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What once was good enough...

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I still don't see why Google is such a horrible advertisement service to use... like LordWe said, it has actually taken this website in a more positive direction. The only reason you want to get rid of Google is so that we can bring back near-hentai scans, correct? Is that really the best way to solve Minitokyo's problem right now, anyway?

No, not correct. I can get hentai scans if I wanted them at a dozen other places. They come a dime a dozen. I just remember when I could browse the scans section and see 5-10 scans I would like to have in my collection, now I rarely see one. Lack of high quality well drawn art in the scans section is what I'm talking about. I can literally go over to AP right now first page of scans section and see 5 scans I would like to have. None of them ecch. Why we no longer get such scans any longer...well I have my idea's.

Quote: I know for a fact that that will not bring back the artists. Actually, many of the legendary artists have just moved on with life... Cloudnine, GundamZZ, kenzotsuke, Jinzhou, Furikuu, Meg, and Sandy are just a few examples. So it's not like every single talented walling artist just fleed to Animepaper one day. :x

What about new artists? I understand people move on, life gets in the way, but thats when new people take come in to view. I hate to make this a constant comparison, but again...look at ap's gallery...I see a lot of really nice works that I just don't see here. I suppose maybe they have a lot of members that are just not members here, but so many people are members of both I would think a couple wallpapers would atleast trickle over.

Quote: We do provide direction, and, we also provide activities. There have actually been two contests from summer up until now. I would understand where you were coming from if we did absolutely no contests, but we do. If they aren't what you're interested in, then go make your own.

Refresh my memory I can only recall the Mascot contest.

Quote: ...Is it surprising?

Absolutely it is. It feels like I'm getting attacked for voicing my opinion.

I am suprised that no other Mod or Elite feels this way. I could say it sticks out like a sore thumb to me that this place is burning itself out.

starsaturn

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Quote by starsaturnYes, I think so. Some of the drawings that I spent a long time doing were deleted. I can't remember what Botchii said, but it was something like "insufficent time spent on this". Well, I did spend a lot of time aon it. I can't help it if I'm not good at drawing.

Well see this is why we have the sandbox. We don't want situations like this to happen. I mean we even have a mod that specifically goes through the sandbox and gives advice on wallpapers. Now this is not to say that the sandbox is only for wallpapers. You can create a thread with your doujinshi in it. We don't expect every one to be Piccaso. We understand that not every has the same talent as others. I myself suck at drawing. So we urge members greatly to submit their works to the sandbox prior to submission. This is just to ensure that your work won't get deleted and you won't get upset or deterred from submitting art.


I submitted the picture I'm refering to before the sandbox was made... sometime last July or June. The picture stayed up for a long time, but then suddenly out of the blue, it wsa deleted.

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Quote by starsaturnI believe that too. I've asked a question concerning which series some characters are from, and no one has replied to my new posts.

I'm not quite sure that's what fluke meant, but I could be wrong. I think he was referring more to the unanswered questions in the Bug Reports Forum or the Minitokyo Forum. Basically threads with questions which we mods would most likely have to give answers to or to pass on to Sheqel to get answers for.

Sorry about that ^_^'

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I think this thread has died too... :( What is going on?

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Quote by Ayamael I don't really care about the family friendly policy though, I did think some of the scans submitted here were a bit too explicit for say 13-year old kids to look at, so I'm not complaining about Google's demand other than the fact that the stuff we find on it are very rarely family friendly. And I hate some of the new adds: I'm still getting a lot of sex related adds. I'm sorry, but I really am not looking for a hot chick to spend the night with... I AM a girl. It may be true though that this rule is enforced a bit too much, but since I'm not too attracted by ecchi and fanservice, it doesn't really bother me. I do understand, however, why others could find it annoying.

