's probably the case for a lot of other members as well.

This topic seems similar to Shin's old thread: Problems with Minitokyo and How to Address Them: a Discussion It's kind of old, but maybe some of the solutions in there would be feasible.

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At this point minitokyo is broken and it has been since credits'n google. We argue about a credit system that was added with little community discussion before the fact, poor support afterwards. Google gets more control over the content of this site than we do but they give porno instead of answers, family friendly my ***. All good images are either 3 years old and waiting to be deleted or are deleted within 10 minutes. My sister has an account here and over half of her wallpapers were deleted as rips, there is little proof needed around here. This thread is a point that needs to be made before we lose anyone else. Sad as it is 4chan and it's clones are better than this now that people can't find good images here. Thats if you can take the hentai

That is all before the forums come in to play I'd rather get flamed on a fansub forum where things can get brutal than get ignored here. The credits system needs to be fixed and nothing angers me more than an image that glitches during download, wastes my free download quota because I have to refresh the page thus deducting an additional time for the same image. Twice recently that happened I didn't get the image lost all my quota and didn't have enough credits. and this "wait a day" fix is stupid as this is caused by a broken system.

The forums need to improve but I believe the problem is that the forums are now used for gang warfare between people on both sides of the problem and when something is done it is done too an extreme degree like when the free download quota was dropped from 30 to 5 they didn't even bother testing 15 or even 10. This community has been stacked aginst those like myself who have no artistic talent although that improved with the scan submission rules what are the chances that those won't be 10 minute deletions. I'll be about submiting a suprise later though ^.^ It won't get deleted on overcooked family friendlyness. But they'll find an excuse. See ya over with the scans.

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hmm...maybe so be i have comed to mt every single day without fail unless there are server errors..! ^^ it has been like 52 weeks ago, but never has it bored me..! i think maybe those inactive members who have not used their accounts after signning up is one thing, and some other stuff like people just come here to get scans and wallpaper and just leave after that beacuse of free quota, maybe that you can do something about it, and you have to post to earn your credits and than you can download wallpaper and scans, like in AP, you have to post to get papers..! ^^ i think it will help, maybe a section, in your control panel where you can invite members by sending them a invitation, like come join minitokyo, when you put your e.mail kind of thing..! ^^ that way mt would be more active and everyone will be more happy..! ^^ and participation level and artistic levels are not moving, something wrong? cause some people see that they have participated alot but levels not going up making them a little discouraged, so yeah! that's all but i'll try inviting more people myself, ne..!

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I'm pretty sure fluke is talking about recent events. I for one I'm not a member of AP, I just don't care to join another anime scan/art type of thing. I'll firstly talk on my views of scans. I find it lacking recently, I think it's the family friendly business. While I agree with it in some matters, I think it's way too strict for today's standards. Anime in recent times features a lot more fanservice than ever, we are missing quite a bit of scans from series because of the strict rules here on submissions. 4chan is starting to become a better high quality scan source than ever, and no credits/papers to deal with, download is free. I'm not saying we should feature naked anime girls or whatever, but the rules are far too strict.

Inactivity ... Well, it could be as some mentioned: Finals. But even then, last December I recall it being more active. Personally I used to think of this place as very friendly and good source of scans/wallpapers ... Now all of it is lacking, members are being smart-asses with their comments, sarcasm taken in disrespectful ways. But I just looked over that, I know one person doesn't go here anymore because of worse experiences.

Clarification <-- An example of mods being less friendly. I read this a week ago, I understand where the mods are getting at. I'd like to say, a forum is a COMMUNITY. I think members would like to feel welcome, and why would posting in someone's thread be bad? Hey, if it's a friend of theirs maybe they just want to show support. I don't recall hundreds of members posting in those threads like crazy anyways .. It's up to the thread creator if it's annoying, since he/she is asking the question! Just leave it as it is, you guys can delete posts if it bothers you so much.

I'm getting at that the mods, besides maybe 4, are quite rude to members, ruining the friendly atmosphere. Yes we need rules, yes we need structure. There is a way to show the rules in a decent manner. As for unanswered questions, I don't have any solid evidence of that, since I haven't seen it as of late. So I can't comment on what fluke said about that.

