Quote by UberDogMan is on an
eternal quest to place structure in a ever continuing Universe of entropy. Happiness is as you say just one of the
myriad of "coping mechanisms" that we use to make our existence and meaning seem logical and have purpose.
Quite simply no one can know what is going to happen next so just deal with it. Peace and Happiness be upon your
So you're saying happiness is a purpose because it, like any other purpose we can think of, is simply a way to cope with
I do agree that in this case it really is of value - in the sense that nothing is of value or nothing has 'inherent/pre
existing' meaning or purpose anyway.
But then, and I'm going off topic here but I think this is necessary-
I don't see why would you like to think of life in that sense, that purpose and meaning is something present already, a
given, to which you can then react to. In other words, why would you assume that 'things can happen any which way' and
we can only 'try' to make it work for us, i.e. board a ship if it lands on your
shore but whether it would or not who knows.
Instead why not create purpose and meaning, as simply as- let there be meaning and lo there it was- perhaps these terms
'purpose and meaning' do not even exist outside our minds, a feature unique to life.
Then it becomes your 'choice/will' to do or not do. A boat may or may not arrive your shore, but you are free to build a
boat and set sail. You no longer have to be uncertain about meaning and purpose as you're capable of creating it, not
relying on favorable circumstance. Or, as master yoda put it:
Do or Do not. There is no try
Now, in this approach, you no longer need to cope with meaninglessness and purposelessness.
Assuming you would subscribe to this more active approach, would you say that happiness is something worth striving for,
or is achieving happiness a purpose worth assigning to your life?
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Quote by ValunaYou need those
'coping mechanisms' so that your meaning of life and existance isn't lost... reasons that drive your life to make you
take out it's last breath are your coping mechanisms.
We all have positive experience and negative ones, but life does not exist out of simply one of them. What makes us move
forward is the positivity (negativity too, if you manage to twist it positively).
I agree, good feeling (or happiness or positivity) and negative feeling (or sadness or negativity) are passive
biological reactions to positive and negative experiences, experiences of things going or not going the way you wanted
Quote by Val
One becomes greedy to give themselves a good feeling. So in other words, we all need to be a bit of a narcisist to live
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Do we really 'need' to get 'good feeling' (or happiness or positivity)? This
feeling is just a human idiosyncrasy like anger pain and laziness, it's a good biological input, not too different than
eyesight or hearing, but should you make it the goal of your life? I strongly disagree. But then you may say what other
purpose- and if you check my reply to uber, I feel simply wanting to do something is a purpose worthy enough, you simply
create purpose. So I see the next paragraph the opposite way-
Quote by Val
'I want to do that', 'I want to become this', 'I want to have this' are all goals that motivate us to look forward to
the future and to work towards achieving them. Achieving something, discovering, creating and even helping all have an
immense amount of positive feelings. Even the slightest bit, will make you want to do it again, to go even further. This
way, one can life a quite satisfying life in doing so.
Does it make us happy? Most likely, yes. I say so because when you reach one goal after another and find new ones, you
make yourself feel good about yourself and the world around you. It's good to be selfish to some degree because of this.
You need to grant yourself the rights to be a greedy human and live your life the way you want it to be.
being greedy (or more precisely, demanding/willing) isn't given validity by whether or not it makes
us happy (and consequently cope with purposelessness). Rather, it's moving from goal to goal, wanting different things,
which is a worthy purpose in itself. And ability or inability to do so causes happiness or sadness as me biological
inputs to your brain.
So yeah, like I replied to Uber, if you do subscribe to the thought that meaning cannot be assigned, I agree that
happiness can be considered necessary, a worthy purpose to strive for. But I don't like they outlook, maybe we can
discuss on that in a different thread.
Quote by Val...How to be happy is
way easier to tell than what actually drives us. Well, in short. You must be one hell of a masochist if you like a life
full of suffering. We don't like to be hurt, to feel bad and all so we seek what makes us feel good instead. Happiness
is simply part of that good.
this I agree with even using my outlook. Happiness and sadness are very
straightforward indicators of whether what I want to do is happening or not, so that I can act on this feedback and do
the thing in doing more or do it less. Though when you say we 'seek' to be good, I look at it in the way that 'we seek
places where the metal detector beeps more, But really it's not the beeps that we're seeking, it's the treasure the
beeping indicates that we're seeking. But the beeping might always lead you to the treasure'.