Now give me 4 hours while I stab all your posts from the last one I made. Because you needleheads aren't quoting
replies so I don't know who is talking to who.
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let's clarify some more people, the lack of belief in a God is Agnostic, where you lack a belief but you don't
deny belief. Atheism is the belief in no god/s. Now here is the key word in everything, belief, an opinion, a thought,
what you or someone you agree with thinks. It is not concrete proof.
Let's take an example, you are in a room with another person, and the only object of interest is a pen in the
middle of the room, the pen is red. The other person is color blind, the pen to that person is green. (I'm not
arguing on what color the pen would be to someone actually color blind, moving on!). Now what proof is there that the
pen is either color? To me that is belief, you believe it's red but have no proof, to prove it is red to the person
who says it's green.
Atheism is not a belief in anything though, it's a complete lack of belief. There is -none-, you can't make
something out of nothing. It started out as people saying God does not exist and the next person saying 'that guy
believes in no God'. Because of that one word, people have the misconception that being atheists means you
-believe- in no God. They are on 2 entirely different degrees. It is because of the words people spread around that
causes these misunderstandings and because it's gotten so out of hand.. there are actually arguments formed around
it.
'The term agnostic refers to it being impossible to know a God exists, the term Atheist refers to the disbelief of
an existence of God'
It is extremely simple to make these 2 words overlap and conflict each other.. or even bend one around and make it them
the same.
All this time I've been talking about degrees and if no one understood why.. then here's an example.
There are different types of Atheists.. Those that are 'Strong' and those that are 'Weak', like any
society of people. A strong Atheist would deny any existence of a God whereas a
weak Atheist would just not have enough evidence to tell you one exists.. but if you give it to him.. he will believe
it.
Given evidence of the existence of a God, Atheists will change. I've read Dawkins books and I'm pretty sure he
said the same thing, that if any evidence is given to him about God existing in this world, that he would change.
It's not so much that God's existence is a void in the universe but more so that the possibility of a God
existing is extremely low to a point where God isn't really there.
That's all it really balls down to. What more is there to say? Discussing such a thing further will have you
running in circles.
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Atheist can not prove anymore than a person that believes in a religion that whatever the religion says exists.
It's he said she said, taken too far in my opinion.
Blame the hardasses and extremists.
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some interesting things for you saying Atheists don't plan their day around it, or don't have little cult
meetings like a religion would...
...think what galls me the most is the whining done by either side about their rights being violated in some way, from
having to say "Merry Christmas." to someone who refuses to taxi a dog because it violates some belief.
People can plan their day around anything they want, it's their life and doesn't have anything to do with
Atheism at all. Atheists do have cult meetings because they are no different than any other group of people. Christians,
Taoists, Muslims, Shintoists, Jews.. and even plain guys from Montana. Everyone has cult meetings but nothing should be
based on them for obvious reasons.
I agree that the whining done by all these people would annoy the general public because you get the idea that if
you're part of <this group> of people.. you receive some kind of special treatment others do not get simply
because of what you are or what you believe. But touching on that isn't part of the OP at all so I'll skip
it.
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Yet, at the same time, it's a fine example of what Distortion touched upon. Have we become so odious to where we
have to take factions of our lives to an extreme and fight back against something else because we feel that it somehow
inflicts harm against our personal beliefs? Do we have to become so varied in terms of what we offer, because we fear
law suits or zealot attackings?
Obviously so, since there are always people who get insulted over tiny issues. Take for example molesting, the female
society come down hard on any man who has done wrong to a woman, whether it be conflicting views on a certain topic or
something other than that. If you're on a bus and you fall asleep.. your hand just happens to fall on some
woman's lap.. some of them would actually call the police and have you arrested for feeling her thigh.
But for what purpose? Money.
This is no different in that regard but the outcome and purpose. To answer your question, society has become
oversensitive and just can't take things that don't agree with them. You make do with what you have in the
society today but unfortunately the society today has become so 'palmsworthy' that you make do with what you
have in yourself from your point of view.
Quote by CyanideBlizzardSo, if this was the case, then overall speaking
shouldn't we simply denounce religion itself? Or would that simply result in a shift to a different problem and
just continue the cycle that has gone on for thousands of years?
You do not simply -denounce- religion itself because you can't, you simply become a free-thinker whereas you do not
mold yourself according to how religious you want to be.. or how religious you are or should be. You do what you do
because it is how you want it be to according to your perspective on what it is, not because dogma tells you to do
it.
Quote by angelxxuanif you
believe in a person does that mean you are an atheist still?
You misunderstand that Atheism has nothing to do with people other than them believing a God does not exist.
Quote by angelxxuanI would
like to point out that I am not atheist and I do know about the religion/faith/whatever you prefer to call it, it's
just I have always been curious why people wish to deny it as a religion.
Because the word religion in the world today revolves around having a God. When you answer a person's question on
what Religion you 'belong to' and he is unfamiliar with it.. the most common question will be about which God
you believe in.. which is something Atheism lacks that makes you Atheist.
This is entirely a society thing.
TL;DR
Atheism is not really a religion but it does share many concepts and views as a religion. The question in an
'ultimate reality' is that we all have a God who loves us very much and would toss us in the burning fires of
hell if we read Playboy magazine.
Atheism claims that there is no supreme being or God and the only ultimate reality is material and matter. This is final
and there is no argument against it.
You are right to say it relies on belief. Beliefs that cannot be proven scientifically just like every other religion..
but Atheists are in a position that does not have an answer on whether or not a
God exists which ultimately ends up being factual sentences and statements which do not have faith jumbled up in
it.
