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Quote by UsagixKitsuneTruth itself is defined by what the majority of a
group of people agree upon. .. The same thing goes for the concept of "good" and
"bad".
No, the truth is not defined by people. Opinions are defined by people and facts may be distorted, but the underlying
truth cannot be changed. Only hidden or smudged. Also, just because a majority of people come to a consensus, this does
not mean it is the correct or right way.
Quote by UsagixKitsuneThe
thing is you will always find someone with slightly different beliefs to you and ten more with beliefs that are
contradictory or incompatible with yours.
Highly doubt that it is a 10:1 ratio of people with incompatible views to your own. If we look at what each other
believes and thinks, then we might see that more people have things in common than is perceived.
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You can find a group of people with similar ideas and try to enforce your ideas on others while keeping within the scope
of the law. But then you would be back to where we are now, the very thing you're complaining
about.
Yes, you can find groups of people with similar or even the same ideas/beliefs as yourself; however, enforcing your
ideas on them is not the best approach. Suggesting and talking about different views/approaches can help breed
understanding.
Once again, you part ways with reason and become one with ignorance.
'International truths' or subjective/questionable norm is defined by people - if
you can't understand this then you have not lived long enough or have not had much experiences in Life to account
for it. This 'Truth' you believe in will always be smudged out and the fact that it is - is the fact that the
society defines your truths for you.
Once again:
Context - failing to understand this is a result of ignorance.
Perception itself consists of incompatible views and are most of the time: a by-product of
it. The lack of recognition for a simple concept such as this is horrifying and a further demonstration of being
unlearned in the basic lessons Life offers any individual.
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Quote by UsagixKitsuneWho
decides which colour is red and which colour is blue? Is stealing "bad"? Is it still bad if you will starve to
death otherwise? What about a coin on the pavement, is that stealing too? If there is only one true answer to all these
questions then who decides that answer?
Decision of color is a universally accepted thing - no one needs to decide on something
that's already been decided and set in stone. Stealing for the sake of living and stealing for the sake of stealing
are based more on morality than anything but the final verdict is decided based on the government as far as people are
concerned with the Law.
The decision of right or wrong is based on fear and on the security system that humans put
in place to govern other humans. Those who feel no fear for the consequences are deemed psychotic by the public, but
only the knowledgeable knows what makes a person psychotic - adhering themselves from the 'blind labels' and
delving further into reasoning surrounded by facts or Facts of Life.
Result: Whoever can prove with evidence, decides the answer - but is subject to bias of the
current government. Everyone else can walk away and attempt to think they are 'better people' for not
'arguing' - but it doesn't make them any less disappointing than they truly are.
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This highly depends on the culture you come from: the more conservative it is, the more restrictive it is regarding
breaking unspoken rules ("divorcing is a sin", "a woman is supposed to stay home and raise kids"
etc.). How women are viewed also matters.
Your friend is lucky to have the support of family and friends. More often than not, I've seen women stay into
loveless/abusive marriages because the family wouldn't let them break up for fear of public shaming; needless to
say, they were unhappy. But if your friend is backed up by the ones close to her, she should go ahead and do what she
thinks is best. Judging by what you said, her husband probably emotionally manipulated her into not getting a divorce by
making promises he can't keep. I've seen this too.
Cirru's mom is a good example here: she knew that she'd be miserable and even though life was hard on her, she
kept going. I'd hazard a guess that staying with her ex-husband would've probably made both her and Cirru more
unhappy than they turned out to be.
Gossiping in smaller communities mostly exists as a way for the gossiper to make themselves look better by degrading
someone else (see girls talking about another girl's "ugly" clothes or makeup). If you're
emotionally unstable or have low self esteem you may be greatly affected by peer pressure and either hide what
you're doing for fear of being "shamed", or force yourself to adjust to a lifestyle that you are firmly
against.
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Homosexuality results in fewer babies. This means fewer soldiers, fewer doctors, fewer engineers which can cause
problems for the future well-being of a nation's defence and economy. Dependency on other counties for human
resources makes things harder for the natural citizens of the dependant country.
Obesity can be viewed as an individual's lifestyle choice which burdens those around them. They have increased
health issues which means unnecessary time and money is wasted within the healthcare system on their account.
Female divorcees can be seen as disloyal and ungrateful. They find a man who takes them in, shares his house and money
with them and then they say KTHXBAI.
I think the most common reason for bullying homosexuals is the
fact that pop culture makes them all out to be overly flamboyant/feminine - because, naturally, being anything other
than a grunting bodybuilder automatically means you lack your Y chromosome. And since they're perceived as
different/deviant from the norm (hetero)...well, you can see the result. Kids don't rationalize as far as
babymaking goes.
Obese people may be seen as weak: no self control, not capable of defending themselves physically (no muscle mass).
To be harsh, what can a stranger say about a a divorced woman if they don't know her situation: "she probably
wasn't good enough (sexually? housekeeping? mom?) and he left her" or "she probably ran off with someone
else". Those are the two most common speculations I've heard and neither was true in their particular cases.
Quote by UsagixKitsuneThat's because you are using your own personal
view on what is "right". What makes your views more valid than anyone else's?
He was
talking about opinions. You can't say an opinion is "right" or "wrong", since it's just an
opinion. A fact may be right or wrong. Example:
Opinion: The new MT layout is awesome. (someone can agree with me, another can say I'm wrong)
Fact: The new MT layout uses red, green and black for its color scheme. (you can argue that a person with an ocular
deficiency - can't find the term for it now - may not see the red, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still there)
Quote by kuchukuTulipHow
long will people keep talking? One day, One week, One year. They cant go on about it forever.