I very much agree with this. I'm not an ecchi fan by any means, but It's easy enough to tell from most thumbnails if the image will be bad, so as long as it's not nudity I don't care so much; I just learn what to avoid. And I'm personally far more offended by the ridiculous sex ads that we're getting: maybe it's just me, but if those are from Google they can take their hypocrisy and- well, you know.

Quote by starrliteangel I forgot to address the whole nude/ecchi scan dilemma in my earlier post, but I agree with LordWe. It might seem silly to the guys to delete nude girl scans, but its very very insulting to some girls. Guys see us as objects rather than people..and I might sound like im getting overly emotional, but its true! Walling isnt about making wallpapers out of girls with almost no clothing on.....


You go girl! Some how I don't think a lot of the guys here would be insulted over a bunch of naked men being removed...Also, it's easy enough to find ecchi sites. You don't even have to look for them to find a million, especially on...*drumroll* You guessed it! Google!

Credits. I was totally against them in the beginning, I admit. But I found posting in forums rakes in far more credits than you could imagine if you actually take the time to participate. I can see where it would be hard to get started as a new member, but if you try hard enough to can get places here at MT3, and its seems that maybe if more people would try harder despite the restrictions we could improve the quality of submissions as well. I know we all have to start somwhere (I'm still working on improving myself as a waller, too), but rather than getting upset about how hard it is, you learn to dust it off and try harder next time.

Scans... Other than keeping nudity out I don't really have much to say. I already gave my two cents about how to deal with ecchi issues up top. I don't submit scans normally so I don't know how hard it is for those of you that do, but in a bit of defense of the galleries I see fanart from other sites submitted as scans alot. One example is in the Sailor Moon gallery: Sailor Moon They actually gave the link to the site that they got it from, but it's a site of the person's fanart. I've seen this in a couple of instances, and I thought it was against the rules to submit other people's fanart. >_<

Quote by DeviletAnd there wasn't many, but now you see submissions with all these ugly banners flashing at you.I think if you guys want to do that, please don't put them up or make them smaller ...


While I disagree that they are ugly (thats my opinion though) They defiantely need to be smaller. Or maybe we could use pretty avatars to link to our groups. I like my groups and I like to let other people know about them, but the banners take up way too much space when you start to display all of them...

Quote by flukeGotta say I'm feeling a lot of negative emotion towards me...


I can see some people are getting kinda restless, too. But hey, you're stating your concern in a calm rational manner, unlike some. So kudos to you! ^_~

One last thing: for people who's art gets deleted after what seems like a long time, the mods don't always catch everything the first it's submitted. I had a wall (which looking back, it really did need more work) that stayed on MT for almost four months before it got the boot.

And this is the longest post I've ever made o_0 I guess passion and frustration does that.

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Quote by LongHairedFreakI want the old MT back before all the credits, when you had to particapate to a basic level and ecchi was allowrd.
Look at some of the old high posters like nocturn. When was the last time we seen a submission from him and the whole sensering thing just doesn't make sense I've seen things slip and things deleted that were fine.


Bring back the good Ecchi XD

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Scans... Other than keeping nudity out I don't really have much to say. I already gave my two cents about how to deal with ecchi issues up top. I don't submit scans normally so I don't know how hard it is for those of you that do, but in a bit of defense of the galleries I see fanart from other sites submitted as scans alot. One example is in the Sailor Moon gallery: Sailor Moon They actually gave the link to the site that they got it from, but it's a site of the person's fanart. I've seen this in a couple of instances, and I thought it was against the rules to submit other people's fanart.

By the way that is my submission...and I cannot find it anywhere in MT policy that you cannot submit fanart...as long as you don't say its yours, and it was placed under scans with the source...defunct as it may be, it is for walling anyways...and believe it or not most fan art does not fall within one million pixels...

