woow, how many hours you do this? :)
Quote: whether it is created by man or discovered by man
etc
nothing is created by a man, but you can use 'rebuild' or 'recreate'
Quote: Basically this means logic is a system that allows one to come to
valid conclusions from premises. it has nothing to do with the subjectivity of individuals.
well
interesting. i think what is good and what is wrong is more based from the heart, so it must be subjective. if it is a
system then your mind or mine should be the same because you call it 'system'
Quote: I'll give you a quote from the bible
since
the Old Testament is based on Moses, the one that we must read and follow is the New Testament, it's when Jesus
comes. Moses is for Islam, Islam do this 'eye for an eye' i dont agree with that. the Old testament is just
for us to read the history
Quote: The followers are still motivated by religion regardless of their
interpretation. Because of the embrace of faith, followers reject their logical reasoning and this allows them to do
evil things. Examples again would be the Spanish inquisition, the crusades, the terrorist bombings of the twin towers
etc. Countless acts of evil have been committed in the name of 'god'.
it's their
fault not God. if i give you a beer than you are drunk millions of beer and you can just say ' i am motivated by
this person' but you are the one who do wrong. and since the followers know that killing or bombing isnt a right
thing to do but they do those, do you blame God for these, for telling the right thing to do? and not religion gives the
motivation but the devil. and the interpretations are from the devil
Quote: "Mental acceptance of and confidence in a claim as truth
without proof supporting the claim
since this is what a man write it's not perfect. many
different dictionaries can say different things bout faith. faith is from God, not from the dictionary
Quote: Scientists do not use the bible as evidence because it is not
empirical evidence, it is a book of bronze aged, illogical myths.
how do you know about it? of
course even if Bible werent true scientists would still do experiments about the pork, because it's interesting.
and if the Bible is created by people what is the use of saying things like dont eat pork if they havent known that it
causes cholesterol?
Quote: Now when you use a car, you have evidence to suggest that the car is
safe, it is improbable (given the frequency of use of cars) that the car would cause any harm though proper use. It is
NOT faith as it is belief with supporting proof.
smart. but that improbable you can call it proof
although it's small, proof that some people are safe riding the car.
Quote: so by your flawed logic we shouldn't eat them either.
but the pork is the highest. and maybe God starts with the pork so scientists can figure everything
else cholesterolic.
Quote: Extending your flawed logic a bit more, we shouldn't consume
anything that has negative side effects for us...you know what can have a negative side effect on you? salt may cause
high blood pressure (which by the way is necessary to maintain the solute concentration in your blood and for normal
nerve function) even EXCESS WATER CONSUMPTION (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication) will kill
you; you drink too much and you cause an imbalance of electrolytes.
it starts with the pork to
everything else. ha. and the pork thing i think comes from ancient law, since it's in Old Testament. in the Bible
you can find any kind of thing written like your name, etc but generally, not written all. i mean only the point.
Quote: Secondly, it doesn't matter that scientists make mistakes, the
theories are updated and corrected according to current evidence.
if a scientist make an uncorrect
conclusion and it affects to the food we eat we can die. anything is posible.
Quote: (when there is no evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt that
god exists)
for believers we already have sensed and seen and felt the 'proofs'.
Quote: -Secondly there are areas that science directly conflicts with
religion. your anecdotal evidence of prayer is not valid evidence as it is not empirical. It is also a confirmation
bias... essentially it was just luck that the people get cured.
not conflicts and i can prove this.
like the cure i said before, you can cure someone with science, and God gives you this knowledge for you to cure people.
and for the believers we can cure people by faith. the methods are different but the goal is just the same. and you cant
compare science with religion since it's not the same, like you compare number one and two. and if you rebuilt your
mind, there's nothing you can say as a 'luck' for anything happens for a reason and scientist doesnt
believe luck. and is it 1000 lucks if 1000 believers can cure people and they do this almost after prays?
Quote: I'll show you an example of the opposite. faith healing
(especially in america) has caused many deaths...here are some examples(from my previous posts...):
not the healing but it's their time. well of course since it would be so many sick people
Quote: Firstly if there is no solid proof of god's existence then it
is only rational to assume he does not exist.
what do you mean rational, if i who know God and He
always answers me after my prays, knowing God werent exist would totally confusing my whole brain. since when that what
you cant see is something that isnt exist. why people do this? because people create everything they want, like logic.
so if they cant see then something isnt exist nor not logic. that's weird. and i say that logic for me isnt the
same for you. i think God is totally logic, if God's not, i ask you, who creates us from the first time, since
there must be a starter
Quote: if he can see into the future then he already knows our
'choices' we make in life and hence our choices are predetermined. Thus if an omniscient god exists, there can
be no free will.
