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Let's Discuss the New Lockon!

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What do you think about Lockon?

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The new Lockon - Lyle Dylandy, most people I know can't seem to accept him. They think that he is like psuedo, I totally feel the same, we all prefer Neil!

Please don't read further if you have yet to watch episode 4 of season two. There are spoilers!

Firstly, Lyle appears to be a double agent - His loyalty seems to more for Kataron than Celestial Being. So is his main aim for joining Celestial Being to pass on information to Kataron?

Secondly, he apppears to have a inferiority complex about his brother. He gets tired of being mistaken for Neil. He doesn't want to be compared to Neil - as he stated himself after kissing Feldt. He also asked Haro about his accuracy in his aim, and falls short of his brother..

So what do you think, like him? Hate him? Neutral?


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Iam neutral at the moment so far I do not trust him and don't like he making moves on fedlt but I really in between on my feelings for now.

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Personally I like him, yeah he's not Neil but so what. I like the fact that both Neil and Lyle have different personalities despite being identical twins. If they were similar I would have found things dull and drab. It would have also made it absolutely pointless that Neil died in the first place.

Now as far as him being a double agent I don't see anything wrong with it. Kataron itself is fighting for it's own reasons against the Federation. Like any rogue group though they don't exactly have the top of the line suits/weapons/ships. I don't want to say that Lyle joined Celestial Being just to help Kataron, it is possible though. I don't blame him if he did. Would you not want to help out if placed in a similar situation. Since Celestial Being does have intel Kataron doesn't it's the only natural course of action to take.

I'm not sure it's an inferiority complex, but more along the lines of being tired of being compared to Neil. Lyle is the younger of the two so looking just like his older brother and having similar skills doesn't exactly help. He by no means is his brother so being constantly compared to him would get on your nerves too.

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At first, I didn't like Lyle, simply for the fact that he's trying to replace his brother. Like Tieria, I still don't accept him as Lockon (because Lockon = Neil for me, always. therefore, I dub him as Lockoff XD maybe not out of dislike now, but just so I can tell them apart XD)

But after ep 4, I'm starting to feel sorry for Lyle >__< He didn't really do what he did to Feldt out of malice... (but go Feldt for slapping him anyway!) And the younger brother, he probably lived his whole life having to compare himself to Neil, and people on CB probably would have a hard time seeing him for who he is, even subconciously. The scene of him tossing Haro makes him look like a lonely little boy who lost his family (even though Haro is Neil!Lockon's partner and best friend >__< ) But it's his fault for copying Neils hair! XD If you don't want to be compared to your brother, get a haircut, maybe Setsuna can help you XD

But what I don't get is if he doesn't want to be compared to his brother, why did he copy his brother's lines in ep 3? So he feels more in role or something? And why did he pretend that he can't shoot when he actually can? Something feels a bit suspicious about that, and it seems that Sumeragi noticed too.

As for being a double agent, I don't really mind that too much. I mean, Setsuna knows he's a member of Kataron, and he doesn't mind. And with Shirin being in Kataron as well, I can't really see Kataron doing anything too bad. But if it comes that Kataron and CB fight, I wonder whose side Lyle will take....

I do like the fact that he's different from Neil, but that doesn't mean I like him XD I mean, he didn't know that Neil died, and he didn't even seem that surprised or sad when Setsuna told him. Combine that with the fact that Lockon said he was fighting for Lyle's sake, makes Lyle seem like a bit of a jerk....

All I can say is that he'd better not do something stupid, or there will be hell to pay (*is waiting to see Setsuna or Tieria kick his butt if he does* )
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So right now, I feel more or less neutral about him, until we see more. We'll see.

And, Lyle is very good angst fodder for fanfic writers, that I know DX

But I do know that I love Haro even more now :D Haro = pure win :D

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Hmm...couldn't say i love him or hate him. There is something i dun really like about him though and its true that he can't totally replace Neil but he's the only one the others can count on. I would say let the story carry on to see whether Lyle can live up to the name Lockon Stratos =D

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He is kinda suspicious, acting on the backs of CB, helping and giving info to cataron.

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All I can say is that he'd better not do something stupid, or there will be hell to pay (*is waiting to see Setsuna or Tieria kick his butt if he does* )
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So right now, I feel more or less neutral about him, until we see more. We'll see.

And, Lyle is very good angst fodder for fanfic writers, that I know DX

But I do know that I love Haro even more now :D Haro = pure win :D

I love the comic, but I don't really get the last part, until I read the comments. And I love Haro as well, I've got two Haro merchandise. ^_^

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i love gundam 00, i think it is one of the best gundams i have seen in a while but the new Lockon (Lyle) just doesnt to it for me. I like the fact that he is different from Neil but i just liked Neil so much that i have a hard time accepting the new Lockon. Also the fact that he could be a double agent really doesnt sit well with me. I mean Celestial Being had alot of those, Ribbons, Alejandro, and it seems Wang Liu Mei, they dont really need another. I just wish they had let the old Lockon live cuz what was the point of him dying so they could bring in his twin brother. I will wait to see though cuz knowing the 00 staff they wont let me down. So i will wait and see what happens.

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For now I'm neutral, but he looks very suspicious.

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He makes a good addition to the cast now that Tieria has taken Neil's role as a team builder. It is already obvious that he is on Kataron's side and if the choice comes between Celestial Being and Kataron, he'll probably ditch CB.

In short, he's become the wildcard that the others once were, and ironically, the others have become the stable ones. Except for Saji, he is probably going to be the source of internal conflicts among the heroes, while A-Laws are the external.

Still, I want old Lockon back! ;_; (mainly for Tieria as he chases Dynames in the OP and hangs around Neil's grave in the ED) But that wont happen.

