Deletion of The Jun Watarase wallpaper

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Devildude

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*oops, I misspelled thread title of his name, was thinking of something else*


My sincere apologies for any confusion caused.

This wallpaper:
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8097/jun2bw6.th.jpg

was deleted because Saikusa thought it was a pre teen girl with nipples showing.

Now I am here long enough to know that you can't show explicit parts of a girl, but I don't think there is a part that says you can't show parts of a guy.

Of course, to accompany the deletion, I was granted a warning.

I am to appeal for my case, I have no intent to break any rules, and this was a misunderstanding of sorts, I believe.

Jun Watarase is a guy, from the anime of "Happiness!"

Relevant details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness%21#Characters

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Jun Watarase (?, Watarase Jun)?, (Seiy? - F?ri Samoto (PC), Michiru Yuimoto (PS2 & anime))
Jun is another of Y?ma's close friends. Despite his feminine appearance, he is in fact an androgynous okama boy who crossdresses like a girl. He himself says he does this because the female school uniform suits him better and does make him popular among male students


anyhow, I appeal for this wall and the warning.

However, if it was the nipples that are wrong in general, I removed it in this edition:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4549/jun4zt6.th.jpg

Yet again, I hope this was viewed as a mistake on both our parts, I apologize and please, do reconsider.

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Saikusa

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First off, thanks for the lecture on the nature of Loli in my GuestBook. That was pointless. I am fully aware of what the term Loli means, and am old enough to remember a time before Vladimir Nabokov's novel had been adapted to mean sexually attractive under-aged children in anime.

Right, the gender of the character is not obvious. As another moderator said to me earlier today 'the labia can be seen through "his" panties'. So despite what you're saying the character still looks like an under-age girl who has exposed herself.

On a previous instance scans of Chiho from Saikano removed because she was naked. It doesn't matter that the character is over 18 or that the artwork itself was beautifully painted, but that she also looks like a naked pre-teen.

So you see, nipples or not, it is simply unacceptable. It is the appearance of the character that matters. And here you have a character who appears to be a young naked female.

Quote by Devildudethis site has degraded into a pile of hot steamy shit covered in flies.
Thanks to the censoring, and of course, our daily dose of Naruto fags and pokemon fags.
Enjoy your namek you faggorts lol.
MT - sold to ads, then sold to fags, finished with a blow by Google's censors.

You wrote this 3 days before you posted the wallpaper. Presumably you also feel this way about AnimePaper as there is no sign of this wallpaper over there, either.

Somehow I'm not inclined to feel sympathetic about this purposefully sexually designed piece of art, nor for your attitude to push the rules to the limits. Therefore the wallpaper stays deleted and your Official Warning stands & now includes use of foul & derogatory language.

Devildude

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actually, eavesdropping on my group comments on issues that are actually related to this site seems innapropriate as your reference, but lets leave it at that.

and I am sure you know I am right.

In any case, I am discussing it with an admin in animepaper's case, we are willing to compromise and go through a proper dialogue on the wallpaper, it was generally agreed that as long as I removed the nipple, it would be okay.

However, in MT's case, it seemed you stand by a "no dialogue, my rule is communist and no problem about it" so whatever.

It is obviously, you seem to ignore on the fact that it is regardless, a guy, and if anything, you wish me to further censor the piece, then say so, and I would gladly do so.


For the appearance of the character, I really don't think it is so ecchi or something bad compared with a lot of other things. I don't think this is the first open shirt girl/guy you see here.

Nonetheless, so be it.
(now if you stand in my shoes, you would feel my comment in the group comment greatly justified.)

merged: 12-29-2007 ~ 10:13am
"push the rules to the limit"

right.... next please. You there, kind sir, please step in behind of the yellow line.

"foul and derogatory language"

Indeed, many a sin according to the bible, not in real life I hope. Tough one. I need more beer for this to be digested, such words as Namek and poke-fags are norm nowadays, looks like I am too far into the future then. So be it.

Thanks for your time.

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Saikusa

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Actually 'fag' is only a normal word when in reference to a cigarette, but 'fags' and 'faggots' are not normal words, and are derogatory ways of referring to homosexuals just as using 'nigger' is an insult to refer to someone who is black. It is highly offensive.

And I am not stalking or 'eveasdropping' on your group comments. That was Reported by a member who also found the tone of your comment offensive. As a moderator it is therefore my responsibility to hold you to account for your behaviour that has insulted others.

You can accuse me of being a communist ruler, but that still does not help your case. If I didn't care about what you had to say then I could have closed the thread and left it at that. I left it open, giving you the chance to have your say keeping dialouge open. Sadly your idea of dialogue is to cast insults.

You even acknowledge that the staff over at AP are still dubious about it & that you are having to discuss the matter even after the nipples have been edited out.

Yet you have completely over-looked the fact that it still looks like a sexually posed under-age girl. You know that it isn't a girl. I know that it isn't a girl. Gender aside, it still looks like artwork that encourages child pornography. And it simply is not welcome here.

You can pick as many faults with common sense as you like, and try to persuade me into doubting myself by using comments like "and I am sure you know I am right". However, the fact of the matter is that you know that I am right. You can argue this for as long as you like but it doesn't change the fact that two wallpaper sites have found this offensive enough to remove it. Your attitude of 'I'll scream until I get my way' does not influence me or change my mind in any way.

You can appeal to the other moderators. I don't rule this site, I just enforce the rules. If you find someone sympathetic enough to look past the fact that the character looks like a naked under-age child then you can have it returned to the gallery. But until then naked & sexually posed children are not, never have been, and never will be welcome to MiniTokyo.

Devildude

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Ah, Saikusa, I have resolved the issue, and I am in fact now able to submit the re-edit in Animepaper.

However, regardless of whatever that has happened, this issue is now behind us.
My words are not always kind, I am outspoken and that is my nature, I shall not change because a few adolescent members reported my behavior in an act to be pseudomods. (I have been there, I regret to say that)

As for the piece to be submitted here, like I said, it is behind us, if it is so you are just doing your job. I won't ask for symphathy on a site that has none of it, and therefore, this can be closed, you are I should not be enemies, this is just another one of those things.

Again, I will stand by my comment on the you know I am right part, I didn not use it to make you doubt yourself and your judgment, I am simply stating that the website that has too large a userbase, too many people being too overzealous about too many things, and has caused the disease that poisons formerly great places like MT.

I will not overlook this under-age girl/guy issue next time, you are right on my screaming part, that I apologize, somethings do get under your skin sometimes.

Have a good day then.

(on another note, I hardly ever get a problem calling someone a fag, not in real life either, must be just me and the peer group then. I have yet to call anyone who is black the "N Word" at this point, as I too know the extent of its derogatory usage.)

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