As for the forum part, well, in the thread fireflywishes gave says it all. I just don't bother with the forums usually. But finally, I must mention MT is very well written, and functions good when up. Downtimes don't annoy me as I'm not as addicted as before, haha.

I thought I'd mention something about the mascot contest ... While it's a good thing members get to make a background for it. But the mascot itself has an odd resemblance to Animesuki's mascot: Kairin ~ Animesuki Mascot .. It could just be a big coincidence. Although it doesn't look very original in the end. Plus when I think MiniTokyo I would think of a more modern looking girl.

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i agree MT is too strict, the mods here r prettie rude, even if they rn't try to be(no offense), and it is weird, i have problems wid my skin builder, and sum threads screw up sumties.....

  • Dec 08, 2006
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I do agree with Fluke on this. MT has became a sort of to strict place to come at times. I see the popular scanners constantly getting punished or somin for bad quailty scans and such, but I think the quailty of scans should be lowered some, at least the scan population would contribute some to comments and favs activity in the site, yet not try to ruin MT scan gallery to much. All I know for sure is if we want to keep MT a wallpaper site, we need scanners. Without scanners, you dont have scans for wallpapers and vectors. Without wallpapers and vectors in a wallpaper/scan website you have nothing but old material, and not enough new fresh stuff like AP coming in to help keep this place alive and kicking. I do though think MT is pretty much alive, I visit here everyday, I pretty much live here.

I do think the moderation of MT is to harsh or more of a word as scary. I see so many unwritten rules that get inforced and lead to members getting letters from mods that upset them. Like for example the no bringing back alive old forum topics by posting in a old thread, some of these MT newbies dont know that, and neither did I for it was not a Rule written in MT but a secret one I guess until one of my old threads got commented in and my forum got closed. Also I've found another not rule but notice that to many banners in MT submittions is not allowed, yet not a rule.

I continlly see members getting fussed at or talked down to here at MT. This is becoming more frequent and leading us members to being scared of MT, and these rules that we dont know about. I mean I might be breaking something right now and dont even know it, thats a scary thought and I if were a new member I would just leave and not want to stay at a site that surprises you with unwritten rules and rude moderators, that punish or yell at you. Same with old members that have been at MT and contributed alot to its activity, and suddenly have it all change or something pop out at you once you felt at home, I know I would get mad.

I also see wrongfull deletions and lectures, my sister a scanner submitted self-scanned submitmissions and yet got some deleted for ripping a scan and a notice of a warning if did it again, yet she scanned them herself. That itself is contributing to the fear of members to MT, and leading to them being scared to be active here. I am not in any way saying that the staff here is rude or been mean to me, Im just saying, that we need to make MT a less scary place to be and a more fun and better one to be at.

I think I do agree with Fluke again also about the unanswered questions, I've started plenty forums with questions, and yet i've only seen one mod make a non helpful comment and have only recieved help from Fluke sometimes. I've also seen him help members all the time, and answer even the smallest of questions in people's guestbook or forums, yet he is only a Elite member and with his nice attitude and helpfullness towards other members, I would rather go to him with a problem and question than a rude and scary moderator any day.

I myself do have a AP account, but am not active in it. I am MT a 100% all the way. It is more lively, more group activity, and more friendly yes...although at AP there is less scary people and attitudes towards members, so I can understand why someone would like it there.

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Hmmm...lets see, I realize a lot of people are college students and finals are here right now, but still I think and someone prove me wrong that activity is at it's lowest...from members to elites to mods...seems all across the board to me. I've been here during a couple decembers and this place just isn't buzzing like it used to.

Threads like Devilet pointed out, I have to agree I find completly rude...this is a community people should feel free to voice their opinions whether they get taken into account or not...what possible problem could a member posting in a deletion thread cause?

Deletions...well I was going to make a complaint about one of my scans that got deleted because someone uploaded a "better" version of it...but some kind of bug happened and I just dont feel like wasting my time anymore with it. When things get deleted I really think we need to examine the scan more carefully than just a quick glance which it seems to be.