Here is the policy on Scans from MT Policy

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* Submissions must have a minimum of one million (1,000,000) pixels, may not be grayscale images, and must have at least sixteen bits per pixel.
* Submissions must be a manga, anime, or game-related image.
* Submissions must not contain excessive artifacts, folds, or noise, and may not be blurred, lacking in clarity, oversaturated or undersaturated, too dark or too light, or be a screenshot.
* All scans must meet a certain standard of quality, to be unconditionally determined by the moderators. As such, scans that cannot be used as stock images for wallpapers and do not feature a subject that has at least half of its area visible are not permitted for submission.
* All scans must have proper credit given to their sources. The statement "not my scan" or any of its variants may only be used if the member does not have and cannot in any way obtain full credit for the scan. If members obtained the scan from a third party image site, members must provide the original url to the image in the gallery description.


If I am wrong about this...go ahead and delete my submissioin... OX

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There's no need to be redundant about fanart submission. Fanart is not a scan. Therefore it falls under the general "no ripping" rule.

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Yea I believe fluke's biggest point is to lose google. I mean, minitokyo is based around anime discussion and wallpapers (heck, when I open the homepage the top of the window is riddled with messages about scans and fanart and wallpapers...). So, despite opening one of the largest search engines on the web, there are others that people will use. The "family approprate" thing that google has going on is fine, but fundamentally, is that easily compatible with a website such as MT? I'm not saying it is not possible, just that google is definetely lowering standards and potential that MT has. I suppose in my view, it comes down to: gaining members through a single engine (google), or gaining members through quality work and a good website that best represents its entire community.

I remember being here way back before MT3 and the credit system was around. I loved this place, it seriously rocked and I tried hard to be active in the forums. Eventually I got up enough nerve to submit on of my own works in the gallery and with the good feedback I received I became more addicted to this place. Then something changed and I am too scared to submit anything and I have to force myself to post in the forums. Bottom line, Minitokyo just isn't the fun place it used to be.

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Quote by RirisuchanI remember being here way back before MT3 and the credit system was around. I loved this place, it seriously rocked and I tried hard to be active in the forums. Eventually I got up enough nerve to submit on of my own works in the gallery and with the good feedback I received I became more addicted to this place. Then something changed and I am too scared to submit anything and I have to force myself to post in the forums. Bottom line, Minitokyo just isn't the fun place it used to be.

i agree.......MT isn't itself lately, i remember when i joined MT, it wuz becuz of the wallies and the scans, but lately i haven't seen as much wallies and scans of the past months or so....

starsaturn

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Quote by RirisuchanI remember being here way back before MT3 and the credit system was around. I loved this place, it seriously rocked and I tried hard to be active in the forums. Eventually I got up enough nerve to submit on of my own works in the gallery and with the good feedback I received I became more addicted to this place. Then something changed and I am too scared to submit anything and I have to force myself to post in the forums. Bottom line, Minitokyo just isn't the fun place it used to be.


I remember those times too. I was so so proud of myself when I got up to level 10, and as soon as I did, the credit system came in :( MT used to be so much fun, and it just isn't anymore. I'm scared to submit as well, but luckily, my recent scans got accepted, which they should have, as I scanned them myself.
I think that maybe the credit system has ruined MT.

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I don't get why everyone moan so much about credits system? it's not so hard to get credits? what my complain is that MT is slow, I would probobly spend credits I've earned for downloading but I'm lucky if scan/wallaper load in 60%. why is that, and pages, forums and so on load slow as hell.

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BTW what is it all about google? couse I don't understand

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Yes... Yes I do agree with everything you guys said... MT is becoming more strict with gallery items. I, for one, submitted an artwork, a doujin. It was posted like, a year ago; then suddenly it gets deleted. "Why?" I asked myself. It contained no nudity whatsoever, no offenses to anybody, not even the slightest reason to why it got deleted. I read the message botchii sent to me. It says:
gel-chan,

The artwork/doujinshi you have submitted entitled Ron & Hermione was removed from Minitokyo because it was deemed not to be a clearly planned art piece. Please only submit work that you have finished to a certain degree and show effort and planning. In-progress works are not allowed.

