Quote by DarkRoseofHellOh yes, god's words are written by humans...
how screwed up is that. Also, if the question wasn't mean for Saa-chan, why do you reply to questions that
weren't mean for you? Bible can be of history but it doesn't mean anything about god's intervention, I
wonder if you even read my example...
Of course humans wrote the bible!Its not like aliens would
have.And even I god wrote it himself,you would speculate anyway!And im talking about more than the history mentioned in
the bible.
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Quote by ProgramZEROThank
you, thank you, thank you. You've actually given me something to work with. Thank you!
Quote by kingray1001.People
were serious about retelling the facts of history,no thoughts and lies are included into manuscript at the time unless
the author says so in some type of way.In this case for the bible,it is true.
Yeah but it didn't
mean people couldn't lie, people couldn't be fooled, and it didn't mean that stories didn't change
as they were told across the generations.
Quote: 2.People who didnt believe in Jesus such as Josephus who was born in
37ad and the Jews of the time,mentioned seeing Christ and even some of his works!
Still doesn't
prove anything. Many people back then mentioned several things about dragons, witches and elves but just writing it down
doesn't prove anything.
Quote: 3.It is proven that the bible IS HISTORICALLY CORRECT.When this is
said,that is already half of the picture!
What parts and what evidence to back that part up.
Don't just say it, give examples.
Quote: 4.This evidence is presented by Scholars who are some of the most
educated men in the entire world about Christianity.
What evidence? You've yet to prove
anything.
Quote: 5.Even atheists who go through evidence and studying have found the
bible to be reliable and truthful.
Which ones, what evidence, and what parts?
Quote: The bible is far away from a fantasy novel or a book of lies.It is
the truth written so people may understand things.The world has truly gotten the best of us but you can still
change.
No, you're delusional.
But i just said that it was next to rare for
someone to lie about actual history back at that time!Secondly,they didnt tell people over generations,they kept the
documents and manuscripts and little by little copied some of it over years word for word,and if not so,then having the
same meaning.Its not like pass it down the line,ok?And people who dont care for important thing such as Jesus,was
Josephus,and yet he reported seeing him!Why would he waste his time telling a random lie,especially when every was into
making history?Read the book,The case for Christ,by Lee Strobel,if you really want evidence.Information was gathered
from every intelligent scholar in the world to summerize everything in the bible,and this work was done by an
atheist.And you want me to name hundreds of atheists that changed their mind about God?are you insane?Why say that the
bible does not contain factual information when its proven to be basically 50% correct already?Do some studying because
your the one who's delusional.The way you smack around evidence gets me fired up.
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Quote by EternalParadox
Quote:
Your saying that even if the entire bible was proven correct,that you would still doubt God and not accept it
unless some type of event happened when you were there to see it,proving it in a scientific
way?
It's not doubting God's existence but an insistence that God's existence cannot be scientifically proven.
Cannot be proven does not equal doubt because faith fills in the gap. You should not so quickly assume that anyone who
assesses Biblical records with a keen eye automatically doubts God's existence.
Quote: I understand that you would want other types of proofs but when its
this long ago,you can on really rely on historical documents and so on
If we follow the logic of this statement, then one possible conclusion we can draw is that religion and God is
irrelevant to modern life because everything concerning God occurred in the past and do not mirror modern conditions.
Faith in God should not rely on historical documents. In fact, it should rely on nothing but faith itself. If you need
to have the Bible shown to be accurate to believe in God, then your faith is shallow at best. Let me reiterate that God
lies in a realm beyond physical evidence, and no amount of historical documents can prove anything about him.
Quote: Science isnt very good with dealing with things in the
past,
Science is very good at dealing with many things in the past. Radiometric dating of fossils and rocks has been refined
to be able to date a rock from 3 billion years ago with a margin of error of less than 2 million years. That's a
0.0006% error. In comparison, there is still significant debate about the exact birth year of Christ, and that only
happened 2000 years ago.
Furthermore, if science is inaccurate with past events, then your claims that things recorded in the Bible are accurate
is left on shaky grounds. Anthropology, the very means by which we have gathered historical documents and found ancient
sites to support Biblical records, is itself a science. If science is not good at dealing with the past, then you cannot
claim that Biblical accounts have been shown to be accurate.
Quote: Bottom line is that even though the people with faith are safe and
even provided with extra evidence of the bible,the people who arent safe should at least want to "try" to be
safe.If you truly dont know whats going to happen after death,then why not be safe about it and believe in something
like God just to be on the safe side.
Safe from what? If a person does not believe in anything after death, there is no need for him to be "on the safe
side" of anything because there is nothing there to be safe from. People who believe in God want to ensure that
they have done good deeds so that their soul can ascend to heaven. People who do not believe in the afterlife do not
believe there is a heaven, a hell, or a purgatory. To them, death is the end. Why would they need to be
"safe?"
Let me finally clarify one thing, Kingray. You seem stubborn in your belief that I am questioning the existence of God.
I am not. My entire argument is directed solely at the impossibility of proving God's existence, not that God does
not exist. Granted it is a finer line between these two ideas than others, but there is very clearly a difference.
But you must understand,i dont assume all are against God who question the bible,but i can say that
before they are convinced that there is a god,I can say that they dont believe in him before hand.anyway the statement
you made about the bible only being about the past is wrong.The bible teaches Christians the way to act and the
existence of a God that is always present.The old testament may show the old side and even the birth of Jesus Christ,but
there are rules set by God for us,today to follow.Revelations even goes beyond present time and tells the future and how
war will break out all over the world.The bible is definitely not made for just the past.Did I ever say I relied on the
evidence presented on the bible's side?no.I rely just upon faith and remain so,with science agreeing with some
things also.When I said science isnt good with history,I meant in a way that of repeating and testing things of the
past,not finding the age of things.And I understand that an atheist believes that there is no hell,but if I were an
atheist,I would still want to be safe just in case its proven right or its true when I die.The people who say screw
safety are people who are not willing to accept the word of God under basically all conditions.All and all,I conclude
that there has to more after death instead of a black void.There is just so much weird things on this planet that go
against the claim of a black void called the end,strong proven facts to weak guesses.
