Quote by marfish14Kingray100:
God isnt tormenting anyone,get that through your head.All he did is make the universe and gave his creations free
will.When you see everyone doing drugs and killing and ect,why do you blame God?Wow!He sees people killing others!Just
because he sees it doesnt mean he caused it.He is just the witness of free willed humans doing their thing.We are not
dolls,unless you make yourself one by thinking you are.God doesnt plan death,the people who destroyed our World Trade
Center planned death.God cannot intervene from other people's mistakes because we have the control on this world,so
if you dont like it,then do something to help the world or yourself.
Are you sure he doesnt plan death? He created everyone in this world with the knowledge of what they are going to do in
their life time and what will happen to them from every other person he knows about. He created your will, and he can
make someone kill another because he knows what that person was going to do from the start. I'm sure that the u.s.
didnt plan death when they sent thoughs nuclear bombs over japan either. Even if people dont believe in him, isnt he
supposed to love all men? He has made your will and is the one who has planned out everything in the future, yet people
do not blame him for what he has done. Tsunami's, earthquakes. These are his way of making mass killings. For one
who sais god knows all, you dont seem to truly believe this.
yes im sure God doesnt plan death.Death
only occurs of other people planning murders and anything else in that category.as for the flood issue,God was very
active in the old days as everyone knows,but im pretty sure that he doesnt use his powers to harm anyone.Like i
said,dont forget the discourager,the devil.For everyone to go through hurricanes everyday probably would make us doubt
God and so the devil's plans are very smart compared to human characteristics.btw,the u.s knew that death would
occur with their Atomic bombs,thats one of the reasons they hesitated.
merged: 08-06-2007 ~ 03:35am
Quote by DarkRoseofHell
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First before you lash out in an immature manor,read my entire post.You mention God so much but you seem to forget
that there is someone else who's just as important in the situation,the devil.im not going against what im
saying,so stop spreading nonsense.God set up time,but he had absolutely no affect on anything,and didnt play around in
the future to get his way.Our choices arent interfered with,they're only known.Isnt that simple enough?Time is
completely still in our control,we can do anything in that time and nothing can stop us.And another thing,we DONT KNOW
whats next so what are you trying to prove?God created the universe,not Los Angeles,Dark Rose.This is too much of a
simple concept.please grasp it and understand what im saying.
Oh yes, god made the devil...
Aside from time being a human invention so we can measure it and keep things on a deadline and stuff. If time was to be
completely in our control, why can't we mess around with our past? Why can't we do all these things with
time?
You really don't understand the idea of omniscient/omnipotent and time...
You ask why we cant
mess around with our past?Dark Rose,thats because we arent the omnipotent and omniscient people.Did anyone or anything
ever say we could control time?the past is untouchable once it has passed.Time is in our control from the present on,but
we cant mess with the past or future(unless the never going to be invention,the time machine,is invented)and for the
last time,i am very familiar with omniscience and time,thank you.
By the way,on that babies dying at you ages subject, I found that it is in fact true that these babies actually do go to
heaven,since they arent able to decipher whats right and wrong(same thing probably with people who suffer
disabilities)so no need to worry.
merged: 08-06-2007 ~ 03:37am
Quote by marfish14God Knows
Everything. He would have known that materials he was making could be turned into bombs, he knows everything that you
are going to do and knew everything that was going to happen even before he created man. The devil was created by god
with god knowledge that he had created such a creature even before he was made. Freedom of will is meaningless if god
created you, your personality, and knew exactly what was going to happen. Time is not in our control. We cannot go
forward or back in time, though we are able to slow it down. This only happens when you move at extremely high speeds or
go near a incredibly strong gravitational force.
yes,but the question is,who made the bombs and for
what purpose is it used for today?And for the time issue,your being to literal,when i say we control time,i mean that we
control whatever we do in the present,creating the past behind us and creating a future for each other.
merged: 08-06-2007 ~ 03:41am
Quote by SulibresI came here
interested in the messages Christianity wished to spread.
All I found out was that Christian God is supposed to be loving and all powerful. Yet it knows the outcome of all its
actions and our actions. But for some reason does not really give a hoot that some of the creations it loves will not
believe in it and therefore must be damned for eternity...And to this God, love is showing obedience but not love for
your flesh and blood parents, preaching tolerance but yet attempting to wipe out all the other religions and...Being a
servant to everyone and no one.
This God is the most confusing God I have ever come across. Even Allah is a bit easier to
understand.
lol,thats why hes our God.Nobody is expected to know him inside and out.He is just
amazing to muse over and yet its so feasible to for us to stare Him in the eye after death.
merged: 08-06-2007 ~ 03:56am
Quote by DarkRoseofHellWhoa there, stop posting like a mad man...
Quote: God does know everything. But that does not take away the fact that
you have a freewill and a choice! You either had a choice to write on this forum today or not, you have a choice to eat
or not etc... if you don't eat today even if your mom just bought you Subway, and starve, are you going to blame
God? Just becasue he knows, doesn't mean you don't have a choice!