The artwork/doujinshi you have submitted may have also appeared to have been traced and not hand-drawn. Please only submit items that you have drawn by yourself and not by copying another's work.

Also bear in mind that uploading pictures taken with a camera results in poor uploads- please scan your doujinshi.


Sincerely,
Minitokyo Staff


What? That wasnt a an unfinished artwork! And may I quote? Not a clearly planned art piece? Excuse me! I spent hours working on it! And I didnt trace it! I dont trace! I think thats a "cheating" way in drawing! I didnt also upload it by a camera! So what the heck is wrong with my drawing?!

And yes I do agree with the inactiveness of members... Like me. I rarely go online these days.
MT has changed... It went from good to bad... In a bossy, perfectionist way.

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MT has changed... It went from good to bad... In a bossy, perfectionist way.


it seems too that Minitokyo is not for everyone. It sounds like it's for elite artists only, not for those budding artists. you may conclude this as the aristocratic place to be.

as far as i observe, DeviantART accepts all drawings, as long as you don't submit rip artworks.

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MT has changed... It went from good to bad... In a bossy, perfectionist way.

Yes, I also think so.
I'm also a member at AP and I must say that they are stricter about the scan and walls which you submit. But MT Has become stricter then AP at the last time!

First, as I started here with submitting scans and walls (didn't know about AP at this time) it was fun. I submitted a lot which was not done by me and never had any problems with it.

Now, I'm starting to submit my own scans and scanned my hole Artbook Collection.
Some of my works got deleted because of that "mature content" thing. Well, if you don't want them you don't get that scans. I don't see what's so bad about a scan which there is not a single bit naked breast or genitales to see. Just the fact, that the scan is a bit offensive caused the deletion of it.

Other fact with my walls. I'm not the best artist, I never thought so.
But I don't get it why a wall which was my fav (more favs like the others) was deleted after one year. OK, I thought "Shit happens". Same with some of my own work. Submitted a vector, get many favs for it, user told me "great work" and after one month it got deleted. Same standard message like anyone get.

And that's the fact which angers me the most. I know that's a lot work to do to write every single message to the user by yourself but that "automated messages" didn't help the user to get what's wrong with the work.

And yes, MT has become more stricter. Not only scans but most wallpapers.
I always thought that AP is the strictest community with walls. But they accepted all of my work. MT didn't do so.

I also think that it's very harsh to write a member he/she hadn't spend enough time on his/her work. You know, everyone spend a lot of work in their art!

One fact makes me mad the most:
Why is MT so slow? I need over 10 minutes to upload my scans!
So I need the hole evening to submit some of my scans and if I take the time to do so I can only upload 8.

I think MT has a lot problems to solve but it's also a fact that you didn't can do it so that everyone is satisfied with the result.

If it's about speed these past couple of weeks, I recall that MT is hosted on a Singaporean server.

I believe it is due to the earthquake that hit Taiwan just recently and the damage to both the submarine cables and its backup line from what I read (I'm not savvy about these kinda stuffs, so I'm just using my meagre understanding of what I read on the news). Because of that, all traffic in and out of the area (from Japan all the way down to Southeast Asia from what I understand) is now moving at snail's pace. Repairs are still being made and it's slightly better compared to the day the earthquake happened (totally zero internet movement).

Full recovery is estimated to be mid-February the latest I think.

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Quote by OriyaI don't get why everyone moan so much about credits system? it's not so hard to get credits? what my complain is that MT is slow, I would probobly spend credits I've earned for downloading but I'm lucky if scan/wallaper load in 60%. why is that, and pages, forums and so on load slow as hell.

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BTW what is it all about google? couse I don't understand

Well Kiopi already revealed why MT is so slow so I won't repeat it again. It's out of our hands and the hands of our admins. We just hope that it will be resolved as soon as possible and ask that all members have patience.