God is omniscient, not us. He gives us will because He wants His children to
follow Him, but must suffer first. like this life. but you can do what is called, 'suffer happily' by follow
His every words
Quote: oh and how do you even know that the god you believe in is the one
and true god? there are plenty of other religions that claim truth.
what's the best is the one
who teaches you right, not every single words you find the wrong thing. and there is only one right you can see. just
follow your heart and ask God what the path yu must choose. if you have enough faith He'll answer you. although if
you choose the wrong one you still want to do your best to serve Him and that's what God wants and He'll
'pay' this
Quote: i have already explained the principles of rationality, logic and
argument theory(well i linked you to the last one). Now you cant be both a believer(by definition embracing faith) and
logical at the same time. because FAITH ISN'T LOGICAL(see argument i made above about faith and logic).
that theory is from a man that isnt perfect. logic for me and you and anyone else are different, so
we use a standard that we can all accept. this standard is from all of us and earthly that i dont want to choose, God is
logic and God creates logic and what i think is God's logic, since i know who's the starter of creating this
world and since you havent known it yet, where's your logic for this thing?
Quote: ok first of all, you have to prove the existence of both devils and
gods.
if you had someone you know were sick and i brought my teacher there (who can cure by praying)
you'd then believe Him, would you? o. 0 i cant prove it if you still dont want to hear any reasons start from the
first time we did this. because the only one that controls you is you. and the one that can change you is only you.
you'll search hundreds unanswered questions and i would have to explain it again and again and again (like i did
months and months ago till now, same questions different people and even the same person asking it again).
Quote: secondly yes the bible does advocate some pretty damn evil things
(see above quote).
this one i did answer
Quote: can have religious motives in committing acts of
evil.
that's what i want to hear. they do that although it's not the religion fault. the
motives are from the devil, because the thoughts of evil things are from the devil
Quote: and in case of islam, here is a quote that i find rather evil
".And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out....Such is the reward
of those who suppress faith." (Koran 2:191)" so far I have provided examples of advocation of murder in both
the bible and the koran.
so far i havent believed in Islam. and who in the Bible wrote' murder people'?
Quote: and in regards to morals, i do not and never will take my morals
from a fictional deity.
this is what i call weird because what we cant see is something isnt exist.
particles are exist but you cant see. and you cant see your mind but you can sense. you can feel your heart but if you
feel sad or happy what's the different you can see inside your heart?
Quote: But even so i do not like to steal, i would prefer not to lie, and i
don't relish the thought of killing at all. I think it is so much more sad that one only acts good to appease a
higher power rather than acting good because you genuinely desire to help people.....
do not take revenge, do not keep stupid things in your mind, do not ever think anything bad for
others. and so on. ^^ and for the last sentence, it's totally right, the true believer is the one who wants to
serve God not because he wants the present behind it. and both choices you say are what i mean with 'stupid
things'=something bad
Quote: Are you denying that the catholic church is against contraception
and homosexuality? In fact, homosexuality is condemned in the bible: Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as
one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on
their own heads. "
i dont beleive catholic but christianity since catholic at that time used a
Letter Of (i forgot the name) to make one who repentances to God must pay for it in high price. and Christianity against
homosexuality, because God creates us to love the opposite sex, out of this thing isnt right because comes from the
devil
Quote: list me the examples of scientific theory that is not backed by
evidence.
it's my theory. they make a conclusion first then they make experiments then they
can prove it and give it to the world. is that right
Quote: I do not doubt the sincerity of your belief in god, i just think you
are hallucinating god.
i didnt say that you thought i doubted God because it's obvious that im
not, but i want to explain those not for you only but for all and i want to talk and explain about it. and since He
answers my prays always and cure people (by someone's hand because God cant appear in front of us and do the cure
because He has a reason for it, and He lets people He chooses do curing and this is how He works with us, He does things
to us in earthly way to make it easy, in something we can accept) i do not think im hallucinating, you're just
blind because many many people have already found God.
