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I will incorporate a few changes to the credit system to make it less confusing to new members, and reward credit immediately as opposed to gradually.
For example, posting a gallery comment, forum post, guest book reply, group comment will immediately net you 1 credit. A review reply will net your 3 credit. This gain should show as soon as you hit the post button.
Changes to scan/wallpaper submission, review submission and forum thread creation are to follow.
kayurachan says:
YOU STILL PUTTING CRAP IN UNIDENTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for these changes! Now we can anticipate less questions on "how to" and "how much" popping up about every little thing.
Still, may I suggest something? Although it's a bit unrelated... Quite frequently, when trying to full view a picture, the loading progress tends to stop before the picture completes, even though the credit cost is applied once the link is clicked. Thus, we often waste the few Free Download Quota slots we have, and sometimes quite a bit of credit as well.
A make-shift measure passed around the forums was to use a download manager or similar to try and save directly from the partially loaded picture, which wouldn't cost extra credit. However, there is a tendency for this to fail at times, even though it can be repeated indefinitely as long as the partially loaded picture's window isn't closed. In the end, though, it results in a lot of unnecessary traffic for the site.
Lately, this problem has bettered somewhat, compared to the last 2 weeks or so. However, some minor changes could be implemented to the site to solve it permanently, which would resolve the issue of extra traffic.
-add a "reload picture" button/link to the downloading page, such that the partially loaded picture resumes loading from where it left off. I came across this feature at Animepaper.net and it does seem to be a good solution for this case, or when: e.g. when net access is accidentally cut while downloading.
-have a time-limited "cache" feature for each account, where the pictures downloaded/full-viewed in the last 30 minutes or so may be re-accessed again by the same account for no extra cost. This is a counter-measure for cases in which the browser program or the PC decides to hang suddenly, or when the power supply faults for some reason. It'd be realistic to limit this to, say, the last 5 applicable pictures. This should be accessible through the Control Panel page for user-friendliness.
Not sure how easy or possible it is to add these features, but I think they'd be really helpful at solving a lot of
frustration, and improve site-friendliness overall. That said, again, thanks a lot for posting these credit notification
messages!
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It just came to mind that spamming useless forum posts could possibly generate a lot of credit, so could I ask for some
thoughts on counter-measures? Off-hand, I can only think of penalties for spamming posts in the same topic in a short
period of time, or capping the amount of credit that can be gained through forum posts in a certain time
duration...
Still, it shouldn't become an issue if everyone posts responsibly! :)
I hope you put Spam lounge as an exception to that rule ;)
And, will deleting your post or getting your post deleted cost you credit? I reckon it should, because if it only goes one way (that you get credit for posts, but not lose them for deleting it), then it becomes too easy to abuse the system :(
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It just came to mind that spamming useless forum posts could possibly generate a lot of credit, so could I ask for some thoughts on counter-measures? Off-hand, I can only think of penalties for spamming posts in the same topic in a short period of time, or capping the amount of credit that can be gained through forum posts in a certain time duration...Still, it shouldn't become an issue if everyone posts responsibly! :)
I definitely welcome the new measure, but I, too feel that there should be penalties for spamming. However, I feel that penalties should be imposed on every spam not just those in the same topic in a short peiod of time. And capping the amount of credit that can be gained in a certain time duration may not be viable, because I'm sure some people can only spend a short time online and would post as many reply as they could and yet not spam.
Quote by eunaI hope you put Spam lounge as an exception to that rule ;)
And, will deleting your post or getting your post deleted cost you credit? I reckon it should, because if it only goes one way (that you get credit for posts, but not lose them for deleting it), then it becomes too easy to abuse the system :(
I think Euna's idea is better, getting posts deleted should cost people credit.
Ahhh... Euna x)
I agree. I can already see members spamming the reviews :S
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and peace crumpled in hard ice.
Thank you for the feedback.
Deleting comments, either by the maker or a moderator, already resulted in the revocation of credits gained. This has not changed.
kayurachan says:
YOU STILL PUTTING CRAP IN UNIDENTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!
how do i get back all the credits if i used up?
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you earn them again from the beginning. let's say you have 5 credits, you use them all, gain them back for posting, replying guestbook and staying active! ^_^ hope that helped! llol...
Lol, this just encourages spamming.... >__< Maybe take it away from guestbooks, so people (and groups) don't get spammed (I see a lot of ways to abuse this...)
merged: 10-23-2008 ~ 05:18pm
was this always in place before, and just the members weren't informed about it, or something new?
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I remember there being a credit gain based on how many letters there were in a post. (The limit being somewhere around 70, I believe.) I think the reason for this credit system was to avoid having people make single-word posts, or even just short posts. I always thought that was a good system.
I'm not against this system totally, but would it be possible to reincorporate the whole "credit bonus for making a long post" again? That would definitely help alleviate the need to spam the heck out of everything just to gain credits. It would work especially well on the review replies, I believe.