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i agree MT is too strict, the mods here r prettie rude, even if they rn't try to be(no offense), and it is weird, i have problems wid my skin builder, and sum threads screw up sumties.....

Give us some more details there sakaji...maybe make a thread about it since thats not really the topic I have here...but I'm sure we can give it a look at.

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Well with the 'suggestive content' issue going on, dosnt make much sense. i submitted an image a while ago, and it was deleted for being suggestive, but a while ago I saw the same image recently posted.
I think MT should have regulations like the ones it had when I joined. When good ecchi was available on here. Ecchi attracts attention, and doing such brings activity.
Rule should be changed back to no genitals or nipples showing.
Such images may be suggestive but they are still legal for minors to view. so as long as hentai isnt posted it should be ok.

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you know, I have no idea what this is all about, recent? Non recent? I dunno, as far as I know, being one of the old blood here, old enough I would say, the activity from some members have surely decreased, people are getting rude on the intraweb everyday, so I have no complaints as long as nobody flames my arse. Suggestive content? Oh please, go on, play your little children's game of hide the salami, go ahead, try to censure the internet... as if having work and life isn't enough, you have to submit yourself to agreeing to an agreement with site listed as family friendly and the allow your reputation to be tainted by the fact that there are advertisement bars on the page listing free porn, and then having to come here on an intraweb community and pose yourself high and mighty duty to punish the people who even dare to cross the line in Minitokyo. (namely, I guess it is safe to say that the way things are, but hell no, I must get a kick in the arse for doing it)

Rules that should have been fair and safe were going into Taliban overdrive, there was hardly any hentai, but those who dared were given the hammer of banment, easy go easy come.

Minitokyo in my opinion emphatizes too much on Zealotry, the fact you guys take everything overboard just proves it.

Initially I have no qualms with the credit system, it was fantastic mind you, especially knowing that you can make it count in the forums by working for what you want. Sweetness indeed was paid.

Then, somehow for some insane ideology of a zealotry thought, you guys brought up the no credits are shown because you are afraid to compete... (What? Are you running Eon/Proton [Malaysian National Car Company subsidised by government and losses billions each year in profit]) , Competition drives! It is not some negativity, everybody can boast how much their wallets weights, everybody had the right to know how much their account still have.

and then now, you guys give us back, you even go so far as accepting donations, and giving credits for scans....

Initially you refuse to accept donations, saying that we are paying for art (What art? it is not even authorized sales as per supplier/wholesale/secondary consumption or tertiary consumption) and now you guys do it....

Oh my, I can list a few things too with the fact that the forum gets ever the more bitchy and a few comments are always dumb ones that did not matter. Or for the fact that everyone seems to love saying things in a bad way before thinking twice.
Oh what the hell... screw that, I will just comment on walls and be over with, who cares?

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I think it is about time that Minitokyo consider: "A Market Grows because of consumption, a nation grows from its citizens, a community grows because of its ever lively, ever contributing, ever kept happy and satisfied, ever temperamental members, before you initiate an action, please consider your people, be transparent."

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Quote by PinkPrincessLacusI do think the moderation of MT is to harsh or more of a word as scary. I see so many unwritten rules that get inforced and lead to members getting letters from mods that upset them. Like for example the no bringing back alive old forum topics by posting in a old thread, some of these MT newbies dont know that, and neither did I for it was not a Rule written in MT but a secret one I guess until one of my old threads got commented in and my forum got closed.

Actually the rule about necroposting has been in effect for a while and has been explicitly stated in Shinsengumi's Forum Guidelines:

Quote: +Old and decrepit threads
If a thread has not had any new posts in over four weeks, it can be considered inactive and a new thread can be opened on the same topic.

I think the reason that new members don't know those rules is because no one bothers to read the guidelines and rules anymore. Just wanted to clarify that.

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I want the old MT back before all the credits, when you had to particapate to a basic level and ecchi was allowrd.
Look at some of the old high posters like nocturn. When was the last time we seen a submission from him and the whole sensering thing just doesn't make sense I've seen things slip and things deleted that were fine.