If god made "everything" time included and gave us "free will" that results in a few things.
1. If god made something free will, then one part of time is no longer in effect since there can't be a forseeable
future.
2. Since god is no longer of control of something, that means god is no longer omnipotent.
3. Since god gave us free will, he no longer is omniscient.
4. If we were to have a choice and have actual free will. If god was looking at you when you're buying... oh lets
say... ramen, (since I like ramen. :P) Let's say god knows you're going to pick miso ramen. If you don't
pick it, 1. That means you do have free will. 2. That makes god not omniscient. but... since god knows "all"
that means you will and practically must pick it. You may seem to have the choice, but it's still interfered with
god's making of time and so called knowledge.
Quote: It is a verse I recently read over, it is certainly wonderful how
God provides christians the insight into His marvellous word; the bible, and provides spritual feedings for us
christians. May others who know not the Lord Jesus Christ, find out how much they are missing out from the wonderful
wisdom of God's word!
I really don't think I'm missing a thing...
Quote: If people just start saying, "God should be this or that, or
do this or that... etc" this just means that people are making up their own 'god' according to their
philosophies. If God is GOD, then his philosophies (actually everything) are going to be DIFFERENT! (from ours)
Isaiah 55:8 - For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Hey, my thoughts are my thoughts, that's true... but it doesn't mean someone else can't have the exact
same thought. Our thoughts are infinite, we can think whatever and however we want. We can think up of god's way
and stuff... though we can't match it because we're not "omnipotent or omniscient"
Quote: Sunday became the 'holy day' because is was related to
Easter. Christ died on 'Good Friday' then rose from the dead three days later... which is 'Easter
Sunday' This is basically why Sunday was considered holy and people then interpreted it as the sabbath because the
Isaraelites Sabbath was holy. But in reality the Sabbath was only for the Isaraelites and not us.
Exodus was written by Moses, so wayyyy before Christ came. You have to understand that before Christ came as the
sacrifice for the whole world and to intercede for our sins, there was no one there to intercede for our wrong doings
(sin). The Old Testament guys had to offer burnt (animal) sacrifices to God. God is Holy, he cannot bear sin, that is
why he sent Christ as the sacrifice for all of us. Ephesians 5:2 - "... as Christ also hath loved us, and hath
given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God ... "
Does it say that it was to the Isrealites? I mean come on... how would you know?
Also, I have this totally random question, if god had a son, does that mean he's married?
Quote: Isaiah 14:12-15
12. How are thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst
weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will
sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of hte north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit
Here the bible says that Lucifer was "fallen from heaven" that means that he once was a being from up high,
and angel. But he desired in his heart to become greater than God, and thus he was cast down to hell and his name became
also known as Satan or the devil
Yes, we know that... I think the majority of people here knows that... it still doesn't do anything on how god
created the devil...
Quote: God has made a way for all of us to escape death!
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever beleiveth in him shall not
perish but have everlasting life.
Ephesians 2:8- For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
No god didn't, and never will. Cause death is something an organic being will always have. Like it says,
"whoever believes in god shall not perish..." so... if I rip off your head (I think I'm getting
sadistic...) you would be dead...
That last quote, why would you believe something that you have not seen...
Whoa whoa whoa.Dark Rose
you have it all wrong.First,there is a forseeable future to God.Second,just because god made free willed being doesnt
mean he lost his powers,its his choice to make us,and yet we are here arguing over things that should be known world
wide,such as his even existence.and God knows all your dicisions your going to make and we cannot escape because he is
all knowing,meaning whatever we do,he knows!i dont know if you know this but God knows things before we do them and even
what we will think of next.Having God's thoughts means for us to be perfect in the mind(impossible).And the bible
refers to everyone reading it(the reader must understand though that some things were sad to a certain person or
persons)so God doesnt just mean israelites.God isnt married,his son,Jesus is a part of the holy trinity,its like almost
saying that Jesus is the body of God.Jesus was perfect,never sinning,and was considered divine instead of even human,but
God came down in flesh to start the Christian lives of many.and when saying escaping death,darkrose,he means after this
so called earthly death takes place,we have everlasting life instead of going for the second death of hell.So yes,Jesus
has sacrificed himself for people like you and me and made a way to heaven.you should be happy from hearing this.About
your last quote,nobody has ever seen the Big bang and yet people believe in such a thing.so answer your own
question.
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Quote by EspadaExodus 20:5 + Exodus 20:6
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the
iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the
thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Nice guy, this God. Really.
He is just stating that he despises it when other people idolize other
fake Gods.If you were God(thinking that you are a logical person to this statement),Im sure that you wouldnt want to see
the people you created and loved idolizing some random statue.You would want them to at least acknowledge you.Yes,God is
nice.He even sent Jesus to die for OUR SINS so that we have a way into heaven,the place that everyone loves to
question.Honestly,if there was a person really interested in knowing about the insides of heaven,he would just have to
truly believe in Christ the Lord,and when you die,bang!your answers are solved, and on top of that, everlasting life
with God and his angels.