Yes the issue with Google. Back when Google was one of the major sponsors of MT they had a little fit about our mature content in the galleries. We were supposed to be a family friendly site and yet had scantly clad girls and the like in our gallery. As such they gave us the ultimatum drop the mature content or we drop you. Without sponsorship there would be no MT. So we axed the mature content.


Quote by gel-chanYes... Yes I do agree with everything you guys said... MT is becoming more strict with gallery items. I, for one, submitted an artwork, a doujin. It was posted like, a year ago; then suddenly it gets deleted. "Why?" I asked myself. It contained no nudity whatsoever, no offenses to anybody, not even the slightest reason to why it got deleted. I read the message botchii sent to me. It says:
gel-chan,

The artwork/doujinshi you have submitted entitled Ron & Hermione was removed from Minitokyo because it was deemed not to be a clearly planned art piece. Please only submit work that you have finished to a certain degree and show effort and planning. In-progress works are not allowed.

The artwork/doujinshi you have submitted may have also appeared to have been traced and not hand-drawn. Please only submit items that you have drawn by yourself and not by copying another's work.

Also bear in mind that uploading pictures taken with a camera results in poor uploads- please scan your doujinshi.


Sincerely,
Minitokyo Staff


What? That wasnt a an unfinished artwork! And may I quote? Not a clearly planned art piece? Excuse me! I spent hours working on it! And I didnt trace it! I dont trace! I think thats a "cheating" way in drawing! I didnt also upload it by a camera! So what the heck is wrong with my drawing?!

And yes I do agree with the inactiveness of members... Like me. I rarely go online these days.
MT has changed... It went from good to bad... In a bossy, perfectionist way.

Ah yes that. Well we didn't mean any sort of disrespect to any artist. We fully understand that not every one is artistic. We also know that it takes alot of time to become good. However recently we axed both the Kill Bill and Harry Potter sections in the gallery. They simply do not fit in with an anime site. Many members were using these galleries as a loophole to upload wallpapers with the actors from the movies. We don't accept these and only accept anime inspired artwork from each. We meant for Sheqel to make a service announcement stating this but since the holidays to the best of my knowledge he has been MIA and most likely very busy with real world situations.

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Quote by gel-chanYes... Yes I do agree with everything you guys said... MT is becoming more strict with gallery items. I, for one, submitted an artwork, a doujin. It was posted like, a year ago; then suddenly it gets deleted. "Why?" I asked myself. It contained no nudity whatsoever, no offenses to anybody, not even the slightest reason to why it got deleted. I read the message botchii sent to me. It says:
gel-chan,

The artwork/doujinshi you have submitted entitled Ron & Hermione was removed from Minitokyo because it was deemed not to be a clearly planned art piece. Please only submit work that you have finished to a certain degree and show effort and planning. In-progress works are not allowed.

The artwork/doujinshi you have submitted may have also appeared to have been traced and not hand-drawn. Please only submit items that you have drawn by yourself and not by copying another's work.

Also bear in mind that uploading pictures taken with a camera results in poor uploads- please scan your doujinshi.


Sincerely,
Minitokyo Staff


What? That wasnt a an unfinished artwork! And may I quote? Not a clearly planned art piece? Excuse me! I spent hours working on it! And I didnt trace it! I dont trace! I think thats a "cheating" way in drawing! I didnt also upload it by a camera! So what the heck is wrong with my drawing?!

And yes I do agree with the inactiveness of members... Like me. I rarely go online these days.
MT has changed... It went from good to bad... In a bossy, perfectionist way.

Quote by SpystreakAh yes that. Well we didn't mean any sort of disrespect to any artist. We fully understand that not every one is artistic. We also know that it takes alot of time to become good. However recently we axed both the Kill Bill and Harry Potter sections in the gallery. They simply do not fit in with an anime site. Many members were using these galleries as a loophole to upload wallpapers with the actors from the movies. We don't accept these and only accept anime inspired artwork from each. We meant for Sheqel to make a service announcement stating this but since the holidays to the best of my knowledge he has been MIA and most likely very busy with real world situations.

