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Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) are bills that was introduced a few months back, but it wasn't until
today the world took notice as many of the websites you visit everyday opposes these two bills.
The idea behind is to fight copyright infringement and if it passes, the internet will forever be broken.

What is SOPA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16612628
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203735304577167261853938938.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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  • Jan 18, 2012

fireflywishes

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I really think that in order for SOPA and PIPA to be defeated, the Internet companies need to do more lobbying (like big entertainment) in order to earn more money (to fight this and future legislation) as well as help spread the word to current college students/young people. Many of them can't remember a time without the Internet...I was so surprised by how many of my siblings' friends' walls had "what's wrong with Wikipedia today?" as their status messages.

Food for thought: http://gizmodo.com/5877237/sopa-and-pipa-are-the-internets-own-damn-fault

http://www.politicspa.com/breaking-holden-withdraws-sopa-support/30899/

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^Absolutely agree with you, Firefly

As for why I want SOPA to die...well, for one, I don't believe it'll really stop piracy. People who want to do something can get pretty creative, and when you make pirating more difficult a bunch of them will probably just rise to the challenge. Kind of like prohibition didn't actually stop the sale of alcohol, I doubt SOPA will make pirating stop either. Not that people shouldn't try to stop pirating, but there are better ways to do it than giving the government control over something as huge as the internet. While the gov wouldn't say that it intends to censor sites that it doesn't like, we can look and see in certain nations that government interference in the web doesn't work out too great in terms of freedom of expression-making it a bit hypocritical for the US government to push SOPA if you ask me. I, for one, want to keep my constitutional rights. (sorry for the ramblings, lol)

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Me no gusta SOPA!
It's early and I'm not in the right mind for proper legislative talk, but lol does anyone know a reliable, non-Wikipedia page where I can read the bill? ^^; I wanna see how vague is vague~ I hear word that it's backed by the entertainment industry, in an effort to control the internet. :x I kinda would like to see the thing itself before banking on the rumours...

Still, me no likee a bill that wants to crash on everybody's party the Internet, with far too much freedom. :/ It can literally kill every popular networking site out there with rules like this, if I'm hearing it right.
Though, the fact that it's an American bill and it wants control over 'evewything in the world' is a tiny bit laughable, and not all that unexpected....

EDIT: Can't help but wonder if the situation will become like this....

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Suddenly darknets aren't just for Chinese dissidents and pedophiles anymore.

What SnickerdoodleNinja is right, it won't stop piracy in any way it'll just make the Internet as a whole more awkward to navigate for those less technically apt.

I think it's clear that the majority of U.S. citizens are against this - it would be nice if democracy were hold out and this thing got scrapped.

Anyway don't despair, no one can really censor the internet; this poster isn't as stupid as it sounds.
http://9gag.com/gag/1936848

Oh an sorry about the poll, I saw "kitties" and...well ^_^;

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Quote by aozoraskiesEDIT: Can't help but wonder if the situation will become like this....


LOL It's just a flesh wound!

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  • Jan 19, 2012

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Lol, Monty Python...
Anyways, here's the SOPA bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:

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I have no doubts the intention behind SOP and PIPA is the best possible, but apparently, it hasn't been thought over properly.
Actually, though, I heard it has been taken down. :D

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It's just that our "good" ole congressmen were fed one side of the story from the Media lobby that it didn't occur to the old ignorant jerks that the other side had a legitimate beef with it(not that they lost from it since they now have to huge lobbies giving them money for votes).

As for SOPA and PIPA, both are terrible at what they do. Anyone with any knowledge of the DNS system would know how to bypass the filter. All I'm hoping for is that the American public educate themselves for round 2 when SOPA comes back in a different form(presumably after PIPA gets shot down).

edit: Oh, look at that megaupload got nuked.

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@Dread: I was wondering about that... muahahaha. As much as I dislike Anonymous for other hacking jobs they've done, this one I'm feeling kind of gleeful about. ^_^;; Did they really shut down the FBI's website?

Also here's a current chart showing the Congresspeople in support/opposed to SOPA: http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/

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SOPA and PIPA need to be stopped! Corporations are using these bills to try and control the internet they are in NO WAY going to help us!