So while I understand Lyle's inclusion from a story-telling point of view, I still prefer Neil over him. (Okay now I want all of CB to die only to have Neil's voice say "Hey guys, I hope you changed the world while you could" or something like that as they reunite in death.)

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Quote by CaithyraSo while I understand Lyle's inclusion from a story-telling point of view, I still prefer Neil over him. (Okay now I want all of CB to die only to have Neil's voice say "Hey guys, I hope you changed the world while you could" or something like that as they reunite in death.)

I sure hope that the rest of the pilots wouldn't die - but there seems to be some hint of it at the ending, and then Ian Vashti mentioned something about them being criminals and that they will gladly receive their punishment. '''Cries

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currently i'm neutral towards him. but i like the old one more. >.<

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Quote by rogeroI just wish they had let the old Lockon live cuz what was the point of him dying so they could bring in his twin brother.

Part of me hoped that Lockon didn't die, because he's my fave character, and G00 won't be the same without him. But it'll be really stupid to bring him back to life (I don't like it when they do that, if they decide to kill off a character, and give him/her epic death, they don't need to bring him/her back).


Quote by CaithyraHe makes a good addition to the cast now that Tieria has taken Neil's role as a team builder. It is already obvious that he is on Kataron's side and if the choice comes between Celestial Being and Kataron, he'll probably ditch CB.

Still, I want old Lockon back! ;_; (mainly for Tieria as he chases Dynames in the OP and hangs around Neil's grave in the ED) But that wont happen.

So while I understand Lyle's inclusion from a story-telling point of view, I still prefer Neil over him.

Yeah, Tieria and Setsuna kinda took over as team leaders, or at least took control. Neil obviously had a great impact on Tieria, it said that he rebuilt CB for his sake. Which is why he would find it hard to accept Lyle as the new Lockon. But maybe one day, Lyle might prove himself XD

As for Setsuna, he's fighting to carry on Lockon's will. So even though he's gone, he kind of still "lives" in the other Meisters.

One of the extra mangas (drawn by Yun Kouga) showed that Lockon told Setsuna about Lyle, so Setsuna went to find him, and asked Lockon's grave if it's really okay to do this. Because Lockon fought to give his brother a peaceful life, ie, he didn't want Lyle to fight. Which makes me wonder what happened to make Lyle join Kataron. The novel said he's a salaryman living a normal life at some AEU factory. It also said that Neil helped Lyle go to college, and would send him money without seeing him (d'awww....). So it makes me kind of sad that despite all that Neil tried to do to keep his little bro off the battlefield, Lyle decided to fight anyway.

I don't think Kataron are "bad", esp since Shirin's in it, and she's a good person. and Klaus wanted to help CB.

From ep 5, we see that Lyle also fights what he believes in, and hates the distortion in the world, which he sees A-LAWs as (whereas Neil saw it as terrorism). But I kind of want to see Lyle do something drastic, just to make it interesting XD

But really, I don't think Lyle is a bad person. He just started out with low points from me because he looks exactly like Lockon (get a haircut please!) and is "replacing" him as a Meister, not to mention taking his name, and being Haro's partner :(

Btw, in that scene of young Lyle/Neil crying in the opening, who do you think that was? Lyle or Neil? I would make sense to be Lyle, since the other scenes are of the Meister's pasts, but that scene reminds me of the flashbacks in season 1. And in those flashbacks, we only saw one crying boy. Was one of them not present at the bombing scene? I wonder if Lyle was away during that bombing, which is why it had more impact on Neil than on Lyle.... Also, I wonder if Neil is closer to the family than Lyle, becasue in the Christmas flashback scene, Lyle wasn't there, even though there was a plate for him...

Quote: (Okay now I want all of CB to die only to have Neil's voice say "Hey guys, I hope you changed the world while you could" or something like that as they reunite in death.)

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Setsuna: Uh... sort of?
Neil: What do you mean sort of?
Setsuna: No.
Neil: .... *sigh*
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Quote by MapleRoseBtw, in that scene of young Lyle/Neil crying in the opening, who do you think that was? Lyle or Neil? I would make sense to be Lyle, since the other scenes are of the Meister's pasts, but that scene reminds me of the flashbacks in season 1. And in those flashbacks, we only saw one crying boy. Was one of them not present at the bombing scene? I wonder if Lyle was away during that bombing, which is why it had more impact on Neil than on Lyle.... Also, I wonder if Neil is closer to the family than Lyle, because in the Christmas flashback scene, Lyle wasn't there, even though there was a plate for him...

I've been wondering about that point as well. I keep thinking it's Neil, because I remember the flashback scene from Season 1, and there was always one boy there. Maybe Lyle was away during the bombing, and therefore it does not have such a big impact on him as compared to Neil, and that's why Neil joined CB before Lyle did? Lyle joined only after the Federation was formed, and I think that the reason he joined was more to help Kataron gather information, rather than because he believes in CB's ideology.

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Even though they're identical, Lyle has a different attitude than his brother. He's more straight-forward of the situations. While Niel was an easy-going kind of guy. Different they are but they have one common habit... "Sniping the Targets!"

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i like neil better than lyle...looks like lyle hide something...see the first time he met setsuna..he said that he has no experience with gunndam at all...but then he can operate it very well without training

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I liked him good. Lyle seem worthy asset for Celestial Beings on second. Without him, no one could replace Neil/Lockon.

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What a joke. It would have been better if they didn't pick his brother... or if he was at least physically different. But well I didn't find his characterisation was well-made, first he is depicted as a play-boy and after we are to be convinced about his eternal and deep love.

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