  • Dec 09, 2006

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Rules are meant to stay yes indeed, every now and then MT makes it impossible for us to follow them that is all, oh by the way, last I remembered someone was "writing the FAQ and Guidelines" that was 1 year ago, good luck at making it look like something Michelangelo would make, it seemed more artistic and redundant than actually useful considering the fact we all live by the old ones and knowing full well that it actually works.

and please, write it in normal understandable english rather than Oxford's

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ZOMG REVOLUTION.

Quote by flukeAttitude seems another thing, tempers seem short to me...members aren't getting addressed with the proper respect they deserve.


First off, there's only a few scary moderators. Fortunately, I'm not one of them! :D I'll always be nice to you if you ask me any questions, so feel free to.

You know that, fluke... don't you remember when you just became an Elite? ^_~

Quote by flukeQuestions go unanswered and I'm a firm believer in if someone ask's a question, it deserves and answer.


I'm confused about what you mean here. What questions aren't being answered? Do you have any examples to post? I see all of the questions asked about deleted art being answered... unless you're referring to the Bug Reports forum. The Bug Reports forum is only for Sheqel, though, since he's the only one who can fix bugs. :\

Quote by flukeNo one wants to submit anymore because too many things of quality are being deleted.


What proof do you have? I know that there is a lack of some activity, but there is still activity. Don't you see members submitting all of the art daily? Besides, even if people weren't submitting, I'm sure it wouldn't be due to the fact that we moderators have to occasionally delete art without descriptions, or the common ten minute wallpapers member's like to pull out of their sleeves. Also, you should remember that people do lose interest in things, including MT... so maybe that is the answer to your question, fluke.

Quote by flukeWhat can we do to bring Minitokyo back to life?


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^ It's not like we aren't trying to bring MT's activity back. Perhaps you guys can come up with some other ideas in this thread? I just don't want to see this turn into a "bash MT for credits lololoz" thread.

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Quote: First off, there's only a few scary moderators. Fortunately, I'm not one of them!

Never said you were one of them Brom xD

Quote: What questions aren't being answered? Do you have any examples to post?

Well, from my personal posts...you can check the mod forum in a few of the threads and the Clarification thread, hehe too lazy at the moment to go dig up the url's

Quote: What proof do you have? (of scans not being submitted)

I would say the proof lies over at AP...has anyone noticed the lack of quality scans here, in comparison, considering most of the members of AP are also members of MT?

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...I'm not even sure I want to touch that one xP haha

I thought I offered up some VERY good suggestions before, and they seemed to have gotten buried or twisted into some other ideas and or eventually just mulled over and forgotten.

Never intended to this be a bash MT thread, because simple fact is...even when this place is slow and inactive...it's a much better place to go than AP (except for the scans and wallpapers....well I guess....MT is just prettier anyways xD)

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Quote by flukeI thought I offered up some VERY good suggestions before, and they seemed to have gotten buried or twisted into some other ideas and or eventually just mulled over and forgotten.

If you have an idea for some sort of activity, grab a few of your friends and just DO it xD It's sort of unrealistic to expect all the staff to agree and jump on board to help, plus it would take too long to come to any sort of consensus. You don't really need that many people's help to start an activity either... just a few of relatively high profile people and you're basically good to go!

I think posting a link to MT's policies as a service announcement would probably help solve lots of the complaints in the thread. If a mod could just make a quick text link, or even a icon to click on, that would help loads :P

Also in reality Real Life kicks in hard, like fireflywishes said above. I just moved into a new apartment and am still settling in, my wireless is a touch slower... well, either MT has been slowing down again recently or my wireless is slow, I get the feeling it's probably both. So it's not at all conducive to the mad obsessive-compulsive wallpaper/indy art browsing that I used to do (and yeah I'm focusing on the galleries here because I don't check the forums that often :P)

One thing I've been thinking about is that it'd be nice if people find something in the galleries that you think should be highlighted, to suggest it to a staff member. Since most people usually just see pieces of the gallery, good things tend to slip through the cracks. I'm a really big fan of how daily deviations work on devART in terms of member suggests, hence the idea xD

(So yeah if you see a piece that you really think deserves to be highlighted because of its artistic merits and NOT because it's made by a friend, feel free to PM me!)