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  • Jan 20, 2012
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I got this e-mail :
Today was nuts, right?

Google launched a petition. Wikipedia voted(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action) to shut itself off. Senators' websites went down(http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57361322-281/protect-ip-sopa-protests-knock-senate-web-sites-offline/) just from the sheer surge of voters trying to write them. NYC and SF geeks had protests that packed city blocks.(http://www.meetup.com/ny-tech/photos/5468462/86964712/)

You made history today: nothing like this has ever happened before. Tech companies and users teamed up. Tens of millions of people who make the internet what it is joined together to defend their freedoms. The free network defended itself. Whatever you call it, the bottom line is clear: from today forward, it will be much harder to mess up the internet.

The really crazy part? We might even win.

Approaching Monday's crucial Senate vote there are now 35 Senators publicly opposing PIPA. Last week there were 5. And it just takes just 41 solid "no" votes to permanently stall PIPA (and SOPA) in the Senate. What seemed like miles away a few weeks ago is now within reach.

But don't trust predictions. The forces behind SOPA & PIPA (mostly movie companies) can make small changes to these bills until they know they have the votes to pass. Members of Congress know SOPA & PIPA are unpopular, but they don't understand why--so they're easily duped by superficial changes. The Senate returns next week, and the next few days are critical. Here are two things to think about:

1. Plan on calling your Senator every day next week. Pick up the phone each morning and call your Senators' offices, until they vote "no" on cloture. If your site participated today, consider running a "Call the Senate" link all next week.

2. Tomorrow, drop in at your Senators' district offices. We don't have a cool map widget to show you the offices nearest you (we're too exhausted! any takers?). So do it the old fashioned way: use Google, or the phonebook to find the address, and just walk in, say you oppose PIPA, and urge the Senator to vote "no" on cloture. These drop-in visits make our spectacular online protests more tangible and credible.

That's it for now. Be proud and stay on it!

--Holmes, Tiffiniy, and the whole Fight for the Future team.

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P.S. Huge credit goes to participants in the 11/16 American Censorship Day protest: Mozilla, 4chan, BoingBoing, Tumblr, TGWTG, and thousands of others. That's what got this ball rolling! Reddit, both the community and the team behind it, you're amazing. And of course, thanks to the Wikimedians whose patient and inexorable pursuit of the right answer brought them to take world-changing action. Thanks to David S, David K, Cory D, and E Stark for bold action at critical times.

P.P.S. If you haven't already, show this video to as many people as you can. It works! http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/

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  • Jan 20, 2012

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Quote by tsuyutsukiI have no doubts the intention behind SOP and PIPA is the best possible

I don't mean to pick on you or anything I just see the potential for discussion. Most will agree that it's easier to download a torrent than to go outside, or even to an online shop like Amazon and buy a dvd.

Does piracy need to be stopped?

How would you go about doing it?

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Anonymous retaliated and took down DoJ
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  • Jan 21, 2012

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We are all scre~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ewed! With "SOPA & PIPA" int he States, and "Sinde" in Spain, our daily happiness will root into daily boredom.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/4/2681818/spain-approves-sinde-law-anti-piracy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16391727

http://dottech.org/tipsntricks/keeping-them-honest/26287/sinde-law-is-spains-sopa/

As we will say in Spain, "¡ZAS! en toda la boca"

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Quote by tiki223Anonymous retaliated and took down DoJ
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They also tricked innocent people into joining the attack by linking to webpages containing malicious Javascript.
https://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/012012-anonymous-dupes-users-into-joining-255143.html

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Hi everyone!

A big hurrah to you! We’ve won for now -- SOPA and PIPA were dropped by Congress today -- the votes we’ve been scrambling to mobilize against have been cancelled.

The largest online protest in history has fundamentally changed the game. You were heard.