Until they get a new topic to talk about. Simple.
My question is: why are you and your friend so concerned about people gossiping? If anything, you should be
"thankful" people are gossiping because it gives you a clear indication of whom you need to avoid. If these
people say rude and mean things about strangers you'd better be sure they also say those about close
"friends". I don't see how gossiping can change your life drastically, apart from being avoided by people
you'd want to avoid in the first place; it's not like they'll refuse to sell you groceries or break into
your house.
Sorry but I can't agree with any of this.
If you need support from friends to make your own decisions then you're not allowed to
reap the best possible outcome - it's a giveaway that you're bad with decisions and should be suffering in
order to learn. People try too hard to bank on their emotions and feelings ( i.e. Pity)
in order to validate how sad their state is - when this is hardly the case.
If you get suckered, that's your problem - because you are then required to learn from it by going through the
hardships.
I'm not really gonna comment on another persons parent's situation since it
doesn't interest me and because people find everything to complain about these days - but instead I'm gonna
skew your example:
Have you ever thought that maybe someone's parent deserved to be treated that way? To suffer through that and not
receive help? Knowing that now.. BECAUSE they screwed up, they suffer for it?
An answer would be appreciated here since I have a hard time understanding how something
can be seen so one-sidedly. Many people deserve to suffer and many more deserve to die for their bad decisions.
Quote: Allowing multiple diseased poultry to breed only gives more room for
bad genes to spread it's plague. We kill them to prevent it from becoming a
pandemic.
People don't gossip to 'look better' - would you believe some do it just to
have things to talk about? The outcome doesn't count since outcomes in groups of people is debatable based on the
type of people. You can't shove all of this under 1 umbrella and make it a general statement to prove a point with.
You are basically describing adaptability of humans based on their cognitive functions, but the example and wording is
entirely wrong. People will do anything they can to be accepted, it's why people choose their routines and a
re-route to why I believed some of them need to suffer for it.
I don't know why you bring the word 'fact' into a statement that can retain
the word 'opinion'.
FACTS are NEVER wrong because they are established.
There are no pseudo-facts or 'would-be' facts or 'viewed-as-opinion' facts.
The example is a poor illustration as well mainly because you are confusing a description
with an opinion then trying to prove that you are talking in the same context when you aren't.
You are ultimately wrong.
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Quote by pandemonium91*insert Game of Thrones image here again*
Quote by UsagixKitsuneI
was presuming that the cultural context here was that of a community where woman have little or no education and are
either a burden to their father or a burden to their husband, which would explain why deserting one's husband would
be considered so repugnant. In western countries we don't have this problem because women can go to the same
schools as men and do the same jobs as men or otherwise be on equal footing with their husband.
You'd be surprised. Romania's by no means a country where women don't have access to education, yet even
in an urban setting a woman can be "shamed" for wanting to exit a serious relationship, depending on her
social circle (though it's more common in the rural parts). Though this is anecdotal evidence.
Quote by UsagixKitsuneI
think you mean that it doesn't change the fact that more people can see this colour than can't. The existence
of the colour is defined by what the majority of people can perceive. If only one person could see the colour red would
be believe him? Or would we throw him in a mental asylum?
We can also define the existence of the
color by its hex code. So if someone said they could see red and others couldn't nowadays, I'm willing to bet
that one of his eyes would be extracted and studied to mark the next step in human evolution, lol. Or end up with a very
strong drug prescription, depending on which would be cheaper. We already know there are animals that can see a much
wider spectrum of colors than humans can (see bees and butterflies), yet that
doesn't mean those colors don't exist; we just aren't physically capable of registering them.
Quote by UsagixKitsuneI'm young but that's been my experience
with gossipers too. The weird thing is they always seem to be surrounded by friends anyway. So much for karma.
Indeed. The ones I've been around (former classmates) seem to gravitate around gossipers to
feel included - it's their little social circle, after all - and, to a less conscious extent, to ensure
they're not the ones that are gossiped about.
Quote by UsagixKitsuneOur
lives can be greatly effected by what people think of us. Whether someone will give you a job, or lend you money, or
help you when you're in trouble is determined by what people think of you. What they think of you is based on your
appearance, your actions and what other people say about you. How many hoops you should jump though to get
someone's approval is another question.
Of course they are, I'm not denying that. But if
we're considering work, I doubt anyone fair would deny someone employment based solely on their moral views on
marriage and divorce. The favors and treatment you get from others doesn't depend solely on you, it also depends on
the people you choose to surround yourself with (which mostly depends on you as well, but whatever). The gossipy woman
next door that you bump to 3 times in one month shouldn't have further influence on you than being your neighbor,
and if she's not someone you can call a "friend" her opinion on your private business should not matter
as much to you.
Less pretentious version: if you ain't my friend, what I do ain't your business. It also ain't your place
to meddle in it.
Hexcoding was formed after the color was recognized, hence it's a by-product of the
mentioned 'perceived color'.
That was the context. I wouldn't comment too much on the capabilities of humans due to the fact we don't use a
good majority of our brains as it is yet we have a wide-gap in intellectual capacity, we might be capable but our brain
is not willing or not 'in-use' in the department required for it.
Gossiping is mostly used as a means for conversation or for one to start and is not all
negative.
The reception you get depends on how much ass-kissing you do, that's all it is. It
does depend solely on you because only you can turn into that person and only you can sink that low if you weren't
already born low. Pleasing people has become easy enough to be black and white, at the same time congregating into
different social groups has become simple and straightforward.
In reply to TT: People don't do the things you ask about due to lack of self-identity
and lack of ability to cope.
I'd elaborate but this post is long enough.