I believe that letting people know how many credits they get for participating in particular ways here can encourage people to spam. Just like others have already said. In the chat lounge is the most likely place - at least for me- that I've seen spam. Some threads have encouraged it and some threads are just games themselves so two bored people can play for hours and gain credit - whether or not they actually care to gain it or not. I have more credits than I could ever want (6483.44)... but I still enjoy playing some of the games in that forum and contributing encouragement and critisism to the artists here.
I would want to encourage people (somehow) to contriblte to the site - if only in making comments that are appropriate, considerate, and helpful to the original poster of the thread or the person who contributed a work here. People want feedback, so they ask for it - even if its just a little encouragement (ie "good job, great work... this piece of doujinshi is wonderful because..."). I'm worried people will just spam the crap out of the place when they know how much credit they'll net and not really be thoughtful about their imput.
Guestbooks (groups and personal) and perhaps specific places like the chat lounge might be better off not netting people credits. Perhaps I'm alone on this, but I try to say hello to every new member in my groups. I think, especially for people who are new to MiniToyko, that it helps encourage them to come back and contribute and participate in the group in the future. So, I think if anyone else does this - of which I'm sure there are plenty - they recieve more credits than they need/want, especially when they manage a large group.
I liked it when I didn't know how many credits I got for doing certain things - I liked it when I was encouraged to
participate (and not spam). I've never counted, so I've never known the difference in any credit for doing anything
particular... so I just continue to do my own thing and enjoy being an active member here. ^_^'
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Um pardon me for asking this, i'm fairly new...
What do we use the credits for? Do they just continue to pile up or do we rewards or what?
merged: 10-23-2008 ~ 08:46pm
I mean, do we get to cash them in and stuff?
That's a good idea, Sheqel, Thank you for implementing that.
I agree that this could encourage spamming just for the sake of getting more credits to download scans or wallpapers. I haven't ventured into the Chat Lounge (or anywhere else in the forum for that matter) in about two years, but I think that it would be wise to not allow members to gain credit from posting in the Chat Lounge, and disableing it from guestbooks and groups would be wise too.
Maybe there is a way to create a character count required before you gain credit too, that way people don't spam the gallery with one word or two word comments like "Cool" or "Nice job" just to receive credit. If they want credit, they have to make some attempt at a thoughtful comment. I don't know if this is possible, but it could help control the spam issue. Just a thought.
Not really walling much anymore D: Feel free to browse my gallery, though!
Thank you for the siggy and avy, Kitten! ^_^
thanks for the changes .D
i think it is a great idea, especially because i was getting confused about it
kudos to you x] have a nice day
Quote by MapleRoseLol, this just encourages spamming.... >__<
That's true. The amount of gallery comments on my scans have already increased and they only write things like
"nice scan". I've got 25 comments from just one member in a few minutes...
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As a second thought - could you ammend the Community Policy to include credits and how they're obtained? Old and new members are supposed to read it anyways, so... perhaps it might be something to think about?
...also, just today I've seen spam in places where I usually don't. o_0
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m... i guess 1 credit is not enough and of course this will cause spamming
throughout the forums and guestbooks. Maybe you can increase it by 5 or 10
depends how long the comments it would be.. but hey! that's all my opinion since
i feel sorry for the newbies who want to leech and submit thier works which is
cost them a credits.
I hope that reporting spam will result in points for the reporter if it's a valid report and points taken away from the spammer if it's determined to be spam. Hasn't it always been that posting in the Chat Lounge didn't earn credits?
Ripping walls? You're headed to Banned-ville.
Spam attack! I thought we weren't going to be telling members explicitly what will earn them credits (and I think especially telling HOW MANY credits certain posts will earn them is just asking for trouble...)
Good deal, Sheqs.
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I actually in some respects liked the old system better, it really did keep the point values obfuscated and to me provided a "reward" seen later when I logged back in and the points were awarded. I think this entices people to post and then return back later to get the credits to use. I really do see a lot of spam occurring from this. Especially when people are low on credits and want to download more, I see them posting to just get enough credits to download and then leaving.
Just my 2 cents, though I am racking up credits like crazy (and like a squirrel storing them up for later consumption)
I think this is rather horrific than helpful, spamming will reach unsuspected levels XD unless some restriction is put on the posting, at least.
The Lone Monk..
why not bring back the free download thingy? i mean when the picture is enlarge for downloading it is not the same as the old free download image which is completely bigger and named in a better way which is like: Minitokyo_Female_Scans_10563546.jpg blahblah not like the current one like Minitokyo10824192.jpg <<< :(
make use of what you have as you might have regrets later on.. live your life to the fullest..
Quote by MapleRoseLol, this just encourages spamming.... >__< Maybe take it away from guestbooks, so people (and groups) don't get spammed (I see a lot of ways to abuse this...)
merged: 10-23-2008 ~ 05:18pm
was this always in place before, and just the members weren't informed about it, or something new?
I agree with MapleRose
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