On January 18th, 13 million of us took the time to tell Congress to protect free speech rights on the internet. Hundreds of millions, maybe a billion, people all around the world saw what we did on Wednesday. http://www.sopastrike.com/numbers

The MPAA (the lobby for big movie studios which created these terrible bills) was shocked and seemingly humbled. “‘This was a whole new different game all of a sudden,’ MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times. ‘[PIPA and SOPA were] considered by many to be a slam dunk.’” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/technology/dodd-calls-for-hollywood-and-silicon-valley-to-meet.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=dodd%20arab%20spring&st=cse

“'This is altogether a new effect,' Mr. Dodd said, comparing the online movement to the Arab Spring. He could not remember seeing 'an effort that was moving with this degree of support change this dramatically' in the last four decades, he added."

Tweet with us, shout on the internet with us, let's celebrate: Round of applause to the 13 million people who stood up - #PIPA and #SOPA are tabled 4 now. #13millionapplause

P.S. China's internet censorship system reminds us why the fight for democratic principles is so important:

In the New Yorker(http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2012/01/the-chinese-view-of-sopa.html#ixzz1k0b0YPtq): "Fittingly, perhaps, the discussion has unfolded on Weibo, the Twitter-like micro-blogging site that has a team of censors on staff to trim posts with sensitive political content. That is the arrangement that opponents of the bill have suggested would be required of American sites if they are compelled to police their users’ content for copyright violations. On Weibo, joking about SOPA’s similarities to Chinese censorship was sensitive enough that some posts on the subject were almost certainly deleted (though it can be hard to know).
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After Chinese Web users got over the strangeness of hearing Americans debate the merits of screening the Web for objectionable content, they marvelled at the American response. Commentator Liu Qingyan wrote:

‘We should learn something from the way these American Internet companies protested against SOPA and PIPA. A free and democratic society depends on every one of us caring about politics and fighting for our rights. We will not achieve it by avoiding talk about politics.’"

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  • Jan 21, 2012

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Don't pat yourselves in the back apparently they are making a new bill. They are naming it "The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" to try and make it seem like if you oppose it you are for child porn, but really it is to track everything you ever do online.

It has a section in it that states in overly broad terms "the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned."

Ding ding. Round two.

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And as usually seen in anime/manga round 2 levels up! ..That's too much! That's no longer freedom. 24/7 surveillance . I wont be surprised if they empty your bank account and block your credit cards. They really don know when to give up/don know to lose.

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  • Jan 21, 2012

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I predict Orwell's '1984' coming true if we allow them to keep trampling all over us for their own profit and greed. We already have cameras on every corner and the list of our rights is getting shorter and shorter every day until, I'm afraid, the only right we'll have left will be to remain silent. It's like they're systematically and purposefully trying to shut us down and make us into obedient, brainless and lifeless little slaves for them.

Round 2, huh? ...Bring it on.

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Quote by DreadwaveIt has a section in it that states in overly broad terms "the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned."

ISP's basically already do that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention

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Power corrupts! History proved time and time again.
Its sad..to see such pitiful power mongrels that think they are Gods and expect the world to bow.
But even Gods fall! And now its their turn. I hope the world is not that stupid to let them do as they please.

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  • Jan 21, 2012
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Quote by alenasI predict Orwell's '1984' coming true if we allow them to keep trampling all over us for their own profit and greed. We already have cameras on every corner and the list of our rights is getting shorter and shorter every day until, I'm afraid, the only right we'll have left will be to remain silent. It's like they're systematically and purposefully trying to shut us down and make us into obedient, brainless and lifeless little slaves for them.

Round 2, huh? ...Bring it on.

Agreed.
I did a presentation on this topic and people were open about this issue.

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This BS is apparently spreading like wildfire all over the world. My own country is getting ready to sign ACTA. I heard that Polish people organised protests I also saw votes from the European parliament. Politicians from my country who supported ACTA are the ones that most of my countrymen hate, they are absolutely incompetent and most likely don't even know how to use internet, it appears that the politicians of my country, once again, act like sheep.
If ACTA gets passed I will simply say goodbye to the internet, I mean, what will I be able to do? Sites like YouTube won't survive, MiniTokyo will most likely go down too, no torrents, no funny motivation pictures, there are odds that even fan works will be punished for copyright infringement. I can't imagine my studies without wikipedia and multiple ebooks.
What will we have left? News, skype and anything that most of us can't afford? That's it? Do they expect that people will start buying music, movies, etc. legally? I highly doubt it.

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