Then you should have said the real reason for the deletion of my work. Now this is another problem.... The automated messages are just confusing members. Yes, the Harry Potter thing I understand. But please, do notify everyone else earlier! Its kinda insulting, not just for me but for everyone as well. x_x

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Another story begins...

I've been a member of the site for two years now. I've never been a great artist so I've only submitted a few walls and scans, but I've posted on the forums.

From my perspective, I really don't think the site's been as good since the credit system was introduced. Not just because of it, but the other changes that happened at that time, making submissions stricter. I don't know if it's just because I'm less interested in anime wallpapers that when I was 16, but I also find fewer wallpapers that I want to download.

I think the site did use to be considerably more cheerful, and fun to be on. It used to be that I had loads of people on my friend list, lots of them submitting actively. Now only one of them still uses the site, and I generally don't bother to do more than grab a wallpaper off of the front page before moving on.

See my web page! Or my blog.

fluke

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Quote by Story-WeaverI've been a member of the site for two years now. I've never been a great artist so I've only submitted a few walls and scans, but I've posted on the forums.

From my perspective, I really don't think the site's been as good since the credit system was introduced. Not just because of it, but the other changes that happened at that time, making submissions stricter. I don't know if it's just because I'm less interested in anime wallpapers that when I was 16, but I also find fewer wallpapers that I want to download.

I think the site did use to be considerably more cheerful, and fun to be on. It used to be that I had loads of people on my friend list, lots of them submitting actively. Now only one of them still uses the site, and I generally don't bother to do more than grab a wallpaper off of the front page before moving on.

I don't think you could have said it any simpler and still got it right on the head xD

I noticed the links to your groups in your sig...you need to change them, they are the old links before MTv3.

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Then you should have said the real reason for the deletion of my work. Now this is another problem.... The automated messages are just confusing members. Yes, the Harry Potter thing I understand. But please, do notify everyone else earlier! Its kinda insulting, not just for me but for everyone as well. x_x

actually they had this MT news... quite a long time ago...
Purge of non-anime-style gallery items

So it isnt a surprise it got deleted...
I believe the bot-chii is sent upon deletion... it does give prompt reply...
And i certainly hope you do not expect all the moderators to give everyone a reason for the deletion... that would give all of them a headache... they do have a llife to live...

Anyway that is why the deletion thread was created... for any members that is not sastisfied with the deletion ;)

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i just read every post thus far.

my thoughts:
i joined Mt a few years back amidst a time of great activity. there were a lot of very talented wallers and just as important wallers who worked hard and improved their skills etc. i was unable to make an avatar let alone a wallpaper or scan etc. but after meeting a few people i not only got interested in digital art but just as importantly into the artwork of artists both Asian and not, and of this time and centuries past.

MT3- was definetly a major turning point for a lot of people. the layout changed, controls and coding were cumbersome, watch-list, credits introduced, Google etc. forum activity and the level of guest-book activity declined as did the amount of people on my watch-list. the watch-list function should have been kept as friend-list etc.

later followed Google "AdSense" program. i despise crossing art with commerce but i understand the cost of running such a site. now it is true that Mt a so called "family friendly" site did in fact sport ads for dating and sex advertising. another bone i have to pick is with the ads that appears on the members group pages. that should absolutely be removed.

i have been reading a lot of "fiction" about scans especially. according to AP they have a total of 53,984 scans and 8,659 wallpapers. Mt has 88,769 gallery items. to all the whiners whom complain about the so-called lack of scans- get out a calculator or call "Mom" and let her get a calculator and you should i hope notice that MT has not only more scans but artists that haven't appeared on AP or dare i say "ripped". MT and her agents were correct in purging duplicate scans etc. as well as some of the hentia. its not my preferred fare but it was getting a little out of control. to all the hentai lovers: try 4chan and hongfire. i personally was affected by the great "Western Purge" and had a great many scans deleted due to content etc. i would have liked to seen a category for non-Asian artists whom are of tremendous artistic merit such as Zdzislaw Beksinski etc. to remain.