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I can`t think too much today but afther seeing this thread the only thing that i can think of is that fluke is right
I remember when I was a fresh member (MT2) ..things were new and interesting
afther some time and some events I realised that MT is no longer the community that I thought that I known
more rules were introduced to us..so MT is no longer a free community
For now I prefer to see wallpapers..etc made by others..
Mods have changed.. I somehow sence a usage of power from them lately (only my opinion) we are all humans and we do mistakes
I`m ative only on MT...and that is enough for me..all things start well and all things have an end

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I joined MT at the tail end of what I would consider its golden age (MT1). At the time, I joined this place was buzz full of activity and new people were joining en masse, established members contributing all kind of scans and creating all kind of wallpapers. In short, I thought this place was roaring wild west.

The problem I could at least see from looking back was that MT grew too fast too quickly. There was no established funding in place to provide monetary finance on the strain placed on broadband. MT had to change providers several times as it struggled with ever increasing demands placed by all the uploads and downloads. With no credit system in place at the time leechers downloaded scans and wallpapers like robber bandits.

Whenever, MT moderators tried to place some sort of organized control than members started complaining which annoyed me because of the fact that MT is free site and these idiots were doing nothing to contribute. Something had to give and MT gradually started transformation from its fun wild west beginning to its current state of sanitized but still free site. The price of course is that MT have to listen to the hand that feed you. Is this MT's fault? No, I do not think so. MT has to do something to survive and it has succeeded.

I believe MTs general members are as much at fault to the transformation of MT to its current state. We want walls and scans free but we do not want to pay.

My opinion may not be correct but that is the impression I have from the time I spent here.

  • Dec 09, 2006

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Hmmm. Reading through the posts it's pretty interesting to see the different perspectives. Just as my own personal outlook as a member of this community, I've been reading through the posts about "stricter moderation".

I remember when I was a member and this was around Mt2, moderation was even stricter than now (yes, really!). There were Instabans going around and when I first joined (like 2 weeks in) I totally freaked out when I came across guestbooks with bans (and yes they were almost instant).

My personal feeling is that many people think that moderation is a lot stricter, simply because we have narrowed down the possibilities of what members could submit. For instance:

MT2
- the Western Art Purge (fair enough, activity was still extremely high, but a few people did seem to drift off but not many),

MT3
- introduction of other gallery guidelines upon the introduction of the Elite gallery (collaged wallpapers, ghosting and the like- a few people thought that this was limiting creativity, which it is certainly not, so those left too),
- Gallery items with inadequate descriptions NOTE this is why some people's gallery items were passed off as rips, when the message really means that the item had a wishy washy description
- Family Safe content only
I won't talk about this much, but it was one of the purges/ things added into the Policy, and this I guess has lowered the interest of some.

I personally don't think moderation is "stricter", or that the rules are stricter. In the case of gallery items quality, the rules were just more succinct and were always there but spelt out more. As for mature content and everything else- well, I have nothing to really say about it. Perhaps a solution to this "narrowed down submission possibilities" issue is to bring back in more possibilities in other aspects. Like new categories, new features, other things you can submit, since these "art forms" have been killed off.

So yeah, that's my own personal impression. I don't think we've been stricter. It's just lately we may have been enforcing various aspects of the Policy more, but moderation was stricter in Mt2 in my opinion.