walls: i actually think the Elite Gallery and The Sandbox was a good idea. this allows for an artist an incentive to try to improve and develop a fundamentally sound wall. i have seen with my own eyes the level of constructive feedback from such Moderators as kuroimisa in the Sandbox. i think awarding "Highlights" has been more evenly awarded as well. years back, heavily faved trend-whore walls got way too much attention. imo

i was dissapointed by the attack on the doujinshi and abstract section. a lot of talented artists i know and admire had their works deleted because they didn't have enough pixels etc. just how many pixels does a b&w drawing have?...

my take on AP:
AP does allows b&w scans, has a better looking interface except for user-pages, but delete just as many walls, and grades art on the number of favs [i did my own sampling survey] it receives and has a tendency to only highlight the walls of the inner clique whom run the site.

if i was running the show:

--Google would go, or at the very least off of user-pages.

--allow and encourage intelligent and fun discussion in the Forum and try to avoid unnecessary heavy-handed Puritanical style moderating.

--credits would remain. increase the daily quota to 10. no credit charge for uploading walls and art. only scans get charged.

--delete non-active groups. new group cost a 1,000 credits. groups w/o ten members in a month 3,000 credits. delete all groups without 10 members and or no new posts in a month. creators of busy groups get additional credits.

--encourage a massive contest with decent prizes- another "battle-ground" or "war"
perhaps an art-book? appeal to member's egos. winner's wall on frontpage for a month.

--encourage original artwork. art quality supercedes the amount of pixels.

--encourage user or [group] created user-pages. everyone whom has a decorated user-page gets 1,000 credits.

--have a most improved waller section.

--more groups like Simple-ism which recognize hq walls of differing styles.

--keep the highlights page up to date. it's not.

--have a section where moderators and elite members to suggest one wall or work they admire. preferably a "not" well-known artist.

--create a small section allowing a few non-Asian artists of renown.

--reward members whom post intelligent, well thought suggestions.

--work on MT4. possible new interface?

candy-chan

Retired Moderator

candy-chan


Quote by FlukeAbsolutely it is. It feels like I'm getting attacked for voicing my opinion.


it is only natural that when starting a debate pointing out negative aspects and not brigning up any structured solution, one shall be replied strictly. Don't be surprised people feel like defending themselves if you attack them.


Onto the groups issue:

Quote by starrliteangelOne problem that Im noticing a lot these days is the explosive increase in the number of groups. I really think MT needs to start controlling the number of the groups, because people are just joining them and creating them left to right, and theres dead ones lying around. I really think its a total joke.
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I think the credit amount to make a group needs to be made MUCH MUCH higher. Bored members are just making groups to entertain themselves for the moment, and then abandoning them.
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Ive been trying to leave some groups as well, because it does look ugly with all those banners. Getting rid of extra walling groups (and CL, if you have to) or any kind of group that isnt really serving a purpose will help cut back on the banners in wallpaper descriptions, I think.


I think you brought up an interesting point seeing that you direclty come from the CW crew. All I can do is agree that there are too many useless and dead groups that should not exist. But for now moderators cannot delete groups, and that should probably (I hope) be an upgrade for MT4, if it ever comes.

fluke

fluke

What once was good enough...

Quote by candy-chan

it is only natural that when starting a debate pointing out negative aspects and not brigning up any structured solution, one shall be replied strictly. Don't be surprised people feel like defending themselves if you attack them.

The original point of the thread was to generate some idea's. I can not recall starting an attack on anyone in this thread to begin with, however I feel it turned into an attack upon myself as I said earlier.

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