Credits and FDQ. Ah.
When Mt3 came in I was a member. There were 0 FDQs :)
Yet I was extremely happy to pay for every single download- and this was before the discounted scans and walls and everything came in!
So when the FDQ came in I realised I was ripped off ;) Just kidding. I didn't really like the idea of FDQ at all.
Having 5 FDQ, to me, is more than enough. 5x7 FDQ= 35 FDQ a week, provided you have a good net connection and a good eye for things.
6 highlighted items + 6 top weekly popular wallpapers = 12.
For a regular member with a normal watchlist of say 30-40 people, you will get around 20 friends submissions.
12+20 = 32.
And you might even get 3 scans extra per week, make a wall, vector or whatever and generate some extra credits for more downloads.
When your watchlist is quiet, or you don't download the highlights/ popular wallpapers because it doesn't look good to you in the thumb, you even have some spare to download on whatever you want basically.
I don't see how 5 FDQ a day is inadequate.
Credits are extremely easy to earn, yet the majority seem to feel that they are hard to earn. Even with the credits number appearing on the panel. I guess everyone wants immediate results in a give and take situation.
I contribute- straight away I must get credits- straight away I will be able to download.
But hey, if it's going to generate activity quickly like that, it might be worth a thought. Only we'll have to think of it in more detail so that the system won't be abused. *shrugs* It could be possible.

As for lower activity I guess real life and passions just eventually die away.
I've had my own life in the way of things and so my activity has decreased somewhat. I've still been trying to make contributions, just maybe not as often and as enthusiastically as I should, because of real life. The similar case has been happening to many other great people I know in Minitokyo. As a consequence, these great people who used to be highly active on Minitokyo and making the best contributions are those likely to either frequent a combination of the forums, galleries and also groups, which I find are dying.

Despite the groups announcements working as a really neat function, and being able to browse through and seeing what announcements there are, it seems that perhaps groups are getting redundant. Where there is redundancy, people join this... that... or both, and in the end the activity is washed out between them all. It's a bit like a circle of friends. You won't get addicted if you have a few different frienship rings. You only get addicted to the one group because you feel more. So yeah.

I'll leave the post to end here. Everything I wrote is basically my own opinion. Not trying to say that I'm right or proving anyone wrong or anything like that. Just my own thoughts. :)

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yup i agree, i think the FDQ is of no importance, cause no a day, credits are sort of useless, cause we dun do anything with it much, if you participate in the forum, get credits to download it seems more fun, i mean if you have 5 FDQ, people will go around download items from the gallery and dun need to participate at all cause it will refresh every 24 hours, they get things from the forum and off they go...not fair to those who participate, cause i love MT alot..! i have fun here, meet a lot of people and become really good friends, and i dun want that to be spoiled because of this. ^^ mods getting stricter not really. kuroimisa is a real nice person, she helped me lots, if you saying that mods are mean and sometimes use their powers to get wat they want, not really, why would they be mods in the frist place, the admins and mods from before coose them because they can be trusted right..! ^^ saying that can hurt their feeling aspecially those who are really nice..! ^.^

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Hmmm...I agree with Kuroimisa, groups are feeling a bit redundant. They were fun at first but they seem to have lost all point to what I think they were originally intended for.

I'll just voice a couple of my opinions/ideas here...

More moderators/New moderators (friendlier mods...), get some new blood active members of the community NOW, they can possibly liven up the joint a bit. How many mods are there right now? I'd honestly think things could be better with around 20 of you.

Contests encompassing all of Minitokyo, with real prizes to give away (not a big fan of the Mascot deal). Possibly some kind annual deal with larger prizes (artbooks or dvds) maybe semi annual contests with smaller prizes (piece of swag from the mascot deal if you will)

Lose Google (I know thats a big one), this place thrives upon submissions, without them it's slowly dwindles (which it's doing now.) With Googles policy of family friendly (and we are taking it way too far) images we are losing out on a lot of scans, a lot of good scans because no one feels like submitting anymore...or atleast thats what it looks like to me. I'm not sure what I can offer as an idea on how to lose google...offer pay accounts, buy credits whatever it be...we need something different (and I have noticed we are getting new advertisement links at the bottom.)

Maybe some new kind of direction for the groups...not sure what I have in mind exactly...but some kind of new purpose and/or responsiblity for them.

There are my ideas. Have at them.

metalhead

metalhead

chinese ink martial artist

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I think bcause many arts are deleted to yet when they are submitted,so no one has time to see the new submissions

The world is a pizza pie...Yeah!

  • Dec 10, 2006

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